Feminist dismisses Misandry as "just victim-envy"

nlakes · 2012-05-17T10:38:09+00:00

The comparison between David Benatar's carefully researched and logically reasoned book and this muddled, sarcastic retort really shows up the intellectual deficiencies of feminism. Take these two idiotic rejoinders for example:

Really, I know that. I just find it hard to accept feminism has gone too far, that a bit of underarm hair signals the end of western civilisation.

When confronted with facts and reason, a feminist resorts to snark.

One of the ways men are more discriminated against is that there are more of them in prison than women. I may be missing something here, but I thought it was to do with them doing more crime?

When confronted with male disadvantage, a feminist suddenly forgets all her theory that gendered behavior is culturally determined, and blames men for their own inadequacies.

Subversive · 2012-05-17T12:03:31+00:00

One of the ways men are more discriminated against is that there are more of them in prison than women. I may be missing something here, but I thought it was to do with them doing more crime?'

I will remember that the next time a feminist complains about women not being in male dominated careers

Stratisphear · 2012-05-17T13:25:14+00:00

Every so often a new tome details how men, not women, are discriminated against (apart from rape,

Prison Rape

murder,

men are more likely to be victims of violence, don't have the stats on murder

equal pay

debunked time and time again

genital mutilation

circumcision

the power imbalance in politics, business

Don't have stats in front of me for this one

education

Women make up ~60% of post-secondary students

law

Women get a shorter sentence

and arts

What?

nlakes · 2012-05-17T10:20:46+00:00

That's funny, since modern feminism is really just victimology.

There's no emphasis on personal responsibility or accountability, if you feel bad; it must be someone else's fault -- probably a white man.

Also, check out her profile.

A subscriber to crackpot marxist 'class theory'. The backbone of the brand of feminism that says women can't be sexist against men. That thinks because there are some rich white men, we all are in cahoots together to benefit each other and screw over women.

Dexter77 · 2012-05-17T13:49:47+00:00

Typical feminist propaganda. Men's problems are either not real problems or caused by men themselves while all women's problems are an equality issue.

TurdFerguson · 2012-05-17T11:22:04+00:00

I was laughing in response to every paragraph of this piece.

This author is spewing gibberish. Gibberish out of every pore. Especially delicious was this gem:

"Despite everyday stories of violence and abuse against women, we are now to refer to prostitution as "sex work"."

And this is terribly misogynistic because-- Hold on! Weren't feminists the ones who started using the term "sex work" as a way of increasing respect for prostitutes? Ahahaha!

Point and laugh at this confused creature, folks. Point and laugh.

We've come to a point in history where feminists are complaining about the misogyny of terms which were created by other feminists.

primaloath · 2012-05-17T10:29:21+00:00

Victim... Envy?!

I got abused as a child. Anyone want to envy me?

The real problem I have is that, unless serious reforms reach our society within two decades, none of these feminists will be going to jail for their evil actions.

woofoo · 2012-05-17T10:27:31+00:00

Every so often a new tome details how men, not women, are discriminated against (apart from rape, murder, equal pay, genital mutilation, the power imbalance in politics, business, education, law and arts they may have a point).

Rape, murder, and genital mutilation (male vs. female). In each of these cases, men have it statistically worse or just as bad as women. The last points are too subjective for the scope of this post, and the pay gap has too many vairables to be represented simply. However, take a look at this gem:

He also veers into quite bonkers territory. One of the ways men are more discriminated against is that there are more of them in prison than women. I may be missing something here, but I thought it was to do with them doing more crime?

Is that some victim blaming right there? If you applied the same logic to the pay gap, for example, and claimed that women just do less valuable work, then guess who'd be mad? That's right, it's that author of those very words I quoted.

And I'm only three out of twelve paragraphs in! Thanks for posting, OP. This kind of thing needs to get all the attention and scrutiny it deserves.

tarpdetarp · 2012-05-17T13:35:51+00:00

The Guardian is known to employ several Feminist crackpots. IMO it severely hampers their reputation and acceptance of all aspects of their reporting, not just what the Feminists report on.

I love some of the reporting in the Guardian, but it's hard to take other stories seriously when you read something like this.

kratistos · 2012-05-17T15:17:54+00:00

I think the most important part of this whole thing is that fact that she thinks being a victim is something to be envied or that having the status of victim is something only women can have.

thegreatmisanthrope · 2012-05-17T11:11:25+00:00

The removing of random comments on this article stinks of SRS style censorship.

kratistos · 2012-05-17T15:25:38+00:00

The problem is not that this article clearly talks crap. The problem is that this article was published in The Guardian (which is considered to be THE newspaper for lefty, forward thinking liberalism in the UK). This is the scale of the institutionalised bias we are facing, where a perfectly intelligent newspaper is prepared to print such misandric propaganda. We have a mountain to climb dear brothers...

FuzzyGunna · 2012-05-17T15:47:23+00:00

Interestingly enough, the fact that her article exists is the counterpoint to her thesis. But being outside of one's self isn't an easy task for anybody.

zozman · 2012-05-17T11:48:22+00:00

The Guardian do these things all the time - it's more to receive comments and to initiate debate than to make a relevant point. It's intentionally poor journalism intended to seek visitors to their site.

Like_400_Ninjas · 2012-05-17T13:32:10+00:00

I'm not sure whether I should find this hilarious or painfully depressing. There are no words...

AnonTheAnonymous · 2012-05-17T13:27:19+00:00

They cannot dismiss us forever. These responses are just attempts to say to the masses regarding the growing MRM "Hey! Move along, nothing to see hear!" "MRM? Oh, they aren't a legit group, don't look into them! Just move along man cattle, oops, I mean citizens!"

wtfamiwatching · 2012-05-17T14:18:49+00:00

Their dismissal of Misandry is just victim envy

What now feminists?

2012-05-17T15:33:32+00:00

India is copying (should be with strict force from USA) anti male pro female laws from USA to ridiculous extend.

in India there is a TV program going on about things such as this. it was revealed that child abuse happens to 53% male children. but no one cares a hoot. everyone cares only for female child because it is hot and ticking to hear.

the biggest problem people here faces is rabid onslaught of vulgar caricatures of women in media, violence against children and women continuously that people now become numb and afraid after this unfamiliar tactics. they do not want children especially girls to live in such an insecure and honorless world. earlier it was possible for children to roam around in big cities without bothering. but after these media onslaughts, perverts are getting a new kick exploiting children, male children being easily reachable prey.

once I overheard two old policemen in a bar how honest they were with women. they were comparing and talking about their loss of not getting to abuse women in their good times after media reported dozens of such cases recently. Thus I learned what effected people these days.

all featherless chicken stars like rihanna, kim and all are popular here with middle class children that parents do not want girls.

then they start complaining in media about double standards. women and manipulative media themselves are the biggest enemies of women.

CloudDrone · 2012-05-17T16:12:58+00:00

I thought playing the victim is what feminism says women did before feminism. Why are modern day feminists still painting themselves as underprivileged?

I don't see the privilege thing as necessary to gain rights. Blame does nothing but shift responsibility, which makes it even harder to right the wrongs that have been committed. It also makes it look like you have more wrongs than you do if you already see yourselves as a victim.

Also, spending more time bashing feminists is a hobby around here, but there has got to be a better way to bring up awareness of men's and women's rights than bashing the other sex's advocacy groups. I doesn't seem to be helping, other than for venting purposes.

wavegeek · 2012-05-17T23:47:36+00:00

Worth noting here is the complete lack of any sympathy or compassion towards men, even men who are disadvantaged.

For all their hollow talk about equality, feminists don't give a f**k about men.

Mitschu · 2012-05-18T00:23:29+00:00

Every so often a new tome details how men, not women, are discriminated against (apart from rape, murder, equal pay, genital mutilation, the power imbalance in politics, business, education, law and arts they may have a point).

Ironic then that child rape is a predominantly female committed crime, and that men and women experience equal incidences of rape throughout their lifetime when adjusted to include prison rape.

Ironic then that men are the victims of almost all violent crimes, including murder, at a dramatically higher rate than women.

Ironic then that personal choice dictates the "wage gap" width, and the reason why it might be assumed to be a wider gap than it really is, is because females have more choice in the matter, and exercise that choice.

Ironic then that female genital mutilation is a federal crime in the USA, while male genital mutilation is a time-honored custom and expression of religious freedom.

Ironic then that women comprise the majority, and thus have the majority vote when electing new officials into political offices.

Ironic then that the only reason women can even see the glass ceiling is because they're standing on the shoulders of the men in the glass cellar.

Ironic then that women comprise the majority body of all institutes of learning and have higher graduation rates and access to higher levels of general education.

Ironic then that laws are designed to favor women at the expense of men.

Ironic then that the "arts" focus on how men are evil and vile, and women are good and flawless.

...

Anyone else notice that her "apart from..." list is almost everything we have on the sidebar?

sbrbrad · 2012-05-17T15:35:34+00:00

Reading that made my brain hurt.

Knight_of_Malta · 2012-05-17T16:17:44+00:00

Saved.

Unenjoyed · 2012-05-17T17:51:25+00:00

What rancid tripe.

THEAdrian · 2012-05-17T18:25:25+00:00

feminism: the ability to put "victim-" in front of any negative word in order to perpetuate the belief that all women are victims

akakaze · 2012-05-18T07:27:45+00:00

"doing more crime"?

Hey y'all, who wants to go "do crime" with me. I've got 13 ounces of premium crime for us to do under the bridge.

radamanthine · 2012-05-17T14:10:11+00:00

The "unseen hand" has blown it and they know it. It's all coming apart at the seams.

KamehamehaWave · 2012-05-17T14:46:08+00:00

This is link-baiting nonsense. Don't waste your time with it, and don't generalise this woman's gibbering to all of feminism.

sidewalkchalked · 2012-05-17T19:36:15+00:00

Fuck that. Since when is victimhood considered a good thing?

I live in Egypt where there are poor fuckers all over the place who are ACTUAL VICTIMS. They don't go around being proud of their victimhood. They try to have pride in what they have and take care that they look out for those weaker.

Seriously since when is a victim the best thing to be in America?

For me there's no sense reveling in your problems. Either solve them or don't.

2012-05-18T07:32:06+00:00

I am a woman and a feminist, and I would not call this woman a feminist. :/

AnthonyZarat · 2012-05-17T15:59:03+00:00

Every so often a new tome details how men, not women, are discriminated against (apart from rape, murder, equal pay, genital mutilation, the power imbalance in politics, business, education, law and arts they may have a point).

1) Rape: Women are 2 times more likely to rape men, than men are to rape women http://i.imgur.com/Ps9wW.jpg

2) Murder: Men are murdered 9 times more often than women

3) Genital mutilation: Male genital mutilation is common practice throughout the West, while female genital mutilation is illegal in every Western nation.

4) Power inbalance: Politics hutely favors women's rights, who have 600 women's studies departments (compared to zero male studies) and the political patronage of politicians and political parties (compared to zero for men's rights).

5) Businesses: Routinely package and market their products to women onlty, because women make 80% of all purchasing decisions.

6) Education: Boys are 50% more likely to fail out of school, while girls are 50% more likely to attend college.

7) Law: Thousands of laws from "the violence against women act" to the "women's option to raise kids" act provide protection to women, but not to men.

8) Arts: Although women are guaranteed equal opportunity and funding in sports under TItle IX, men are given no opportunity for equal funding in the female-dominated fields of visual and performing arts.

Dr. Moore, do you have anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, of substance to say, or just falsehoods and deception?

Title	Feminist dismisses Misandry as "just victim-envy"
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Date	May 17, 2012 9:57 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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