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[–]2Overkillengine273 points274 points275 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It's almost as if when a woman acts as an equal, she'll actually get treated as one.
[–]Dream4eva14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Once a women accepts that she can't manipulate something with emotion she either gives up, or becomes enthralled with the subject.
The subject can apply to math or more relevantly, men.
[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most modern pussified men are easily manipulated with emotion.
Which actually explains the lack of enthrallment the past few decades.
You are onto something.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the key here is that she is not a western woman.
She is from a hard ass country where it's do or die, not where women are coddled and absolved from responsibility.
[–]HeadingRed1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't be true, The Patriarchy keeps all Wymen from STEM fields. They won't allow a women to reach this level. Otherwise all of those women with a masters in cultural anthropology might have to think it could have been their choice as to what career to pursue.
Seriously though good for her.
[+]TheToeSnail-16 points-15 points-14 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This what bothers me. They say they want to be treated, but THEY act like they are different and
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The suspense is killing me.
[–]3 Endorsed ContributorF9R382 points383 points384 points 11 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Now that's a fine example of a woman who worked her ass off and earned her success. I'd bet you don't find her complaining about privilege and playing the victim.
[–]BiteTheRedPillow159 points160 points161 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. She didn't start doing math, realize it was hard, and find a way to make it "The man's fault for oppressing me!" She started doing math, realized it was hard, and still fucking did it because she wanted to. Badass imo.
[–]smile_e_face39 points40 points41 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Her quote at the end of the article says it all: “Life isn’t supposed to be easy.”
[–]Burner170150 points51 points52 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly she probably realised it was fun.
[–]nicknameminaj0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
find a way to make it "The man's fault for oppressing me!"
this like .... does not happen ever.
[–]Loodu85 points86 points87 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
She probably doesn't try to find excuses. Here's an interview about her life on Oxford University web page: http://www2.maths.ox.ac.uk/cmi/library/annual_report/ar2008/08Interview.pdf
She never mentions feminism as being something important to her or having an impact in her life.
She's probably way above all of that. Before getting the Fields medal she was at the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton: one of the most elitist circle in the world, a place where you can't cheat to enter, where you can't enter thanks to your daddy's networking skills, where you can't enter based on quota. On the top of that she's quite cute and fit, so why on earth would she waste time with a victim complex-based ideology such as feminism?
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of my heroes is Grace Hopper. She was one of the first Software Engineers (arguably THE first). She was all around awesome.
Later in life she was interviewed and said that one of her greatest fears was that she wouldn't be remembered as a great engineer, but rather as a woman who could do engineering. Now days, after her death, we have the Grace Hoppers foundation to promote women in engineering... fuuuuuk.
Fun fact: She ended up a computer engineer because when this new fangled machine the military bought came with a keyboard, she was assigned the task to run it because it looked like a secretarial typing job.
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[–]myepicdemise17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even if she does support feminism, I wouldn't even be mad. She is qualified to advocate that. It's a pleasant change from having feminists who are pigs.
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[–]Loodu30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You mad because a top tier woman doesn't associate in any way with feminism? You must be really in need to get acceptance from others :)
[–]TheKhajiit12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your first comment in 6 months and that's what you come up with?
[–]Mr_Zarika5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not to mention, the religious oppression she would have to fight through would, I'm sure, be considerable.
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[–]Tsilent_Tsunami5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Um, you're not a downvote troll, although this does appear to be your "redpill account". What does being Iranian have to do with playing the role of victim?
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[–]Tsilent_Tsunami0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe she's complained. Maybe she hasn't. She certainly hasn't let any negative experiences she may have had hold her back in any way. Or at least professionally.
[–]liverkiller 100 points100 points100 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
We need way more examples of women like this on this sub.
[–]liverkiller100 points 11 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]525760780 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why do you say she's a RP woman? Does she go along with the whole captain/first-mate thing?
[–]2comment7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When men learn to act overall stronger and stop taking their shit. People are influenced by what they get away with growing up but even most good people turn to shit when constraints are lifted. Just like many trust fund babies raised by absent or weak parents, regardless of gender.
Unfortunately, the feminized generations are long since been in power and helped build a bias against strong masculinity. If you don't act the part of a nice guy pushover once the system focuses its sights on you, prepare to be hounded.
[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have to agree. I see some people thinking the lack of Red Pill thinkers to be a good thing, and in a way they are correct...
But only in the short term.
In the long term a surplus of Blue Pill just enables the propagation of shitty behavior.
[–]srtor19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely. The 'western' women are rotten to the core. Blame game, no accountability, all kinds of social assistance and load full of white knights (betas) in the society. Feminism in full flow.
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[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She won the Fields Medal. That's a big fucking deal in Mathematics. Deserves every single amazed post and adulation that she gets for it.
This wasn't some woman "being a decent person", dude. She basically went to the intellectual "moon" and got back unscathed. Be impressed, very impressed.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly. This is amazing regardless of gender. I'm suitably impressed, that she is brilliant, such a hard worker, and a mother. I think it's also adorable her 3 year old thinks she's a painter.
[–][deleted] 136 points137 points138 points 11 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link
What's funny is our detractors probably came in here expecting us to bad mouth her or put her down in some way. They still don't understand that we love women.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan53 points54 points55 points 11 years ago* (34 children) | Copy Link
We have a love-hate relationship with women. I mean speak for yourself but I don't love women. Seeing them for what they are I appreciate what a minority of well-raised women can contribute to my life and I can see how men are idealistic romantics that need/crave a woman in their life to "have that connection they can't have with another man", but by the by women are nothing to be lauded or worshipped. Western women in general are just shitty people. We have all the reason in the world to hate them but being hateful doesn't help you improve yourself so you have to look past it for the sake of your own mental health. You do this by being selective with your women and employing RP strategies to hold frame/maintain dominance, enjoying their positives whilst mitigating their negatives and if necessary dropping them like hot shit when they cross the line. Which many, if not almost all, will.
I think loving as in, worshipping women or even preferring them to men, despite having read a lot of TRP material is not RP at all, but really, blue pill gone full circle. It looks something like this: you were BP because you were ignorant. Then you 180'd to red pill and bitter. Then again you 180'd so now you're purple pill and wilfully ignorant because RP truths were painful. Only now you have no ignorance to blame, just the fact that reality hurts and you can't deal with the pain it causes you. To be honest I don't know what's more pathetic, a dude who never knew better or a dude who knew better but couldn't handle the truth. Not meaning to present a false dichotomy as it can certainly be more nuanced, but you get my drift, I'm not trying to get too deep with this specific idea.
Ultimately I think we're fighting our instincts. Our instincts are to romanticize women, care for them, provide for and protect them, seeking sexual favours in return to pass on our genes. Meanwhile our culture has made our instincts deadly to our own survival, exacerbated by cultural marxist indoctrination which makes us ripe pickings for women who have been trained to be less empathetic, more narcissistic and more predatory in both their view of and relation to, men. Women are manageable when their egos are kept in check (this is why negging works) but allowed to get high on "you go girl!" instant validation for the tiniest and most asinine things (such as a selfie) they become incredibly narcissistic. Combine that with man's natural predisposition to romanticize women and woman's inherent Machiavellian instinct and what we have is a disaster waiting to happen. What we have here is a culture that brainwashes men to give into their romantic instincts instead of utilising them selectively and giving into them sporadically; whilst dissecting and supplanting their masculinity to populate their psyche with feminine viewpoints. These feminine viewpoints then get mixed in with male protector/provider instinct (man's in-built masculine concept of romanticism) as to make them hard to tell apart from one another. In part, this is why guys sometimes pathetically bicker over "what being alpha is", especially in relation to women and long-term relationships which are no doubt the trickiest sphere for any man, let alone an RPer.
Feminism as institutionalised as it is in society is responsible for exacerbating female narcissism, encouraging them to monopolize and exemplify their worst traits (hypergamy/entitlement and solipsism) to scapegoat us collectively (as men) for their own material betterment. Effectively today's generation of women have been trained to hang men out to dry rather than learn to love and work with them in spite of our monumental gender differences. Part of the facilitation of this is making it so women can't love/trust/pair bond to any one single man by encouraging them to be "sex-positive" aka huge sluts. This is great if you want casual sex, but it's bad if you actually want to be in love. The more partners a woman has had the less capable of falling in love she is. A woman who's had many dicks and relationships no matter what she rationalises is near incapable of pair bonding. These women are often bitter and they feel owed something from their chain of suitors as a symptom of their latent narcissism. Resultantly they view men collectively as an arbitrary segment of the population that can be exploited for self-gain.
Where it was traditionally incentivised for women to depend on men, it has now been demonised. Instead, women now depend growingly on men indirectly via big daddy government's wealth redistribution efforts. When opting for direct dependence on men they opt for insidious methods (wilful manipulation and gold digging) rather than cohesive and functional methods (a promise of sexual loyalty and a union focused on family creation/maintenance.) We, as a species, may be naturally polygamous, but our civilization is based upon monogamy, thus we are at the impasse where we must choose what is more important to us. Hedonistic sexual freedom or family? You enjoy the decline or you endeavour to rebuild civilization one long-term relationship at a time. Most guys seem to have given up hopes of a family, others naively hang on. Some are reasonably competent in "maintaining a woman" within the long term despite all the odds stacked against them, but shit's grim.
Without a patriarchal society in place to enforce honour, our ability to love women is diminished because they have the ability to destroy us and get away with it. Due to to a few core differences: their lack of logic, their lack of honour and their exceptional ability to rationalise and delude themselves that the bad things they do are necessary for their own emotional well-being and therefore "just" and perfectly acceptable (this is aided by weak logic and is an instinct that will even override women who uncannily possess strong logic), they simply do not hold themselves to account in a way that a man would. Neither does society. By making them our legal and social equals (well actually, superiors) without them being our logical and spiritual equals, we have upset the balance between leader and follower, captain and first mate, and left ourselves susceptible to the impulsivity of their emotionally driven whims. What has this done? Destabilised society, utterly. This has resulted in divorce, suicide and a whole bunch of other fucked up crazy shit that no hot chick's soft touch, sweet voice, long hair and gentle kisses is worth. For all the flak they get, the MGTOWs are the rational ones here. They're rational in pursuing their own happiness, however from an evolutionary standpoint they're irrational for effectively consenting to end their own genetic line. If there was ever a war between nature and nurture, this is it and it's socially engineered human reproductive kryptonite.
Yes we may be biologically programmed to romanticize women so that we pass on our DNA, but no, it's not rational to "love women" from a contemporary perspective. I fear men who give themselves over to irrationalism are doomed no matter what they know about women because they are willing to overlook all manner of red flags for the sake of "love." Women really are man's ultimate weakness, as distasteful as that is to acknowledge. What all men must know is this: you never get to "just fall in love with a woman" and give into the deepest romantic yearning within you. This is a privilege reserved for women. As a leader, you may not let love consume you. You must always manage her for the benefit of you both and the success of the relationship. Where she will not yield or allow you to do what needs to be done - you must walk away. This is probably one of the most bitter pills to swallow that there is. You never "just get to be in love." Ever. You don't. You don't get to be complacent.
Edited for grammar to make it easier to read and more clearly defined. Thanks for the gold.
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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
You have a tendency to write run-on sentences. I understand what you're saying, but it takes more concentration to read that wall of text than it should.
Out of curiosity I copied & pasted your comment into a few websites. It took me 5-10 minutes of googling to find this tool I came across a few months ago. It offers suggestions and text highlighting which changes as you edit. I recommend you check it out (go ahead, copy & paste your text). The grade level needed in order to understand what you wrote is 24. No automated analysis is going to be perfect, but I think it is a step in the right direction.
http://www.hemingwayapp.com/
[–]1mcdehuevo2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Seconded. Content aside, the presentation needs a ton of improvement. The website is even worse. I've actually considered e-mailing him to offer my services as editor.
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[–]2emptyform0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I have a lot of respect for the intellectual content of your work, but you're being defensive here. You needn't be perfect grammatically, in fact an author's style is often defined by how he chooses to break grammar, but cleaning up the presentation would just make your work that much better. As Robert Greene would say, "don't neglect how you visually arrange things." Or as Stephen King would say, "Write for yourself, edit for others."
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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Serious question: Do you think the philosophers of the different periods: ancient (Plato), medieval (Machiavelli) the gothic to late gothic (Schopenhaeur) or the post gothic (Nietzsche) actively edited their philosophical stream of consciousness to be more accessible? There really is a line between fixing typos and changing the very essence of a text. When I read these works I really feel like I'm in their heads despite the fact they've all been translated. Faithful translations are seen as translations which use the best words/syntax rather than going full-on grammar nazi. I want people to feel like they're in my head when I talk, not that they're getting a dilution of some sort to conform to the contemporary literary standards. I want to be understood, but in a nuanced, intimate and specific way.
which is probably why professionally published written and musical works have second- and third-party editors and producers.
Interesting assumption.
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[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
As an ESL, that seems like a really useful app for work and liaising with English clients. Gonna keep that bookmarked, thanks. I like constructive replies like this, but I don't agree this is ideal at all times.
The key limitation, I think, is it limits variety and would strangle your writing style. In a business setting, that makes sense actually, but probably not every where else. Still, good as a guide, but not as a rule.
Also, it actually serves as a great way to not end up getting quoted by TBP(if you cared). I'd be impressed if they actually managed understand any of it.
[–]EasyChief0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you mind me asking which countries you've taught in? I'm thinking about doing it in China in about a year from now.
[–]sagacioussage2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
I've been lurking for 6 months and I respect how you are always able to cut through all the bullshit with your insight in every comment you make.
The fact that right now some little faggot's insult is upvoted more than your comment in this sub is sad to me. I guess even here in TRP we gotta White Knight because some bitch is good at math. Great for her, TRP doesn't deny that women can be just as good at logic, math, science etc, as men; but we point out facts like the difference in the distribution of men and women's IQ scores, difference in preference for working with abstract logic etc. And, on top of all of that, a women whose a mathematical genius is still going to have a hamster. It's going to be highly evolved and appear perfectly logical to average guys, but it will still be a hamster using emotional manipulation to justify her way. That's the main point of TRP: that men are men and women are women. We have different roles that are equally important when both sexes accept them.
Exceptions to those roles exist and should be respected, but that doesn't change that men are leaders and women are followers.
Adding on to all that I think your point:
I think loving as in, worshipping women or even preferring them to men, despite having read a lot of TRP material is not RP at all, but really, blue pill gone full circle as in: BP because you were ignorant > 180 to red pill and bitter > 180 again so now you're blue pill and wilfully ignorant because RP truths were painful, except now you have no ignorance to blame, just the fact that reality hurts and you can't deal with the pain it causes you. To be honest I don't know what's more pathetic, a dude who never knew better or a dude who knew better but couldn't handle the truth. Not meaning to present a false dichotomy as it can certainly be more nuanced, but you get my drift, I'm not trying to get to deep with this specific idea.
Is a real, huge danger to all of us. Like you said our instincts are to romanticize women, especially ones we commit to. There's actually evidence that we aren't inherently polygamous, or at least that it's more nuanced. All throughout human history, whenever harems occurred, there was always a "First wife" who usually was most adored and had the most power. This suggests that all men have a built-in predisposition to oneitis that's powerful enough to withstand tons of other pussy. That wouldn't necessarily be so bad except for how fucked up our culture's gender dynamics are. That's why avoiding oneitis is so talked about here -- because it's a dangerous thing for modern men to get.
But as you say knowing about and convincing yourself you accept TRP isn't a guarantee that you'll actually be Red Pill. It's a constant struggle of self-improvement and confrontation with the truth.
I'm disappointed that the people in this thread are willing to downvote truth. I can't think of why that it is except for some latent BP desire to prove to themselves that they really aren't sexist because they acknowledge women can do math just like men.
edit: It looks like that comment was deleted and the votes make more sense. I still think being vigilant about staying RP in our feminized culture is an important, sometimes overlooked point.
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[–]namae_nanka0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Studies of Asians have shown that Asian women demonstrate greater variance in IQ than Asian men.
I haven't heard of such studies, please cite some.
[–]sagacioussage0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Can you link me to studies showing this?
Geneticists have found more genetic variation within racial groups rather than between racial groups. This fact shows how slow evolution is and how tenuous the concept of race is (at least biologically).
If white women are actually the only group of women out there with a smaller variation of IQ than men that would be an incredible fact that would completely revolutionize the study of human genetics.
How could evolution happen so quickly to such a specific group when it moves so slowly in every other instance; and in every other species?
Why is there this one specific genetic difference between the races when no other specific genetic differences exist?
Your claim that only white women have less IQ variance is such an extraordinary claim that would contradict a lot of established facts in human population genetics that it requires a lot of hard evidence in order to rationally believe. In other words, you're going to have to supply more than a few studies.
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[–]sagacioussage0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are completely, 100% wrong. Literally every sentence you just wrote is factually incorrect, and any scientist would immediately reject it.
I see you're a woman from Iran, that explains all your bullshit.
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[–]sagacioussage0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's completely fine with me. People who try to spread racist propaganda are not worth having a conversation with.
In the U.S. African Americans have consistently scored lower in tests of cognitive ability as compared to whites, even when socio-economic factors were controlled for.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear your biased against Jews, but what do Iranians have against blacks. (Because that ^ is completely untrue -- you must've been taught it in your shitty Iranian school)
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The last sentence was all that was needed.
[–]joncho0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes we may be biologically programmed to romanticize women so that we pass on our DNA, but no, it's not rational to "love women" from a contemporary perspective. I fear men who give themselves over to irrationalism are doomed no matter what they know about women because they are willing to overlook it for the sake of "love", women really are man's ultimate weakness, as distasteful as that is to admit.
Nobody is rational and for very good reason. Neurology has discovered that all decissions are emotional, and that without our emotional system we are unable to make decissions. There is a reason why evolution has lead us to having a developed emotional system. It's a very powerful tool to adapt and make decissions, without it and only being logical we would be useless. If you want to understand more about the role of emotions in the decission making process read Antonio Damassio, the neurologist who discovered why we have emotions from an evolutionary point of view (btw he is not a psychologist or a sociologist who are a lot of times full of shit, he is a neurologist, a real scientist).
So when you say that you are rational, it's just an outdated way of understanding how we take decissions. In reality when you think you are being rational, you are just in a particular emotional state.
[–]illogical_logician6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You seem to assume that any quantity of emotional investment to a decision, small or big, automatically makes said decision emotion-driven.
Just because we can never take emotions out of the picture doesn't mean that careful examination of positives and negatives, carefully assessing a situation and using data-driven methods to reach your desirable outcome is an illusion because we ultimately obey our instincts.
Emotions are the compass, they show you what you love reaching out to. Reason is what you use to examine the method to get there.
[–]joncho-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, I'm not assuming that. I'm saying that the part of the brain that makes the decission is the part of the brain that produces the emotions. Obviously, in every decission there is a feedback loop between the emotional and the cognitive part of the brain, but the decission is ultimately made in the emotional part. Whether you want to call that an emotional decission or not is a matter of nomenclature, the fact remains.
Also, emotions are more than the compass. The world is too complicated for our cognitive system to process all the possibilties, so our though process makes logical jumps and unproven assumptions usually based in our limited experience. We sometimes call these intuitions, premonitions, vision, being smart, etc... As I said the though process is never logical, but a feedback loop between both the cognitive and emotional system.
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tl;dr we love caring/hardworking/respectable women, we hate selfish/spiteful bitches. Respect is a privilege to be earned, not a right to be given to everyone.
[–][deleted] 49 points50 points51 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I wonder how many people from TBP came in here being like "AHA! We are totally going to find some misogyny here, I'm going to get some karma, the RPers are going to be so butthurt..." and then found none.
What you can observe is how one of the "worst patriarchies in the world" produced this girl and how the absence of feminism allowed for her to not squander the opportunity of going to an elite school.
Nothing will dim your faith in America than actually going to Harvard and observing how many of the best and brightest are doing the exact same thing the girls at ASU are doing. Foreign parents would cut their foot off it if meant sending their kid to Harvard and the kids grown up in Western society spend 33% of their time drunk / stoned / skipping class / etc.
If you raise your girl and shield her from the influences of feminism, while teaching her the value of education, hardwork, and finding healthy outlets for her emotionality (a constructive pursuit that she's passionate about and not fucking photography), it is amazing what she can accomplish. And no one will hold their praise just because she's a woman - look at how all the best math departments males, like the Alex Eskin of UChic, spoke of her in extremely glowing terms even before her award.
[–]Noble_toaster12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This topic is on the front page of Twox in three different posts yet nobody gives a shit. Zero discussion about the woman. People on here are praising her way more than Twox and blue pill combined. A woman actually breaks barriers? Meh, let's just complain about the patriarchy on the women can't be engineers thread!
[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol, although its not a contest, I find that hilarious. add /r/feminism to that list.
[–]Mysonking5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
There are more women in Iranian universities than there are men
[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link
I like this country's attitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran
Iran is an example of a country that has made considerable advances through education and training, despite international sanctions in almost all aspects of research during the past 30 years. Iran's university population swelled from 100,000 in 1979 to 2 million in 2006. 70% of its science and engineering students are women.[1] Iran's scientific progress is reported to be the fastest in the world.[2][3][4] Iran has made great strides in different sectors, including aerospace, nuclear science, medical development, as well as stem cell and cloning research.[5]
Not only is their research and development sector booming despite a 30 year long standing boycott, but women in STEM there have made progress that western feminists should envy. For comparison, one of the least male-dominated high-paying careers in science in the west is Chemical Engineering, reporting 33% of bachelors being awarded to women, along with 17% of employment in the industry. In Iran... its an admirable almost 50-50 employment in fields across the board(correct me if I'm wrong).
And none of this is because the regime is encouraging women. Quite the opposite. But because like in China(over there, its a natural consequence of the one-child-policy), both parents and society expect success(in $$$ terms) and excellence of their daughters. Like /u/drrrrrr said, there's a difference of values. One has feminism, akin to a nerdy underachiever making excuses for why they suck at life, and the other has some actual pressure of defining your identity by your success.
Hell, in Iran, a woman doesn't even get as much of a validation boost from her looks. And she has to get it somehow...
[–]1Joelasaur6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
70% of its science and engineering students are women.
WHAT
This is amazing. Nowhere in the states have I ever seen this. Ever. I'm a math and cs double major; total sausage-fest. I never knew that, thanks.
[–]Hoodwink12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
There was an idea floating about that the reason why there are more women in engineering and science from poor/developing/ridiculous countries is that women can't depend on an 'easy out' strategy in life by being mothers. Or at least, the strategy doesn't automatically beget an acceptable, comfortable life.
[–]through_a_ways6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Patriarchy means men and women have equal choice, whereas feminism means men have little choice and women have lots of choice.
Patriarchal countries also tend to be poorer, and as such have fewer welfare programs for women to depend on.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The dominant cultural mindset has a lot to do with the gender imbalance at these universities, which is similar here in North Africa.
The part of the mindset causing this is the idea that going to university is considered an "unmanly" form of self-improvement, and thus something to be done by women.
[–]theozoph3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I've also heard (in an article about Iran) that men tend to be pushed into careers earlier so they can provide for themselves and their families, and that girls are "pampered" with education boys will only dream about. Is that the case in your country?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh, I'm just an expat, sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
In this country they have mandatory military service for men once they reach 19 years of age, and that is used as a tool to (poorly) manage the complete lack of employment opportunities for youth.
They have massive doles for the veterans who were in the war of independence, so it is possible there is something similar for sending women to college.
[–]theozoph1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah, Algeria. Yeah, I've got many friends from here, it's a real SNAFU. I doubt anyone there is getting anything out of their education, except perhaps a better chance of making it abroad.
[–]Hoodwink-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've heard of this stuff before (namely by feminists), but I can't wrap my head around it. It doesn't explain India, China, and a whole host of other countries. But, poverty and the expectation of men to provide as soon as they hit 13-16 does. Women tend also to get more investment in resources across all cultures - in dowries and education (marriage into mid-upper-class is a whole lot easier to understand and invest in).
I don't necessary think it's cultural ideas that leads the imbalance, but economics.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Eh, the employment opportunities for young people here are awful, and there is a massive drug problem. On top of that, there is mandatory military service of 1.5 years for males between 19 to 30. This helps manage the unemployment issue.
I suppose there could be some kind of subsidy for sending women to college, but I haven't seen it.
I know a lot of people around here want to believe the Muslim world is some kind of red pill paradise. For a variety of reasons, it's not.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I remember Harald Eia adressed this paradox. He noticed that in gender equal, feminist Norway, women's participation in the sciences and engineering is lower than in more patriarchial countries. He theorized that this is because in more gender equal, rich, subsidized countries like Norway, women are more likely to pick the profession they want, instead of the profession they NEED to earn a decent living. In less accomodating countries, women strive to get better paying degrees (STEM).
[–]DrXaos0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's something else cultural too. Ask anybody in STEM:
There are many more women in science/engineering professionally from some cultures than others.
In Western culture, far more from historically Catholic countries (France, Italy, Spain, South America) than Protestant countries (USA, Germany, UK, Nordics).
In Eastern culture, far more from China and Iran, than Japan/Korea/Arab countries.
[–]Loodu117 points118 points119 points 11 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
"OMG The patriarchy is sexist, racist and preventing anything that's isn't a white male from achieving anything important is this world."
Then comes the iranian woman who got into Harvard PHD program after going to school in Iran her entire life, proving that the patriarchy does no such thing.
Congratulation to this woman who contributed to the prestigious field of pure mathematics, and indirectly, engineering.
[–]RPModulator21 points 11 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
Then comes the iranian woman who got into Harvard PHD program after going to school in Iran her entire life,
You make it sound like Iranian schooling is a detriment . . . Many countries that have less funding than US schools have turn out students that are much better than Americans at very conceptual/theoretical subjects, and this is particularly true WRT math. This is for several reasons, not the least of which being that because those countries are "poor", relative to the the US, they focus all of their academic training on subjects that only require a pencil and a pad of paper.
TL;DR: Want to be good in math? You can significantly up your chances by growing up in Russia, Iran, or Greece.
[–]foooow19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think what he meant was that "The Patriarchy" is much more oppressive in countries like Iran so her achievement is even greater.
It wasn't a comment on Iranian schools.
[–]Loodu4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry but no. While the USA are really not good for school compared to the wealth and development of the country, Iran is far from being a good country for High school.
Finland, China, Estonia are good examples, but not Iran. Everything she had is due to her determination, not to the school system, that is just average in Iran.
[–]watersign0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
not detrimental in the sense iranian schools are inferior, but islam is a pretty backwards culture
[–]redditcdnfanguy-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You make it sound like Iranian schooling is a detriment
Iranian schooling IS a detrement. After the revolution a teacher tried to use a dice to demonstrate probabilty and his students started screaming that it was a 'Satanic artifact'
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That is a hilariously inaccurate representation of Iranian schooling.
[–]redditcdnfanguy0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yet true - in fairness it was immediately after the revolution.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My mother taught there both before and after the revolution. What you describe sounds like a story from a crazy fundamentalist. It's no different than using Todd Akin as being representative of the United States.
[–]RotWeissRot36 points 11 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
This makes me happy to be a math major. If you can find an attractive woman majoring in science, math, or engineering (though they are few to come by) capitalize on it. I've found that women in business majors are some of the most entitled, uptight people possible.
[–]pcadrian9 points 11 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Women in nursing are the best. Women in sciences are too uptight and a bit too masculine in my experience. Nurses are some of the most feminine women around.
BTW, what's your favourite are of math?
[–]Autosleep0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Taking care of people, specially if you are an intern and you will most probably start in a "medicine" medical ward (where the old and the dying stay, even children that are dying are moved from pediatric ward to medicine), can make you a lot more humble/sensitive to people.
indeed, i am quite attraxted to girls who are good at math
[–]theredpillager32 points33 points34 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not at all surprised she's Iranian.
[–]bangbangahah39 points40 points41 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Fun fact: Women in countries actually oppressed typically go in more STEM fields then ones with more equality.
Norway was rated the most equal country on the planet in 2008, yet the numbers of male engineers is still 90%+ and females still dominate nursing careers by a massive margin. And in countries in the middle east and places like India, more women strive to become engineers and scientists. This proves feminists will NEVER be happy. Because if we do reach an egalitarian society they will see more female nurses and more male engineers then ever, and still claim there is work to do!
This really is a strong argument for how the more equal a country is, genetic differences in men and women will be expressed.
[–][deleted] 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
All the studies showing greater IQ variance among men than women are studies of white people, the most important being a study of Scottish children. Studies of Asians have shown that Asian women have greater variance in their IQ than Asian men.
White women being more average than PoC women? Oh my, someone please call Buzzfeed femicunt armies, and let them destroy each other using evolutionary arguments!!!
Bring popcorn.
[–]bangbangahah0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Im talking about the genetic differences in there brain that attracts them to different fields, not how they will go into one field because there more intelligent or less intelligent.
Whenever i said "This really is a strong argument for how the more equal a country is, genetic differences in men and women will be expressed." I did not mean one has a higher IQ then the other. I mean women naturally want to go into more social environments and social sciences, where mean go into more complex subjects like math and physics. Now obviously there would be an IQ difference between the people who studied physics and one who studied sociology and women studies, but that wasn't what i was arguing.
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[–]bangbangahah0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't see the point your trying to make lol. I'm saying once again in countries more oppressed women will go into STEM fields more often then other countries where there more equal.
Norway was rated most equal country yet they have majority women in social fields and majority men in STEM fields. But in countries in the middle east and in india, more women want to go into STEM. This study was done among many countries and it always shows correlation, more free a country is less STEM women, more oppressed or unequal, more stem women.
Im not arguing that in Iran there going to be less women interested in STEM, Im saying they will be MORE women interested because its not very egalitarian. And you've shown that this is true in your reply "In Iran 70% of STEM students are female." I think you're misunderstanding me a bit lol.
[–]bangbangahah0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol last response man, this study was done is over 40 countries, even in countries that are NOT WHITE but more free it still shows less women into STEM fields and more men into STEM fields.
You seem to think this shows ONLY manifests in Scandinavian countries, it doesn't, its in many countries like i've said..Regardless if there European or and white
[+]through_a_ways-6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The reason for this is that patriarchy advantages men, while feminism disadvantages them.
Now, I don't mean this in the SJW sense. Women are playing at a natural advantage, and patriarchy tries to equalize that. Feminism tries to exploit that.
Under patriarchy, women cannot sleep around, get no fault divorce, etc. Because it's harder for them to hook a man, and thus to secure a living, they are more likely to be good wives in order to do this. They are also more likely to pursue real careers in order to provide for themselves.
It's harder for them to find providers, AND there's less government welfare.
[–]snobocracy5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wait... No welfare + no social acceptance of sleeping around = patriarchy?
[–]through_a_ways-4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Patriarchy is the social system that the west used to have until relatively recently. Social shame of promiscuity (moreso for women than men) is one feature of patriarchy. Since poorer societies tend to be more patriarchal and vice versa, less welfare than is currently available in the west would also be a loose feature of patriarchy.
[–]BoyMeetsHarem1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol. No, the reason for this is that when men control a society they will direct the population into useful pursuits instead of letting everyone study art history and pop psychology because it's easier and let's them express their feelings.
Patriarchy is better for both genders.
[–]Mysonking19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As an Iranian and a fan of TRP, I am just happy to see this posted here. And obviously very proud of having Iranian winning this prize.
She will be a hero in Iran
[–]heeb5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
+1 She's awesome. Not all, but most here, will recognise this.
[–]toofantastic24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Kudos for her! Now imagine if more women focused on getting shit done instead of hamstering their problems away, seeking validation for self-inflicted failures.
Are you fat? Then cut calories, gals. Are you earning pennies in a "fun" field such as art history? Then buckle up and do the hard, less "fun" disciplines such as math, science, and business. Are you socially awkward or lonely? Then focus on doing the initiative yourself rather than waiting for others (especially men) to do it before you do.
Of course this won't in general happen in my lifetime. But I still will admire those rare women who don't hamster themselves endlessly.
[–]through_a_ways1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then buckle up and do the hard, less "fun" disciplines such as math, science, and business.
I've always thought that men simply find those fields more "fun" than women do, which is why they go into them in the first place.
I mean, boys tend to be interested in "spatial" toys at a very early age, while girls don't. This has even been evidenced to be hormonal and NOT social, as girls with abnormally high levels of androgens also display this preference (Not to mention that the same preferences exist in multiple monkey species).
There was also a survey I saw which quantified worldwide attitudes toward STEM by gender. In literally every country, in countries as diverse as India, China, and Germany, young boys showed a greater interest in STEM than young girls.
Anecdotally, it just seems like guys are more likely to be interested in learning the inner workings of things.
I see a whole lot of girls on my facebook feed taking pictures of food at restaurants with lots of twitter hashtags typed out, but more guys who take pictures of legitimate dishes that they actually made. My sister will get into weird nutritional trends and avoid certain foods, but upon questioning, will never be able to provide a reason for their validity, other than "I heard it somewhere". I could go on, but I don't feel the need to justify my beliefs.
[–]1kick66 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think most TRPers are fine with this. We really aren't misogynists. We don't want to oppress women, we just want their achievements to stand up to the same scrutiny that men's do, not some watered down version specially crafted for women.
This woman seems to have done the biz.
[–]garlicextract15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
She isn't white, so it's unlikely feminists will parade her as much as otherwise. Congratulations to her, she must be a brilliant women.
[–]el_Technico3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Iranians are the original white people. Iran translated means land of aryans.
She won't be paraded around because she is middle eastern/maybe muslim.
[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Iranians are the original white people.
Iranians aren't white, though there may be a few stray individuals who could really pass. Maybe you meant Caucasian, but even then, the history of places like the Mideast and South Asia are too complex to say anything very conclusive.
[–]curious970 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The woman that won this prize is quite pale and has straight/wavy brown hair and blue eyes. Looks pretty white to me. Many Iranians I have met could easily pass for a southern European.
Also, Iranians really are Aryans/Indo-European. They do have quite a bit of Arab/Semitic influence in their culture/language though.
[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure, there are some who could pass for European, though imo the woman in question would pass for Turkish at most. That doesn't mean that on average that's the case.
Additionally, Aryan/Indo-European =/= European
[–]el_Technico0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't think you have ever met Iranians. Their pigmentation is the same as Greeks, Italians and Spanish. Unless you also consider them not white. If the Iranians are not white, who are white ? Are the Anglos, and the Saxsons white ? Anglos and Saxons tribes originated from Iran.
Half the peoples of Europe can trace their ancestry back to Iran: Greeks, Italians, Germans, English, Scandinavians, Russians/Ukraine/Belarus, Serbs/Croats, Albanians.
The word Caucasian relates to the area of the Caucasus, which is historically an area dominated by Iranian peoples. It is literally a PC way of saying someone is of Iranian/Aryan ancestry, except the word Aryan is no longer popular, and western governments try not to associate anything positive to Iran.
I have a degree in history and can make conclusive statements on this subject.
[–]through_a_ways1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't think you have ever met Iranians. Their pigmentation is the same as Greeks, Italians and Spanish.
I have met Iranians, and they're usually noticeably darker than southern Europeans. This also says otherwise.
[–]el_Technico0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is a difference between a persons natural skin pigmentation and a persons pigmentation after being tanned under the sun. This is what you are failing to grasp.
As an Iranian I can tell you that you're wrong. Iran is a very diverse country, but the majority are white similar to Greeks, Italians and Spanish. We even have paler white people in the north that are similar to Russians in skin colour. In the south the people are tanned by the sun and slightly darker, but still naturally white.
That chart is laughable proof. Go take a trip to Iran, instead of basing your opinions on meeting a few people.
[–]1favours_of_the_moon2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If she deserves it, power to her.
If they gave it to her, because she has a vagina, and the political agenda is to "encourage girls to study math," then she should give it back. Don't really know.
I guess I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
[–]fl3wy3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Awesome! In a way, she reminds me of Karen Straughan. Also a very intelligent and well-spoken woman. Anyway, great achievement.
I swear, just a little while ago I was looking around /r/againstmensrights and saw them mention this thread with a title along the lines of 'misters upset about blah blah woman blah mathematics' - cannot remember specifically, but the title clearly indicated that the there was some whining about it, or disbelief, or something negative.
Later, I come here to see what people are saying. The first several comments have nothing but respectful acknowledgement for a hard won accomplishment, no gender issues mentioned except that it is rightfully noted she does not attribute her success to feminism. She is being treated as her actions have warranted - respect for her accomplishment.
Then I went back to AMR to see what on Earth they were picking on. Could it be that very fact that we (yeah it's a we, this is my home turf too) are pointing out that it isn't feminism that deserves the credit, but the individual?
I'm not sure I'll ever know. Can't find the thread on AMR. Taken down, perhaps? Did the comments in this thread not fit the narrative?
[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
If this is not sensationalist news-casting, you can already see her empowered mindset at age 8:
As an 8-year-old, Maryam Mirzakhani used to tell herself stories about the exploits of a remarkable girl. Every night at bedtime, her heroine would become mayor, travel the world or fulfill some other grand destiny.
As said by my nigga Gandhidedztogarlicextract :
Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.
Much like Marissa Mayer, not much to say here except:
[–]garlicextract0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*Gandhi
Not trying to be spelling police but IMO people should be respected by spelling their names correctly
[–]watersign0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
marissa meyer slept her way to the top.
[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You have insight on this? I'm interested in hearing more.
[–]watersign0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
she used to date larry page. ___^
[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't know how I missed that one. That's great, Marissa Mayer piggybacked off of Larry Page and Anne Wojcicki off of Sergey Brin - reducing the total count of women who've achieved anything notable in Silicon Valley to zero.
[–]incraved0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think that nigga was on point.
[–]redpill_man4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for her. These are the kind of women I can get behind (no pun intended). No Bullshit and all hard work.
I'm pleased that she won the highest prize in mathematics. However, let's measure her up to the standards of other mathematicians rather than other women. I think measuring her towards other women is an insult to women that can achieve as much as she did.
[–]throwaway164311 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maryam totally deserves this award. Make no mistake, she got the Fields medal based on the quality and brilliance of her work, not just because she's a woman. The mathematics community is notoriously meritocracy based.
Her brilliance was obvious even in school (for example, gold medal in the international math olympiad with a perfect score). There's a great interview that has a nice quote from her
However, I should say that the education system in Iran is not the way people might imagine here. As a graduate student at Harvard, I had to explain quite a few times that I was allowed to attend a university as a woman in Iran. While it is true that boys and girls go to separate schools up to high school, this does not prevent them from participating say in the Olympiads or the summer camps.
[–]VivalaVeritas1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And she's super humble as well, the article detailing her achievements was a good read as well.
[–]Rhodos1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Congratulations to Dr. Mirzakhani. Truly inspirational, for both men and women. Well done!
Redpill praising and acknowledging a women because she worked her ass of and produced something great. r/feminism must be mindblown.
[–]ketebwoy1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a great woman. No victim mentality, no misdirections, no double talk, non of the self directed/edited movies in her head. She realizes hard work and accountability. I'll be telling my daughter about this woman
[–]RPthrowaway1230 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for her. It takes a lot to be that skilled in an area and she worked her ass off.
Its all the "equality of outcome" shit that drives me nuts. There's nothing wrong with it if she really is the best!
[–]workdavework0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
What is this?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Well done for her.
But again tons of men have achieved the Fields Medal before Maryam, so it doesn't mean that this shows that the best mathematician is a woman. Also more men have won the Field's medal this year than females. Maryam is the only female to win it. I don't see Avila, Bhargava, and Hairer being touted around in the media. She's basically getting all this media recognition because she is .... a woman.
Then why aren't the other men who won the prize getting as much attention as her? They also won a rare medal
[–]el_Technico0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Before I clicked the link I had a strong feeling it would be an Iranian woman. Iranian women are too smart for their own good sometimes.
This isn't surprising. If you are an Iranian woman and do not have classical attractive features chances are you will end up with Masters at least. Generally the less attractive you are the higher your education with Iranian women. That being said a lot of the attractive ones are highly educated too. The culture really pushes education.
[–]OshoB0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great accomplishment if only we had more females in America that work hard like her.
[–]razor51510 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wonder whether the folks at TBP will link this thread.
[–]Fzed600-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The problem is that the people who look up to her will spin this with feminism some how.
[–]Captainboner-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't seem to get why we're making a big deal of this, as if it's something inconceivable.
[–]nrjk-5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fellas, fellas, we're misogynists, remember! We think women shouldn't do math. /S
[+][deleted] -43 points-42 points-41 points 11 years ago* (38 children) | Copy Link
Ok she won a prize. Now let's see if she actually does anything of note with her abilities. Spoiler: She won't.
EDIT: Okay guys, hate to rain on the "see we love women?" parade going on but let's be real, women rarely make significant contributions in the sciences.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
But...she did, which is why she won the medal. Why are you such a fucking hater?
[+][deleted] -29 points-28 points-27 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Can you tell me how she has accomplished anything that will significantly benefit humanity as a whole? Has she done anything to benefit the common human being?
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You know how mathematics works right? All the things you enjoy about this modern age started as an idea.
Theoretical mathematics, especially once equations are solved, lay the groundwork for other tangible benefits. Again, you're being a hater for no reason other than she's a woman.
Grats, you're thinking like a feminist.
Edit (7:23 P.M. CST): did you even read the article?
[–]tyranus895 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can you tell me how anyone who wins the Nobel Prize in Physics accomplishes anything that will significantly benefit humanity as a whole? Same goes for the NP in Literature.
Her supposed lack of contribution towards the benefits of humanity (which I'm not arguing is the case, since the advancement of knowledge will always benefit humanity, and the greater the advancement the greater the achievement) is due to her field, not her gender.
[+][deleted] -12 points-11 points-10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I never said the Nobel Prize in Physics is the prerequisite for accomplishing something significant to benefit all of humanity. I don't know where you got that from.
[–]tyranus892 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Her supposed lack of contribution towards the benefits of humanity is due to her field, not her gender.
Thought you'd understand, but sorry for assuming.
I also assumed you'd agree that Nobel laureates can be said to have done "[something] of note with [their] abilities", yet nobody would say that Physics or Literature laureates have "done anything to benefit the common human being", at least in the narrow, objective view that you understand "benefits" to be.
[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
This is how women earn respect. Or at least this is the kind of accomplished person I respect. The antithesis of feminism. This women does. Her secondary profession feeding into the first is not whining. Feminists, and most women in my industry, for example, do nothing but make excuses for their mediocrity. They face challenges, but then everyone does, in their own way. Nobody has it perfect. I sure as hell didn't make it anywhere on privilege or was even given the concessions they were based on gender, race or ethnicity, either in high school, college or in professional life. I fought for what I have.
And I sure as hell respect a peer who does the same, without whining. On the red pill, we like to denigrate the type of women we don't like. But we rarely call out what we do like. This is the very first woman to ever win this medal, since it was started in 1936. She stands alongside some of the brightest names in mathematics in the last hundred years... I like her.
I like underdogs. I don't like whiners.
The only point I agree with you about is that she is the one woman among 4 people receiving the prize, and she is outshining the others purely because she has a vagina. But... for what its worth. You have to start somewhere. And even though, on trp, we like to say "No, we don't 'respect' women... No, women don't deserve respect by default" you have to realize that that we don't call out the women worth respecting often enough. This woman doesn't just earn respect as an exemplary woman, she earns respect as an accomplished human being. I would rather a woman like this take the podium anyday, and show women what it means to do, rather than a feminist take it and teach them why they should whine. I'm sure all the other accomplished lady writers on Jezebel are hitching a ride on this Iranian's coattails as we speak though.
EDIT: For shame. This is apparently one of the least interesting stories to women/feminist based subreddits(least comments) and one of the least popular stories in the feminist media, considering the prestige of the Fields Medal and what it means. All the more reason RP should give her proper coverage.
[–]Loodu5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Just because the mainstream woman mindset makes her uninterested in doing serious science doesn't mean she can't.
[+][deleted] -19 points-18 points-17 points 11 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
I'll eat my words once a woman does anything sufficiently significant in this century.
[–]Loodu10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Have you done no maths in college??? What she has done IS already fucking significant. They don't hand out the fields medal to anyone. Her works in Geometry and Ordinary Differential Equations make a significant step forward in every field where ODEs are used, such as mechanics, electronics, signal processing and civil engineering. Seriously man.
[+][deleted] -22 points-21 points-20 points 11 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Still not sold. Sounds like they gave it to her to encourage women to pursue math. I doubt the absence of her work would affect modern mathematicians' pursuits whatsoever.
[–]Loodu11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Ok you're clearly a troll.
Or you have no idea how scientific research works. When you have your lectures uploaded on the server of Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study like this woman, they are watched by the best researchers in the world, in order to teach them shit.
Stop replying you're just making yourself look stupid.
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Not a troll. Just saying, if her "contributions" never happened then the scientific community would merrily roll along unhindered in any significant way.
[–]Loodu8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
the scientific community would merrily roll along unhindered in any significant way.
That's the case for every discovery. What discovery would have prevented the scientific community to roll along if it hadn't been done? There's none.
You don't know yet what will be the impact of work. You have no idea how her discoveries will be used. Some maths discoveries we thought were useless in the last century made the GPS system possible.
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I was wondering when you'd make a mistake. I didn't expect this though, you've basically just committed intellectual seppuku. It's pretty clear that without things like the discovery of gravity, or the theory of relativity that science would not be able to progress past a certain point. Cornerstone theories like this make the foundational blocks by which all scientists progress from.
[–]Loodu2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Science could have progressed without the discovery of gravity. It would have been minor progress. What you mean is "a formidable cornerstone". Well guess what, there has been one in the last hundred years, she's called Marie Curie.
A formidable cornerstone in science isn't required to have your work incredibly important and useful. That was what your original comment was about: her work will be of no actual use. Well, you're wrong, and for the "no female incredible milestone" that happened in the last hundred years, you're wrong too.
[–]tyranus891 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Surely there are significant discoveries that could have been made earlier, and yet science has progressed in spite of it.
Also, there are millions of future significant discoveries yet to be made, until which we will always be approaching them.
Your understanding of science is like a video game where there are checkpoints to be crossed in order to move forward. This is not the case with truth/knowledge/"science".
Scientific truths (or any truths for that matter) can be discovered without knowing why it is true, or how it came to be that way, etc. Progress continues its roll like a river around a boulder. Some stay behind to chip away and clear the boulder, but the boulder doesn't dam it up altogether.
[–]kenatogo4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How about Rosalind Franklin being the first to image the DNA strand and deducing it's chemical structure in the 1950s?
You're really reaching if you think women have made zero contribution.
[–]foooow-3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm really happy for the woman in the OP but you need to remember that while Ms. Franklin did image the DNA strand, she had no idea of the importance of what she found. It wasn't until she showed it to Crick who immediately understood the meaning of the circular image that the discovery was made.
There's a reason she isn't credited as the discoverer. It's only because we struggle to find women who do great work in the sciences that today we even mention the technician who did the imaging (Franklin).
[–]kenatogo3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, Franklin was in process of publishing her own work when her ideas were stolen by Watson and crick, more or less. Watson is on record saying she should have won the Nobel.
[–]foooow0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Watson is on record saying she should have won the Nobel.
yea, he's also been called an "angry racist" and kicked out of his job for his ''racist comments''. "She should've won" doesn't mean that she is the discoverer of the double helix - it just means that in his old age he thinks that she should share it with the Crick and himself. I don't care if you want to remember Franklin as the technician who imaged the double helix and want her to share the Nobel prize, but it's obviously clear that she had no idea what she had found and that Crick made the discovery.
[–]leaveslikethese4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude the Fields Medal is a REWARD for already-completed, highly influential work. She rose above countless (well, maybe not countless for a math wiz like her) others to be painstakingly nominated by an elite panel.
[–]WhoShitOnTheCoats5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your username could not be any more relevant to your post.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So you're saying because women don't contribute as much as men to the scientific community that this woman doesn't deserve recognition for her work? You don't get that award without a significant contribution. Bro tip: do your homework before you speak to avoid public humiliation; the way she has
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I'm saying her contribution isn't that big of deal to deserve all the "we love women" circle jerking that is going on here.
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