Question 4 The Red Pill: What do you consider hoe/thot/slut/whore/pump and dump behavior?

social_mule · 2022-12-25T01:49:41+00:00

Your title says question for red pill but your flair says question for blue pill. I'm just gonna answer here but not without a long, rambling preamble chock full of personal anecdotes.

Buckle up buckaroos.

I've noticed that it's become a trend among thots masquerading as non-thots to throw around certain catch phrases. One of these catch phrases is I date with a purpose or something along those lines.

I know one such girl who has a track record of dating complete losers but she's pretty enough to secure a first date with a high caliber man. So she went on one date with one doctor and now she markets herself as a woman who dates doctors. She even says this in tandem with the aforementioned catch phrase.

I only date with a purpose and I date doctors sounds impressive but it's all smoke and mirrors and it's completely negated by her other actions. I'll get back to her. Let's call this woman Winifred.

I know another girl with a similar track record but now she likes to say...you guessed it...she dates with a purpose. But she's looking for something serious with a certain type of man that she can grow and build something with. Settle down, have kids and practice gentle parenting.

Problem is her talking points are also negated by her actions. Let's call this woman Gertrude.

You see both Winifred and Gertrude are mega thots. They wear trashy outfits, post thirst traps (I only recently learned what a thirst trap was...from Gertrude no less) and actively seek out attention from low caliber men. Likes, shares, sliding in their DMs etc. They live for this shit.

Neither of these women will ever be the wife of a doctor, lawyer, professor etc even though that's the type of woman both of them attempt to portray themselves as to their circle of thot friends.

But they exhibit the type of behavior described two paragraphs up. And they actually get pumped and dumped on a fairly consistent basis.

Some guys may give an exhaustive list of traits that qualify a woman as hoe/thot/pump and dump material and these lists are worth paying attention to. But I'm going to boil it down to a single, solitary trait.

They crave lots of attention from multiple men. They want likes, they want shares, they want heart emojis from complete strangers. They place a premium on low investment attention from large quantities of lower tier men. And they act out in ways that scream low value in order to get it. Talking loud, being overly sexual in public amongst strangers, dressing provocatively, posting half naked selfies, letting everyone know they're on their period every single month etc.

abaxeron · 2022-12-26T10:20:02+00:00

unacceptable behavior for a woman you intend to wife up or just commit to

History of involvement in porn/ "sex work"/ rampant promiscuity/ "relationship" with criminal/gangster/drug dealer men that she tries to hide.

Adherence to "queer fashion" (especially the dreaded side shave) despite no history of same-sex relationships.

Compulsively made piercing/tattoos.

Astrology / witchcraft / wicca / spiritism / MBTI / socionics on a serious level. Insta-GTFO.

Pathological bad luck streak. If within, say, 5 years she "by pure accident" trashed 4 cars, burned 3 houses, lost 7 cellphones, and "oopsied" 6 pets that ran away, it's not the world that something is wrong with. It's her.

Obsession with having a pet that cannot live in an enclosure.

Taking more than 10 seconds to answer the question "How much money do you have".

History of non-medical abortions.

Degree and/or employment in music, drama, dancing, or professional team sports.

In no way a complete list, but works like a good quick guideline for me.

DrinkItInMan11 · 2022-12-25T01:42:13+00:00

Goes to the clubs every week
Hangs around other women that are hoes
Drinks a lot of booze
Does drugs
Entertains a lot of men
Is a "party girl"
Complains that there's no "good men" out there.

JDWhiz96 · 2022-12-25T12:54:16+00:00

Girls who:

Party all the time

Are dishonest

Lack accountability (though to be fair, most women lack this)

Dress promiscuously everywhere (I.e, wearing a bralet and booty shorts to Target in 50 degree weather)

Cuss frequently

Discuss sex without refrain

Are always drunk or seem like it. Ditto for being high

M3taBuster · 2022-12-25T18:14:48+00:00

Disclaimer, I am purple pill overall, but I'm thoroughly red pill on this particular issue. So I hope that qualifies me to answer, but if not, feel free to remove this.

First and absolute foremost is obviously actually being low n-count. If you're in your 20s, that means 1 or 2, maaaybe 3. If you're in your 30s, it's about 5 or less--but at that point it almost doesn't matter because you're automatically not an ideal prospect if you're still single in your 30s.

And it also matters how you accrued that n-count. If you've ever had a ONS or casual sex even once, you're automatically a hoe. Not to mention threesomes, group sex, or non-monogamy. And even if you only have sex within a "relationship", if you put out quickly, that's questionable behavior, especially if it's a pattern. Really you should be waiting at least 1 year. Maybe 6 months if you were long-time close friends prior to dating.

And if you, yourself are a virgin, then you are entitled to a partner who is also a virgin, and should settle for nothing less. But on the flip side, if you're not a virgin, then the most you can demand is a low-n partner.

Now, some examples of "hoe behavior" that aren't necessarily directly related to n-count (though, they likely correlate):

- dressing immodestly in public

- wearing too much makeup/a particular style of makeup (you know the one)

- posting immodestly dressed or sexually provocative selfies on social media

- sharing details about your sex life with friends or anyone else

- staring at other men or commenting on their appearance, even actors or celebrities

- having too "loose" of an attitude toward concepts such as casual sex, cheating, non-monogamy, or degenerate kinks, even if she says she'd never partake in them herself; a woman with strong morals should be at least a bit judgmental toward these things

- having tattoos or body piercings

- talking about sex or making sexual jokes too frequently

- even jokingly referring to herself as a "slut", or "bad bitch", or anything of the like

- getting drunk in public or at social gatherings, or doing any other type of drug at all

- going to bars, nightclubs, or parties, like... ever, especially without you or for a "girl's night"

- twerking, dancing provocatively, mimicking sexual movements, or making provocative hand or facial expressions at social gatherings, even jokingly

- having a suspiciously large number of male friends, and/or spending time with them alone, rather than exclusively in group settings

- not exhibiting enough jealousy/possessiveness/mate-guarding (because those demonstrate an exclusive, monogamous mindset)

- having any other hoes in her social circle (women or men)

fizeekfriday · 2022-12-26T10:31:36+00:00

Any sort of comment that lets me know you're trying to size me up or compare me to other men.

Questions about my income when money wasn't even brought up

An inability to enjoy peace and quiet. Glorification of the party life which we know is ultimately soulless and empty.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-12-25T02:21:54+00:00

I had very high standards. A lot of vetting (maybe excessive amounts of vetting), but as a man with options, any orange flag would be enough for me to no longer commit.

So I'll start with a big one.

Mean spirited

There was a girl that I strung along for a while strictly because she was just so hateful (to other men, specifically). Like think of a typical FDSer, personified in a human. Her attitude towards men made it easy for me to not give a fuck about the direction of our relationship.

Entitled

Look, I always paid on dates. It's not even a big deal. But at least have the common decency to offer to pay your half. I'm ok with bratty behavior, but I feel it needs to be earned.

High bodycount

When I first started dating (around 2005-2010 era), I went in completely clean slate. I had no preconceptions about promiscuous women. Until I dated a few. I don't care what nonsense women want to say, high n women are always lower value. They're either damaged, have ridiculous "build-a-man" standards, or just straight up manipulators. Sometimes all three. It only took me a few years as a clean slate to see this as a huge red flag from then on.

Masculine behavior

Just argumentative, brash, looking to challenge me all of the time. Trying to pull dread on me. Just something I don't want to deal with long term.

Not my looksmatch

Just being honest. If a girl was not as good looking as me or better, I'd just pump and dump. No point committing when I could get much better looking women.

lordy36 · 2022-12-25T06:17:47+00:00

High n count and shit talking her "friends" are the most disgusting. Almost beyond a rational/explainable level. Sloppy and loud/ lacking elegance almost as bad.

Domineering/acts like a man sometimes is bad but workable, as a woman can at least maintain elegance while acting like this despite being a pain the ass.

Loyalty by far most important. Loyalty, elegance, not too friendly to others. Doesn't hang out with guys. Has a few close girlfriends who she is actually loyal to.

Brandy96Ros · 2022-12-26T15:22:46+00:00

I'm always astounded by the sociopathic mentality of men who would sleep with women they despise just to "pump and dump" them. Sickos. The kind of men that all women should stay away from and not touch with a ten foot pole.

RGL137 · 2022-12-26T05:58:59+00:00

I don’t care if a woman has been in sexual relationships, just not interested in a woman who’s had copious amounts of casual sex. I have only ever had sex with women I was at least reasonably interested in dating, so, I’m looking for a woman with similar ideals. The way I see it, a woman who throws herself around either doesn’t value her body as much as I personally think she ought to, and/or she had her fun and now she wants a man to “settle down with” in which case haha nah 500 guys got to ride for free now you want me to take out a car loan? Pass.

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KayRay1994 · 2022-12-25T18:29:08+00:00

walking around with giant neon signs pointing downwards to her vaginal area

Pills-Desk2041 · 2022-12-25T19:18:26+00:00

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West-Ad-9697 · 2022-12-25T19:25:31+00:00

what do men of higher moral standing and relationship value like you

LOOL. I think you need to talk to incels if you are concerned with "high moral standing" :D

you consider to be unacceptable behavior for a woman you intend to wife up or just commit to?

Financial irresponsibility. I am at a point where if I see a woman wearing even fake labels, I know that's not even a friend I would like to spend money around.

What qualities do you consider good in women that produce a desire to commit to them?

Extroversion combined with good emotional intelligence and people skills(this includes temperament, fashion sense, and beauty). I had a few partners that were like that - and besides the magnetism and sex, she enhanced my pick up skils(let's call them superficial charm and gift of gab), my professional opportunities, my networking abilities and my perceived status - because your girl can brag about you all night, and you can still be the modest and humble dude.

SoldierExcelsior · 2022-12-25T22:13:20+00:00

If she's had sex with many men anything over 10 if she's over 30 if she allready has children if she has any mental health drug or alcohol issues if she's a feminist woke or not willing to get on my page for example If she wants lavish vacations every month and I'm trying to save for a down payment.

RandomRedditGuy322 · 2022-12-26T03:48:31+00:00

RP men don't seek to commit to a woman. At least not for marriage.

In terms of LTRs, idk maybe a few bodies at most. anything above 3-4 would be a no go for me. But that's for a LTR, not marriage.

Gtedx · 2022-12-27T09:53:05+00:00

Heavy into IG and social media in general. Heavy makeup use, drug use, going out a lot, wearing expensive designer brands, tattoos, children from previous relationships, loud, masculine, n-count over 5. These are some of the traits that will make me put a woman in the ‘’recreational use only’’ bucket.

Title	Question 4 The Red Pill: What do you consider hoe/thot/slut/whore/pump and dump behavior?
Author	Sucks2Suck88
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Comments	116
Date	December 24, 2022 11:45 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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