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Well I can identify with what you're saying. In the last year or two i have tried to go more in the direction of spirituality and mindfulness ... more about the experience and less about the interpretation ... the whole point of this seduction stuff is to find satisfaction in what you do... if you have not read taylor truth I might recommend that... otherwise Power of Now or even go ahead and read the scriptures and also Nietzsche for good measure... but remember it's all about satisfaction, goo…
/r/seduction02/09/12 04:34 PM
1

Yeah sorry to use that word, I kind of hate it, and I hate labels in general... but sometimes you have to point out what's going on... revelation => revolution
/r/seduction13/08/12 06:27 PM
1

Good question but perhaps not the best subreddit for it. IME, communication is the most important thing in relationships.
/r/seduction13/08/12 08:01 AM
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How old are you? If you've never been in a relationship then I suggest you give that a try.
/r/seduction13/08/12 08:00 AM
1

Meet 10 women and don't try to pick them up, just make friends... you will eventually make friends with a couple of them and they will help you get laid!
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:57 AM
-1

This.
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:54 AM
1

Which PUA materials did you utilize to get good at pickup?
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:54 AM
2

Make a move, don't apologize. If it doesn't work out, at least you'll feel good about yourself for trying.
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:53 AM
1

Let her seduce you.
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:51 AM
1

tl;dw
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:50 AM
2

Who ended the relationship? Maybe you got "beta-ized" and you forgot how to seduce women? Just get back in the field and meet more women, it will all come back to you.
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:47 AM
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Tyler sucks.
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:44 AM
0

How old are you OP? but lets not forget what that the goal of seduction is to find an amazing girl for yourself. People have all sorts of goals. Last I heard the goal of seduction was to get laid. Weather you find her at 18 or 48. I'm going to guess you're 18 and have never been in a serious relationship. If you guys have great chemistry, conversation, and an amazing time together I would never in a million years pass that up for one night stands. Straw man. So to all you incoming freshman, have…
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:40 AM
2

Even that question depends on where you are in life.
/r/seduction08/08/12 03:50 PM
1

Conversations are not about stuff, they are about people.
/r/seduction08/08/12 04:04 AM
1

LOL, yeah go for the terrorist fist jab :P
/r/seduction08/08/12 04:03 AM
2

And on top of all that, I failed to play it cool when the girl I really like just told me that she fucked some other dude in his car while she was drunk last weekend. Fuck that, you have no responsibility to "play it cool" when a girl tells you something that is deliberately provocative. All the rest of the shit you said lacks perspective. Life will beat you harder and harder, you will hit rock bottom many many more times. Then you will begin to get better. Good luck!
/r/seduction08/08/12 01:29 AM
3

5 questions game.
/r/seduction08/08/12 01:26 AM
4

Talk to everybody, not just girls.
/r/seduction08/08/12 01:25 AM
5

A review of Models. Now LISTEN bro and listen closely. Fucked 12 girls = Better than 99% of the kiddies on this subreddit. And yet everyone here has an opinion about how to pick up women. FUCK THAT. YOU are the guru, not the people here. I want you to put down the book for a minute and think about all the times you've gotten laid or hooked up. What did all of those times have in common?
/r/seduction08/08/12 01:23 AM
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Need more information. 1 - How old are you? 2 - How many women have you been with? (penis in vagina)
/r/seduction08/08/12 01:19 AM
2

Conversations are not about stuff. Conversations are about people.
/r/seduction08/08/12 01:17 AM
1

Your best bet is to make small talk with everyone... by talking to old geezers and young hotties you will open yourself up to new possibilities... the serotonin will start flowing and you will feel social and have that GIVING attitude where you always RELATE to people... feels good man!
/r/seduction07/08/12 11:04 PM
2

Get a dog.
/r/seduction07/08/12 10:59 PM
3

Whole Foods Market if possible, also go to the gym, join Meetup.com, join OKCupid, ask friends to set you up with friends, volunteer at the local animal shelter, hmmm did I miss anything?
/r/seduction07/08/12 10:58 PM
2

How should I go about this? This guy answered your question pretty well. Basically invite her over for dinner and a movie, then make a move on her after the movie starts. If it's on, it's on. If not, it's not (sorry Mario your princess is in another castle). I'm pretty sure that she knows how I feel about her but I don't know how hee feelings are towards me. Danger Will Robinson We've always been friends but I've always wanted more. DANGER! I'm not looking for a one night stand or just a friend …
/r/seduction07/08/12 10:56 PM
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I've had this problem. The trick is to talk to women like normal human beings.
/r/seduction04/08/12 10:54 PM
1

PM me and I will help you put together a POF or OKC profile.
/r/seduction26/07/12 01:26 AM
3

More info please.
/r/seduction26/07/12 01:23 AM
2

Awesome! Thanks for posting this. I'm afraid this subreddit is not good enough for it...
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:55 AM
2

Was she right, are you a player?
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:39 AM
1

Pretty fucking sweet. Nice work bro. Remember that women will teach you how to seduce if you let them.
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:36 AM
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This is /r/seduction, not /r/socialskills.
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:33 AM
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Everyone's going to tell you the "one-itis, GFTOW" line of advice and it's absolutely what you should be doing. But in terms of practical advice for this girl I think you know what to do, but in case you're just having a brain fart let me spell it out for you. Go back to the restaurant. Give her your number. Wait for her to text you. Then just ping her every now and then, wait for her to dump the boyfriend, and ask her on a date. There you go, non creepy way to keep in touch with her.
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:29 AM
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I was okay with letting him have the center of attention lol I'm okay with this, because he got us all in free without waiting, so I figure he has every right to be alpha. lol He doesn't ask me (which was cool, I had already had enough, but I noticed it) and returns with two drinks. lol Here Nick starts seeming a little flustered. Nick: "What the hell is going on man? What made you think it was cool that you could come here?" He starts pushing me a bit. Me: "I mean, it's a public bar. I apprecia…
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:24 AM
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Golden rule of texting: Always take at least as long as she takes to get back to you. Also feel free to ignore anything she says that is not productive. Feel free to respond to texts with one-word texts like "gay" or ";)". Feel free to get to the fucking point and tell her you want to meet up, or pitch a meetup somewhere, like "I was going to X and thought maybe you'd like to join?" And listen to skywalker, he knows what he's talking about.
/r/seduction17/07/12 07:12 AM
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Most of the comments on that article were actually quite critical of it.
/r/seduction10/07/12 04:04 PM
1

If you haven't had sex, or only had a little, or have not been in a serious relationship... then you might get the idea that women are an object, or a status symbol, or something to please your ego. This idea is reinforced in porn, where you fap, not to actual sexual connection, but to a power trip over some illusion of a woman. I believe it can harm relationships and will certainly harm your motivation to actually talk to women. There's not much talking in porn. Does that help? There's also a s…
/r/seduction09/07/12 07:16 AM
1

Aww shit, straight from the horse's mouth. Good luck in the guru business. I hope you turn out more like this guy than this guy.
/r/seduction09/07/12 06:58 AM
1

Life is overwhelming at times. Can you be humble and accept your limitations in the face of such challenges? I'm glad you listened to my post. I promise dude, you will figure it out eventually (not that I have it all figured out)... I guess if there's one thing to take away from all this, it's that you are currently exploring a great unknown and that's OK. It's OK to not have all the answers, it's OK to be nervous around women, it's OK to be sexually inexperienced at your age and have to make al…
/r/seduction09/07/12 06:52 AM
1

Lots of reasons, but in this case it would be in order to stop reinforcing the wrong ideas about women and yourself.
/r/seduction09/07/12 06:44 AM
1

I have a few things to say: 1) You are young. I am trying to get through to you in pithy comments that fit your attention span and I see it is somewhat working, but on the other hand, you are young and you will not want to hear what I have to say, you will forget about it as soon as I tell you and go do your thing. You will have to fuck up on your own, and fall into a pit of despair, hitting rock bottom, and wondering where you went wrong. Then you will learn something. But nonetheless here I am…
/r/seduction09/07/12 03:41 AM
2

Reset yourself: 1) Talk to 10 women for the sole purpose of making friends. Don't try to pick them up. 2) Stop fapping. 3) Find a hobby that gives you satisfaction regardless of what is going on in your personal life.
/r/seduction08/07/12 07:41 PM
1

Gunkers you sound like you still have a good heart, so try and get a hold of yourself before you lose your soul.
/r/seduction08/07/12 07:39 PM
1

what a creep Yep. look he's standing too close Not a problem he didn't build enough rapport He did. When he got the kiss, I realized my discomfort with him is a huge limiting belief for me in life. No man, he got a kiss and it's OK to think this guy's a creep. Creeps get kisses, it's called "tacky makeout guy syndrome". Listen, this guy is a douche. He was obviously uninterested in the girl. You could tell, he couldn't care less about her. Everything he was doing was for the camera. So you are r…
/r/seduction08/07/12 04:20 AM
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Have fun!
/r/seduction08/07/12 04:09 AM
2

This reminds of this thread on mASF where a "small short man" (his own words) had apparently made over 250 approaches and never got a single number. 250 women and no hookups. That is a statistical impossibility. Even ugly guys can do pretty well. It was all in his head, he was setting himself up for failure every time. OP, if you read this, you just need to grow some balls and man the fuck up, because when it comes to your looks, there's nothing fucking wrong. NOTHING. On the contrary, actually.…
/r/seduction08/07/12 03:59 AM
1

I feel like I got everything I wanted out of seduction Really? Truly?
/r/seduction08/07/12 03:43 AM
2

Of course.
/r/seduction08/07/12 03:42 AM
1

GFTOW.
/r/seduction08/07/12 03:41 AM
0

TL;DR: He's not getting laid. seddit what's the movie with the fat ass teacher who tries to get his friend to learn his 'zen' style of pick up? The Tao of Steve and I think you need to watch it again.
/r/seduction08/07/12 03:36 AM
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It was that fucking easy? Yes, it is that easy. However you need to recognize that the reason it was that easy was YOU WERE MOTIVATED and TOOK PLEASURE in the activity. After a few more approaches, there won't be the same novelty, the same feeling of conquering your fears (awesome work btw). You will have to find NEW motivation, perhaps in some area of your life unrelated to women, in order to have the same effect. And the pleasure in seduction will change, maybe even recede, until you figure ou…
/r/seduction08/07/12 03:30 AM
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It took me 1.5 years to realize you are Zardoz. All those downvotes... Sorry!
/r/seduction29/05/12 01:06 AM
0

well at least you have standards.
/r/seduction28/05/12 06:49 PM
2

This. There's a difference between being giving and being needy.
/r/seduction28/05/12 05:55 PM
1

It's like the hacker community: black hats use their skills for fun and profit, white hats learn the skills of black hats so they don't get played for fools.
/r/seduction28/05/12 05:53 PM
3

getting the balls to make a move didn't win this guy the girl. Yes it did. I read the story too. Girl doesn't like guy, guy makes move, girl shoots him down (aka "shit test"), guy is unreactive, girl gets attracted. None of this would have happened if the guy didn't make a move. Make a fucking move people!
/r/seduction28/05/12 05:48 PM
1

You're starting to figure out who you really are and what you like. Nice work!
/r/seduction28/05/12 06:25 AM
3

Side bump with your butt usually works as a dancefloor opener, but yes, get her off the dance floor and into an intimate conversation. "Isolate and escalate". Have fun!
/r/seduction28/05/12 06:24 AM
0

Sounds like you're overthinking it. You have to have fun with this stuff if you want the magic to happen.
/r/seduction28/05/12 06:22 AM
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WTF is this shit? Problems with this post: 1) It's advice for men written by a woman. As you should know by now, women do not know what they want, and if they did they would not admit it. You can learn all sorts of things from women but only by paying attention to HOW THEY RESPOND NOT WHAT THEY SAY. 2) It's about getting out of the friend zone. There is NO advice in this area, except GFTOW. How many paragraphs does it take to say "Find some balls and make a move, and if you get shot down, her lo…
/r/seduction28/05/12 06:17 AM
1

Talk to Cosy: http://whatwefindattractive.com/
/r/seduction28/05/12 03:19 AM
0

Watch this: http://youtu.be/HRGDq5OEJLM
/r/seduction27/05/12 08:26 PM
1

So, is your foreskin in good shape now?
/r/seduction27/05/12 06:17 PM
0

Occasional masturbation is fine but for the love of god stay away from the porn. It's not realistic and will fuck up your game in so many ways.
/r/seduction27/05/12 06:13 PM
6

Call her right the fuck now and ask her. Do it.
/r/seduction27/05/12 06:08 PM
1

Hey man. I just want to let you know that IT TOOK BALLS to ask that girl for coffee no matter what the outcome. So good work! That's all this stuff is really. Taking action and observing results, then repeat.
/r/seduction27/05/12 06:02 PM
3

Nice work man. You just got nervous, no big deal. Next time will be much better. Did you know the first time ALWAYS sucks?
/r/seduction27/05/12 06:00 PM
3

It could be functional if you want, you will still have about the same effect.
/r/seduction18/05/12 11:43 PM
1

Was going to say... the cube is a great go-to. And Strawberry Fields.
/r/seduction17/05/12 10:20 PM
2

Why is it called the "seduction community" anyway? Why are there 55,000 people who need to learn how to seduce women? Why not a simple relationship forum? The answers to these questions will help you understand why the seduction community has such a bad reputation. The real question, though, is why WOULDN'T people have a snap reaction against such a community and WHY WOULD IT BE A BAD THING ANYWAY? You really want a mainstream seduction community?
/r/seduction17/05/12 10:14 PM
1

Yep, turns out your mom was right all along. Now can we close this subreddit and start over?
/r/seduction17/05/12 03:59 AM
2

It's natural. However you might be making the problem worse by trying too hard. "Don't give a fuck" is a paradox... of course you give a fuck! BUT... once you do something it's DONE so don't second-guess yourself... you can always look back on social situations like you're doing now, and think about HOW PEOPLE RESPOND to whatever it is you are doing... but in the moment you really can't give a fuck about it. It's a moment! I mean think about it. Do you really have any choice about the present mo…
/r/seduction11/05/12 09:16 PM
1

The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm
/r/seduction09/05/12 05:42 AM
1

2:1 ratio of pickup to reading about pickup is fucking mandatory
/r/seduction08/05/12 03:09 PM
3

Conversations are never about the subject matter. They are about people.
/r/seduction07/05/12 08:40 AM
2

All right then, it was probably not your night. The standard seduction script, though, is all about creating an "us vs. the world" frame so next time, work on that. It might get you further! But good work nonetheless, just keep putting in the numbers and you WILL get laid.
/r/seduction07/05/12 04:04 AM
1

Did the other guys hook up?
/r/seduction07/05/12 03:35 AM
1

You know it's funny I would normally say get a dog, but you've already got one. Get a cat?
/r/seduction07/05/12 02:23 AM
2

her friend steps in and says they cannot get separated this night but I can stay with all of them and crash on the couch with 7 people This sounded promising. What happened?
/r/seduction07/05/12 02:19 AM
2

Yes, now get out there and move those hips!
/r/seduction07/05/12 02:17 AM
7

Can't get enough of this meme http://qkme.me/3p40gu
/r/seduction03/05/12 11:08 PM
-5

Who, me?
/r/seduction03/05/12 11:06 PM
3

http://qkme.me/35n2b7
/r/seduction03/05/12 11:05 PM
3

I'm not sure we need to give Strauss any more free advertising.
/r/seduction03/05/12 11:02 PM
1

Silence, a knowing smile, slow movements, tension, eye contact, you got this man you sound pretty awesome :)
/r/seduction03/05/12 04:01 AM
2

Well I do feel like once you have sex with a girl for several weeks you will learn something. I can't say what it is, but it's something. Then again, it's not like it makes you a better person--God there are so many douchebags out there who get laid all the time and never learn anything. But still, if a guy comes onto seddit and asks a question about game, sometimes the first thing I want to know is, have you ever had sex, have you ever been in a relationship, because it will show how much you k…
/r/seduction03/05/12 03:58 AM
4

Well your game is tight so it had nothing to do with that. I could tell you something about "outcome independence" but you probably already know that. If you're never gonna see her again, there's nothing you can do, right? So I congratulate you on your balls and your game. NEXT!
/r/seduction01/05/12 10:44 PM
12

Upvote because you did something
/r/seduction01/05/12 08:33 PM
1

Probably just keep talking. Be honest, you don't have much experience, so say it: "I don't have much experience but that sounds..." or WHATEVER the point of sex is SHARING and BEING and LIVING so be honest with yourself and others and you will go far.
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:11 PM
1

Don't pay for her dinner, don't be too needy, enjoy yourself, act like you have lots of options, challenge her, let her surprise you... then on to the next one
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:09 PM
3

Practice. Basically talk to girls, and don't eject, just keep talking, keep escalating, see what happens. Then afterwards, review and think about what went right, what went wrong. Repeat.
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:05 PM
8

60 years of challenge knows his shit
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:03 PM
2

I kind of wish I had stayed with some girls over the summer when I was in college. Grass is always greener on the other side, and guess what, it didn't work out as well as I had hoped. But, I want to challenge you to open your mind here. One of the nice things about being a guy is you don't have to have a big talk with a girl about anything. If she wants to know your feelings on something she will ask you. Otherwise you just act in whatever way you feel is best. Basically just decide for yoursel…
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:01 PM
1

shit test Just to kind of open your eyes a bit... a shit test means a woman is attracted to you and wants to see if you can deal with it. She will try to throw you off and see how you react (or don't react)... point is... a shit test means GAME ON! Now if a woman is being a condescending bitch, that's a whole other story, your best bet is a stern warning or straight-up ignoring her. But if it's game on, play the game!
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:54 PM
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Aww jeez... dude you've got one-itis... you'll never get that "one girl" with that attitude, putting the pussy on a pedestal like that. Your best bet is to talk to her like a HUMAN BEING You're still trying to find the magic key... sorry Mario your princess is in another castle.
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:48 PM
1

Anything by El Topo
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:46 PM
1

This guy had some success. Sure the "opening" part is online, but the online gaming part is really not game, it's just being likable enough to get a meetup. You're basically back to square one as soon as you meet up, so you'll still get plenty of practice.
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:33 PM
1

You ever heard of game theory? Google 'prisoners dilemma'... i'll wait... OK so notice how the game plays out. If both players cooperate, they both WIN! If one player tries to cooperate and the other refuses to, there is a slight benefit to one and a large negative for the other (sounds familiar???)... And of course if both players choose not to play the game, they both lose... BUT... You get to play multiple times! That's the best part of social interactions, you get multiple chances. So if you…
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:52 PM
2

Read this 3 times: I want you to do something for me .. OK ? .. good , I want you to go out meet ten girls that you are NOT going to fuck. I want you to meet them ... get to know them is OK but not necessary .. but DO NOT TRY TO PICK THEM UP. OK ? This will do a couple things for you ... first of all it will start to break your bad behavior. I cannot tell you exactly what your doing wrong but I know it's something you don't see either ... dont worry , one of the ten girls you meet will tell you …
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:47 PM
2

Just cut it down to size. Don't get sucked into it. That's what I'm doing for now, but soon enough I am going to delete the whole sucker. You gotta admit, not having a facebook will make you stand out, it's kind of like peacocking in reverse... no need to get snobby about it, just be all nonchalant "Yeah I'm not too into that whole social network virtual reality... I prefer actual reality! You want to call me or text me sometime? Here's my number."
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:40 PM
1

You know what to do.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:37 PM
1

is this just a trick that she is playing??? Is it working?
/r/seduction30/04/12 03:02 PM
5

That does not contradict anything the girl said, in fact it confirms it.
/r/seduction30/04/12 02:54 PM
6

lay it on us, sinslayer
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:12 AM
2

Frame: Put the ball in the hoop, that's how you score and win the game State: Getting psyched up before the game, not losing your composure during the game Lesson: Whatever your state, don't lose sight of your frame.
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:43 AM
1

You know Matt Damon looks pretty fugly in the wrong light. Work on your inner game.
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:40 AM
6

OKCupid.
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:39 AM
0

You need like 3 or 4 exercises. A deadlift, a press, the pullup, and situps. Or forget the situps, you probably get a good enough ab workout from the deadlift. A good press is the overhead press, you can do it with a barbell or two dumbells. Squats are hard to do right, you could injure yourself. Go for increased weight... you don't have DO the 1-rep-max every workout but you are working on increasing the amount of weight you can lift off the floor safely. 5 reps is good. Anything more than 8, g…
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:38 AM
-2

True.
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:32 AM
5

OK nonono, you just dial the number. Then you will have it for later. You can also dial it, then hang up, then hit the button on your recently dialed list, and then text, and say "hey remember me?" or whatever. OR you can have her dial you! OR you can just take her home that night! OR you can wait till the concert is over and meet her outside where it's more quiet... and intimate...
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:32 AM
1

Derren Brown's the man, NLP genius of our time
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:53 AM
1

Don't turn your dating life into some kind of meta-narrative, it's still your life and you are allowed to enjoy it and live it and make mistakes and learn from them. Women are not a video game, they are women, but more to the point they are human beings, so make sure you treat them like it, and you will go far.
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:52 AM
5

MOAR
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:49 AM
15

Terrible advice. Not as bad as the advice you would get from a girl, but bad advice. How about this... HOW TO GET OUT OF THE FRIENDZONE Step 1. Decide whether this person you are in the friendzone with is really worth even being friends with, let alone more than friends with, in the first place. Chances are she's using you as an emotional tampon, because there's about a 0% chance she doesn't have an inkling of your true feelings. The kind of person who would kill you softly like that, hurting yo…
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:43 AM
1

YES this guy knows what's up. I have heard from one woman that what he says is totally offensive to most women but deep down they know it's true.
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:16 AM
0

Maybe you're gay?
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:15 AM
1

No, never. Well, sometimes a token drink or something else small like that. But certainly not dinner.
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:13 AM
0

How old are you? Have you ever had a girlfriend? Have you ever had sex?
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:13 AM
9

If you were in my place, what would you have done? I would have dropped all the expectations I had about hitting the restart button and realized that 1) Changing yourself is really hard and really slow, and 2) You will change in ways you could never have predicted, thus 3) Keep an open mind DO NOT LABEL PEOPLE DO NOT LABEL YOURSELF YOU DO NOT EXIST, YOU ARE MERELY AN IDEA OF YOURSELF "Happiness is the absence of striving for happiness" - A wise man
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:11 AM
19

...delete your facebook, and stop watching porn
/r/seduction30/04/12 07:03 AM
3

In a FR, I sat on his lap does not come after There were many IOIs tl;dr: The f-close was in the bag when you asked him to close his eyes, and he complied.
/r/seduction21/04/12 04:44 AM
-2

I think you mean "SOI"
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:21 AM
3

Get him alone, and start touching him. See also the playette faq. Have fun!
/r/seduction17/04/12 06:44 AM
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I've been subscribed here for almost a year and have been in the seduction community for 3 years now. I've been burned by the advice of 'gurus' who only stand to benefit from your continued frustration. I've been a regular attendee of local lair meetings where I met guys to wing with, and viewed their progress alongside my own. I feel like I know a thing or two about this community. And if you can't see the kind of game Tyler and his acolytes are running on you, then WAKE UP because if there's o…
/r/seduction10/04/12 12:01 AM
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Your pickup line was totally out of the blue! I'm just saying, it sounds like you don't have a full understanding of your OWN motivations and feelings, so before you come here asking how to handle situations like this (and there's many things you could do, of course), first figure out what's going on inside YOU and communicate that. Relationships are all about communication. edit: I mean in my experience, I would not necessarily open a girl with "when's the last time you blew a guy" but I would …
/r/seduction09/04/12 08:50 PM
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Yeah I'm on it, been about 3 months now, and my energy levels are through the roof. Yeah it's all based on bro-science. Same with my comment about evolution. I'm just giving you the full picture, so you can decide for yourself. I might believe what I'm doing with women is well grounded in evolutionary theory but I wouldn't presume to have any proof. Taking a circumspect view of all this, I'd say the most valuable thing about this subreddit is the FR's because it shows real world experience. You …
/r/seduction09/04/12 08:49 PM
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Uh, that is like the very basis of human interaction. Why do we do anything? We are just gong to die one day. We do it because of fear and insecurity. We let people lead us and tell us what's good for us. Just FYI. Freezeouts don't have to be about that anyway. Very simply, girls tend to play guys in exactly the same way. They lead you on with sex, then when they've got you hooked, they take it away. A freezeout is what you might call a "tit-for-tat" move in game theory: It teaches the other pla…
/r/seduction09/04/12 07:22 PM
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Listen bro, you are in Twilight Zone territory here. Opening girls with "whens the last time you blew somebody" but not having the sexual experience to make a girl comfortable in bed. Your mission if you choose to accept it: COMMUNICATION.
/r/seduction09/04/12 07:06 PM
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Freezeout is by definition, NOT pouting.
/r/seduction09/04/12 07:05 PM
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Thanks man, it's always good to help clear up misconceptions. It actually didn't take much effort because /r/nofap :) And like drumdance said, game theory is worth studying. Same as NLP. These things are used every day in advertising and politics to control you, so you may as well learn how it works.
/r/seduction09/04/12 06:21 AM
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Yeah that was a bit "irrational" of me, so to speak. I do think men are different from women, we both have masculine and feminine characteristics, and it's that polarization that makes male/female relationships so satisfying. There has to be some yin and yang. But I agree, that was just a tired old stereotype.
/r/seduction09/04/12 12:20 AM
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Who would have thought /r/nofap would become such a force of nature?
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:59 PM
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What I really like about your question is your matter-of-fact attitude. You are thinking like a man: logically. This will help us communicate, as I will not have to let you down easy. You know what your problems are, your "sticking points" if you will, and you want to get over them. Great. You're still not going to like my answer. Men want to stick with girls who have a certain level of attractiveness. I do fully believe a woman can make herself more attractive in a very absolute way, and not si…
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:55 PM
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Oh and the irony that it is NOT masculine to sit around and talk about women seems to be lost on the guys here. Women are supposed to sit around and talk about men, while men go out and hunt and go to war and design jet engines and so forth. But here we are.
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:37 PM
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The "seduction community" was started by Ross Jefferies who taught Neuro-Linguistic Programming to various men who would pay for his materials. So as you can tell this whole community has been infected by moneymaking schemes from the very beginning, and that affects it negatively. DESPITE the fact the Jefferies made a great teacher and NLP is a rich area of study that I would recommend to anyone. Anyway the community gained prominence when a magician wearing platform shoes and a fuzzy hat showed…
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:31 PM
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We should have categories of guys here so we understand where each other is coming from: 0 - Forever alone, kissless virgin 1 - Had sex a few times, no or little relationship experience 2 - Had one or two LTR's but always fucks up with girls you really like (this is my category) 3 - Able to get laid or new GF within 1-2 months. Has plenty of relationship experience. 4+ - Harem territory. I wouldn't know anything about these higher levels. (YOU ARE HERE) (edit: Also I can tell you are probably ve…
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:08 PM
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50,000 sedditors means we are apparently AT WAR with the opposite sex. Sad but true.
/r/seduction08/04/12 08:00 PM
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Oh dear, there are so many reasons why a girl would complain to you and only about 5% of the time they are looking for actual advice, and of those times only about 5% of the time are they ready to listen. And of course your advice is only applicable to their problem about half the time. Fuck, I am dealing with some drama right now. Girls can be so immature. (guys can too but you don't have to be gentle with them)
/r/seduction08/04/12 07:59 PM
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It's a bit better than that, because of the emotional progression.
/r/seduction08/04/12 07:53 PM
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There should be less approach anxiety because you can start a conversation about something situational. Then transition into something direct. 60% of the time, works every time!
/r/seduction07/04/12 07:22 AM
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Stop beating yourself up.
/r/seduction07/04/12 07:21 AM
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she decided to go home with me Sounds like you won that game :) AMOG = Alpha male... other guy! As in, the other guy was OUT and you were IN! You did it man. You did not leave it up to chance, you asserted yourself. Keep doing that and it will become second nature.
/r/seduction07/04/12 07:18 AM
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It's called being a guy, and it comes with the territory. Girl don't usually have to go through this shit, but then again that usually leads to a case of "round heels" where one push is enough to put them on their back ;)
/r/seduction05/04/12 05:22 PM
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Let me get this straight. A woman agreed to spend hours and hours in the car with you, just the two of you, and go on a weeklong vacation together, and you're asking how to seduce her? YOU'VE ALREADY WON THE GAME! You don't have to do anything but shut up and smile and she will do all the work! Let me repeat myself: THERE IS NO GAME LEFT, THE GAME IS OVER AND THE TWO OF YOU HAVE WON. Enjoy the results of your ballsiness, you've earned it. My mind is full of fuck. How old are you and have you eve…
/r/seduction04/04/12 10:56 PM
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.... hold your horses bro. First of all I have not read the link. OK I will click on it, hang on... OK yeah it's exactly the link that I was thinking of. Now first of all I hate Tyler Durden, he's a complete charlatan and total scum for taking so much money from so many desperate guys. That said, his techniques are solid and depending on your moral compass, can in fact be used for good. Obviously mr. TD is not a good person so you can't look to him for moral guidance. But there a…
/r/seduction04/04/12 10:29 PM
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Yes, lol I remember that post.
/r/seduction04/04/12 10:10 PM
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A corollary to this is that Bath & Body Works and Whole Foods are AWESOME places to pick up women, because they are already in a sensual mood.
/r/seduction04/04/12 10:09 PM
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I guess she didn't properly seduce you. I'm sure she'll figure it out eventually, or just learn how to not give a fuck.
/r/seduction04/04/12 10:07 PM
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You have been imprisoned by stories you tell yourself your whole life, you finally see through the bullshit stories that you have imposed upon yourself, and you respond by TELLING YOURSELF NEW STORIES??? You don't exist. Everything you think you are is a lie. Just take a look. Look for the person who you think you are. See if he is really there. LOOK!
/r/seduction04/04/12 10:05 PM
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There are a variety of ways to cause pain and disable someone without leaving a mark. They teach this in EMT training class. For instance you can twist their arm or bend a finger in a variety of positions which cause intense pain but will not leave any lasting injury or visible marks.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 09:41 PM
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Money Looks Personality Talent Lead singer in a band Bassist Drummer (not sure if bassist comes before drummer or the other way around) Good in bed Did I mention money? Dancing Taking risks Leadership qualities, like deciding which diner to eat at after the bars close Money
/r/seduction02/04/12 06:44 AM
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<3 freeze-outs. Props to you bro.
/r/seduction02/04/12 06:14 AM
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You gave a girl flowers before she did anything to EARN them. The outcome was not surprising.
/r/seduction02/04/12 06:12 AM
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The problem with gaming like this is you end up being entirely dependent on "the zone", your mood, your "state" and all that other stuff. What you really need is a FRAME. Here, mankite explains it pretty well.
/r/seduction02/04/12 06:08 AM
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I think the proper term is "double bind"
/r/seduction02/04/12 06:00 AM
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LOL, that's usually more of a pre-coital question, if you catch my drift. And uh, SHE bit YOU and pulled your hair? Errrrr.... what about the other way around???
/r/seduction01/04/12 11:52 PM
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"You gotta serve somebody" - Bob Dylan
/r/seduction01/04/12 06:23 PM
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If anything, just remember that seduction is a conversation, and a game. It's a conversation because you have to share with each other and figure out where each other is coming from. It's a game because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be fun. You want to have some tension. You want a chance of losing the game. And of course you want to win. And it's a game you can both win! Or not. Either way, it's fun to play.
/r/seduction30/03/12 02:33 AM
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Brad P once interviewed a guy he called the "Pheremone Kid". Like Brad, the Kid was in a band and had a lot of opportunities to get attention from women on stage. So Pheremone Kid talked about his pickup method. It was definitely "advanced" shit but it worked for him. After the show was over, the Kid hang out by the bar with his friends, and look around for the girls who were giving him the most attention. He would make eye contact and try to get them to come over to him. Then he would talk in a…
/r/seduction30/03/12 02:16 AM
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/r/seduction30/03/12 02:06 AM
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El Topo and Jason Savage, by far
/r/seduction30/03/12 02:06 AM
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Yes but it's much less likely. It's actually much more likely that you would give your partner genital herpes via blowjob/cunnilingus.
/r/seduction29/03/12 08:37 AM
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I waited like 5 months before getting tested. Maybe I'll get another one soon. So you got HSV2 in the mouth, or 1?
/r/seduction29/03/12 03:15 AM
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I have a suspect little sore on the tip of my tongue, and I think I know where I got it. But so far I've tested negative for antibodies for any kind of herpes. Still it's a nice thought that perhaps I won't ever get it on my junk. Condom every time nonetheless.
/r/seduction29/03/12 12:49 AM
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You know what's funny? Some of the studs I've met, one of whom has had sex with over 100 women, don't even know how to put on a condom. They simply have good taste. Lucky bastards. Personally I just make it a rule for myself, no matter what, any girl who I hook up with the first or second time, CONDOM no matter what. If they ask questions, I just say it's my rule, every time. Kind of takes the awkwardness out of it. No need to discuss detailed sexual histories, just refer to THE RULE. My rules b…
/r/seduction29/03/12 12:47 AM
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Ah now this guy has some perspective. Stick around here bro.
/r/seduction28/03/12 11:16 PM
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"I'm not going to fuck you" Laughs "You're short" Laughs It's my go-to for shit tests of any kind. The other thing you can do it flip it on her. Just take it as her trying to justify herself to you. "I'm not going to fuck you" "Well aren't we confident? I still haven't decided if I'm going to fuck you." (*Actually I don't really like this response because it buys into her frame too much and might spoil the mood. After all, when a girl says "I'm not going to fuck you" she's really saying "I want …
/r/seduction28/03/12 05:54 PM
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Well it doesn't exactly help guru's sell more seduction products.
/r/seduction28/03/12 02:31 AM
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Read this: http://theseducers.com/content/seducers-anti-manifesto
/r/seduction27/03/12 08:06 PM
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If you step back from the porn, you will realize that most of the actors in porn movies actually seem to hate each other and themselves, and are really struggling to enjoy the sex. And that's just sad.
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:14 PM
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This still comes from a place of putting women on a pedestal. You're worried about lasting longer to please her, and fuck your libido. That's ass-backwards. You're supposed to be enjoying pickup. If the sex lasts 2 minutes then that's 2 minutes of great sex! Followed by a second round, right?
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:13 PM
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WHAT? Woody Allen is a straight up pimp! "Let's just kiss now and get it over with, then we can go to dinner."
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:11 PM
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The world IS much simpler than you think. In fact everything you THINK is wrong. Stop thinking and start feeling, and things will start to fall into place.
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:09 PM
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The frame is "inviting". You are inviting her to have fun. These invitations are not always on the table though. You're a busy man.
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:07 PM
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While I was taking a drink, some went down the wrong pipe and I had a huge coughing fit. It was terrible, I could actually feel the attraction fading. I at least saved some face by joking about how I'm never coming back here because I almost died, which brings back the playful mood. You've got to stop overthinking things.
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:06 PM
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You could probably pull a girl completely non-verbally.
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:04 PM
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Try coming at it from a frame of CURIOSITY.
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:03 PM
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OK but the context there is two thirtysomethings of the opposite gender. I will assume the OP is a teenager or in his early 20's. So the context is totally different. The girl was asking whether it was a date because she's wondering if he's genuinely interested in her. It's a shit test, but not a "are you good enough for me" shit test, more of a "am I good enough for you" shit test. The correct answer to this question is "yes". Yes, it's a date, because I like going out on dates with girls I lik…
/r/seduction27/03/12 06:02 PM
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Actually Monday night is a great night to get laid.
/r/seduction27/03/12 05:56 PM
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Except for the immediately walking away part, you've got it.
/r/seduction26/03/12 10:52 PM
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It really depends on where you're coming from and your overall frame. Have you ever heard this mp3 of El Topo pulling a waitress? PUA: How old are you? HB: 21. PUA: You're young! HB: July 1st. PUA: When, uh what, so... How old are some of the guys you've dated? What, like, 23, or like, 28? HB: Um.. PUA: There's a difference you know HB: The oldest guy I've dated is like 35.. PUA: Look at you! So you're still dating him.. HB: No, we're friends PUA: Hey, but with an older guy... (notice the pause,…
/r/seduction26/03/12 10:47 PM
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OK you're doing these DHV things on your phone, but that's really not going to cut it. Women don't really care about those things. If they were already attracted to you, it might make them more attracted or it might turn them on. If they were not attracted, it won't help, unless they are gold diggers or shallow. Your photo routines might help YOU build confidence and that's a great thing, but don't confuse yourself. You're already attractive and sexual tension is already there. Your job is to ge…
/r/seduction26/03/12 09:43 PM
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Wait what? Prove it is a perfectly good challenge to her shit test.
/r/seduction26/03/12 09:32 PM
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Thank you for this comment! And here are some related articles on the subject: Evo-Bio and Sloppy Thinking by Hitori - Part 1 and Part 2 The Pickup Artists' Alpha-Male Narrative Myth
/r/seduction18/03/12 07:09 PM
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I want you in my life Now that I can't have you
/r/seduction15/03/12 02:43 PM
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Actually I believe that guys who have trouble with women don't think with their dick enough. I've talked to some master seducers and they always have the same advice: Love your dick.
/r/seduction14/03/12 12:47 AM
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You probably should! I'm just saying you should approach it from the perspective that you are already having a conversation, you just want to go deeper. AND! The girl is doing something that is inspiring you to want to go further. Instead of: I should be having sex > there's a girl I should go talk to her > talk It should be: Feeling good > girl joins in > that feels good > react to that > conversation
/r/seduction14/03/12 12:20 AM
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It's really not always about technique. Yes it's a show and it's hard to talk, so you have to communicate non-verbally. But you can still communicate. Your frame should be "I'm having fun, now there's this interesting girl near me who is helping me to have more fun, I wonder what she's all about" or something approximating that. If you want to go from flirty to actual rapport then you need to actually communicate that you are interested in having a rapport with her (or just assume it), but basic…
/r/seduction14/03/12 12:01 AM
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Little goals. Your first goal may be to have a 5 minute conversation with a woman. Go and do it. With that goal in mind, hopefully your brain won't have a reason to object. The more real-world experience you get, the more your brain will stop saying stuff that is untrue. The only reason your brain can continue to say untrue stuff is because it has not come into contact with reality enough. The moment you get a dose of reality, your brain will begin to see things differently and new thoughts will…
/r/seduction13/03/12 07:40 PM
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Dude, once you get yourself into a big city with lots of lawyer-type chicks, you will wonder how you ever had trouble with women. Black guys do REALLY well with white women, frankly any American woman. Most of them love black guys and find them very attractive. Your best bet is to 1) Talk to girls, and 2) See step #1. The more practice you get, the more comfortable and confident you will be.
/r/seduction13/03/12 07:36 PM
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Then be grumpy and push away people. I bet you'll get tired of that too, and eventually find a happy medium.
/r/seduction07/03/12 11:34 PM
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Did I fail SO miserably to create any sort of attraction? Impossible. Read the Anti-Manifesto by 60 Years of Challenge. You do not need to create attraction. Attraction already exists as a consequence of our biology. What happened is you fucked up, because you got the idea that you need to do something to create attraction, when you really needed to shut the fuck up and enjoy what you had going.
/r/seduction07/03/12 10:53 PM
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In order to keep her attention, you need to give her positive reinforcement when she gives you attention and punishment (taking your attention away) when she stops giving you attention. Basically the ol' Cat String Theory. Note that this does not negate the adage, "You get what you give"
/r/seduction07/03/12 10:51 PM
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Try a 30-day not being funny challenge. See how you feel after 30 days of not trying to be funny. You might find out you're actually really funny even when you're not trying.
/r/seduction07/03/12 10:43 PM
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See, what if it was the same way with women who you weren't interested in. Maybe they felt silly or embarrassed. You're not the only one who gets to have a difficult dating life.
/r/seduction06/03/12 04:49 PM
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Really, you've never known a girl who you knew was interested in you, but for whatever reason you didn't do anything about it?
/r/seduction05/03/12 07:31 AM
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Think about all the times you had a chance to talk to a girl but turned it down. How do you think she felt?
/r/seduction04/03/12 11:32 PM
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Oh I see, you are having a drink with TWO women, congratulations! Have fun! (Obviously the friend is there to make sure you are cool, so just play it cool, and she will show herself out the door at just the right time)
/r/seduction04/03/12 06:16 PM
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Drop the blueprint, ok? It's written by a total sociopath. Try reading The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm, or A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle. Start there and take baby steps!!!!
/r/seduction04/03/12 06:14 PM
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WHAT???? Explain yourself, man!
/r/seduction04/03/12 06:09 PM
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How about doing exactly the same thing, except letting girls work their seductive magic on YOU?
/r/seduction04/03/12 04:19 AM
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The newbie mission: 1) Get yourself showered and dressed nicely, and go to a place where women are. The mall, a town center, or (my favorite) Whole Foods. 2) Make eye contact with a woman, and if she responds with her own eye contact, or really any response at all, say "Hi!" 3) Smile. 4) DO NOT EJECT. Let her walk away when she feels like it. 5) Talk about stuff, then talk about the differences between you and her, then whatever. 6) Did I mention don't eject? 7) Close. Say "what would have to ha…
/r/seduction04/03/12 04:16 AM
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Yeah, most of the stuff OP is mentioning is strictly LA stuff, because so many PUA companies spent so much time out there. The Cube will work for any young man in any city in America, except LA.
/r/seduction04/03/12 04:11 AM
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You get what you give.
/r/seduction04/03/12 03:57 AM
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The only one knowing what's going on in her mind is HER. That said... she was probably very self-conscious and might have a troubled past. The solution to this is having a better connection (rapport) so you can open up more and be more honest with each other. Also it seems like you were a little eager to get laid, girls are not always cool with that, and would rather a bit more playful back-and-forth. Therefore if you were getting no reaction, do what I do: Freeze her out. Just stop trying so ha…
/r/seduction02/03/12 11:22 PM
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It is however a GREAT way to get your dick wet.
/r/seduction02/03/12 11:13 PM
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Yeah overall there was no way of handling that well, just damage control. But it does sound like you acted ashamed when he asked your age. If you confidently gave 31, or let's say 35 and then brought it down to 31, then he might have felt differently. Ultimately "game" is all about how people respond to stuff, how you make them feel, and a lot of that is just about good salesmanship. In politics they call it "spin". And she's only off limits to you if you allow yourself to believe it. It's her l…
/r/seduction22/02/12 10:18 PM
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I would hope, older men with experience who care enough to help younger inexperienced guys. And also we need some KJ's to just stop posting so much advice and get out there first. This goes for me too, although I have a decent sex life, I have a long way to go.
/r/seduction20/02/12 10:35 PM
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Getting attention and affection is a universal human need. The problem comes up when we start to attach those things to our ideas about ourselves: "If I don't have a girlfriend, I'm not a worthy human being," etc. It's only natural that women have this stupid power over me natural is the key word here. It is completely natural to have sexual urges. There is a power struggle going on between the sexes, and that's natural too. Again, the problem comes up when you start to attach these feelings bac…
/r/seduction20/02/12 06:51 PM
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It's my community too. I make bold statements in order to shock you guys out of the comfortable notion that these "gurus" know what they are talking about, and remind everyone that their main concern is making money. This is the real "cultural deprogramming" we need around here. We need to deprogram PUA culture and rebuild it as MAN culture.
/r/seduction20/02/12 06:43 PM
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Doesn't that sound a little weird to you? Career related, that's something it's ok to give a fuck about? I think what you're trying to get at here, is understanding what you do, and do not have control over. It's ok to give a fuck about stuff that is within your control, and it's ok to not give a fuck about stuff outside your control. Figuring out the difference between the two is an almost spiritual affair. The alcoholics anonymous prayer is "God, give me the strength to change the things I can…
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:38 AM
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tagged you in RES
/r/seduction19/02/12 11:33 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_J9Na2serw
/r/seduction19/02/12 11:29 PM
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So yeah, shit tested by her dad, nice. Sounds like you handled it about as well as anyone could expect. And hey, it's not like her dad is the one who's going to have sex with you. If you really wanted to handle the age issue like a boss, you could have employed some conversation skills, known in some circles as NLP. For instance, first giving a higher age and then working your way down could have helped form his impression differently.
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:39 PM
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I would draw the line based on your own maturity level. Girls do mature faster than guys, so that gives you a little wiggle room :)
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:37 PM
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Don't deceive yourself, you obviously do give a fuck about something, we all do. There are certainly things we can choose not to give a fuck about, but I wouldn't necessarily listen to Tyler and Mystery about what those things are.
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:34 PM
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The seduction community was started by Ross Jeffries, who is not exactly the most normal guy in the world. And just as Ross capitalized on young naive men, the PUA's who came after him would do the same. They pushed their "systems" and believed in them which actually probably game them some good results. Guys like Mystery and Tyler clearly had more invested in their own image (and income) in the pickup community than actually getting laid. Mystery cared more about being a good magician, a showma…
/r/seduction19/02/12 07:59 PM
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"You can come home with me, but we are not having sex" Translation: We are having sex. In case of LMR, PYCO.
/r/seduction15/02/12 10:18 PM
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That last part was a good bit of honesty. I bet that your true feelings helped contribute to the LMR.
/r/seduction12/02/12 08:40 PM
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This should be on the sidebar. TYLER IS THE NICKELBACK OF PICKUP Love it!
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:53 PM
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Possibly because he's actually gay, and doing pickup to cover it up.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:51 PM
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They absolutely put on a front, that is the entire point of RSD.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:51 PM
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Speaking of trains, the man is a mental train wreck. Only watch with morbid curiosity.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:49 PM
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Lets start a new subreddit for guys who are older and have actual experience.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:45 PM
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Or the original source, BradP, and it's 2 to 1, but I think rmbarnes here got it right, it's 50 to 1.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:44 PM
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This guy is one of the only legit PUA's out there. Listen well. And PYCO
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:42 PM
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I think you are looking for Ashley Madison.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:40 PM
1

One time I sent an email to ijjjji, one of the veteran PUA's over on mASF. I asked him about direct vs. indirect and he pretty much explained that there is no such thing as indirect; on some level all women know what is going on.
/r/seduction09/02/12 11:39 PM
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This guy is the real deal. Listen to his little "exercise" and see if it makes sense to you, in light of what you are saying here. (skip to 4:00 if you just want to see the exercise but really, everything this guy says is spot on.)
/r/seduction30/01/12 02:10 PM
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Whoa whoa whoa. Way too much in this post to begin to dissect. I will not lower myself to the point of assuming I know what kind of person you are and what you want out of life. That is for you to decide. Good luck!
/r/seduction30/01/12 02:08 PM
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Once upon a time, a guy named Ross Jeffries started seducing women with his "patterns" and "lines". He had lots of success and decided to post about it on Usenet (the Web was still pretty much nonexistent at the time) on Alt.Seduction.Fast or ASF. It being on the internet, this little community attracted all sorts of guys who were more technically inclined, and ended up creating a bunch of acronyms, starting with FR (field report, because you're playing the field, get it?), eventually noticing t…
/r/seduction30/01/12 02:05 PM
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OK this is great but guys need to BE VERY CAREFUL with this for so many reasons. You handled it perfectly by playing the game. You didn't directly call attention to what he was doing, you played it off. I assume you never directly asked her "is this guy bothering you" or the like. The trick is to be different from all the other guys.
/r/seduction30/01/12 01:56 PM
6

Sex is a conversation.
/r/seduction30/01/12 01:47 PM
1

Right ok, just checking. Yeah it's always so fucked up reading some of these field reports where guys are just completely off in their own world. They are just using these girl like they are a video game. And then they reject the girl and I'm like, wut? You were just hitting on her and now you don't like her? WTF are you gay? And then I come around the next night and ask her to come home and she's like, no I don't want to get burned again :(
/r/seduction30/01/12 05:16 AM
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yep
/r/seduction30/01/12 02:56 AM
2

“So what words do I have to throw at you to get you to fall in love with me?” Try the Ross Jeffries line: what would have to happen for you to come out with me or whatever In retrospect I know why the girls got so angry. I was creepy: it was cold out so I was shivering, I mispronounced threesome, and I didn’t seem convinced in my execution. I believe that if I had executed it better, though I definitely wouldn’t have gotten the threesome, I would have gotten them to laugh. Or at the very least, …
/r/seduction30/01/12 01:31 AM
1

Are you asking if it was honest?
/r/seduction30/01/12 01:13 AM
2

The funny thing about not giving a fuck is that it's a BIG FAT LIE because you most certainly DO give a fuck. I'm just thinking, would my music teacher tell me to play my notes more consistently or just tell me not to give a fuck about playing? Some of the comments here are a little harsh on OP, I think he handled that line of texting from that woman rather well. I hope that he can start seeing these interactions as A GAME rather than a huge exposition of the soul. "I'm used to it" is actually a…
/r/seduction29/01/12 02:43 AM
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Here's the problem. The guys who are getting laid are not posting on Seddit, they are too busy kicking ass and taking numbers. So what you have left are virgins and other "newbs" who are at least somewhat confused not only about what women want, but what they want, and indeed ask questions like "is x sexy?"... this is definitely not the way into a girl's heart or her pants! Women want men who make their own values, set their own rules, have their own shit going on, you know, GUY STUFF!!! Wizard_…
/r/seduction29/01/12 02:22 AM
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Apparently it means "don't be a bitch; don't give a fuck."
/r/seduction29/01/12 02:15 AM
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OK I'm having trouble answering this question because it kind of misses the point. It's called the Apocalypse OPENER. It's a pickup line. It's just a, kind of a screening or qualifying pickup line, to use community terms.... So you know, it's just a way to screen out girls who are not into casual sex. And then to start a conversation. Eh I'm at a [6] right now and having trouble explaining it, perhaps math would help seduction = sex sex = conversation according to the transitive property of equa…
/r/seduction29/01/12 02:07 AM
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He broke Gunwich's one rule of pickup: Do not eject.
/r/seduction29/01/12 01:58 AM
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Agreed. This is the whole quote: Ok. So after the opener I received massive IOI's from her. I IOD'd her by turning my back at her after her answer while playfully pointing my finger at her and making fun of her. Even more attraction. I went into some regular talking like I didn't even ask her to come home with me. She re-engaged me by asking stuff like: "Do you live far from here/how long do you have to travel" etc. I knew I was in. I decided to eject. I had to do more approaches and she wasn't …
/r/seduction29/01/12 01:57 AM
2

Well we are creatures of language, and words are powerful... I just wonder why guys would want to actively "pick up" language that is self-limiting (and you better believe all this "alpha" talk is).
/r/seduction27/01/12 11:39 PM
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Yes. Got a phone number from it once, a couple backturns, didn't really test it out too hard though, as I would prefer something more non-verbal (I prefer dance-floor pickups for instance). But if you do plan on doing it, do it right. Get on nice clothes, don't be too drunk, find a girl who is looking to get picked up and hopefully checked you out first, and then: 1) "Hey, how's it going" (whatever response) 2) "What are you doing later?" (whatever) 3) "Want to come home with me?" And like Ciara…
/r/seduction27/01/12 11:37 PM
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It's basically a hack for "rapport" and a great opportunity for cold reading. Edit: I mean seriously if your game sucks, you could do worse than to literally open girls with "Hey, have you ever been cubed?" or "Have you ever done the cube?" then ISOLATE, maybe sit down, and do the fucking cube. Soooo much game in that game.
/r/seduction27/01/12 11:32 PM
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MDMA helps release serotonin, which is the "everything is ok" hormone. You will have a release of this hormone after exercise and meditation, and generally be in a more "alpha" mood (though I hate that word).
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:32 PM
1

What we have here, is a failure to communicate
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:28 PM
5

Basically if you just STICK TO THE FRAME you should be fine. You don't know what the frame is? Sure you do. You just wrote it out. You're looking for a girlfriend. There's a million good reasons for this and we all commend you. It doesn't even have to be the whole truth, but it's your frame. Right? You don't REALLY know what you want right now, you're young, but you know that you'd like to have a "girlfriend" of some kind. So you're looking for a girlfriend and you met three potential candidates…
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:25 PM
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Or, you know, you could appreciate the movie for its metaphorical value, how Brad Pitt seemed to fail when he over-analyzed every game, every moment, every situation (including coming to terms with his lack of major-league talent on the field)... ... but when he simply played the hand he was dealt, and put in the numbers, success was like a walk in the park. Think about it.
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:12 PM
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I love that game
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:05 PM
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LOL While this is at the top of Seddit, let us all remember Strauss's greatest contribution to the community ever: The Cube
/r/seduction27/01/12 08:00 PM
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1) Yes 2) Try it as a thought experiment for yourself or a friend. Imagine a time 3-6 months in the future, when you're more socially competent with women. You've spoken to at least a hundred women during this time because you made the effort to say hi to at least one lucky lady per day. How would you feel after the last 100 conversations? Do you think it's possible you might feel a little more "competent"?
/r/seduction27/01/12 07:57 PM
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Since I haven't seen an obligatory comment about how all of this shit is just fluff that will NOT get you laid, here I am to post it. None of this stuff will help you get laid. I am a filthy lazy motherfucker and I get laid. If you focus too much on superficial stuff like this it will actually harm your chances of getting laid. And thank you "hatethejess" for chiming in as a straight woman, as we all know women know exactly what they want! /s
/r/seduction26/01/12 08:17 PM
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1) Set reasonable goals. A kiss, a hug, whatever. Meet those goals and then set new goals. 2) Don't allow yourself to be affected by things you have no control over. This is really the essence of "DGAF", as it is quite unrealistic to stop giving a fuck about EVERYTHING but you MUST stop giving a fuck about things outside your control. Happiness will increase 100%. 3) I've had blowouts where I got literally backturned, told off, got dirty looks... all of those experiences make me smile today, bec…
/r/seduction26/01/12 08:04 PM
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M E T A G A M E
/r/seduction26/01/12 07:50 PM
5

This is good. Also I just thought of something: If this guy negs you or her, you can always try to work that to your advantage by going "oh that's cool, you're trying to make fun of me" or something like that. Basically verbalizing the matrix, calling him out on what he's doing, but in a nice way that shows you "know what's up".
/r/seduction26/01/12 07:31 PM
1

Watch the film Brief Interviews with Hideous Men or read this passage from the book by David Foster Wallace (may he rest in peace).
/r/seduction26/01/12 07:22 PM
4

I think this is where you are supposed to escalate.
/r/seduction26/01/12 07:17 PM
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Since I don't have relevant field experience I'm going to have to quote the masters. This thread got into some nice "AMOG" techniques which is sort of what you're looking for. DogSoldier pretty much nailed it, and Mankite had a good followup. The original Player Guide had a few articles on boyfriend destroyers and I believe there was a recent thread on Seddit about it. The other thing I would tell you is that your entire line of questioning suggests you are a little intimidated by this guy, and …
/r/seduction26/01/12 07:13 PM
1

Sorry. I have no desire to be like that. Agreed, to an extent What ever happened to leaving the girl better of than you found her? That's a non-sequitor. You can't tell from a few short clips how much better or worse off these girls were. Hopefully some of them found sexual liberation. If you would like to learn about seduction from the original seducer who coined that phrase, I think you'll find it in this zip file. But please be careful: reading too much about game will make you into a Keyboar…
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:22 PM
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You know that weird jealous feeling you're having right now. That was the whole point of the video. You are now ready to become a consumer of RSD products. The first installment is $450 for a 20-DVD set. I hope you saved up because the bootcamp is a lot more.
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:18 PM
1

well shit I didn't mean to put you off... how about this forum: http://whatwefindattractive.com/discussion Different kind of scene over there
/r/seduction26/01/12 03:46 AM
0

Uh, just sign up and post?
/r/seduction26/01/12 12:50 AM
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Get yourself down to the new mASF over at fasterseduction.com, they will kick some sense into you.
/r/seduction25/01/12 07:26 PM
2

All the sexual experience in the world, available to you, an you care about rating girls HB7,8,9 and worrying a out how you stack up. Don't take your eye off the ball :P
/r/seduction25/01/12 03:23 PM
0

Welp
/r/seduction25/01/12 02:51 PM
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Only read The Game for nostalgic or perhaps motivational value. Personally I am not a fan. edit: I wish they translated this into German, because I'd tell you to read that. edit2: Find a local lair, ask them for recommendations.
/r/seduction24/01/12 10:38 PM
2

I would recommend spending an hour on skype with Taylor Truth (I think that's his skype name) aka TheCostOfSuccess... ... then save yourself the money for a bootcamp and go buy a nice pair of shoes.
/r/seduction24/01/12 08:31 PM
2

But you don't get inner game unless you get out there and GAME.
/r/seduction24/01/12 05:44 PM
2

Everyone likes nature :P
/r/seduction24/01/12 05:38 PM
2

It's cool. Either way, you should read more stuff by Mankite. edit: moar moar You better believe moar and moar...
/r/seduction24/01/12 09:53 AM
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Read it again.
/r/seduction24/01/12 09:05 AM
1

Like attracts like. You were being dishonest by hiding your emotions, and she was being dishonest by hiding her intentions. Stop gaming, see a therapist, cut off contact with people who suck, start hanging out with people who are more giving and loving.
/r/seduction24/01/12 09:03 AM
1

Thanks bro.
/r/seduction24/01/12 09:00 AM
1

Ah yes, thank you for reminding me of that most contrived and commercialized of days. Spammer.
/r/seduction24/01/12 08:59 AM
2

The last girl I hooked up with, she was laughing at stuff that wasn't even funny. It was nervous laughter, and I just rolled with it and pretended that she laughed at my jokes. Eventually I think she came to the conclusion that I'm a funny guy. So the point is, if you're doing it right, girls will laugh in order to diffuse tension. You don't even have to be funny or try to be funny. You just have to play your part.
/r/seduction24/01/12 08:57 AM
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I really like the way you write, man! I'm a dude but I can tell from your writing that you will be a masterful lover one day very soon. Now you want to know how to get to the next level? First and foremost, are you having sex? I would highly suggest having sex with a girl, really any girl, just for the experience. Seriously, I can't stress it enough, how can you come across as a confident man, able to go all the way with a woman, if you don't have that kind of experience? The only other thing I …
/r/seduction24/01/12 08:39 AM
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Lots of guys in this thread who are not having sex. Including you OP, why don't you have sex with a girl and then start talking about your standards?
/r/seduction24/01/12 07:54 AM
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Blech, another guru trying to feed you bullshit and take your money. edit: OK I went ahead and viewed the video. Some good points. I just had an allergic reaction to Sinn because of aspects of his personal life. But I guess this video is not bad. He used to game with El Topo so I should have guessed that he would know a thing or two about seduction. His guru-ness is still a problem though, he talks with too much authority: You have to be this, you have to be that. Not really true. Even in the vi…
/r/seduction24/01/12 07:49 AM
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40,000 readers on a seduction forum. I guess that means that dating has turned into seduction for all intents and purposes. In other words, we're apparently at war with the opposite sex. LOL. But I digress. Friend, you know this girl. She's not just a pickup. You didn't just meet her 2 hours ago. You know her and have talked to her before. You have similar interests. You asked her on a date (AWESOME by the way, way to make a move). So from here on out, PLEASE have absolutely no techniques or tac…
/r/seduction24/01/12 07:46 AM
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This post by TylerDurden marked the beginning of the end of his influence in the seduction community on mASF, when he showed how his "techniques" were weird and inapplicable to most dating situations. After getting flamed for that post, he left the board and became king of RSDNation where dissent is censored and banned. I'm sorry but the guys at RSD are obviously selling a product to a certain set of guys, desperate guys who want an easy fix, and as long as they keep those guys in their little s…
/r/seduction24/01/12 05:30 AM
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The answer to all shit tests, which is what this is, is "Yes, and..." Basically smile and laugh it off. She commented on your looks, that means she's interested in what you're selling.
/r/seduction24/01/12 02:12 AM
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Brother, evolutionary psychology as practiced by scientists, and especially as theorized by us seduction scientists, IS no more than a curiosity, a pseudoscience. There's no way of testing a theory in evolutionary psychology, so all you're left with is mental masturbation. Of course, it's still fun to talk about, so I present to you The Treatise of Love. Recommendations? Learn to dance. Have fun!
/r/seduction24/01/12 01:46 AM
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I could compare it to my experience with politics. First I was raised Democrat, then I go to college and try to be some kind of Libertarian Badass, then I get into some kind of weird nationalistic pro-war attitude, then finally, finally, I learn that politics is a shit sandwich and the right attitude towards all politicians is begrudging acceptance bordering on contempt, with a little indifference thrown in. Because really, how much of an affect can you have on politics? Better to "emancipate yo…
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:46 AM
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Reading/watching RSD materials was the biggest mistake I ever made since I found this "community".
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:39 AM
2

Thank you. Please try to pass this message on to as many PUA-wannabe's as possible, as it will save them a lot of time.
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:31 AM
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Sometimes in a bar, I like to say "let me show you my girlfriend" and then show them a photo of my dog.
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:28 AM
2

Naturally, you're going to want to apply this same ruthless questioning to your NEW beliefs as well. But great job pushing through that first wall.
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:25 AM
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I recommend not ever watching or listening to anything this "Tyler Durden" character ever says. His entire MO is to make you into one of his PUA sycophants, buying his products, admiring his guru-ness, and not thinking for yourself. edit: Downvoted? Not surprising. Nothing to see here, move along.
/r/seduction24/01/12 12:18 AM
1

You're making a distinction without a difference. People act the way they do because they want to, because they feel like it, because the feeling they get when they do things is the most reasonable thing for them at the time. (This, by the way, is one of the foundational principles of NLP.) This girl has her own motivations, and it's not up to you to figure them out. That's focusing on her too much, something you're trying to get away from anyway. Just realize that the two of you have different …
/r/seduction23/01/12 11:58 PM
1

Look at how absurd it is to think about thinking. First you have a thought, and then you go and assume that it was YOU who had that thought, when in reality it was JUST A THOUGHT, which in reality is no more than feeling or a reaction to the environment. You can't stop thoughts anymore than you can stop water from falling down a waterfall. And it's a false assumption to say that you were actually having those thoughts. There is no thinker, just thought. Or to put it another way, a "thinker" is a…
/r/seduction23/01/12 10:01 PM
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I usually cut ties with girls who want me "that way" when I don't reciprocate. I'm sorry bro but this is not the whole truth. Depending on the situation, I'm sure you'd be happy to keep a few girls around for the ego boost.
/r/seduction23/01/12 09:57 PM
1

Happens to the best of us.
/r/seduction22/01/12 01:21 AM
2

OK I didn't realize this was about an actual case, which as you noted is just a few lines pulled out of a 13-page document. I agree with you. While the guy who wrote that "lay report" probably needs to have his man card taken from him, I can't see any justification for taking his freedom away.
/r/seduction19/01/12 08:10 PM
1

YES it most certainly is unrealistic. Think about the analogy of learning an instrument. If you are playing the saxophone and your notes are coming out flat and forced, would your music teacher tell you to relax and take your time, or would he tell you to not give a fuck about playing the saxophone?
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:57 PM
3

What the fuck are you trying to say?
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:55 PM
1

Good stuff. That smiley can be a wink ;) if you want to be more suggestive. Not that it matters.
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:49 PM
2

Yeah I think one big thing that guys in this community miss, is that these "gurus" are getting results and using techniques that are extremely personal to them. Mystery for instance is pretty much running "celebrity game" so that wouldn't apply to almost anyone, but he might actually be a decent guru for Dave Grohl. Lots of other gurus get plenty of success with girls who have low self-esteem but they wouldn't even hit my radar. So yeah, again I think it's all about how you take the knowledge an…
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:39 PM
1

OMG I avoid the fuck out of gurus. This guy is one of the only good ones. And even then I would agree, take it with a grain of salt.
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:34 PM
1

The cornerstone of KFP is escalating and asking her to acknowledge the escalation, for instance, by putting her hand on your package and saying "Look what you're doing to me..." Here's a post from the local lair on the subject: I talked to ET couple weeks ago.. There's so much more to the KFP than I've been using. But what I've used works great. The idea is that making her verbalize what she sees and feels (her state) and your state (your hard on), and doing pull/push (not push-pull), keeps her …
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:28 PM
1

Right, well the more you start acting like them, celebrating their successes as if they were your own, the more you will start feeling like them and you will learn. It's the same way people learn to play sports or musical instruments or really anything. It also requires a belief that failure is just another step towards success. Know this in your heart, that anyone who ever learned anything, had to make mistakes and fail.
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:18 PM
1

Oh you'd be surprised.
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:16 PM
1

CaptainJack would get plenty of LMR because his game was so tight that he would have girls back at his house within hours. They were naturally a little apprehensive about things moving so fast. That is probably the only case when LMR would make sense to me. Meanwhile, lots of guys practice "value/attraction game" which I think sometimes gives girls the wrong idea. If you're coming off a little gay, she might not even have sex on her mind when you take her back to your house. Then all of these "L…
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:14 PM
2

Spend more time with these guys, you will learn by osmosis.
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:03 PM
3

"Relationships are about trust and respect" - Cesar Millan
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:02 PM
1

That little logo in the top left of the "successful" reddit alien, with two women on his arms, does not help.
/r/seduction19/01/12 07:01 PM
1

Unfortunately I think this was marked as spam. Good post though :)
/r/seduction19/01/12 05:36 PM
1

thatsthejoke.jpg
/r/seduction19/01/12 05:35 PM
1

Wow, this is about the only "don't be this guy" post I will ever upvote.
/r/seduction18/01/12 01:58 AM
1

That's cool man, you're rising above it. You're not buying into it. Great, I wish more guys here were like you, because they are ready to buy into whatever line of bullshit a guru spews to them. And then they wonder why their game sucks.
/r/seduction18/01/12 01:41 AM
1

I don't like egotistical replies, or stupid quips about how awesome you are. I find it incredibly arrogant, and its the main thing I was talking about in this post. I'm not out to dominate people, that would violate my own ideas of what being an equal is. Nobody likes that! Game is much more subtle than that, after all it's a game! It's supposed to be the kind of thing you want to engage in and you want other people to join in. Sometimes you're playing the game and you get the feeling someone "b…
/r/seduction18/01/12 01:38 AM
1

friended.
/r/seduction17/01/12 07:10 PM
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This answer is too simplistic. There's nothing moral about it either. Morality doesn't even enter into it, these are morally neutral techniques. Ghandi had charisma, Hitler had charisma. It's up to you whether you choose th light or the dark side. I would recommend the light side though.
/r/seduction17/01/12 05:33 PM
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I don't want anyone else to assert themselves over me Well then you had better learn some game because people are gaming you and literally PROGRAMMING YOU every day, so you would do well to learn the art of communication, which is really all this is. Remember "The meaning of a communication is the response it elicits," good luck and have fun!
/r/seduction17/01/12 05:29 PM
2

well shit, after looking at your comment history
/r/seduction17/01/12 09:26 AM
15

I have a beard, and all the women who are attracted to that are the kind of women I want, and the ones who are not attracted to that are the kind of women I don't want. So I'm keeping it.
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:50 AM
0

no response.
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:48 AM
6

YES I love this woman, and have met women like her. They are taking all our prime targets, LOL!
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:47 AM
1

Nice work bro. She was probably as sex-starved as you, and after making sure you were normal enough, was happy to take you home. You didn't fuck up, and that's usually enough for most guys to get laid. Women are really good at making stuff happen, if you let them. What you did right was go into the date with an open mind, you let her seduce you, you found reasons why you liked her aside from her being hot, so she felt special in your eyes, which is pretty important for a woman. She needs to thin…
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:44 AM
3

Well first of all, like the guy who wrote this FR did so beautifully, anything that throws you off you just DON'T REACT to. Because it's a game and she's expecting you to do something predictable, and not reacting is not predictable so you win. OK so now that we've got that out of the way we can get into actual game. She's basically saying she's hot shit, so you can joke about it with the old "Yes, and..." principle: "Oh yeah I know, let's get on OKCupid right now and see all the hot guys you co…
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:31 AM
1

Well this whole subreddit can't even figure out what it's about, so I'm not surprised you haven't seen a different perspective yet. We haven't even gotten past the infantile grasping stage.
/r/seduction17/01/12 05:08 AM
1

:-*
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:41 AM
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Read the old-school post, The Playette FAQ, by Hitori. She explains that while women might have an easier time getting laid, they have their own set of goals in the game and would do well to understand how game works.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:40 AM
1

All hospitals do research. What you're looking at here is one data point, and everyone knows correlation does not imply causation but it's worth mentioning on this subreddit.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:25 AM
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Dude I was reading Eckhart Tolle the other day and I was SO PRESENT omg I must have been the most PRESENT MOTHERFUCKER IN THE ROOM. I am SO ENLIGHTENED and everyone just wants my dick. Fuck yeah.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:22 AM
2

You can always say, hey let's go for a walk, or let's go to the bar, and then just take her into a dark corner of the club and make out there.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:20 AM
2

Also, compared to the experience of guys on Reddit, I have indeed stuck my dick in crazy and always came out of it intact, both of us better off. I think a lot of the horror stories on this site are actually "crazy guys sticking their dick in crazy". You're just hearing one side of the story.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:19 AM
5

And you don't even have to cheat! These are called "boyfriend destroyers" because they destroy the BF in her mind. You can hold off on sex until she has broken up with the guy.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:15 AM
3

Flippin' the script, always FTW.
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:11 AM
4

She says "Making moves already?" You: "Haha, yeah..." She says "Why should I sleep with you when I could ask any of the other guys I'm talking with on OKC?" I say "Because it's 5AM and I'm the only one here right now." Nice honesty. Frankly you could have busted her on this, it's pretty disrespectful. But good answer. As I was laying there trying to get to sleep somehow I knew she'd come join me. Of course! Game, set, match ;) the sex sucked unfortunately, she was way too wild and rough for my t…
/r/seduction17/01/12 12:08 AM
1

GURU ALERT
/r/seduction16/01/12 11:52 PM
2

Stay on the light side of the force, padawan.
/r/seduction16/01/12 11:47 PM
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Once cornet Obolensky asked captain Rzhevsky, "Captain, sir! Would you share your experience in seducing women so quickly!" "But what's here to explain? Come up to a lady and ask: 'Ma'am! May I stick it in?'" "But captain! That's a sure way to be slapped in the face for such rudeness..." "Well, there could be a slap in the face. But nonetheless, I somehow still manage to stick it in." The Treatise of Love
/r/seduction16/01/12 11:45 PM
0

Don't lecture women... use... pauses... to stress important concepts... with descriptive language... so you can take them on a sensual journey... and escalate!
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:20 PM
0

I don't know, it's not really appropriate to escalate too much in a coffee shop. Usually I keep my distance in the coffee shop and then on the way to the next place, hold her hand, and as some point pull a Woody Allen.
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:14 PM
1

Real men make statements? Really?
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:11 PM
0

See that changes things. Your question was based on real experience, specifically a date. I wasn't sure if you were talking about just picking up a girl in a coffee shop or what. Downvote removed. Still, we don't have enough info. Was this a first date, a blind date, or what?
/r/seduction16/01/12 06:03 AM
2

"i want to keep the engagement...incase things don't work out with him." LOLLERCOASTER Women, amirite?
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:38 AM
-4

Nope.
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:34 AM
-6

Downvoted. First you take action, then observe the results, then report back here. Your question shows that you have not done any of these things and are just asking hypotheticals which cannot be answered to anyone's satisfaction. Sorry please try again, actually take action, talk to a woman, get some results (even if negative), come back here with something more specific, and we will help you. Good luck have fun!
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:32 AM
3

Supermarkets and bookstores are your friend.
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:30 AM
2

Well if she's still hanging out with you, then you haven't failed and can try again whenever you damn well feel like it.
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:28 AM
8

Upvoted because it's funny and this subreddit needs more humor, but PLEASE let's not make this into a "don't be that guy" post because we definitely need less off that. You have no idea if this guy ended up closing, so there's no need to dismiss his actions as incorrect or unproductive.
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:27 AM
2

I've personally noticed an eerie ability of women to detect negative energy. They can't necessarily detect insincerity, and get seduced and conned all the time, but they are pretty socially aware. So if a guy comes up to them and looks like he's trying too hard, trying to get something from them, they will respond appropriately and tell him to fuck off. I just wanted to mention that because it cuts the problem down to size. Lots of guys here are talking about everything from their outlook on lif…
/r/seduction16/01/12 05:04 AM
1

I can't find the "fuck it" switch anymore. Ah hah! Maybe the "fuck it switch" was not the right answer in the first place, and now you need to re-evaluate why you turned to it when you did, why it worked at the time, and why it does not work now.
/r/seduction16/01/12 04:51 AM
2

Feynman was a nerd AND a pimp. In his book he talks about not giving up too much to a woman before you've slept with her. Similar advice to the whole "don't buy her a drink" refrain here. Eventually he just started asking women "Listen, before I buy you a drink, I want to know one thing: Will you sleep with me?" You don't have to go balls-out like Feynman (but that would be pretty pimp) but the principle is solid: Don't give up too much without getting anything in return. Basically don't be a do…
/r/seduction16/01/12 01:12 AM
1

I really don't want to stay home alone, or even worse go out and end up alone all night. That's not worse, at least you took action!
/r/seduction13/01/12 10:10 PM
4

Insert positive message here Sorry for previous snappy comment.
/r/seduction13/01/12 10:08 PM
1

Just to reiterate, "effort" is not the best way to look at it. Instead think of the Ross Jeffries quote: "The meaning of a communication is the response it elicits." Lots of AFC guys put in way too much effort and get nothing in return. And lots of guys on seddit think that if they just put in the effort to "improve themselves" they will get laid, but that's just as shortsighted. Nope, the key is to make an impact which I think you understand, you did not do.
/r/seduction13/01/12 10:01 PM
3

Leshow was just trying to disabuse you of the notion that you need to dress better or always be funny and interesting if you want to get laid. Other people in this thread have echoed your point that ACTION is the most important thing and I'm sure Leshow would agree. Try, fail, learn, try, fail, learn. So the main point is solid, it was just the surrounding attitude that needs work. This touches on the greatest irony of the seduction community: Sitting around and talking about women is NOT MASCUL…
/r/seduction13/01/12 08:05 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/shx6b.jpg
/r/seduction13/01/12 07:21 PM
1

If you're new to the "pickup community" and its bitch cousin, the pickup industry, read this exchange between some of the most knowledgeable and experienced PUA's out there. It should help clear some things up.
/r/seduction13/01/12 07:13 PM
5

Actually it's not the routines or lines that are the problem. You don't go to see your favorite band play and then get upset when they play a song you've heard before. The problem is when you lose yourself in this culture or any other culture. Like the author said, you begin to see women as the enemy, to be defeated. Not cool.
/r/seduction13/01/12 06:13 PM
2

This guy! Happy birthday :)
/r/seduction13/01/12 06:09 PM
4

I am getting weird responses, what should I do? Something different.
/r/seduction13/01/12 06:07 PM
2

Well first of all one of the original realizations of the seduction community was that plenty of guys with money are not, in fact, turning women on simply by having more stuff. At best, they're getting played. Meanwhile skittles guy is getting plenty of pussy. Now you make a good point about social status--money can buy that to some extent. But in the end you're playing a game with status: Who follows who where. So for instance if you're Mystery, you might be able to play "celebrity game" where …
/r/seduction12/01/12 05:23 AM
2

Depends on your experience with women, sex, and porn in general. Most guys tend to see a boost in motivation.
/r/seduction11/01/12 10:34 PM
5

The comic that is the subject of this post is rather prescient. It cuts to the core of AFC issues: That men feel entitled to sex and affection for whatever reason. "I'm a nice guy, he's a douchebag, why doesn't she like me", drawing a comparison between you and another man as if the woman was simply a value-calculating machine that was busted. Nope, the original problem of the AFC was failing to even think about how the woman feels or what motivates her. That was pretty one of the biggest "duh" …
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:58 PM
5

Same here, but I refuse to accept that girls chase value in any meaningful way that I should even begin to pay attention to. I make my own values. I guess I was just pissed about that word: Value. It's part of the "mystery method" style of game (also known as "attraction game") that has been widely discredited, or at least shown to be inefficient, fake, and less effective than seduction. "Attraction is unpredictable. Seduction is predictable." - El Topo
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:32 PM
1

most girls prefer to chase value really positive stuff there.
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:23 PM
8

It will probably suck, and then you get better at it. Like riding a bicycle.
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:18 PM
-6

Ugh, fuck this.
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:15 PM
2

If you haven't read this, read it. Learn it. Try it. Know it. And this.
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:09 PM
1

Try it 5 times and you will have your answer. I usually communicate my directness with eye contact and body language, but sometimes I will humbly walk up to a girl and say "Hi", then follow it up with "I just had to come over here and talk to you" or some variation thereof. But just pick something and try it 5 times and you will have a good idea of whether it works or not. Here try this: How to get a date
/r/seduction11/01/12 06:18 PM
1

It's like the Reddit obsession with friendzoning, and sticking your dick in crazy. Lots of butthurt guys whining over their past failures. That won't get you anywhere.
/r/seduction11/01/12 06:16 PM
1

Gunwitch was pretty knowledgeable about day game. It's ok to hover in the area before saying something situational to a girl ("That dog looks pretty funny..." or whatever). That gets the conversation started, and you can take it in whatever direction you want. Other acceptable openers are "hi", "yo", and "hey", with a smile of course. Or not, it all depends on how you feel and the context of the situation. I wouldn't want you to fake smiling if you were genuinely feeling bad, I'd rather you tell…
/r/seduction11/01/12 06:11 PM
1

Too long, brother, too long. That is to say, I've been reading about pickup since 2009 and I can't say it has exactly helped me. I mean of course it has in numerous ways, with friends, dating, and girlfriends, but it was only the actual field experience that did anything for me. The ideal way to learn pickup would be to spend an hour or two a day talking to girls, trying something new about once per week but generally sticking to a gameplan, and talking about it with someone experienced every co…
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:56 PM
2

KTTVIP is a comedy show and is probably heavily scripted. Treat it as such. You are right that KJ'ing is a pitfall. Casanova didn't buy a $300 set of DVD's, he went out there and hit on women.
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:52 PM
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Write less than she does, don't respond faster than she does, and concentrate on using text to setup meets as opposed to a tool conversation tool. Yup, this is pretty much the key for anyone starting out. And it answers your question nicely. That said, answer the fucking question. Honestly. And lots of PUA's use questions rather than statements. Or more specifically, they ask a question, then another, THEN make a statement. It's called "framing".
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:49 PM
2

Humble game is my entire game. 60 Years of Challenge recommended it, so do most of the PUA's who know what they are talking about.
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:45 PM
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Nice work, bro! Seddit is really starting shake things up... Imagine the legions of player-nerds practicing their lovecraft on the female population. They're never gonna know what hit 'em.
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:39 PM
2

/r/nofap After a week or two, your body will literally force you to approach women.
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:29 PM
3

If I never see another "don't be this guy" post again it will be too soon.
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:18 PM
1

Game is fun right? :D
/r/seduction11/01/12 04:41 PM
2

Still, this is a conversation, and right now I'm controlling it. That's why you're learning game, so you can figure out what game you're playing and try to get an edge.
/r/seduction11/01/12 02:03 AM
2

It's still a conversation.
/r/seduction11/01/12 01:44 AM
2

Are you having trouble controlling this conversation?
/r/seduction11/01/12 01:11 AM
2

So if you had some kind of, I don't know, dialogue with someone, then you might be able to... captivate them?
/r/seduction11/01/12 12:31 AM
2

Now that I think of it, the people would get so bothered talking about themselves and answering your questions that it'd give you the ability to steer the conversation whichever way you want. It's very very clever actually. Thanks! I actually quite like talking about myself, isn't that like a universal human trait?
/r/seduction11/01/12 12:23 AM
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I'm just trying to save you a lot of trouble, man. Your success probably has nothing to do with this kind of material, you are just attributing it to that. It's like the placebo effect, someone gives you a sugar pill and you feel like it cured you, when it was all in your head. I'm mad because no one should pay these hucksters one cent. They have only taken away from people's lives, never added to them, so they deserve nothing.
/r/seduction10/01/12 11:29 PM
1

Oh he's got perfect social intelligence for the kind of guys who read seduction materials. This is the legacy of Mystery/RSD, a subcommunity of guys circlejerking each other about women but rarely getting laid. Sure you might see a guy like Tyler getting a few ditzy, drunk, club girls into bed for a night, but see if you can find any examples of women who have actually stuck around with him for more than a couple days. I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually gay.
/r/seduction10/01/12 10:52 PM
1

Seriously? You can get through that post with all those CAPITALIZED WORDS just SCREAMING how SOCIALLY AWKWARD Tyler Durden must be in real life? How insufferable it must be to be around him? How few women (ELITE HOTTIES lol) would actually give him the time of day, let alone sleep with him? Barf. The guy is a charlatan, plain and simple.
/r/seduction10/01/12 10:42 PM
2

Chick's got game
/r/seduction10/01/12 05:19 PM
1

Yeah I figured you'd say that.
/r/seduction10/01/12 03:21 PM
1

"How to pickup ACTUALLY FOR REAL" - TylerDurden Edit: The original post in all its glory.
/r/seduction10/01/12 06:24 AM
2

I have no advice. Upvote for this beautiful FR.
/r/seduction10/01/12 05:09 AM
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DOWNVOTE
/r/seduction10/01/12 05:05 AM
2

Only to be outdone by niggytardust2000
/r/seduction10/01/12 05:05 AM
2

The situation at hand is the situation at hand. You really have no choice about it, the best you can do is recognize what's going on and try to play along (or choose not to). Did you know I just ran a pattern on you? NLP baby! I got the feeling (key word) your "submodality" was tactile, as you kept mentioning all the little touches in your FR but didn't have much to say about visual/auditory stimulation. So instead of finishing up my pattern with "I hope my voice goes with you like the rain befo…
/r/seduction09/01/12 11:11 PM
1

I haven't posted this "FR" to seddit as it was a bit personal and didn't result in any "solid closes", but let me write a few details here to exemplify just how far off SRS is about seddit. A few weeks ago I ran into a woman still in the clutches of an asshole like the guy in that comment, who apparently exhibited the same traits: constantly belittling her and trashing her self-esteem, yet becoming intensely jealous if the woman began to show that she had a mind of her own. The two of them reinf…
/r/seduction09/01/12 10:56 PM
4

Whelp, I just got banned, it took like 1 minute. I read this post by a woman who was emotionally abused by an older guy and claimed he was into PUA materials, but never specified how. So I replied asking if she had any proof he read such materials. And BAM, banned. Feelsgoodman.jpg
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:15 PM
1

Well that's just girlfriend PR, aka game.
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:11 PM
1

Nobody ever said the truth wouldn't make you sad, but someone did say "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"... I've found comfort in living every day with an understanding that we are all connected, and my own illusions superimposed on the truth will not change it one bit. And yet... of course I see how my own attitudes, thoughts, and emotions affect the course of reality every day. I am typing this for you to offer a piece of my peace, in hopes that your hopes will ascend …
/r/seduction09/01/12 05:44 PM
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Every time I see a post like this, where a guy posts his "latest and greatest" technique for picking up women, I have to ask the 4 magic words: Are you getting laid?
/r/seduction09/01/12 04:23 PM
2

Just sounds like you're a little inexperienced at all this. I'd recommend you follow the Mankite method: tell everyone you're looking for a new girlfriend.
/r/seduction09/01/12 04:15 PM
1

Sorry but I wouldn't spend 30 minutes listening to this Tyler Durden character, let alone 20 CD's or however much rambling it takes for him to try and make a point. He's a completely fucked up individual and I wouldn't trust anyone he associates with (Jeffy's ok in his own fucked up way though). Just watching 30 seconds of a youtube video of this guy genuinely makes me want to puke. If you can't see past his politician persona and cult of personality, you're the ignorant one.
/r/seduction09/01/12 04:12 PM
2

Watch the Jeffy Show
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:49 AM
2

Oh the places you'll go
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:47 AM
1

The Secret is part truth, part lie. Glad it helped you though. I would recommend Eckhart Tolle to anyone looking for help with their own mental suffering.
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:45 AM
2

Listen, if it's depression, then good, you've identified that you have a problem. Maybe you should forget about pickup for a while and work on yourself?
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:28 AM
2

How old are you bro?
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:27 AM
2

HOW ABOUT WE DOWNVOTE POSTS LIKE THIS AND UPVOTE MOTIVATING POSTS WITH GUYS ACTING LIKE A BOSS?
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:24 AM
0

RSD is a subculture of the already oversexed and overstimulated larger culture of music, movies, and TV. Nothing about RSD is groundbreaking, and everything they do is to make men feel inferior so they can sell more products.
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:11 AM
1

Try the train pattern :P
/r/seduction09/01/12 02:28 AM
0

RSD = the devil, stay away
/r/seduction09/01/12 02:26 AM
2

Grrrr.... physical escalation, that is like 2005 stuff! j/k of course it's important but think about what you're trying to do here! You're jiggling the cup for no reason... the cup has its time, just as you have your time and sometimes a shy girl from OKCupid has a little bit of time to give you... but there you are jiggling your hand on her shoulder or whatever, not knowing why or what's the point, just because someone on seddit told you to... deep breath Our time has come, here it is, we don't…
/r/seduction08/01/12 11:39 PM
2

OKCupid bro, learn about it
/r/seduction08/01/12 11:30 PM
1

In descending order of preference, things a guy can say to a girl: 1) Something well calibrated 2) Something poorly calibrated 3) Not saying anything at all And of course you get multiple shots, provided you take the first shot. So as long as you try #1 or #2, you can get another chance to say something more preferable. If you take choice #3, the conversation is over because it never began.
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:39 AM
2

LOI = Low Investment Opener Which means SAY ANYTHING including the most awesome opener ever, "hi" accompanied by a smile Obvious in front of families? Boy you got a lot to learn.
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:36 AM
2

I was a little nervous though and knocked my coffee cup with my hand a little, lol. That reminded me of this short film (about 4:30 in) Now here's your homework. Assuming you've watched the film, how can you apply the principles of DE to your dating life?
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:33 AM
5

And we asked Paul to blog about his dating life on our website... proving his point that more people are interested in pursuing his sort of lifestyle
/r/seduction08/01/12 03:24 AM
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Bro, here is your mission if you choose to accept it. 1) Get within 5 feet of an attractive woman, but not closer than 2 feet. 2) Say hi. Smile :) 3) Do not leave the area. You MUST NOT EJECT. If "hi" is the only thing you say and there is an awkward silence, do not leave, do not try to fix anything, just fucking stay there until something happens. 4) At this point you will either be in a conversation or the woman will have left. 5) Repeat 20 times 6) ??? 7) wink, wink
/r/seduction06/01/12 05:37 PM
2

Also the high school game "are you nervous?" which is pretty much the same thing.
/r/seduction06/01/12 05:33 PM
4

Is it just me or are redheads a bit sluttier than the rest? Red hair seems to be up there with tattoos, piercings, and cigarettes as one of the best indicators of a girl who's DTF. Reminded me of this epic craigslist post.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:10 PM
2

What's more, even if someone is genuinely trying to teach something to you, they may fail because they are only speaking from their own personal experience. Not all of us are 30-something attractive black men or whatever Currie's demographics are.
/r/seduction05/01/12 03:19 AM
2

It's probably propelling you from Mode 3 to Mode 2 (according to Roger Alan Currie's model, which is just a model and not an accurate portrayal of reality): Going from "nice" but ultimately dishonest talk to more personal and personable kinds of talk. Also note that RAC tries to fit everything into his model, that is pretty much the opposite of being scientific. Of course, I agree with much of what he says, it's just the attitude he uses to convey it sounds like the same pseudo-messianic garbage…
/r/seduction05/01/12 12:37 AM
1

But metagame is still game!
/r/seduction04/01/12 01:03 AM
6

Try this: When a girl kinos you, kino her back. When she stops kinoing you, stop kinoing her back. It's called mirroring. Think about how powerful it is, you're rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior...
/r/seduction03/01/12 11:39 PM
3

Nah, don't listen to women, they have no idea what they are talking about here. In that first 2 minutes a woman can have a number of different reactions: 1) This guy is attractive 2) This guy is not attractive and I wouldn't be interested 3) I've never met a guy like this before and I have no idea what to make of him 4) This guy seems untrustworthy, whatever his attractiveness 5) This guy seems like a "nice guy", see option 2. 6) I am ovulating right now and it doesn't matter who this guy is as …
/r/seduction03/01/12 11:35 PM
1

Whoa, you are becoming a motherfucking seduction scientist, nice post.
/r/seduction03/01/12 06:05 AM
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Ironic because the OP's post is actually begging the question ;)
/r/seduction03/01/12 03:15 AM
8

Apparently someone from Trojan, perhaps a specialized team, went and measured about 11,000 dicks and found the average length to be between 5.2 and 6.2 inches and average girth from 4.7 to 5.1 inches. And it grows with age. I suspect you're a little self conscious in general and you're just blaming it on your penis. Don't do that, it needs love and attention. Instead, give it some experience and it will perform beyond your wildest expectations!
/r/seduction03/01/12 03:13 AM
12

Game is stale. Metagame is where it's at.
/r/seduction03/01/12 02:48 AM
1

I really thought this article hit home on so many points, so I thought I'd share it with you. Good luck and have fun!
/r/seduction03/01/12 02:37 AM
1

What do you think about this?
/r/seduction03/01/12 02:33 AM
3

I figured you might not get the reference :) Here
/r/seduction02/01/12 11:43 PM
2

In the past few months I'd put some distance between us intentionally just because I found hanging out with her somewhat emasculating. She is Woman 2. This is what I'm most impressed by. Nice work handling your bizness, my man.
/r/seduction02/01/12 08:45 PM
2

To each his own ;) I'd say you are pretty lucky to find this girl and there's no reason you wouldn't get feelings for her, but... One-itis is where you build up an image in your mind about her and get invested in. Then when the reality doesn't match the fantasy you get a bad reaction. You've got the wool pulled over your eyes man, wake up! We don't need to know the HB rating of every girl... this game is all about satisfaction. I take it you don't have much experience with women. So this looks l…
/r/seduction01/01/12 07:04 PM
2

Exactly how interested is this girl in firearms? What's that all about anyway?
/r/seduction01/01/12 06:19 PM
4

I tried seddit, I really did. It's like the blind leading the blind around here though. What about your friends, you didn't mention anything about them. Were they having fun?
/r/seduction01/01/12 06:07 PM
2

Wide spread approval would be her legs spread wide! Nice work but don't be afraid to try the Woody Allen method ;)
/r/seduction01/01/12 05:08 AM
2

What's that question mark there?
/r/seduction27/12/11 08:02 AM
3

I'm a masochist.
/r/seduction27/12/11 08:02 AM
1

Who the fuck are you buddy?
/r/seduction27/12/11 08:00 AM
-1

Downvote!
/r/seduction27/12/11 07:59 AM
1

Me: Oh really? Well, what is it about you that makes guys do this? Her: Haha I don't know. You: (Something else probing with a slightly deadpan tone) Her: (OMG) You: (Silence) Her: Something You: Something about that, which shows you understand where she's coming from Her: (Wow this guy is amazing)
/r/seduction23/12/11 06:44 AM
1

Maybe my standards are impossibly high? Maybe.
/r/seduction23/12/11 06:42 AM
1

This for the basic overview, but if you really want to be a geek about it and potentially waste years of your life on mental masturbation, here's a zip file of about a hundred different things related to human behavior.
/r/seduction23/12/11 06:41 AM
3

funny, cocky, clever, tacky, pushy, touchy feely, silly, teasing, pleasing, pleasuring, releasing
/r/seduction23/12/11 06:37 AM
2

How was I being a dick. You asked for tips/tricks to avoid fapping for a longer time, I gave them.
/r/seduction21/12/11 08:26 PM
-1

If you're going to downvote, why don't you explain why?
/r/seduction21/12/11 07:55 PM
2

Once a week is not bad. If you want to get past that point, though, you have to find a way to grow up and "ride the wave" of your primitive urges. Your sex drive is a motivation to (pro)create, and it can be sublimated into a motivation to create real things in real life. Get it?
/r/seduction21/12/11 07:47 PM
2

Whoa nelly! Careful bro you might just miss something important here. Yes, porn is unrealistic, yes the women in the videos hate doing what they are doing, they are all faking it, the men are faking it too, they actually have to work to get that load out. They all hate each other and fuck each other. It's disgusting. Shaved apes, bumping against each other. It should NOT be erotic but it is, to an undersexed teenage male. I've been there. But I will tell you, women do like being used as objects.…
/r/seduction21/12/11 07:45 PM
1

Say hi to people. Get used to social interaction. Make an account on okcupid perhaps?
/r/seduction21/12/11 03:52 PM
1

Ouch. Sorry bro, but I've been there before and you're still in for some heartache. I had an ex who I pursued for years after we broke up and it got me nothing but pain. I should have just forgotten about her and moved on ASAP, now that I have a chance to look back. Just one man's experience...
/r/seduction21/12/11 03:46 PM
2

Dude, she totally wants you. All you have to do is SHOW UP and SHUT UP.
/r/seduction20/12/11 08:47 PM
1

I'd like to mention that I've never been told it's too soon, but I have been brushed away and looked at in a way that's a mix between too soon and teasing (it usually comes with a smile). Seduction! Girls are awesome like that.
/r/seduction20/12/11 08:45 PM
3

The ultimate escalation move: Putting her hand on your crotch and saying "Look what you're doing to me" Alternatively: Touching her somewhere (anywhere sensual) and saying "you like that?" Notice how it asks for her participation but doesn't demand it.
/r/seduction20/12/11 08:10 PM
1

No problem, there's a little-known board run by the guy who wrote that pdf, come check it out.
/r/seduction20/12/11 06:09 PM
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Cool, well I'd say you have something to teach us ;) If you want to know more about seduction in general, read this. As you may have figured out, opening is not really the issue here, it's how do you keep the seduction going. Hopefully that pdf will point you in the right direction.
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:49 PM
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Hey man, I like the honesty. Like, seriously. Good stuff. Obviously the first rule of dating is HAVE YOUR OWN SHIT GOING ON. So if you don't have that taken care of then work on that first. Just have a hobby or something you can be proud of. If you're going out to talk to women, it helps to work out (lifting/running) before you go out. Because at least you did that, at least you had an accomplishment you can be proud of that day. As far as talking to women and getting them into bed goes, the key…
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:36 PM
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If you just broke up with a girl of 4 years and you're talking to us about the guy she's with now... then your emotions are probably running high right now and you might not even be in the right frame of mind to hook up with new girls. Not that it won't happen, but you have to work on YOU for a while until you're more stable emotionally. Eventually you will form a connection with a girl and one thing will lead to another. Logistics have a way of taking care of themselves when you have a good con…
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:26 PM
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Downvoted. No more hypothetical questions, instead TEST and REPORT.
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:22 PM
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building sexual tension Guess what, sexual tension just builds. You're just doing things that get in the way of that, so my advice to you is DO LESS. giving excuses to touch When the moment feels right, go for it. No excuse needed.
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:21 PM
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I think you need to work on your operant conditioning. When a guy does something you either a)like or b)want him to do more of, for whatever reason... then reward it! Rewards can range from smiling, giving compliments, or grabbing his ass. When a guy does something you either a)don't like, or b)want him to do less of, for whatever reason... then punish it! Punishments can range from turning your attention elsewhere, to telling him off, to a slap in the face. Notice the range of punishments and r…
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:18 PM
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How much sexual experience do you have?
/r/seduction20/12/11 05:11 PM
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And usually when I do it right, I can feel each muscle working in tangent with the others. Yep. And one way of making sure all the muscles are working together is... a strong grip!
/r/seduction20/12/11 04:57 PM
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Careful bro, squats are dangerous if you don't know how to do them properly. Stick with the deadlift, you'll get the same effect with less risk.
/r/seduction20/12/11 04:55 PM
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Remember that seduction is more powerful than you or her, it's one of those "greater than the sum of its parts" situations. It's unpredictable and you can only loosely control the situation but ultimately it's out of your control. You have to let your balls hang and swing proudly from left to right. If it was meant to happen, it was meant to happen. If not, it was a learning experience.
/r/seduction20/12/11 04:52 PM
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/r/resocialization
/r/seduction20/12/11 04:50 PM
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Let Neil Strauss teach you
/r/seduction16/12/11 11:11 PM
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Average = I am the 50% Frustrated = Why doesn't the world revolve around me? Chump = "You're a sales manager? That's sooooooo interesting." Work on one thing at a time. Good luck. Edit: Actually I just thought of something. Average persistent chumps - laid Above-average frustrated chumps - laid Average frustrated savvy guys - laid But AFC? Fuhgeddaboutit.
/r/seduction16/12/11 07:08 PM
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Good work, young man. No need to overthink things, you might miss what's right in front of you
/r/seduction16/12/11 06:51 PM
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Wow, what a disgusting article.
/r/seduction16/12/11 06:48 PM
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Congratulations you're an AFC.
/r/seduction16/12/11 06:25 PM
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"Hi" is the best opener. If you can't keep a conversation going for 5 minutes then that's where you need to work, not on the opener. Watch this, follow the 4 steps outlined by the guy in the video, repeat 20 times, and report back with results. Good luck!
/r/seduction16/12/11 05:40 PM
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Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Dude. Dude. Ask the question again, and I'll see if I can answer it for you.
/r/seduction16/12/11 05:28 PM
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looking at her nails See, this is where you take her hand. See how easy seduction is? The path is laid out for you... just have to walk it.
/r/seduction16/12/11 05:25 PM
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Have you ever done the cube? Never mind the discussion I'm getting into with the OP, it's kind of esoteric and we're probably going to end up talking past each other. Truth is, I have no problem with routines, in fact I have no problem with ANY technique as long as you build true confidence eventually. Cube is fun, and women love it. You could do that on every girl in your town and the ones who haven't gotten cubed will ask you to do it. It's just light-hearted fun. And do you think audiences re…
/r/seduction16/12/11 05:22 PM
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Spoken like a true politician.
/r/seduction16/12/11 05:19 PM
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What do you think about El Topo, who used to work for the original "Mystery Method Inc." and taught A/C/S model, but then things started changing. First he wrote scripts for guys with material from their life, which still conformed to the "standard" model, but then he dropped the scripts altogether and when he coached guys, he would pretty much give the same advice: Ask a question Ground it Ask it again, dig deeper Frame/define I met the guy and heard that from him, and saw it in this video. Not…
/r/seduction16/12/11 04:47 PM
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Classic post: Confidence, attraction, and going beyond pickup by Chopin A friend of mine told me the best advice to get women: Have your own shit going on. I mean, that's like bare minimum stuff. Not even touching the stuff OP wrote here, which is great. Just bare minimum, you must have your own shit going on, in one way or another.
/r/seduction16/12/11 04:39 PM
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Nope nope nope, it's actually not very honest to disclose this to someone you just met because you have no idea what kind of relationship you will persue with her in the future. FIRST have sex THEN talk relationships. Unless, of course, she asks you to clarify really early on, but depending on how early she asks, you can use that to either 1) screen her out for being needy/gold-digger/inexperienced, or 2) bust on her (you know, neg her like the OP is so upset about) for asking too early, this wi…
/r/seduction15/12/11 05:55 PM
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You're in some rough terrain, old man. These parts are filled with 19-year-old hormone-fueled virgins with the attention span of an insect... I hope you get through to some of them, but if your morale starts to dip I can recommend a few other forums where your message will be better received. And great advice! Thanks!
/r/seduction15/12/11 05:51 PM
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TOP TEN THINGS KILLING THE SEDUCTION COMMUNITY A lack of actual players who are getting laid Too many keyboard jockeys who would rather talk about getting laid than get laid Wannabe's, tryhards, forever betas. Either man up or go full omega. "Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda Pickup artist "gurus" Guys who are so successful at pickup that they have no respect for women and give them the ol' pump and dump. And I'm being generous here, OP. Because usually those "assholes" who move on to the ne…
/r/seduction15/12/11 05:41 PM
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Here you go, bro, the difference between frame and state. Just take it easy and yes, the unpredictable sexual tension IS sex just as much as sex is sex.
/r/seduction14/12/11 11:33 AM
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I think state is really my biggest problem. My State is often really bad. I’m bored at parties. People there are boring and piss me of, I can’t stand all that shit. If I’m bored I am boring, if I’m frustrated I’m frustrating. No amount of material prevents you from getting somebody else into a bad mood. There is only so much I can do for getting into state. At the moment I only go out if I’m in a good mood. Everything else is wasted time. Even if that means going out 2 times per week instead of …
/r/seduction13/12/11 07:48 PM
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And then when the moment is right... PYCO!
/r/seduction13/12/11 07:44 PM
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You don't have to hit all the notes perfectly, all that matters is that you keep playing if you miss a note. The show must go on.
/r/seduction13/12/11 07:38 PM
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Come over to Cosy's forum for a dose of coolness and some advice from really chill guys who like physical/non-verbal game.
/r/seduction13/12/11 07:35 PM
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OK so it seems you getting laid is somewhere here... I’m not even fat, she tells me it was already broken, we move the mattress onto the floor, she takes off her skirt, I realise I need to sack-up immediately and go in for the kill – although this has basically already been done for me, and that I’m fucked with work either way, she is super receptive. somewhere here? But it was super awkward we didn’t really click through it and I got in my own head way too much. Still it’s another number, Ill p…
/r/seduction12/12/11 06:11 AM
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DO NOT EJECT. DO NOT LEAVE THE INTERACTION UNTIL IT IS OVER. For some guys I would even say, don't leave until she is literally calling the police. But since you seem to be a rather gentle fellow, I couldn't see that happening. At worst I could see a girl giving you a smile and letting you down easy. At worst. And at best you could have a beautiful woman in your bed teaching you how to make out. No need to put pressure on yourself. Your goal is to NOT EJECT, that is all. Simply stay there and ke…
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:25 AM
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I met a guy once who was pretty good with women. He told me his "game plan" was pretty much this: 1) Talk to a girl 2) Ask questions, starting general and becoming more specific. Questions about her life and work and what she likes to do for fun. 3) Moving on to the next question until she answers a question in a way that interests him. Like if it turns out she's a Cowboys fan (barf, I know) then he will talk about the Cowboys with her because it interests him. 4) Eventually ask her on a date an…
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:19 AM
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Or you can learn the cube.
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:16 AM
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There's a couple ways to go about this. You could decide that you're going to be a scientist of social skills and no matter what happens you're going to try new things until something works. And we define "works" here as finding something that makes people respond and then later, finding things that make people respond positively or negatively or however you want. In such an endeavor it would not matter what you say or do, only that you say or do SOMETHING and see how people respond to it. Over …
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:15 AM
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My friend, your usage of the word "manipulate" is manipulative. You're trying to influence our opinion of what guys are actually doing. Yellow flag for you! All communication is manipulation on some level. Intentions are very important and I have not seen guys on seddit upvote guys with bad intentions. There is nothing wrong with learning how to be a better communicator. Don't even try to deny that you like being manipulated. We go to movies in order to be manipulated, allowing the movie to take…
/r/seduction12/12/11 02:57 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that it's an actual "community" where people might stay for more than 2 weeks to whine. That's unfortunate.
/r/seduction12/12/11 02:51 AM
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Can I get a tl;dr, because I'm not sure what actually happened.
/r/seduction11/12/11 10:44 PM
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I really like your response man, sounds like you've got a pretty good lifestyle. I didn't mean to turn it into a playing/getting played dichotomy but that in that particular exchange, it seemed an apt description of what happened.
/r/seduction10/12/11 03:07 AM
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What was your life/career/hobby background before you got into pickup? Would you say it's important for a man to have his own shit going on, in order to be confident enough to pick up women?
/r/seduction09/12/11 12:10 AM
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Oh look. Another pickup guru, ready to take your money and tell you what you want to hear.
/r/seduction08/12/11 10:55 PM
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The most underappreciated form of escalation is proximity: Getting closer. So, if you're with a girl and you're feeling good about how it's going, just move a little closer, make things more intimate. Congratulations you have escalated. Edit: OK I read the rest of your post and uh... faux-dating What exactly were you two doing? We still talk, but it is awkward. Interesting. How is it awkward? Who is it awkward for? so the point of this meeting is to a. Explain myself b. apologize for any emotion…
/r/seduction08/12/11 10:43 PM
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I agree with this to an extent. There's a million different kinds of LMR/ASD... sometimes a girl will say upfront "we're not having sex", sometimes they will not get into bed knowing where it will lead, sometimes they will push away your hand if it goes too far south or whatever... But the thing they have in common is that the girl is not taking responsibility for her actions. Personally I find this attitude annoying but it's unfortunately common among women under 25. Either way, the solution I …
/r/seduction08/12/11 10:28 PM
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Great! Glad I could help. Notice how this discussion includes very little talk about actual "game" (i.e. tactics/techniques) because the truth is, most guys have perfectly good game: They know how to ask a girl out, how to get dressed for a date, or whatever else it takes to get laid (except perhaps experience escalating). What really causes men and women to have problems in the dating game is not knowing what you want and how to find satisfaction in what you're doing. Both sexes have this probl…
/r/seduction08/12/11 10:18 PM
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You probably did everything right except having standards for what you're willing to put up with. If you were at a job that you liked but your boss said "well I have to stop paying you but you're welcome to come in and keep working" what would you say? but I'm cool with it and won't turn down the opportunity for a hot girl friendship in my life. There's no such thing as a "hot girl friendship" here. It's called the friend zone, and it's not where you want to be. The suffering is immense and the …
/r/seduction08/12/11 07:02 PM
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She sticks around for a week or two and we just have fun like this. She came by last night and told me she wants to stop "being physical," but that she'd like to be friends. I wasn't sure how to take this, but I'm cool with it and won't turn down the opportunity for a hot girl friendship in my life. It turns out her old love interest has moved back into her life. Whoa whoa whoa!!!!! Danger Will Robinson! You just got played. edit: Of course, congratulations with all the positive changes in your …
/r/seduction08/12/11 06:02 PM
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I think I got way too over my head cause I took her notebook, wrote my name in it, and was like "this was fun, find me online". LOL wtf. Noted for next time. I don't see a problem with this. Don't overthink it, it sounds like you're having fun with your game so keep it up. And of course I agree that this subreddit is mostly inhabited by 16-19 year olds with inane questions... the solution is to downvote annoying shit and upvote anything related to actual encounters with women and RESULTS. If a s…
/r/seduction08/12/11 05:59 PM
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That would be a good point, if the guy did the same thing he had done before and he learned nothing, or there was nothing to be learned. But in this case he did something new and found something out. It's perfectly fine to call this a field report. And if you've been here any length of time you know that posts like these are actually rare. Seriously. Guys on seddit rarely take action, they usually just KJ, get bored, and leave. So we need to promote stuff like this. Also he asked for her number!
/r/seduction06/12/11 03:51 PM
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You never know fo sho, bro, till you make the ho say no. - Gunwitch
/r/seduction06/12/11 02:49 AM
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You didn't get played per se, it's a game and you're both still players in the game right? No need for "escalation ladders" after you've sealed the deal. All you need to know about escalation is get into her personal space and make her feel good. PYCO literally and figuratively.
/r/seduction06/12/11 02:43 AM
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This is what we upvote around here. A man who takes action and posts results. "I'm sitting in starbucks" better damn well involve you talking to a girl or may God help you.
/r/seduction06/12/11 02:36 AM
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PM me and I'll send you some Ross Jeffries stuff. Still the best way to learn NLP (other than trial and error).
/r/seduction05/12/11 11:43 PM
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The whole point of playing games is that it's A GAME THAT YOU BOTH CAN WIN as long as you both play your part!
/r/seduction05/12/11 07:44 PM
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"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind." - Bob Marley
/r/seduction05/12/11 05:42 PM
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It's funny how we spend so much time talking about game that we forget how great it is to actually play a game of any kind with women.
/r/seduction05/12/11 05:38 PM
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This one is from Mankite: Hey I saw Santa at the mall today... (pause) He called me a ho! (pause) Three times! (wait for it) (Remember that delivery is like, 90% of the joke)
/r/seduction05/12/11 01:23 AM
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Agreed to some extent; Ross Jefferies is the most obvious example of a pickup guru (admittedly THE original pickup guru) shitting on all the other gurus. However, Sleazy was the real deal on mASF and his motivation for "debunking" the seduction community was pure: He just wants guys to get laid as naturally as possible without any "methods", "systems", or jargon, certainly without buying into a pickup culture of any kind, like the kind of culture RSD promotes. So ask him anything! And of course …
/r/seduction02/12/11 12:40 AM
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Careful, my little firecracker. These are powerful forces you're dealing with here.
/r/seduction01/12/11 03:46 AM
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Do girls often have morning sex after a one night stand? Yes. Once you've "broken the seal" there's no ASD, no LMR, so usually they want another couple rounds. I guess I could be talking about older women here, perhaps younger women would actually catch some ASD after doing the deed and get "buyer's remorse" but that can have as much to do with the guy's attitude as the girl's. Is it wrong to drop out like that and just leave a number on paper? Right and wrong here are mostly your own standards.…
/r/seduction30/11/11 07:56 PM
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That first hug is a good escalation. Just a big bear hug when you meet her. Let your arms take time to leave her waist. Actually sitting down for coffee could be on a couch or across from each other. It doesn't matter really, the key is to be constantly on the verge of taking her out back behind the dumpster and fucking her senseless but being a gentleman and minding your coffee. Then when the date is nearly over take her outside and give her a kiss.
/r/seduction30/11/11 06:29 PM
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Sup bro. Here's the classic El Topo method of getting into deeper conversation. You're welcome. Ask a question. (e.g. "What are you attracted to most in a guy?") Ground the question with something personal. (e.g. "It's just that I'm really fascinated by how guys and girls are attracted to different things, yadayada...") Ask the question again or ask something more probing. (e.g. "So what has a guy done that really turned you on?") Give some kind of approval/framing/opinion on what she said. (e.g…
/r/seduction30/11/11 06:13 PM
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How about this. Can you be in a bed, naked, with a girl, also naked, for 30 minutes? No penetration, no sexytime. Just naked. And stuff. See how you feel after 30 minutes. Chances are it'll be the best sex you've ever had.
/r/seduction30/11/11 06:08 PM
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It was a question about one girl that he got to be friends with, but he insisted that he wasn't attracted to her, and yet he was pontificating about how she acts around him, asking "why isn't she attracted to me, what did I do wrong"? IMO he didn't do anything wrong except figuring out how he feels about her.
/r/seduction29/11/11 11:32 PM
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The Universal Rough Sex Maneuver: Grabbing a bunch of her hair right in the back or on top of her head. Just taking full control over her head by her hair. I recommend pushing her head into the pillow as you fuck her from behind, or just generally moving her around. And bonus pickup advice, why not? The Ultimate Escalation: Putting her hand on your dick and saying "look what you're doing to me". This is $$$$ for multiple reasons. 1) Escalation, 2) Girls love dicks and it turns them on, 3) It's b…
/r/seduction29/11/11 11:28 PM
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A field report means you played the field, which you did. A lay report means you got laid.
/r/seduction29/11/11 10:07 PM
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Holy shit, someone on this subreddit gets it.
/r/seduction29/11/11 09:59 PM
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wanna take a walk? Sounds good. Go for it! If you don't know who, go for the one you're most attracted to.
/r/seduction29/11/11 09:41 PM
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Yes! DO EEEETT!
/r/seduction29/11/11 09:39 PM
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I have no fear of being rejected but I have no idea what I should say to some random girl in a queue, train station, coffee shop etc. This is not entirely true. Anxiety = fear, usually. So there's some fear. Maybe not conscious, but it's there. It would serve you well to recognize that. Short of going up to her and saying "blah blah I like you", I don't really have any openers. That's actually pretty honest and refreshing. But if it's a little too ballsy for your taste, a smile and "hi" is prett…
/r/seduction29/11/11 08:27 PM
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Interesting science, however I personally believe women fake orgasms when there is a lack of honesty and communication in the relationship. Other women have "clitoral" orgasms but not vaginal/deeper orgasms, for the same reason. edit: misspelled "clitoral" and we can't have that.
/r/seduction29/11/11 08:22 PM
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I just don't want guys to think they have to be in "game mode" all the time, carefully calibrating their actions to maximize attractiveness, and have this turn into NOT APPROACHING a girl who might still be warm to your advances. Meanwhile a man with options doesn't even bother with "what do I do next", he just does what he wants and usually gets what he wants.
/r/seduction29/11/11 08:12 PM
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Hey frogma, can you please read this post and see the advice we're giving, and see if you can understand why I think hypotheticals are a bad idea? edit: Whelp, seems we gave him a bit too much good advice and he deleted the thread. See if you can figure out what we were getting at from the responses.
/r/seduction29/11/11 08:04 PM
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I said I am not even attracted to this girl. I'm not that interested in sleeping with her or an LTR.... Can you please just admit that maybe you don't understand your own underlying motivations? You're hinting at it all over your post: but after the third time we hanged out I feel like I sort of liked her A SMALL AMOUNT..not a lot at all. but I'm not sure if I am.. I admit after I saw the bite mark I felt pretty bad, I'm not even sure why though. "Not even sure why" = You know goddamn well why a…
/r/seduction29/11/11 08:00 PM
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Pull your cock out. I'm pretty sure that would make an impression.
/r/seduction29/11/11 07:45 PM
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Everyone please downvote posts like these. We need to see ACTION and RESULTS, not mental masturbation.
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:56 PM
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Way to miss the point.
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:55 PM
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Oneitis? No..no....did you read the post? Yep. I said I don't care about her liking me. I am not interested in a relationship or sex all that much. Pfffffft. Why I am bothered is the ambiguity and because I feel like I did everything and thus she should be attracted to me but she seems w/e about it. This girl's running pretty good game on you. I am bothered because I don't know what I did wrong in terms of my game..that's all. Yup, she's got you hooked. I feel bad because I see myself as an awes…
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:53 PM
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PYCO.
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:45 PM
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It's called "oneitis" because it's a debilitating mental condition which makes you question yourself and write walls of text like the above. Here OP this is for you. Stop questioning yourself for the love of god. You're probably an attractive, great guy, and lots of girls want you. Just freaking enjoy yourself, you're in college! Why doesn't this girl like me? Girls are confusing. She probably does like you, but due to various social/personal pressures, she doesn't want to get all serious. It's …
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:43 PM
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What would David Duchovny do? What would Charlie Sheen do? What would George Clooney do? Whatever the fuck they want, that's what.
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:24 PM
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Yes, for your own sanity. I love it! Sanity is when we accept that the ideas and stories in our head may not match up to reality. Just like the title of your post, so I know you're on the right track here! Here, read this. As you may have figured out, seduction is a powerful force you will never have control over, but when he harness it, it opens up a whole world we never even knew existed. It never gets boring, it never stays the same, it is always changing and unpredictable and in fact that's …
/r/seduction29/11/11 06:20 PM
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Post his text chats! For science!
/r/seduction29/11/11 04:23 PM
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So here's the thing. Her best friend yelled at her for always complaining that she isn't in a relationship, that she chases after guys that are d-bags and use her, and when a good guy comes along thats into her she runs away. Her best friend told her she should try, that if it doesn't work out, we'll be back to being friends, but you never know if you try. That. That's your entire problem in a nutshell. Girls are confused about what they want, especially at a young age (are you guys 21-23 perhap…
/r/seduction29/11/11 04:22 PM
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Apparently the animated Robin Hood movie has a long roll of credits in the beginning, so it starts out boring and 9 times out of 10 you're making out before the opening credits are over.
/r/seduction29/11/11 04:18 PM
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Dude.
/r/seduction29/11/11 03:20 AM
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Ok just wondering. You seem like the type to take things a little too seriously and I was stereotyping you Indian.
/r/seduction27/11/11 11:22 PM
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Bounced it?
/r/seduction27/11/11 11:21 PM
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This is usually a perfect opportunity for the 5 questions game.
/r/seduction27/11/11 07:01 AM
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Are you Indian?
/r/seduction27/11/11 06:30 AM
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then apologise via text ouch I said it was stupid of me to do what I did NO IT WASN'T, why do you lie to women to get them into bed?
/r/seduction27/11/11 06:27 AM
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This kind of makes me want to go on a little rant. I used to watch porn, from a young age, on dialup AOL. Still images baby! Well, time went on and I got into harder stuff. Eventually watching bukkake-esque stuff. At the very least I would watch lots of POV porn, produced by the likes of Seymore Butts. Then after I had a bad breakup with my ex, I realized I didn't really give her the respect she deserved. And one of the reasons for that was my experience with porn, where women are just used as o…
/r/seduction27/11/11 06:18 AM
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Drrrrr..... 1) Move your left foot in front of your right 2) Move your right foot in front of your left 3) Repeat until you are within proximity of your target 4) Say hi Done.
/r/seduction27/11/11 05:58 AM
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I'll use a Groupon on the first date if I damn well please.
/r/seduction27/11/11 05:49 AM
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Nah you're missing the point :P Read this.
/r/seduction26/11/11 05:13 AM
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Even better :) My one bit of advice, after fucking up a million times with a million different women and finally getting it right, is this: Let her seduce you.
/r/seduction26/11/11 04:22 AM
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lol not bad... You don't have to tell her, but if the topic of sex comes up, which might happen if the topic of relationships comes up, which might happen if you're on a date... well then just be honest about your inexperience.
/r/seduction26/11/11 03:39 AM
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One was pretty unresponsive and I tried to #close her but she told me no. I let it slide(abundance mentality) and she tried to friendzone me immediately by asking me where I went to school. I was so conscious of this that out of reflex I rejected her attempt by telling her I'm from Mars. She turned away from me here because I called her on her effort at friendzoning me. Me and my friend left the set. You need to stop reading about pickup.
/r/seduction26/11/11 03:27 AM
2

Wait a hypothetical? Really? There's plenty of real-world shit being discussed here already.
/r/seduction26/11/11 03:25 AM
2

Tell her.
/r/seduction26/11/11 03:24 AM
1

Congrats, bro!
/r/seduction24/11/11 08:56 PM
21

Don't forget we're talking about texting here.
/r/seduction22/11/11 05:23 PM
2

Self improvement is MASTURBATION! Now, self destruction...
/r/seduction22/11/11 04:42 PM
66

Excellent application of the "Yes, and..." principle. This is also called "banter".
/r/seduction22/11/11 04:37 PM
4

I suggest you enlist your roommates in your quest to lose your V-card. Just be straight up honest with them and let them know you're not very experienced but you want to learn the ropes and find a girl for some no-pressure sex. They will likely fight over who gets to do the honor.
/r/seduction22/11/11 09:31 AM
2

Self-improvement is masturbation. Now, self-destruction...
/r/seduction22/11/11 08:50 AM
0

GFTOW.
/r/seduction22/11/11 08:47 AM
6

I'm 29 and have hooked up with (and fucked up with) older women. I have been lurking for a few weeks and noticed that a lot of this is written for and by people under 35. Indeed, and it's one of the reasons this subreddit will not become the best it can be. A man should have many years of dating experience before he starts giving advice. So far I have found the young mods here (I think they're all 21 or younger) to be good enough considering what they have to work with. We just need the sedditor…
/r/seduction22/11/11 08:44 AM
1

So I've thought about your post for a couple days now and I just want to say, good luck, but I don't think you're quite out of the "friend zone" yet. If you want some advice I would say "communication". That is all.
/r/seduction22/11/11 07:46 AM
6

I started telling myself that she was probably open to more, and I thought about going in for a kiss right then and there, but thanks to r/seduction I knew it would be best to hold off for a bit and make her wait for it. wut
/r/seduction19/11/11 10:59 PM
3

Provided they don't turn "pickup" into an even more toxic offshoot subculture of the current already toxic culture. And buy into guru worship.
/r/seduction17/11/11 09:41 PM
0

All the RSD guys are trying to build their own little cult of personality, I just have a soft spot for Jeffy. Nevermind the words I used, you know what I'm talking about. I was basing my opinion on his pickup style from this review.
/r/seduction17/11/11 09:39 PM
1

Well I like him as a comedian. And out of all of them at least he's the most honest, he admits that he picks up bar sluts and other less attractive women.
/r/seduction17/11/11 09:03 PM
1

Yes, the site was bought by Gambler from PUA Training, the absolute worst person and company to own that immensely valuable site. At some point the server went down and when they booted it back up they apparently forgot how to get back old posts. You can find most posts in the searchable archive What that site needs is someone like Ross Jeffries or Mankite to take it over and bring it back to its former glory.
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:51 PM
3

If you're under 25, go ahead and knock yourself out. Just wank it as much as you want. Over 25 and especially over 35 you need to save your energy.
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:49 PM
1

Maybe you didn't get laid because you didn't WANT to get laid? And now you're coming to that realization?
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:48 PM
1

Anything by Gunwitch, Zan, Ross Jeffries, Mankite, Franco, GoneSavage, TheCostOfSuccess, 60 Years of Challenge, El Topo, CaptainJack, or a few local PUA's that I like. I try to stay away from anything by Mystery, Style, Mehow, or anything by PUA Training (AFC Adam, Gambler, etc...) or RSD, not because their shit doesn't work, but because I think they layer on a pretty nasty vibe about dating and women in general. I just don't like their attitudes and I feel like all they want is money. Jeffy's c…
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:45 PM
1

Try and fail, try and fail, try and fail, then try again. TL;DR: haven't had a set of friends for a long time. I want to fix that. Setting: Large college campus. Get out there and meet people. EDIT: is it possible to have a gf w/o social proofing? Yes.
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:40 PM
2

If you're doing something that works, keep doing it. If you do something that doesn't work, change it. Stop with these theorizing questions. Test and report back.
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:38 PM
1

Ding ding ding The best advice I ever got regarding women: "Have your own shit going on."
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:09 PM
1

If the only time you guys got really intimate was when you were drunk, then she's just not that into you. She likes you because you're unthreatening probably, which is why she's into women. Probably because she doesn't trust men at all. So it's time to NEXT this girl and move onto the next one.
/r/seduction17/11/11 08:07 PM
3

There's a guy who goes by the handle "TheCostOfSuccess" and he wrote a book on seduction. Perhaps this will help you square the circle... because I can tell you right now that many of your criticisms of this community are completely valid! edit: And by the way I can tell from your writing (not to mention what you actually wrote) that you have a more feminine mind, you are more tuned to feminine ways, you in fact feel more comfortable around women, which is not the case with most men. This qualit…
/r/seduction17/11/11 07:59 PM
2

if this isn't what you're experiencing maybe your heart is closed or damaged or you're completely surrounded by assholes. perhaps a war manual isn't what you need? PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION TO THIS MAN
/r/seduction17/11/11 07:56 PM
2

Yeah I was just playing. I'm sure Edison was a baller in his own right. It just seems he couldn't handle a little competition.
/r/seduction15/11/11 07:26 PM
1

Ah, I thought this question was about orgasms. screwed me over one too many times Uh, if she's not just ignoring you but actually damaging your interests, the answer is always NEXT!
/r/seduction15/11/11 06:06 PM
1

By the time the film finished we just talked a bit more and it was approaching 5am and I was really uncomfortable by that point because I knew I'd probably blown my chance tonight. Eventually she left and this is where I am now the next day. You got ASD :P Girls can act strange all the time and we're not allowed to question it, but when a guy acts strange all of a sudden it's a big problem? So I guess I'm wondering if anyone has similar problems where they get themselves into a bad frame of mind…
/r/seduction15/11/11 06:04 PM
2

I kept my head up and made good eye contact, but she just started shaking her head 'no' before I even go there. I decided I was in too deep to just back out so I said "Hello" to her. She just shook her head again and walked away. Mirror neurons. Or she was just a bitch. Yeah she was a bitch. LOL... I walked up to her, tapped her on the shoulder and said "When I see an attractive girl out I should definitely say hello, right?" She smiled, laughed a said "Of course!" Nice! I like that line. The th…
/r/seduction15/11/11 05:58 PM
1

Successful PUA's of Seddit I'm not sure there are too many of those around here...
/r/seduction15/11/11 05:55 PM
15

Fucking Edison, that tryhard beta chump always trying to steal Tesla's spotlight.
/r/seduction15/11/11 05:54 PM
6

Mirror neurons in your dick make her pussy wet, now get out there and fuck bitches.
/r/seduction14/11/11 01:47 AM
1

Someone give this guy a medal ;)
/r/seduction11/11/11 11:53 PM
2

What is it in our lives that make us not internally validated? First of all we should be grateful that we know what the word "validation" means and that it's important for people higher up on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. When we are physically comfortable our needs become more psychological. Simply understanding this fact is a breakthrough. But I think it's a little short-sighted to say that all you need is to be "internally validated"... it sounds like a load of new-age crap. You're not going t…
/r/seduction11/11/11 11:51 PM
1

All right bro, well I'm pulling for you. Get some exercise that day, some sunshine and quality food. That night, focus on what genuinely amuses and interests you. Let her seduce you.
/r/seduction10/11/11 02:06 AM
1

I haven't seen her in over a year and we're going to a party together tomorrow and she's staying over at my place (so we can drink alcohol, she lives too far) Interesting premise. We call that plausible fuckable deniability around here. But is it true? Do you really think she's down to fuck?
/r/seduction09/11/11 11:56 PM
7

At this point I tell her that I already have a ton of Brittanys in my phone The cockiness! It burns!
/r/seduction09/11/11 11:29 PM
2

little more playful Uh, I think that's as playful as you can get. And if the line is taken poorly, either you have bad delivery or she's so attached to her boyfriend there's no way you'll be able to seduce her (in the near future).
/r/seduction09/11/11 11:22 PM
2

Not a bad perspective.
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:49 PM
7

The other responses here pretty much cover your situ, but I thought I'd share a line from canitapthat.com: HB: I have a boyfriend PUA: I have a goldfish. HB: Huh? PUA: Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about stuff that doesn't matter.
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:43 PM
3

Two wrongs don't make a right. However it's perfectly acceptable (and highly encouraged) to keep up your social skills while in a relationship.
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:39 PM
-1

Upvote.
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:36 PM
2

YES! Upvote! Put this shit on the sidebar!
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:34 PM
3

Upvote for you sir. Great idea!
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:33 PM
2

I think they call this an "IOI" in the seduction community.
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:29 PM
1

edit: Nevermind.
/r/seduction09/11/11 05:28 PM
2

Also fun is the classic after-date outing to the Dollar Store where you buy each other a gift.
/r/seduction08/11/11 03:24 PM
1

According to Planned Parenthood, the Standard Days Method has a 5% rate of pregnancy if used correctly.
/r/seduction07/11/11 03:29 AM
1

That's what I just said.
/r/seduction06/11/11 08:24 AM
2

I read that pre-cum doesn't have much sperm in it at all. If you know the first day of your partner's cycle, you can be pretty safe by having protected sex during days 8 through 19. It's called the "standard days method".
/r/seduction06/11/11 01:10 AM
1

I think most of the downvotes here are because of your title. It's not the "best method ever" to get a girl into bed but it's something, so nice work!
/r/seduction05/11/11 12:45 AM
1

Next.
/r/seduction05/11/11 12:24 AM
2

I gave you an upvote because you're right, it shouldn't really matter about your grammar. But I've gotten turned off by dumb texts before and I'm sure plenty of intelligent women have too.
/r/seduction05/11/11 12:22 AM
7

Fine, fine, fine. You ever heard of a freeze out? It's a fucking solid gold tactic, usable in almost every situation in life. And it's based on a real principle of human communication, which is that the meaning of a communication is the response it elicits, so sometimes it's much more meaningful to speak with your actions (or lack thereof) rather than your words. But you know what, it can be pretty fucking manipulative. It's a common girl-game tactic, especially when you're in a relationship. Li…
/r/seduction05/11/11 12:15 AM
1

Yes, but more importantly the answer to his question will tell you all you need to know about the value of a "technique" or "strategy". Does it make her wet, or get you into a situation where you can make her wet? End of story at least as far as seduction is concerned. btw I upvoted this post because it seems legit.
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:45 PM
1

Actually Gunwitch already answered this one. There is only one commandment of pickup: Thou shalt not eject.
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:41 PM
36

Rule of thumb: Mirroring. If she takes 20 minutes to text back, wait 20 minutes and then text her back. If she uses lots of ...'s, add a few of your own for dramatic effect. If she uses lots of smileys, go ahead and use them. But god help you if you find an intelligent woman and text her "How r u doing?"
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:40 PM
3

Is this a good tactics? Has it worked for you so far?
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:37 PM
1

Field tested?
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:34 PM
2

Huh?
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:34 PM
5

Actually my point was that the emotional reaction he gets from pining over it is apparently more satisfying that actually trying to understand what's going on.
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:30 PM
18

ASD for sure. Please remember guys that it's HARD being a woman, at least as far as dating goes. Yes, women have numerous advantages in daily life but having sex puts her in a defenseless position, literally and figuratively, and in fact that's one of the things that makes it so hot and great for a woman. Can you see the conflict they have to deal with? Even if everything goes perfectly she could still suffer social repercussions, or at least a perceived threat of such. Of course, none of this d…
/r/seduction04/11/11 07:27 PM
5

You don't WANT to understand why.
/r/seduction04/11/11 06:51 PM
1

Hmmmmm....
/r/seduction01/11/11 06:50 PM
6

This is the best video I've seen on depression.
/r/seduction01/11/11 06:34 PM
1

Thanks, I think so too, just gotta field test a bit more...
/r/seduction01/11/11 06:31 PM
2

It's hard being a woman. The very existence of the term "virgin" in our culture is slightly fucked up. Girls are still very much terrified of being thought of as sluts, while their hormones are telling them something very different. And it's not like men are helping the situation either, they often act in very fucked up ways towards women, which reinforces their weird behavior. The seducer's greatest gift is liberation, from the confines of societal behavior. Allowing a woman to really feel like…
/r/seduction31/10/11 10:28 PM
2

I normally almost never turn it down, but a virgin is a big exception. And she was very flaky too, the virgin...keeps calling her friend, saying she's gonna leave, etc. Even if I wanted to bang her, I don't know if I could've. That's fine, nevermind what I said about turning down sex, it was my second point that is the most important. You turned down the sex because it wasn't just right, and good sex is always... just right. So good on you man, you probably did the right thing. And of course the…
/r/seduction31/10/11 10:00 PM
2

Oh so you're trying to get laid? It didn't exactly seem like that from your FR, turning down sex several times it seems. Let me give you a little protip: Seduction is sex. There is no difference. Those makeouts you had? Sex. Getting touchy? Sex. Girls calling attention to their boobs? Sexy. Sex. It's all sex. Get it?
/r/seduction31/10/11 09:36 PM
0

Just say hi. Try it.
/r/seduction31/10/11 09:12 PM
2

Dude. You're doing fine. Now it's time to chill the fuck out a bit and enjoy the seduction. There's like a whole world below the surface you have barely scratched.
/r/seduction31/10/11 09:10 PM
-1

Monday nights are pretty good for hooking up though.
/r/seduction31/10/11 08:28 PM
2

Dear 16-year-old me, Stop watching porn, it's unrealistic and will lead to frustration with women in the future. Also, did you know that women can be attracted to men? Seriously, they make their own choices about who they like, it's not like you deserve their attention just because you find them hot. You get what you give. Lots of girls like you, just chill the fuck out and enjoy yourself with them, no matter what happens you're going to be happier when you throw your expectations out the window…
/r/seduction31/10/11 08:27 PM
1

tips hat
/r/seduction29/10/11 09:14 PM
3

Where the boundary is, when I've gone too far You learn this with experience, and in the moment. In fact this is pretty much seduction in a nutshell. Pushing boundaries.
/r/seduction28/10/11 06:10 PM
4

I am not in R/seduction for sex/one nighters, I am here to learn how to get into a meaningful relationship and not settle for the first thing with tits to pass me by. Right, but just like you wouldn't get into a relationship with a girl you're not attracted to, women need their more base impulses satisfied before getting serious with a guy. I don't really care that I am hearing impaired as it makes me who I am. Great! I love the way you put this. You have an attractive flaw, not a fatal flaw. Ow…
/r/seduction28/10/11 06:07 PM
1

David X, Rule 1
/r/seduction28/10/11 03:51 PM
1

No, like what?
/r/seduction28/10/11 05:17 AM
2

Good question, and WTF happened to mASF while we're at it? The community is falling apart: Seddit to the rescue? Just reminded of this great post by Captain Jack taken off his blog. So many key concepts, so enlightening!
/r/seduction27/10/11 07:24 PM
1

Have you seen this yet?
/r/seduction27/10/11 07:20 PM
14

Thanks, but I know I can do better. It's almost like Gunwitch's Effort + Looks / 2 = HB scale you can take home, except for me it's like I have a "screw up" bar, which is a level of shooting yourself in the foot that is acceptable, above which a girl will not go home with you. So let's say I'm an 8 and a girl is a 7. I have 1 get out jail free point before the girl will get weirded out and not talk to me again. So in a normal night I shoot myself in the foot 4 or 5 times, and thus I can take hom…
/r/seduction27/10/11 06:49 PM
41

You mean like Mystery's 7 hour rule? WTF? Personally I've taken home or got head in the parking lot from like 4 or 5 girls but they were all not very attractive.
/r/seduction27/10/11 06:37 PM
3

Kung Fu Penis
/r/seduction27/10/11 04:31 PM
0

downvote
/r/seduction27/10/11 04:20 AM
2

The girl's calculating attitude and passive-aggressive insult betrays her real feelings: She's hurt and wanted to leave a "winner" by making you feel bad. The worse you feel the more she wins. So first things first, she's an immature girl and don't put a second thought into what she said, it was designed to hurt you. Now, if you have needs in your life beyond sex, congratulations you are a human being. Proceed to level 2.
/r/seduction26/10/11 10:11 PM
2

Hey guy. The friends are cheerleaders, not obstacles. Now frankly, when you're in a bar, you have to expect shit like this and just chalk it up to chaos. But if you want to do something practical, try to imagine the friends as cheerleaders. Their behavior CAN help you get laid if you realize they have some part to play in the seduction. GoneSavage said women are complicit in their own seduction (they want to be seduced) but this can extend to friends as well. They WANT their friend to have fun. …
/r/seduction26/10/11 10:03 PM
0

And fucked at least 100 more women than me. I'll take firearm safety lessons from someone else, but his seduction advice is solid.
/r/seduction26/10/11 09:58 PM
1

Yes! Freaking awesome, Good But Not-So-Nice Guy!
/r/seduction25/10/11 06:55 PM
1

Previously I suggested to someone to try out the Kung Fu Penis, maybe it will help you out too? Basically the foundation of KFP is the Ultimate Escalation: Putting her hand on your penis and saying "Look what you're doing to me..." This move is so powerful for so many reasons. If you can see why, and imagine how to take it all the way through sex and after, AND before, from the beginning of the pickup, then I think you'll have your answer.
/r/seduction25/10/11 06:02 PM
2

Just saying, you've mastered the social, but now it's time to push your boundaries into the sexual and the seductive.
/r/seduction25/10/11 05:46 PM
2

There is a necessity for some people to tell themselves mentally to do things, but people forget that attracting the opposite sex is a very natural, and most of all SIMPLE process. Yes! There is no dance, there is no real strategy, it's all a fluid singular movement. Oh, there's a dance all right. Dance is fluid, dance has strategies, no? Maybe we're just quibbling over words here. I just don't know what path to go. I'm left with indecision on whether to do "x, y, z" at certain times or just let…
/r/seduction25/10/11 05:33 PM
1

Hey man, how's your sexual experience thus far?
/r/seduction25/10/11 04:41 PM
1

Great work bro, way to have faith in the moment. I bet it was a lot easier BECAUSE she was hot, since you didn't need to come up with rationalizations for why you're doing anything. Just enjoying the moment to the fullest.
/r/seduction25/10/11 04:40 PM
1

Sometimes it does indeed hint at sex, so just roll with it.
/r/seduction23/10/11 09:25 PM
1

Learn the Kung Fu Penis (original article is gone, here's a link and another one which explain the gist of it)
/r/seduction23/10/11 09:23 PM
-2

This week I realized my problem is I need to be more myself. Oh you mean like the advice our mothers gave us? Interesting.
/r/seduction23/10/11 04:52 PM
3

When I lost my virginity, I was 18 and it was completely awkward and weird. It took another year to have sex again and that was awkward and weird. But it turned into a relationship and that was good. Point is, this is going to be awkward and weird, and will get much much better at some point, but you have almost no control over when it gets better. All you have control over is when and where you do it, or not. And then after having sex about 20-50 times, you'll finally figure out how to do it, a…
/r/seduction23/10/11 04:48 PM
1

I downvoted your other post about "bagging" a girl being "disgraceful" because we're all men here and we're allowed to talk like that without the language police coming down on us. But I like your viewpoint here. This guy is missing the big picture and "game" should probably be the last thing on his mind. I've hurt people before, not knowing I was doing it, and left a trail of destruction behind me. Ignoring that would be the worst thing I could do. No, the proper response is a resolve to live m…
/r/seduction23/10/11 04:43 PM
1

This is the kind of post we're supposed to downvote, guys. It's about a specific girl, and they guy didn't make any moves on her. Next!
/r/seduction23/10/11 04:35 PM
3

Never too much PYCO in pickup.
/r/seduction23/10/11 01:15 AM
3

Just remember when you see her again to have zero expectations (the semi is fine though).
/r/seduction23/10/11 01:13 AM
12

Here's one idea: Chapter 1 - Human evolution and sexual selection. Societal values compared to evolutionary/sexual values, and the conflicts thereof. Group dynamics theories, similar to those outlined in this document. Chapter 2 - Modeling human excellence, NLP (anchoring, patterns, communication), social programming, fundamentals of behavior change Chapter 3 - One-itis, anxiety, depression, other stumbling blocks. This video. Chapter 4 - Just one sentence: Talk to women! - source Chapter 5 - Ma…
/r/seduction21/10/11 07:06 PM
1

Check it out And check this out
/r/seduction21/10/11 06:43 PM
1

Game: The same mating dance that men and women have engaged in for the past 5 million years, occasionally discussed on the internet in the 21st century.
/r/seduction21/10/11 03:55 PM
3

I had to ask because now that I've heard your answer, I can confidently say you're in the top 1% of guys on seddit. Therefore you should be giving advice, not taking it, whenever possible. And please please don't think these FR's are anything special; they are often exceptional or sensational and that's why they show up here. The reality is much more mundane and, frankly, interesting than anything you can put into a FR. So just be careful when you read the material here, you're already a PUA and…
/r/seduction21/10/11 02:29 PM
0

Society is fucked, and sometimes girls don't know how to deal with it. Next!
/r/seduction20/10/11 04:26 PM
2

Nice post bro. But I have to ask, are you getting laid?
/r/seduction20/10/11 02:52 PM
1

I think you're supposed to say something about tic tacs, gumdrops, braille name tags, or just grab her boobs and say, "no these are fine."
/r/seduction20/10/11 02:43 PM
1

There's a lot of that going on in this subreddit.
/r/seduction20/10/11 12:57 PM
2

Even if you're in that 10% of men who are initiators, playing the numbers game, what is wrong with the numbers game? That's fine, you'll still get laid. When you approach a girl, sometimes you don't even know why. That's the 90% of the time. So there's really no difference in a PUA's reality whether he "approached" or got an "IOI" or an "AI". It makes no difference at all, the point is he found his balls and started some shit.
/r/seduction20/10/11 03:08 AM
1

Thanks for fighting the good fight, man, keep it up. The average age of this subreddit appears to be 17.
/r/seduction20/10/11 02:59 AM
1

This woman may have had issues, which is kind of important for the context, don't you think?
/r/seduction20/10/11 02:56 AM
1

Maybe seddit should try a week experiment where any butthurt and bitching that serves no purpose other than the feeling of being butthurt, is deleted.
/r/seduction20/10/11 02:54 AM
1

Or maybe
/r/seduction19/10/11 10:44 PM
-13

20 upvotes is a little too many for a sob story, sorry.
/r/seduction19/10/11 10:42 PM
7

Let's read the tumblr post again, why not: that awkward moment when i thought i was gonna hook up with this guy, but we ended up having a heart to heart in my work parking lot for 2 hours and i realized that he's my new best friend. SO MUCH BETTER. What can we take away from this? First of all we can hardly tell what the guy's intentions were. Maybe he was thinking of hooking up with her until he realized her self-esteem was too low and it turned him off (notice how she uses the lower-case "I" i…
/r/seduction19/10/11 08:37 PM
-1

This^ I have no idea why this thread was upvoted, as there is far too much unknown context to even begin to guess whether the guy had any "game" or even wanted to hook up with this girl in the first place. I'm really disappointed in seddit for upvoting this--it shows how immature your average rAFC really is and how far he has to grow.
/r/seduction19/10/11 08:31 PM
1

Accept that fact that what is, is.
/r/seduction16/10/11 04:47 PM
1

60 Years of Challenge is the best out of the ones you listed. Also if you have not read this guy you don't know what seduction is (I feel bad linking to his book so buy it if you like it or get coaching ).
/r/seduction13/10/11 09:11 PM
2

Thank you, my good man. I'm not bad with women, in fact my ex was trying to hook up with me last night, but I'm not going down that road again. Times have changed, and I'm interested in meeting new women. Unfortunately my logistics suck (no car right now) so it's hard to get out there (but not impossible!). Have you seen this pdf I've been sharing? The guy who wrote it is probably the best seducer in the world, but what really separates him from all the gurus is his insistence that there are NO …
/r/seduction13/10/11 06:52 PM
2

Upvote this man!
/r/seduction13/10/11 06:08 PM
2

For science!
/r/seduction13/10/11 06:07 PM
0

The whole point about freezeouts is punishing bad behavior and rewarding good behavior. Therefore when she contacts you after some time, respond in kind. If she emails, you email. If she texts, you can text, with an appropriate delay (anywhere from an hour to a day). Just reward good behavior. That's like 90% of seduction right there.
/r/seduction13/10/11 06:06 PM
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It would be dumb to have entirely general discussions, so I don't think that's what you're talking about here. You're basically referring to one-itis posts but those can be easily downvoted and replied to with explanation (GFTOW, etc.) Perhaps we should just downvote posts that involve a specific girl with NO ACTIONS TAKEN THUS FAR. Just post "take action" and downvote. That might be all this subreddit needs.
/r/seduction13/10/11 06:04 PM
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Yeah I see your point about the flair. Well, good luck with this subreddit. I enjoy answering the questions from noobs, even though I'm not fucking 2 new girls a month or anything close to that. I still think my advice is good. So yeah I get your point. I'm just thinking that if I showed up at a seduction forum where you couldn't post until you put up at least one FR, I would think "this looks like a pretty darn good seduction forum."
/r/seduction13/10/11 05:18 PM
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I don't have any FRs. So I wouldn't qualify. Well not for flair, but that's ok, it's just a way of distinguishing guys who post reports from guys who don't. Being successful is somewhat irrelevant IMO. I got laid in high school by a few different girls, but that doesn't mean I was qualified to give any sort of advice to other guys. Agreed. That's why context is so important. If a guy gives advice and I can look at his FR and find out he's in college, that will affect how I look at his advice and…
/r/seduction13/10/11 04:47 PM
1

Sorry man but if you're objectively a 5 or above, your looks don't matter 1/10th as much as your attitude.
/r/seduction13/10/11 04:22 PM
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Actually in the 90's there was an ultimate pickup line: "I work for a dot com startup" These days I don't know what would be comparable to that.
/r/seduction13/10/11 04:21 PM
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Here's some ideas: No posting (commenting ok) until you put up at least one FR involving talking to one girl for five minutes, or if you're not that advanced, five girls for one minute. No restrictions on posting, but give a flair to anyone who successfully posts a report, as described in the previous point. Give a flair to a guy who gets laid by two different girls in one month. Seriously, it's stuff like this that might make all the difference. Try to explain somewhere in the sidebar that whil…
/r/seduction13/10/11 04:18 PM
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Except guys don't have Magic Pussy Syndrome, thinking they can get everything they want in relationships by virtue of having a vagina. And guys can't get away with saying stuff like "can we at least hookup still" without shame.
/r/seduction12/10/11 05:00 PM
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Hey man, I'm 29 and I've been in 4 or 5 relationships and slept with perhaps 15-20 women. In short and by the way it is said to me I feel like I am essentially told to sleep around. Is this the path I should genuinely consider? Sounds like you don't want to, so no. Don't let other people make choices for you. Is it really wrong if the girl I am with completely understands and agrees? Well it's not even be wrong in the first place, but I think I get where you're coming from. You want to be a gent…
/r/seduction12/10/11 04:57 PM
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When I told her no, she said "well in the future, can we at least hookup still". Women are hilarious!
/r/seduction12/10/11 04:47 PM
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I didn't want her to feel awkward so I went with the truth and said I definitely was but I understood. Bonus points for honesty, but don't think it's strictly in service of her emotional needs, or that it's even a good thing to have less awkwardness. Human relations are awkward, that's a good thing. In my line of work, that means she can tell still me what to do ect.. This is way too dangerous for you, but if danger's your thing, have fun! Any suggestions about getting further with this girl PYC…
/r/seduction12/10/11 04:46 PM
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All right, well I give that advice because even though girls have all kinds of emotional issues to deal with, they still usually want sex as much as guys. So if she's not having sex with you it might be because she doesn't really want to. If she doesn't want to, there's nothing you can do: Next. If she does want to but has some hang-ups about it, she would still be interested in doing it at some point. Maybe she doesn't know what she wants, and wants you to take control of the situation. Only on…
/r/seduction12/10/11 03:48 AM
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Hey man, sorry to presume. How old are you guys anyway? That advice was more geared to 21+ years old...
/r/seduction11/10/11 05:58 PM
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First have sex. Then worry about all that other stuff.
/r/seduction11/10/11 05:48 PM
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Was gonna upvote but then read the post... try to be a little more diplomatic next time bro.
/r/seduction11/10/11 05:44 PM
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Seems like every guy who comes to the seduction community has a similar story and a similar path, almost always culminating in a frank assesment of one's own emotional state. So good on you for getting to this point! Now the healing can begin. Edit: A video for you
/r/seduction11/10/11 02:25 AM
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Lol dude, even though it's completely innocent, you're talking about your cousins helping you get laid. That could get awkward... But with all that said, if they are so interested in helping you out, there's plenty they can do: hang out and have fun with you, making you look popular and giving "social proof briefly interrupt your "set" by coming in and asking if you've seen person X, thanking you for being so cool, say "here's your drink" and getting out of there. in the case of a "2-set", they …
/r/seduction11/10/11 01:36 AM
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Ah, good catch. I'll see if I don't have a copy somewhere.
/r/seduction10/10/11 09:59 PM
1

I respect the following PUA's and no one else: El Topo, GoneSavage, 60 Years of Challenge, TheCostOfSuccess, and a guy named Mankite. If anyone wants a short pdf that will be the last thing on seduction you will ever need to read, send me a PM.
/r/seduction10/10/11 05:39 PM
2

True story
/r/seduction10/10/11 05:31 PM
2

Yeah, with some girls you can talk about your micropenis.
/r/seduction10/10/11 05:29 PM
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Reminds me of some money advice by Mankite over on mASF.
/r/seduction10/10/11 05:29 PM
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Yeah man, if the parents want to cockblock there's not much you can do (beside waiting for them to go to bed, or going for a walk down to the park!) Good luck
/r/seduction10/10/11 03:38 PM
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Rule 1: Enjoy yourself. If you have faith in the moment, the moment will deliver. Rule 2: There is no rule 2. Seriously there is so much more one could say, and I'm sure you'll hear it from seddit, but it need not be said. You're a man, she's a woman, you're both responsible people, and more to the point you're both mature mammals hoping to practice the reproductive act. Not exactly the most painful or unnatural thing in the world, is it? So don't layer too much on top of it. Instead, strip ever…
/r/seduction10/10/11 06:03 AM
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I hate people looking at me because I'm scared that I'm being judged. I want this to stop. So stop it! (search "stop it" on youtube)
/r/seduction09/10/11 01:33 AM
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Pretty much this. Here's a quote for you... "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
/r/seduction09/10/11 01:31 AM
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Upvote for you my man.
/r/seduction09/10/11 01:27 AM
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Hey, every sperm is sacred! Have some respect for yourself.
/r/seduction09/10/11 01:26 AM
1

Uh, anger come from frustration. Why not do something not completely obvious and unproductive?
/r/seduction09/10/11 01:24 AM
1

So Zen! Love it!
/r/seduction07/10/11 06:34 PM
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Like a boss.
/r/seduction07/10/11 06:33 PM
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OK I talked with a cute bartender last night and asked her out. She had a boyfriend who she lives with. I'm gonna take 2 points because it wasn't a really solid conversation but at least I tried something.
/r/seduction07/10/11 05:56 PM
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Downvote. Bad idea. In fact it's better to fap without porn than porn without fap.
/r/seduction07/10/11 04:39 PM
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RSD is bad. Stop watching it now. Read "What we find attractive" by Taylor Truth. Send me a PM and I'll send you a pdf. And sure, let's see who gets the most points! For fun and science!
/r/seduction06/10/11 07:04 PM
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Honesty is the best game.
/r/seduction06/10/11 06:26 PM
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Yes.
/r/seduction06/10/11 06:24 PM
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This is all about pushing you own boundaries, getting outside of your comfort zone, etc. Sounds like you're on the right track!
/r/seduction06/10/11 06:23 PM
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Boy, do I have the best video for you. El Topo got the whole seduction thing figured out, down to a T. It's all about conversation, sharing something about yourself, then digging a little deeper. Read this and learn about the full picture of seduction and sex. Here's an interview between El Topo and a guy who calls himself the California Pimp. And here's some infield audio from that guy, but it's some pretty "fast seduction" so don't think you have to do it that fast. This is all about conversat…
/r/seduction06/10/11 06:14 PM
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It's not that he's not ready for it, per se. It's just that guys get the wrong ideas when they start out. For some guys, talking to 100 girls a day turns out to be worse than just one, because they think "ok I opened this girl, now I can eject and move on to the next one", which actually instills a quitting attitude. Seriously, I've seen it happen. We call those guys "approach machines" and they almost never get laid. I want to see this guy get laid, not learn some weird RSD nimbus homo game. Ed…
/r/seduction06/10/11 05:24 PM
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Have all my upvotes.
/r/seduction06/10/11 08:26 AM
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While it is true that smiling improves mood and faking it till you make it is indeed the only way anyone ever learned anything, the most important thing is staying true to yourself. So if you don't feel like smiling, you don't have to freaking smile! It's ok, men don't always smile. But when I do... (cue meme)
/r/seduction06/10/11 08:21 AM
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One girl a day. Start there. Seriously, that is actually hard to do for a beginner. Especially if it's a girl you actually find attractive, which I assume is what you're looking for. The last time I tried that, talking to one girl a day, was just an incredible experience. I would always wonder when or where or who I would end up talking to. At least one lucky lady (usually more). The whole thing forced me to actually plan ahead and dress nice and smell nice, just in case I met a hot babe during …
/r/seduction06/10/11 08:14 AM
1

Fucking this!
/r/seduction06/10/11 08:00 AM
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Talk to this guy.
/r/seduction06/10/11 07:47 AM
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Sounds like your heart is in the right place. But... if you look at not connecting with a girl, or whatever, as failure, then there will be plenty of anxiety about the whole thing. What is failure anyway? I always thought that success involved material wealth and women on my arm like the reddit mascot at the top of the page. But you live a little and learn that to fail is to succeed, because in a true failure, you take a risk and deal with the outcome like a man, and that is true success. And yo…
/r/seduction06/10/11 07:44 AM
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Why don't you enlighten me then.
/r/seduction05/10/11 10:19 PM
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I think it's all about salesmanship. All the normal seductive stuff works, like kino, eye contact, etc... Just ask "have you ever heard of soul gazing?" then do that. Fun times. And don't waste their time, when they are DTF then get into bed ASAP.
/r/seduction05/10/11 08:46 PM
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Doesn't work unless you have prior pre-selection and value You mean like eye contact and body language? Sure. You aren't mysterious if the girl knows nothing about. That's why you say hi. Or motion for a girl to come over and say hi. You're just a guy saying nothing, just like all the other chodes saying nothing and doing nothing. Wrong. You're looking for a honey to cherish for the night. Or whatever. You've got a mission during the day, and need to answer to no one at night. If you're the godf…
/r/seduction05/10/11 08:42 PM
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"I'm a geek, you're a nerd!"
/r/seduction05/10/11 08:38 PM
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First and foremost, it sounds like you're putting the pussy on a pedestal. Even if you try to pretend that you're not, it just seems like you are. So let's start there. Am I on the right track?
/r/seduction05/10/11 04:31 PM
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Hey man, you're making a prison of your own mind. Break out!
/r/seduction04/10/11 04:54 PM
1

One of the tenets of NLP is that people tend to model others who are more skilled in a particular area. So the more you hang out with your natural friends, the more natural you will become. The only thing that could get in the way of the inevitable is you.
/r/seduction04/10/11 04:48 PM
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I don't ever want to miss out on dating someone I like - not because we didn't click, but because I failed to seduce her and she's a high-quality girl. Fuck this shit. This is the source of your problems right there.
/r/seduction04/10/11 04:44 PM
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They call it one-itis because it's a debilitating mental illness, a disease. A virus that infects and takes over your mind. The virus must be destroyed in order to go back to normal healthy living. Luckily, there is a cure. The virus subsists on delusion, detachment from reality. Therefore when the virus is faced with reality (either by asking her out or moving the fuck on with your life), it withers and dies. This technique works with any delusion, including the belief that you are a separate p…
/r/seduction04/10/11 04:43 PM
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Actually yes this is exactly the right thing to do in that situation. Nice work OP.
/r/seduction04/10/11 04:39 PM
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I guess I didn't communicate this well enough. Basically I was trying to say stop bothering with illusions, when the truth is so much more interesting.
/r/seduction04/10/11 03:34 AM
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What's missing from all these comments is an understanding that girls are the selectors, if one of them wants to have sex they will work out all the logistics between them. They might not explicitly say anything about sex (and might have whatever ideas in their head) but they make the conditions right. Don't get the idea that just because you have to "lead" and handle logistics it's not all within a very feminine world that is setting the ground rules for the whole thing.
/r/seduction04/10/11 12:23 AM
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See if this video resonates with you at all.
/r/seduction03/10/11 06:22 PM
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http://www.fastseduction.com/phrases/seduction_lair/seduction_lair_012.shtml
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:17 PM
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Absolutely no reason to have an advanced pickup subreddit. It would have a huge negative effect on this already low-quality subreddit (as OP noted).
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:16 PM
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Yeah, the last thing you want is guys who actually get laid to stop communicating with guys who are not getting laid. That will create some kind of weird r/foreveraloneanddesperate community. Yuck.
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:14 PM
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Fuck that shit, isn't there like one rule of pickup? Rule 1: Don’t care what she’s thinking! (credit David X) That doesn't mean don't try to understand women in general, it means don't care what a specific chick is thinking at any specific time. Just don't care. If you do, you'll be thinking for 2 people while she may very well be thinking for nobody. Just let it go. What you may be thinking about what's on her mind is ONLY what you think is going on, most likely totally wrong anyway. Stop think…
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:11 PM
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Shooting fish in a barrel. edit: Not necessarily a good thing if you catch my drift.
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:03 PM
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Get back in that pussy ASAP. First time is always a bit awkward.
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:02 PM
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Downvote
/r/seduction03/10/11 12:00 PM
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I think it's safe to say his hands have plenty of iron. (also not a doctor) The mental block is (guessing here) performance anxiety. You want to live up to some kind of expectations perhaps? I'm going to try and give you some inner game advice but first I think it helps to share my experience... I had sex this weekend after a bit of a dry spell myself and it was nothing to write home about. Seriously you probably wouldn't fuck this girl but I did because I'm a dirty bastard. For reference I am 2…
/r/seduction03/10/11 11:48 AM
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Well shit I don't know, man. I've just noticed that any time I'm having a deep conversation with a girl I'm doing ok, and not one of those conversations where you're agreeing with everything she says, you gotta have your own opinions as stick to them. Also helps to talk about relationships which gets into talking about sex. But seriously it doesn't matter as long as you're not trying to force anything, like you're just enjoying the moment for its own sake. Seriously though the idea is to just sa…
/r/seduction29/09/11 11:37 PM
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OK nevermind escalating. Just realize that you're like 2000% more likely to get a kiss, or even get into a deep conversation, when you're alone with a girl. That of course means asking her a question after class and then going from there to some other more private location.
/r/seduction29/09/11 08:29 PM
1

Just be yourself is great advice, if you know how to take it.
/r/seduction29/09/11 07:52 PM
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Isolate and escalate.
/r/seduction29/09/11 05:52 PM
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Watch this.
/r/seduction29/09/11 05:51 PM
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<3 it because it's so baller. No confusion, no games, just straight up man stuff. What to talk about? That's easy. Whatever you want to talk about. The most important thing is that you're not getting all meta in your head, trying to think of the best thing to say next. Instead say what you want to say, and it will come out in the best way possible due to ancient mystical forces. I have heard from NLP people that... adding... a couple pauses... to your speech makes your communication more effecti…
/r/seduction29/09/11 05:47 PM
1

I think it was the gluten free thing that killed you. Love the caveman attitude, why not take it to other girls in the meantime?
/r/seduction29/09/11 05:44 PM
1

Pretty much just read the Anti-Manifesto and you'll have everything you need to know.
/r/seduction28/09/11 09:30 PM
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Own it.
/r/seduction28/09/11 07:31 PM
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Yeah I'm not saying you should have a talk about your status. In fact that kind of thing could scare a girl off, as I'm sure you've learned by now (by the way this is the only way anyone learns anything). No I'm just saying you probably want to communicate how you feel. As in, you like her and want to hang out with her more frequently. Right? I mean that seems like a totally fair position to be coming from. So for instance, you could ask her on a date. I know it probably goes against seddit doct…
/r/seduction28/09/11 07:26 PM
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Freeze outs work. And yet the wear hard on the soul. So sometimes honesty really is the best policy. Not that a freezeout is not honest but it's not the most mature thing you can do. Whatever you decide, good luck!
/r/seduction28/09/11 06:21 PM
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some unfortunate reason unbeknownst to me This will become more clear as you have more experiences to work with. However you should take note of the irony that there IS a reason for why you are not having "success" and on some level you DO already know what it is, even if it's not totally within reach of your consciousness right now. The solution to this "problem" is continued brutal honesty, always checking your beliefs against reality.
/r/seduction28/09/11 06:11 AM
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Have you seen the playette FAQ?
/r/seduction28/09/11 05:43 AM
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Yep, 60 years of challenge got it figured out and boiled down. Solid shit that just works.
/r/seduction28/09/11 05:39 AM
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Linky linky! Also a handy tip for banter: "Yes, and..." In fact it makes a great improv game when you're drunk at a party. Just set the rules that you have to go back and forth saying "yes, and" and continuing the banter. Another game to try is the question game, where you go back and forth only asking questions.
/r/seduction28/09/11 05:37 AM
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Just remember that The Game is a fictional account written like any fictional story would be, with a protagonist you can relate to and want to root for, and a happy ending where he gets the girl. So the book pretty much fits into the same "social conditioning" we are all trying to break out of. And by offering to desperate guys the chance of learning to get good with women in the same way they learn to get good at video games, the book ensured a steady revenue stream for Style Inc... never mind …
/r/seduction28/09/11 05:27 AM
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The old playettes board on mASF was carried by only a few popular members, such as Hitori: Of men and dildos Women explained 1 and 2 But that didn't stop Hitori from being awesomely helpful to the guys on that forum. I suggest you make a seductress board and get the ball rolling slowly.
/r/seduction27/09/11 08:19 PM
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Indeed we all do. I would just remind you that life is like a wheel, sometimes you're on the way up, other times you're on the way down, and you're almost never on top or on the bottom. You will probably go through some dark nights and they will be more valuable to you than your best days.
/r/seduction27/09/11 06:48 PM
1

bingo.
/r/seduction27/09/11 05:54 PM
2

Guess what, you will look back on all this shit you wrote and think, "wow I had no fucking clue". In the meantime, have fun! :)
/r/seduction27/09/11 05:14 PM
1

Fuck yes I have beef, with any scumbag low enough to try and sell DVD sets for $200+ to desperate guys. RSD/Style/PUA Training can all suck 10 million dicks. Edit: Here, have some delicious truth
/r/seduction27/09/11 05:12 PM
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I prefer "seductresses"
/r/seduction27/09/11 05:09 PM
1

You are always in the present moment. Think about that. You do not always have to be super social. In fact you don't have to do anything at all. But if you want to have an easy time in conversations, all you have to be is real. Forget everything you heard about "value". What a shitty marketing term. "Oh noes my market value is dropping, must increase value!"
/r/seduction27/09/11 02:40 AM
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From your question I will guess you are 15 years old. Therefore I suggest you do whatever the fuck you want, because you don't have a job or any major responsibilities yet. That means getting the fuck off this seduction forum (don't worry it will still be here when you turn 18) and enjoy your life as much as possible. As for the girl, she obviously likes you, so just try and talk to her and get to know her better. Eventually the two of you will be alone and I'm sure one thing will lead to anothe…
/r/seduction27/09/11 02:29 AM
0

Some social reject who calls himself "Tyler Durden" goes on for 20 CD's talking about how to have "inner game" when it's obvious the guy is a fucking mess. You want some inner game? Take notes: The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm The Road Less Traveled by M. Scott Peck The Power of Now and/or A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle And for seduction tips I'd recommend What We Find Attractive by Taylor Truth, aka TheCostOfSuccess
/r/seduction27/09/11 02:19 AM
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I reject the entire premise of the question. Fuck everything you've read about "value", you MADE OUT with her, you HAVE ALL THE VALUE IN THE WORLD. Congratulations, you won the game! Now try to have fun. OK? Just try to have fun. Please stop overthinking this, you're about to have sex for the first time, for the love of god try to enjoy it. Please?
/r/seduction26/09/11 07:09 PM
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One of the HB7's with DD tits motions with her finger at my friend and I in a seductive way. Most obvious IOI I've ever seen. What do I do? I lock up, and ask my friend who does he think that shes pointing to? Me or him? First of all, your heart is in the right place, which is why you got an obvious IOI. This means you are much much better off than some of the community guys here, their heads filled with acronyms and negativity. They don't get IOI's, they are just pickup robots who have limited …
/r/seduction26/09/11 06:59 PM
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It depends what kind of guy you are. Look at "naturals" and you will see a full spectrum of styles. Some guys are like hunters, others are like fishermen. Some guys are super-alpha-macho, others act completely gay and end up fucking all the girls surreptitiously. They are all successful in their own way. So it's hard to give you a concrete answer on this. In my own case I have something called The ProgramTM . Basically when I meet a girl I like she gets put on The ProgramTM . This means I like h…
/r/seduction26/09/11 06:16 PM
1

Guess what man. You've got balls. But do you have heart?
/r/seduction26/09/11 06:09 PM
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No real game involved, things just progressed naturally. Natural game/no game is the best game. And will probably need to edit this, as it is not really a FR per say. Oh dear. Please stay the hell away from the seduction community for you own mental health. Yes this is kind of tongue-in-cheek. You might learn something here but you'll also pick up a lot of toxic mindsets that will take months to un-learn. Better to never learn them in the first place and just go on being your sexy self.
/r/seduction26/09/11 06:07 PM
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Agreed. Lots of guys who are new to the community are going to figure this out after a couple years of fakeness. They will come full circle and remember that their mother's advice was right. (Of course this discussion won't go anywhere until we can agree on what is meant by "yourself" but it's still good advice, for girls and for life)
/r/seduction26/09/11 06:04 PM
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In this context its not different. Yes, it is The quote is too easily misconstrued. Yes, by you for instance Basically this means walk into a venue and wait around, and girls will come to investigate you because they're naturally curious. Unless you have supermodel looks or own the place, its not going to happen. If you're an average guy with average looks, girls aren't gonna go out of their way to meet you if you don't express anything more. That's not exactly the point of the quote. He was bas…
/r/seduction26/09/11 05:55 PM
1

Actually that's one of the great ironies of the seduction community. What could be more feminine than sitting around talking about girls?
/r/seduction25/09/11 01:43 AM
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Morgan Freeman could make "Nice tits, wanna fuck?" sound smooth :P
/r/seduction25/09/11 12:05 AM
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Sometimes the wolf gets dinner.
/r/seduction25/09/11 12:03 AM
1

Let's break it down a bit. If you're overflowing with sexual energy, a little wank here or there is healthy. Takes the edge off. If you're over 25 and haven't been taking the best care of yourself (guilty!) then semen and testosterone should be conserved. I really believe the French call it "un petit mort" for a reason. How about this question. Which is better: Watching porn and not jerking it, or masturbating to fantasies and eliminating porn entirely? I think the answer is clear. Finally there…
/r/seduction23/09/11 08:38 PM
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The emotions are normal, the problem comes up when you identify with them. "MY ex is fucking some other guy, WOE IS ME! Waaaa...." on and on ad infinitum. No, the proper way to deal with the emotions is to feel them fully. In other words, the heartbreak is a beautiful moment and you're ruining it by trying to identify with those feelings. The feelings are fine on their own! Why add or subtract anything from them? They will pass and then you will miss missing her. (cr. Swingers)
/r/seduction23/09/11 08:24 PM
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Here's one little caveat: Most girls want to know that you are attracted to her specifically. Yes you're allowed to be attracted to other girls but if you're with one and she does something you like, for god's sake enjoy it. No need to play head games with a girl you like. I know that's not the point of the so-called abundance mentality--it's an inner game thing--but some guys are trying to use it as a seduction tool and are probably missing out on a lot of fun in favor of head games. And for th…
/r/seduction23/09/11 08:16 PM
2

Field tested?
/r/seduction23/09/11 08:09 PM
3

That 30 second rule I believe was originally El Topo's. So let's just look at what he recommends for conversation. Now imagine you could use those steps or at least the basic framework all the way to the bedroom. Basically just getting deeper and deeper in conversation/pussy...
/r/seduction20/09/11 06:55 AM
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Edit: Seriously dude, I'm sorry. let's talk. What is going on. Break it down for us.
/r/seduction20/09/11 03:29 AM
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Check this video out, man.
/r/seduction20/09/11 01:06 AM
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I've been posting this advice on other threads but I will reiterate it since it's so valuable IMO: hitting rock bottom is the best thing you can do. Ask anyone about a time they hit rock bottom and then ask them what happened in the weeks and months immediately after. Most of them will tell you it was a time when they were able to make huge changes in their life, dropping all kinds of bullshit and finding all kinds of happiness. So take heart, friend. You are on your way.
/r/seduction20/09/11 12:27 AM
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Depression is caused by a mismatch between the heart and the brain. You heart wants one thing while your brain wants another. Perhaps it's a belief, or a relationship that is not working for you anymore. Whatever it is, your heart is pissed and it's going to shut down your body and mind until you listen to it. You're going to look back on this time as a period of incredible growth and maturity. I'm not saying it won't suck, but it's undeniable that the suckage and the growth go hand in hand.
/r/seduction20/09/11 12:20 AM
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He is way old. In fact that's one of the reasons I trust what he says. Anyone who ages that well, I will take note of.
/r/seduction19/09/11 11:53 PM
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He says it right here: This was a very difficult time in my life because I became very fat, got sick around 8 times a year with one sickness overlapping another, and got stuck in my head in a logical mode. Most of my friends started to find me to be a weird person and I pretty much viewed myself as a robot whose only purpose in life was to produce results. This was the same exact time he was promoting his awesome lifestyle and happiness. Turns out it was all lies to sell products. You want some …
/r/seduction19/09/11 10:35 PM
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TD hater. And yeah Mr. Tolle is German, and I promise you, he is more of a man, holding hands with the Dalai Lama, than TD is. Tyler is still drowning in the same sea of bullshit he's been feeding to poor guys for the last 10 years.
/r/seduction19/09/11 09:59 PM
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First of all I would give you the same advice about women your mother gave you: Be yourself. This really, really works. Men constantly fail with women due to fakeness, and constantly succeed when they are real. Never forget that. So with that said, how can you be real and still seduce her? By talking to her. Your body has primacy over your mind... in other words, you are not your mind, your mind is a tool used by your body to get what it wants. So, by talking to a girl and being yourself, all th…
/r/seduction19/09/11 09:34 PM
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Your question betrays a mindset that says you have to impress her in order to get her. Flip the script so that SHE is seducing YOU.
/r/seduction19/09/11 04:38 PM
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You might like this blog. Loners get laid, sometimes much faster than social guys, for obvious reasons. Just go out, meet girls, have fun. Simple.
/r/seduction19/09/11 04:34 PM
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Eckhart Tolle is more of a man than TD will ever be.
/r/seduction19/09/11 04:25 PM
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Tolle FTW
/r/seduction19/09/11 03:08 PM
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The 30 second rule. Every 30 seconds, escalate. Close proximity, eye contact, probing questions, whatever.
/r/seduction19/09/11 02:44 PM
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Build a bridge and get over it.
/r/seduction19/09/11 02:28 PM
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Don't get down on yourself. Just stick to the texting rule--take as long as she takes to get back to you.
/r/seduction19/09/11 02:21 PM
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Have an attractive flaw
/r/seduction19/09/11 02:19 PM
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Next.
/r/seduction19/09/11 02:13 PM
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If you can trick your mind, does that mean your mind is separate from you?
/r/seduction19/09/11 02:09 PM
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Of course they are ;) Just be careful you know what game you're playing.
/r/seduction18/09/11 10:53 PM
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Well listen, you're a little young to be worried about cold approach pickup. Even if the material worked, you lack the context to understand it. At least wait a couple years and listen to Dan Savage. Just my 29-year old opinion. The best way to get over being AFC is to get the F(rustration) under control.
/r/seduction18/09/11 02:43 PM
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So I whip it out, and she is suitably impressed Seductive :P Look bro, this is the last FR I comment on until I can get one up and prove my street cred, but let's just say I'm rafc. And from what I can tell you need to let girls seduce you more. I'm reading too much "value game" and "attraction" game but those things are inconsistent and fleeting. The true game is seduction game. Here's a little tip for how to get into a deeper conversation (all of this is credit El Topo btw): Ask a question ("W…
/r/seduction18/09/11 10:52 AM
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Nice. Are you really 16?
/r/seduction18/09/11 10:30 AM
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Anyway, I finally decided to ask her out and got rejected. great! Atleast I did it and that's when I realized that it's really not that bad. Yes yes yes this times 1000
/r/seduction18/09/11 06:00 AM
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Newbie mission. Fuck numbers or anything of the sort. Just smile and say hi to 20 girls by next week. Go.
/r/seduction18/09/11 05:57 AM
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Hahahaha Try it Edit: GFTOW
/r/seduction18/09/11 05:54 AM
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Fuck getting in state. You're not a robot, you have moods. Deal with it.
/r/seduction18/09/11 05:43 AM
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Do you have the time?
/r/seduction17/09/11 06:06 PM
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"Hi" :)
/r/seduction17/09/11 04:33 PM
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Good luck :) Obey the cock
/r/seduction17/09/11 04:19 PM
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Seduction is a powerful force of evolution going beyond any one individual's motivations. The best thing you can do with a girl is let her become seductive. That will open a whole world you never knew existed. All of a sudden your actions will be automatic and natural, progressing at the perfect speed towards sex. And of course, the actual act of sex is nothing compared to the interaction leading up to it. That is, if you're doing it right. Something like that.
/r/seduction17/09/11 03:46 AM
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He says it right in the second part: "Finding the motive for sex, is sex..." Do you understand what this means and how it applies to seduction?
/r/seduction17/09/11 02:45 AM
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Read it again. He knows what he's talking about.
/r/seduction17/09/11 02:37 AM
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Either it's not actually taking you back and just seems like it, or you've gone off course.
/r/seduction17/09/11 02:36 AM
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Have you ever thought that maybe it's all about the journey, not the destination?
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:41 PM
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Your expectations are too high. For instance, an approach need not involve saying hello. It might simply involve getting within 5 feet of someone. Just to smile and see how they react. It is like this at all times, simply live for the moment (read Eckhart Tolle, lol I bet you heard that one) and the moment will deliver. I have a lot more to say, but it's really hard to say it without making some cliche like "you get what you give" and then it would be hard to point out where you're not doing tha…
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:34 PM
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Yeah man, I can just tell from reading your report, you need to read stuff by this guy. Real seduction stuff. Like this. I could hardly even understand half of it but I know it's the real deal.
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:19 PM
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Start reading Cosy, aka TheCostOfSuccess. He has a forum on his site and everything. I promise it will improve your life tremendously.
/r/seduction16/09/11 06:16 PM
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Also forget everything you read about value, attraction, comfort, "getting in state", voice tonality, and escalation. J/k on that last one :P
/r/seduction16/09/11 06:11 PM
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Don't discount your father's advice. Yes, he comes from a certain tradition where things may have been "simpler" for him, but that doesn't mean things can't be just as simple for you. You want a girl? Go and talk to girls. You're tired of the games? Don't play games. Don't subject yourself to bullshit, externally or internally imposed, that takes away your freedom and replaces it with bondage (anxiety, beliefs, etc) Just remember that your dad is right. A great force of nature is conspiring righ…
/r/seduction15/09/11 03:50 AM
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It's healthy to talk about though. Personally I'm dealing with the effects of how I conducted myself in past relationships, and I feel that it's healthy to look at how your past affects you now. Like treating an overgrown tree, we need to cut off branches in one place and grow new branches in another. And never forget our roots, for they are all connected.
/r/seduction14/09/11 03:19 PM
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Just what the doctor ordered. Edit: Of course, this video is unrelated to my previous comment. My main point is that seduction should not be that difficult when you've got "penis power" and with cougars it should be even easier. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Almost to the point where if you used any extra game beyond escalation/penis power you will actually hurt your chances.
/r/seduction13/09/11 09:59 PM
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OK here's the thing man. If you focus on this too much it will go away. Life just works like that. I suggest you look at it like a bird that just learned how to fly. Are you going to get all self conscious, like "omg what do I do just keep flapping my wings?" or are you going to be proactive like "ok now I think I'll fly over there."
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:28 PM
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Push pull, escalate, close close close
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:26 PM
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the top part of the post Congratulations, bro My question to seddit is how do I make myself more important to her. Ooh, that girl's got game! She is everything I like in a girl. Lies, lies, lies. I have no hand and I need some, or this wont last. What would you have me do? Next. Sorry dude but she's a player. Sometimes life sucks like this, we can't all get what we want. But you will look back on your time with her and hopefully feel positive about it. Maybe the situation doesn't really suck tha…
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:25 PM
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Hey man. You are 18, that means you have about 1.5 million mistakes to make with women before you will feel comfortable around them. So get started on those mistakes, we can't make them for you!
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:20 PM
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Check out Cosy's forum, they don't use the terminology over there. And realize that the "seduction community" used to be much, much worse in pretty much every way. Check out this classic post by TylerDurden from 2003 when he thought he knew everything there was to know about women.
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:17 PM
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Upvote for honesty. This is a seduction forum after all.
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:13 PM
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Hey man, I'm 29, and I know what it feels like to break a girl's trust, even "destroy" her memories, etc... but still, I think Mr. Assassin here has a point. A mature woman will have a sense of what is going on whether you're 100% honest with her or not. Unless you completely lied to her about your relationship status for a long time, then she deserves part of the blame for the breakup. Especially considering her relationship history after you. You can look at it as a "downward spiral" you cause…
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:12 PM
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lrn2maslow
/r/seduction13/09/11 07:03 PM
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You should have paid her to talk, hookers know all about the world and could teach you a lot.
/r/seduction11/09/11 07:15 PM
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"I don't pay them to have sex, I pay them to leave after!" - Charlie Sheen
/r/seduction11/09/11 07:12 PM
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It's how guys have been getting laid for 200,000 years.
/r/seduction11/09/11 07:10 PM
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"Value" game is bad game, let's just put it that way.
/r/seduction10/09/11 09:52 PM
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This answers the question nicely. Also I thought DLV was something you do on purpose to bring yourself back down to Earth?
/r/seduction09/09/11 09:34 PM
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Obey the cock.
/r/seduction09/09/11 09:01 PM
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Leadership.
/r/seduction09/09/11 08:47 PM
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Guys have been getting laid since time immemorial, and they didn't need to learn how to stand or how to talk. They just went and got laid. Think about that.
/r/seduction09/09/11 08:10 PM
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Actually this is decent banter, sorry for the harsh criticism. I just want you to understand the difference between "attraction game" and seduction, aka GAME.
/r/seduction09/09/11 07:54 PM
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The way of GoneSavage :)
/r/seduction09/09/11 07:49 PM
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Talk less, ask more open ended questions, eye contact, close proximity (El Topo rule: Every 30 seconds move a little closer)
/r/seduction09/09/11 07:38 PM
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Just stop conceptualizing everything. You're letting your mind become your worst enemy: It also doesn't help that my friends hook up with HB8-10s. Yes, it does help! For obvious reasons. I've had a couple girls interested in me, including a HB9 that had me shocked and in disbelief, but it never amounts to anything, or I convince myself theres no interest. There's your problem right there. I'm not trying to be a pro pick-up artist, but I do need some attention. Truth. Men need attention, affectio…
/r/seduction08/09/11 10:23 PM
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Yeah I have a similar thing. For now I'm going to chalk it up as simply being too polite to get horny in a public place. I could see myself getting horny in a nightclub environment, but not in the grocery store. And that's fine. What I think happens is the "conscious" horny desire is sublimated into a more "gut level" excitement. In other words, the motivation is still there and you should still trust yourself to get just horny enough for the situation. Any of that make sense?
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:35 PM
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I feel for ya, bro. But get rid of that Benz and get into a Honda. Maybe then you won't be so nervous all the time! :P
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:26 PM
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It's all vibe, yo.
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:23 PM
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I would simply suggest you read more of the following gurus if you want to know about seduction: El Topo, Cosy, GoneSavage, 60 Years of Challenge, and maybe Mankite if you're feeling up to it. Or just listen to your dick. Good luck, all the same :)
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:22 PM
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State training, by Mankite
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:13 PM
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It just looks like a bunch of fluffy "attraction game" and not really any seduction. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Luckily we have a test subject here, so let's see how he does.
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:01 PM
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Good luck, but if you get friend zoned, I would suggest you don't try so hard next time.
/r/seduction08/09/11 08:45 PM
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"well what am I supposed to think when you are looking at me like that." Shit test. but judging by he body language and the tone of her voice it was extremely defensive and seriously. Not really an opening to take things further. More of statement that she didn't like that I brought it up with her. Shit test FAILED
/r/seduction17/07/11 07:04 PM
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So my reaction was to immediately go and sit down next to her, look her in the eyes and say, "So I hear you think I'm gay." She seemed caught off guard at first and then responded negatively about how I was looking at her. Shit test After that I completely wrote the girl off in the context of wanting to get to know her better for any reason, LIES but for the rest of the night I was still really annoyed and found myself acting differently to sort of prove to her that I was not gay. TRUTH
/r/seduction17/07/11 07:03 PM
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