Being a white man in online (left wing) spaces and its affect on mental health

IntermediateDomino · 2021-07-20T01:47:20+00:00

It's always fascinating seeing people who claim to be about acceptance and tolerance be the exact opposite, perhaps this happens because they think they can't be. It simply goes too much against their self-perception, so the deny/ignore their behavior. In leftist cases I more often see them justiying it on some technicality:

"Well, it isn't true bigotry because of this esoteric definition I got from academia."

This is nothing new, people find loopholes everywhere, even in their own moral systems.

It's just so blatant with lefitsts and liberals because they're the American Cultural Hegemony at the moment, and they're on a bit of a crusade so the fervor helps blind them evem more.

I'm reminded of a story I heard about Christians not being allowed to eat meat on a certain holiday, UNLESS it was fish! And some sect had the brilliant idea of leaving meat over in a pond the day before and fishing it up and eating it later, claiming it was in accordance with their religion because the direct passage was something like 'Eat only meat that comes from beneath the water." Or whatever.

Or, think about, the christian teenage girls who gives anal and oral sex to her boyfriend because it doesn't 'really' count as premarital sex.

People honestly jump on the first exuse they can if their principles stand in the way of their desires. They want to have the appearance of adhering to them, but not actually do so (psychologically double-dipping). In the case of online leftism's anti-white and anti-male attitude it is the desire for a scapegoat. Offically they are against racism and sexism, BUT... Loopholes, as I said.

Sorry bud, in that social space you're Satan. Just how the dice landed (they were nudged, and we can talk about why, but the result is the same regardless), I'm afraid.

Imaginary-Sense3733 · 2021-07-20T10:16:36+00:00

I've posted a few times on r/menslib about this (although the abuse I got wasn't anything like as vicious as what you've been through) and got suprisingly positive feedback, it seems like it's a fairly common experience for leftist men, particularly neurodivergent men and increasingly is beginning to affect black men too. I'm particularly encouraged by the positive response on r/menslib; a few years ago that would have been met with vicious hostility there, but I'm unsure of how to improve leftist spaces more generally in this respect.

Lots of young (mostly white, materially secure) women have really internalized the values of the neoliberal societies they grew up in and then welded themselves to leftist movements, where unlike the white men who join up, they find themselves and their worldview completely unchallenged. I have no idea how we'd begin to challenge this on a scale large enough to have an effect though.

Deadlocked02 · 2021-07-20T00:13:58+00:00

It’s all really tiresome. And I’m not even white. I wouldn’t really say this is exclusive to left wing spaces, though. Any man who doesn’t live in a bubble will be exposed to this constantly. I mean, everyone follows newspapers and stuff. You’re bound to see attacks on man eventually. There’s no peace of spirit here. There’s simply not a button you can push to stop seeing this kind of content. Feminists and the woke crowd have no idea of the emotional toll of this demonization. It’s one thing when you decide to browse subs that specifically criticize this male bashing culture, as you’re mentally prepared to see some truly hurtful and outraging content, but it’s entirely different when you just want to relax and not think about anything but still have to deal with this shit. It must feel really good to be able to be online or watch your entertainment without feeling you’re constantly under attack and without being blamed for the problems of the world. Really, one of the privileges I envy the most. But yeah, since I was born in the wrong gender, I have to watch some women getting paid to shit on men and be ok with it, otherwise I have a fragile masculinity.

austin101123 · 2021-07-20T07:43:45+00:00

God it's fucking unending. I get smeared as right wing all the fucking time, even without regard to me being white or male. Often times for supporting men. For bring against female supremacy. For being egalitarian.

I've even been called anti-abortion when I am for it, but was informing about the reasons why people get it and why it should be allowed but against the body autonomy argument.

I literally donate to Bernie Sanders and Charles Booker and helped them campaign. Those are about the 2 most leftist national politicians/viable candidates in the US.

Neveah_Hope_Dreams · 2021-07-20T08:31:39+00:00

Oh my God. This is disgusting and horrific.

May I ask what kind of sites do you get this bullying and harassment? Because it's very much the best for you to take avoid them. Take breaks and maybe even get rid of them all together and leave. You deserve better than to be attacked by online brainwashed sheep who have nothing better to do in real life then be glued to the screen attacking random strangers.

And let me get this straight. When you where little you where called a 'worthless talentless loser'? From bullies at school? From your own parents? What kind of community are you living in?

I honestly strongly connect to this. I'm an Autistic neutral standing childfree woman who is outspoken on overpopulation and gender inequality, especially men's rights. I've been treated like shit from both left wingers and right wingers online because I happen to be a centrist and don't identify with any side. One radical Leftist SJW called me a 'stupid f..king centrist' when I made the slightest indication that I am a centrist. (I was actually just saying how both sides have strengths and flaws but that is enough for a closeminded sheep to attack me and treat me like a monster). And I've had radical Rightist assholes bitch at me for being a centrist when I defend Hunter Avallone. So you are totally not alone. It really does feel like you are society's enemy, because you are open minded and want to see the world be a better place with peace. And there are many others on here who feel this way because they are a Men's Rights Advocate who happens to be Left Wing.

I want you to understand this. You are not a worthless talentless loser. You have something in you. You are a unique and amazing individual. You are a human being. And from what I can tell you are someone who is going to change the world and make it a better place. One area and a time.

My other advice as well as to get off social media is to also maybe consider finding a new place to live. Sounds like you are living in a disgusting pathetic little Southern town that you shouldn't be wasting your life there. Find a better more safer place. Also you should find communities and support groups. Real life and also online. You'll hopefully find friends there.

And hopefully you'll find fellow activists who are fighting the same cause as you. Men's rights, gender equality, racial equality, Autism acceptance and ending bullying! Continue the fight and be that voice. And continue being open minded. You will likely open up a person's mind and bring the realisation on people why debates and discussions should be respectful and open minded.

We on this sub believe in you.

throwaway2222aa3 · 2021-07-19T23:19:22+00:00

It's basically scapegoating. People have been doing this for ~2,020 years.

Read more about scapegoating here: https://hegelsbagels.net/posts/eros-nietzsche-and-the-ring-part-i/

UnHope20 · 2021-07-20T02:15:57+00:00

For what it's worth, the Left doesn't give a damn about Jews and they becoming increasingly hostile towards black men.

White feminists use black feminists as proxy-aggressors in the same way that the southern gentry used poor white men as proxy-aggressors against black people.

These mainstream "Left-wing" ideologies are nothing more than a tool that the wealthy use to control the masses.

The "Woke" left are really the economic elite. Public demonstrations are just a hobby for them because they have nothing else to do with their time. They've found a (Mostly) socially acceptable avenue through which to satisfy their sadistic urges or engage in moral grandstanding.

There isn't anything brave or revolutionary about being a "Woke" Gen-z or Millennial. They are conforming to the social norms of their peers.

There is nothing stunning and brave about being a radical feminist in 2021. Unless you live deep in the Bible-belt States or some 3rd-World country where no one has any power but the people at the very top.

The "Woke" aka The Sound Asleep, aren't a threat to injustice. On the contrary; they are a tool of injustice. They are just another voting bloc to be corraled by the Left-ish parties in the same way that religious fundamentalists are a voting bloc for the Right-ish parties.

The woke Left are The Conservatives!

And NO I didn't mean to say "The woke Left are the same as conservatives!

I mean that they ARE The conservatives.

DevilishRogue · 2021-07-20T11:07:06+00:00

There are bad people all across the political spectrum. But it takes a special kind of nastiness and hypocrisy to use racism against one skin color whilst claiming to be against it for others.

Tesco5799 · 2021-07-20T14:10:17+00:00

Personally I just try to ignore all of the 'white man racist' nonsense. I mean the arguments that are used are plainly false, and tbh very America centric. Just by looking at different countries around the world, its clear that we're all 'racist' in our own ways.

In India for instance there are large populations of Muslims and Hindus, and they hate eachother. I remember the genocide in Rwanda in the 90's (white people tend to get blamed for that one but to my knowledge we weren't there handing out machetes). Also think of the things the Chinese government is doing to their own people. Its crazy to argue that only white people are racist, and honestly I don't forsee that argument lasting, and anyone screaming about it from the rooftops is plainly an idiot.

YesAmAThrowaway · 2021-07-20T06:55:57+00:00

The mere premise that a climate adaptation of your skin is supposed to prevent you from getting people shitting on you is ridiculous.

For some sanity, I recommend thisissavvy on tiktok (I have that app mainly just to watch her videos, think she's on youtube too).

xeverxsleepx · 2021-07-19T23:59:37+00:00

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politicsthrowaway230 · 2021-07-20T19:07:12+00:00

Creating a race-segregated space would be a disaster. I don't think that's workable at all and I don't think race is the issue at hand. You would find yourself quickly rejected as some neo-Nazi message board.

What I do find is that I struggle to find people who I align well with politically. Find an anti-woke person then they turn out to be a misandrist or gender-critical or start saying weird things about race. Have never been able to win them all.

Remember this is all a performance to a lot of people. They make a huge song and dance about never befriending <insert anything deviating from faux-progressive wokeism> etc. then you look at the people who they associate with and find plenty. (hell, one of the most woke girls I know went out with a hard-right libertarian) I even found one woke dude make misogynistic jokes in private that were absolutely horrible. Don't take it too seriously.

ninja_deli · 2021-07-20T20:01:23+00:00

The best thing you can do is what I did. Realize that everyone is the same. Their beliefs may be different but how those beliefs drive their actions, and generally, what the basics of their actions consist of are exactly the same. The left and the right are the same, which is why I don't subscribe to either side. Both are just as bad as the other. I think once you realize this it's pretty freeing. And it will help you be ok with yourself. Which is honestly the most important thing. You need to be ok with yourself when maybe no one else is. You are worth it. Know that everyone around is the same, and they they are wrong about you. That's all you can really do. It starts from within. And when it comes from within you will be ok.

LolwhatYesme · 2021-07-20T23:28:08+00:00

It's not just online. It's fucking everywhere. Casual misandry and racism are rampant as fuck. I mean yes, it's online, but it's also found in popular mainstream TV shows, popular YouTube channels, newspapers, workplaces, pubs, and amongst your friends.

You're right about not fighting against it though. Like creating a social media platform for disenchanted left wing white men would be social suicide. You might even lose your job etc.

Jazzlike-Parsley-566 · 2021-07-21T20:00:23+00:00

I'm sorry you have been victimized and feel this way. Thank you for sharing your experience.

I am angry too and I do my best but it's not the easiest to be patient. I hope you can find acceptance somewhere positive

adam-l · 2021-07-20T00:30:54+00:00

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BloomingBrains · 2021-07-20T08:08:09+00:00

I'm autistic, feminine, gay, socially awkward, been a NEET several times, extreme cases of mental illness

Somehow, I don't think anyone imagined any of those things while calling you a MAGA Trump lover. Which I know is why you pointed that out, but it just shows the ultimate irony about what they're doing. They are the ones making assumptions about people without even knowing them, which is the logic of the bigotry they claim to be against.

Honestly, and I know this sounds like really trite advice, but it might be a good idea to just not make those kind of public statements that get you called a Maga Lover. Don't waste your time picking a fight you know you won't win and will only make you feel worse. Life is too short to waste it talking to idiots that you have no chance of persuading and will only treat you like crap. Because if logic worked on them, they wouldn't be idiots in the first place. Instead, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Maybe try focusing on talking to likeminded people more. This sub has calmed me down a lot and given me a more positive outlook. You've done a good thing for yourself just by posting here once already. At the same time, I just use the internet less in general and focus on more real life conversations. People are generally more mature and reasonable in them because they don't have the protection of anonymity. I know that's hard to do when you don't have real life friends, but maybe that will give you some incentive to go out and try to make some.

Phantombiceps · 2021-07-20T12:41:51+00:00

I really appreciate this post but I question that there is any left in America. I am not dismissing your experience, i just think of left as being about the masses, and whites are the single largest working class group in the US. The abuse you experience is very , very, real, I just think these people are total fucking poseurs. Keep up the fight.

Pwr-usr69 · 2021-07-20T01:34:26+00:00

Can you elabirate on how you're treated badly here and why your race is relevant to that?

2717192619192 · 2021-07-20T03:55:03+00:00

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Title	Being a white man in online (left wing) spaces and its affect on mental health
Author	xeverxsleepx
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Date	July 19, 2021 10:29 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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