It all comes down to this!

MrDownhillRacer · 2019-10-24T18:36:38+00:00

This whole "be aloof and pretend not to be interested in them" only works if you're attractive enough in the first place that they will notice and care that you are not into them. So many sets where I've directed my attention primarily to the girls I'm less interested in, and the one I actually was interested in didn't give a rat's ass or even just walked away.

It's less about pretending not to be interested or even to dislike them, and more about not being so overwhelmingly interested that it's off-putting, desperate, and creepy. Women aren't idiots. If you go out of your way to chat to her, she'll know you did it because you're attracted to her. If you go out of your way to talk to her just to pretend not to be interested, she'll know you're just trying hard to play cool, because otherwise, why did you even start talking to her?

Showing interest is fine. You might say it "gives away power," but is desperately worrying about how powerful one comes across something that secure, powerful people actually do? No; powerful people don't worry about letting other people feel powerful every now and then.

JordanllRay · 2019-10-24T18:01:42+00:00

This feels very wrong.

Since when did two people getting along and beginning to develop feelings for each other become this game of cat and mouse between two people. Will that really create a healthy relationship long term if this is what it is established on? Someone ‘playing’ the other?

XxPgMkIlLeR123xX · 2019-10-24T19:14:33+00:00

It’s called "keys to power", not "keys to a healthy relationship"

cjkoote · 2019-10-24T18:43:42+00:00

Should I buy 48 laws of power?

DAOcomment2 · 2019-10-24T23:57:41+00:00

Push-pull works best. It's not all push. Pushing is easy. Pulling is easy. Striking that perfect balance between push-pull is hard. That's the art.

Push-pull kids. Behind that, actually be a valuable man and display it. Your unavailability isn't inherently attractive on its own, it's attractive when you have value and she thinks she could have it, but she's not quite sure. Get your mental/emotional health sorted, get fit, handle your money, accomplish shit, have friends, have a life, then push-pull works best. Then your interest is matters. Then your disinterest matters.

The first mistake young dudes make is being too thirsty. So the idea of disinterest being attractive is a revelation. But that's still a beginner stage of game, and an immature and ineffective paradigm for seduction. It doesn't all come down to this. It's a powerful move but one small piece of the game.

TCtrain · 2019-10-25T01:58:34+00:00

Yea this seems fucking stupid

Cacho_Later · 2019-10-24T16:18:54+00:00

Which rule of 48 laws of power is this?

DaxMan12 · 2019-10-24T19:44:50+00:00

Next time I’m at a bar and I see a girl I want to talk to I’ll just turn back my back and say nothing. How could she possibly resist?? lol.

Not only will this rarely ever work, it’s also a dishonest way to live. If you want to talk and get to know someone just own it and do so!

pto1155 · 2019-10-24T17:17:57+00:00

LOL I remember reading this phrase. From experience, it works, but this is an old method, don't use this because your significant other will get mad

beyoncais · 2019-10-24T18:33:38+00:00

Contempt can be easily sniffed out on other people and in turn, makes them even more unapproachable. No one likes a contemptuous person. This is such terrible advice.

Edit: Also, you do not have to manipulate people to get them to like you.

SouthernOhioRedsFan · 2019-10-24T20:56:48+00:00

Got it! Ignoring all women from now on. #MGTOWGame Should be drowning in pussy soon. Later, virgins!

Lord_Goose · 2019-10-25T00:15:29+00:00

Not a fan of this mindset. There are other ways.

SuperDamian · 2019-10-24T17:17:38+00:00

Wow, try to increase your confidence before you think of any "power games"

S1mply_Flawless · 2019-10-24T17:09:07+00:00

I need to read this whole text. What is it?

bugxter · 2019-10-24T18:55:51+00:00

Yeah, no.

chocolatesheikh · 2019-10-24T19:48:54+00:00

Obsolete

CzarFace28 · 2019-10-25T02:06:44+00:00

Ridiculous it has come to this... What about being up front and honest? If I don't show interest how do they act upon it? Stupid reverse psychology this is. If I want something I go get it. This is the "game" I guess.... real recognize real and if they don't see that, then its their problem. Total bullshit people think it's come to this.

fareorb · 2019-10-25T05:34:22+00:00

I mean I've tried this. I take no notice of girls and ignore them and all that shit. Guess what? They ignore me as well and no interaction happens.

hale326 · 2019-10-24T21:28:29+00:00

Eww.

This is not power. This is the exact opposite, this is giving away power, this is being so desperate for something that you let it influence your actions at the point that you hide what you desire. You know who will react like it's predicted there? Other desperate people, from whom you'll learn nothing and that will lead you to either forgetting about them or to bad feelings and unhappiness.

There's nothing of masculine in all of that. A man, a real man, is one who knows what he wants and does not hide it. A boy who lives by those rules will be nothing but a boy for his whole life, consuming his own entrails in desperation, trying to be someone for someone. You want a woman who chases what? Your careless back? I'd rather one who chases me, not some pathetic ego booster technique.

That is the very definition of manipulation. It should be used when you deal with enemies, not with potential lovers. People are not stupid, fool them and as soon as they realise it they'll leave you. Friends, lovers, they are not in a fight with you, it's not a matter of who has more power over whom, that's not why people stick around.

Will it get you in the pants of women? Yeah, some of them maybe. But what for? You won't feel accepted, you won't feel a connection, you will hurt even more someone who is already hurt (or she would never consider someone who acts like that) and in the long run you'll remain alone. Listen to me, throw away that stuff, or keep it for business only. Start looking for real things.

And if you want an example of what's a real king, someone who inspires and is followed and respected, read "king, warrior, magician, lover". A king is someone who takes care of those around him, someone who understands that he is a man with a crown on his head, not THE crown. And there's a big difference in that.

Demmitri · 2019-10-24T23:11:42+00:00

This is uberly bullshit, please don't believe anything of this.

londoncatvet · 2019-10-24T18:32:34+00:00

If you turn your back on your targets, how will they know they're your targets?

abe-solotely-gnarly · 2019-10-24T19:07:19+00:00

Man oh man did I need to read this

DaxMan12 · 2019-10-24T19:45:26+00:00

Next time I’m at a bar and I see a girl I want to talk to I’ll just turn my back and say nothing. How could she possibly resist?? lol.

Not only will this rarely ever work, it’s also a dishonest way to live. If you want to talk and get to know someone just own it and do so!

unknownDac · 2019-10-24T18:41:51+00:00

Do you have the concise version?

MeIAm319 · 2019-10-24T21:08:32+00:00

Yup. This is why you should lose your attraction to the outcome.

langispwr · 2019-10-24T22:02:53+00:00

Powerfully written

MaiNameIsLi · 2019-10-25T01:30:44+00:00

48 law of power.. Good read

KING-HAML3T · 2019-10-25T01:42:55+00:00

The Art of Seduction

Undercovermother19 · 2019-10-25T02:17:23+00:00

I totally agree with whoever authored this piece. It seems a tad illogical but it's true. I used to be very open, sharing things and acted like I cared and it got me absolutely nowhere. Nowadays, I act like I just don't care, well I really don't and I am making more progress now than I have ever did before. You see, you don't have a lot of power over anything or anyone but what you do have power over is your mind. You decide what matters and what is insignificant. You don't have power over much else. Stop making people a priority when you are not to them.

420KUSHBUSH · 2019-10-25T05:02:14+00:00

False, it is all about letting the other person/people know what you want albeit being indifferent to the outcome

bunnyannfox · 2019-10-25T10:34:57+00:00

Love this!!!! Thank you!

aribolab · 2019-10-25T10:49:57+00:00

Contempt only works when you have something they want: power, money, beauty. If you don’t, contempt is pathetic. You first need to build attraction. Louis XIV’s contempt is not a beggar’s contempt.

Jaja_Aureolin · 2019-10-25T11:49:04+00:00

I believe that this if from "The 48 Laws of Power"

me173 · 2019-10-25T11:53:48+00:00

What’s the name of this book?

ImJustSo · 2019-10-25T12:11:38+00:00

Reading through the comments, many of you can't grasp the concept in the way which it naturally unfolds. If you read this without confidence being natural to you, then nothing in this excerpt will help you, because it's describing the traits of someone else. It's not telling you how to get there yourself.

You cannot create a specific curriculum for confidence. Each learner will have different needs. All of your values are varied, all of your knowledge is varied, you're all at varying levels of confidence/insecurity.

Each person's acquisition of confidence therefore comes from varying experience. You may lack confidence in your job on day one, but how about a year later? So you gain confidence that you are good enough there. Now you're financially stable and you begin gaining confidence that you can save money, invest in your future, provide for friends or family if needed.

You still lack confidence with women though, whoever you are. So you read things like this excerpt from a book, this post of mine, too. You look for an answer on how to become something else through research. The problem is that all the confidences you've gained through life came through experiences. Getting better with women and becoming more confident in your ability with women comes from experiences with women that only you can create.

Through my eyes, this book except makes sense in a way that doesn't to many of you, but does to me. I've had so many interactions with women that I know I need defenses against them. I know that there are manipulative women out there. I know that there's women with shitty behavior and are shitty people, who will try to trick me, use me, or hurt me, because I'm attractive to them. I also know that there's beautiful women out there that act wonderfully towards me.

The scary part is that often times, the bad ones "act better" than the good ones do up front. So how do I protect myself? I don't volunteer information and I act the same way towards everyone. I'm nice. I'm funny. I'm aloof. I'm flirty. I'm interesting. I care. I'm intense when you have my attention and my attention goes towards anything interesting, so you often times want to be the most interesting thing to me. And when I do give attention, it's warm, feels good.

If you do anything that I don't like, I'm not an asshole. I'm not going to blow up. I'm not going to ruin your life. I'm going to take away the most valuable thing that I have. I'm just going to take me away from you. I don't give my attention freely, I know its value because I've had enough experiences with people to know my worth. I am confident.

That's what the book is describing, in my opinion. It's describing a healthy trait in an unhealthy manner, but it does match up with how I perceive well socialized people. Confident men and women are a pleasure to be around and many of them simply take away their attention if they don't like you.

Narcissistic assholes do, too though. :) Which the book describes simultaneously.

ubergubernatorial · 2019-10-25T14:39:18+00:00

Beautiful!

umparty · 2019-10-25T04:25:08+00:00

I think that in practical terms this doesn't mean you should purposefully not give a shit (in my experience, most people typically don't like the guys that are obnoxiously aloof, not even with dating but just in general) it's more just going about your regular business without devoting a lot of your attention to chasing some objective. Even more simply the message is just to not try so hard that it becomes desperate and off-putting

A4_Ts · 2019-10-24T18:49:10+00:00

I kind of did this last night but not on purpose. I was walking to a social event and I met these two really cute girls on the way there and we started walked together because why not? I get there and try to break off to do my own thing but they keep walking with me and I dono I just got the vibe they were into me. I have a girl though which is why I didn’t do anything but I can see that “chasing” dynamic taking place. I don’t agree with it though, I’d rather be genuine if I were trying to meet someone either for the long term or just getting laid

Title	It all comes down to this!
Author	upxx
Upvotes	814
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Date	October 24, 2019 3:20 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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