Men are willing to take the "redpill's harsh truths", but refuse to accept any other truths that counteract it. Why?

neoexileee · 2022-05-21T14:28:52+00:00

I think...that's it takes less effort to complain than to go out there and learn how to have a happy marriage.

We have resources like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-isa2lp4Bg

Also, you can't expect a girl to be xyz while you aren't xyz. You watching TV all day isn't adding any value to anyone. I'm married and my girl wants to go out everywhere and travel a lot. I go along with it because otherwise I'm at home watching TV. Her hobby is much healthier than mine.

SoIlikeMangos · 2022-05-21T14:07:31+00:00

They really act like they haven't seen short men, fat men, bald guys, low wage workers getting married. Only cHaD gets pussy.

whatdaheckk98 · 2022-05-21T17:40:56+00:00

They all have a confirmation bias

ElijahJ97 · 2022-05-21T16:10:47+00:00

You answered your own question, the majority of these young men do spend most of their time glued to a computer screen. Most don't go out much so they base their attitudes about women on the only experiences they've had with the opposite gender which are the girls who rejected or ridiculed them in high school.

Along with that there's also a big narcissism problem among many of these men where they'd rather believe that all women "Won't date any man under 6 feet tall" even though that belief makes zero sense they'll swear by it because it takes all fault away from them.

That way in their minds there's nothing wrong them it's women's ridiculous standards that are keeping them from getting a girlfriend. It's pretty much just a defense mechanism they use to protect their fragile egos

porkchop_47 · 2022-05-21T18:18:09+00:00

Online Radicalization tends to keep people in echo chambers. So even if they saw a short married man, they would just assume that he also makes a lot of money and that’s how he was able to get a wife. There’s a “reason” for every exception you can think of, they’ll rationalize it somehow.

Red_Trapezoid · 2022-05-21T22:30:38+00:00

I have a hypothesis. I think these men are willing to accept these "harsh truths" because they actually aren't that harsh. RP stuff boils down to all women being stupid and evil. Which is quite fortunate for the men who don't have to do much introspection.

The real harsh truth is that these men are absolutely awful people. They're the bad guy. And not a "cool" bad guy like Scarface or something but a creep more like Mamoru Uchida from Perfect Blue. There's not a guy on the planet who is like that who wants to face the fact that they are like that. It's too heavy.

oeuf_fume · 2022-05-21T18:37:37+00:00

if the truth hurts
and honesty is brutal...
THEN
what hurts must be true
and brutality is honest

Naus1987 · 2022-05-21T16:10:23+00:00

The ultimate truth is that people are dumb. All genders. All ages. All economic levels.

It’s the kind of thing that makes democracy seem almost scary sometimes. But honestly any government ruled by humans is inherently flawed.

verdantsound · 2022-05-21T17:44:41+00:00

it’s easier to do nothing and accept handouts than to actually do something and risk it

WhoDoomsTheDoomer · 2022-05-21T20:01:30+00:00

I think a lot of them can be too self-obsessed. Whenever I read something like 'these short/fat/bald/low-wage get dates' my immediate response was 'OK but those guys aren't me'

xvszero · 2022-05-21T21:08:58+00:00

Because most of the truths that counteract it require them to become different and, in a lot of cases, more ethical human beings. Easier to just blame women.

starspider · 2022-05-21T23:46:34+00:00

Because it allows them to shift the blame onto women.

Kaleidoscopefatigue · 2022-05-22T07:10:23+00:00

Because Redpill is a giant cognitive distortion

goodboy92 · 2022-05-21T13:59:06+00:00

This should be rewarded but unfortunately I don't have money. Wise words buddy.

JonF1 · 2022-05-21T21:00:01+00:00

They're terminally online. There's a big spike in this stuff during and after the pandemic. Touch grass seems like acrass and trite response but it's right...

They also have fundamental understand of science. They think science is absolute fact when science actually has to be falsifiable...

Training_Passenger79 · 2022-05-21T21:24:42+00:00

Is that what you’re seeing? Maybe you have bad luck. I’ve had good luck with younger guys.

I do notice that they become very unwilling to listen when people objectify them and lecture them with apathy while explaining why they are at fault for how other people treated them due to their habit of objectifying others and failing to empathize with them.

I can relate to that, as I’m always very skeptical when I think I’m talking to a hypocritical person who weaponizes science and logic to win arguments…because I know that they are almost always speaking from a standpoint of bias, they start out with the firm conviction that they are right about everything, and they’re not interested in anything that might contradict them.

If I think I’m talking to someone like that, I mentally ready myself for battle straight out of the gate.

I think it’s possible that the people you’re talking to might be assuming that you’re that kind of a person….

Maybe it’s the way you present your argument, or it could be that, since they are clearly struggling with trying to figure out who they can and can’t trust, they actually look at your account and they find comments like this one.

When you step into their shoes, this comment looks really bad. It makes you look pretty cruel and dehumanizing towards a group of people who are obviously going through some stuff.

It’s also possible that they think you’re actually coming from a place of bitterness and resentment towards their demographic - another form of objectification.

Lastly, people always pick up on it when you’re speaking to them with an end goal in mind. Kind of like how you immediately know when a sales person at a clothing store desperately wants to tell you about their deals or get a credit card. It’s instinctive knowledge. Nobody receives a person like that with trust and genuine attention.

I’m not saying these things are true of you - but what I’m trying to say is that they are true for a lot of people out there, so that is the stereotype you have to fight against, unfortunately.

Just like the way women need to protect themselves in the dating game from being manipulated by a red pilled guy, so they have to suspect all men are red pilled for the sake of self-preservation ; these young men need to protect themselves from people who will objectify them, try to win arguments at all cost (even if it’s at their expense), humiliate them, and otherwise do them harm and violate their trust in humanity.

I’ve had good luck with younger guys, believe it or not. But, when I do, it’s because I had started off by demonstrating that I am different in that I’m willing to listen, that I relate to their feelings, that I see them as an individual rather than a stereotype, and that I am not trying to change them or force them to admit the error of their ways.

Maybe if you try that more people will be receptive to what you have to say?

Good luck. I like that you respect science and logic…same here! I think we agree that the evidence against red pill is pretty obvious when a person is willing to be objective about it!

unlivedbread · 2022-05-21T15:04:09+00:00

Same reason anyone thinks in black and white. It makes sense of a situation that you don't understand. Even if your conclusion is wrong. It's better that not knowing to them

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kkkan2020 · 2022-05-24T21:42:10+00:00

Think of it like religion. Red pill i.e Christianity. You would get pretty ticked something is challenging your world view and who you are as a person. Basically you were wrong. And we know not many people like being wrong

Randomamigo · 2022-05-25T23:07:34+00:00

Doesnt sound like the redpill, sounds like a blackpill

Title	Men are willing to take the "redpill's harsh truths", but refuse to accept any other truths that counteract it. Why?
Author	Shrimplores
Upvotes	83
Comments	103
Date	May 21, 2022 12:44 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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