Two question for bluepillers

fakingandnotmakingit · 2023-01-24T19:52:15+00:00

Everyone is shallow and society is atomising further, making it harder to reach out to people

chalkandapples · 2023-01-24T19:30:21+00:00

Yes, we are not as considerate as we should be. I don't see any of this IRL, but at least here, I see a lot of just selfishness. You just push for the thing that makes your life better/easier, without any consideration for how that will impact your partner or just how the opposite gender experience the world. Lots of people just don't seem to care as long as they're happy themselves. Or they make their own values overshadow everyone else's. They want to make the decision on what the opposite gender wants, to say they should be happy with X, without actually listening to what the opposite gender is saying, nor seem to care. I guess too selfish and self centered?
Probably social isolation, not enough exposure to people. Or only exposure to other selfish and self centered people.

CruelAngelGradThesis · 2023-01-24T19:36:21+00:00

There has been strife and conflict in all human relationships since the very first walked this earth
See #1

neetykeeno · 2023-01-24T23:02:10+00:00

1) yes. A sizable and indeed growing proportion of society is still denied the material resources necessary to nurturing themselves to meet developmental milestones on time...for examples housing they can afford at an age they need it. Patriarchy still lingers like the smell of a rancid fart in areas of existence like housework. Society lacks scripts for and support for the inevitable residue of the system of mate findiing. And of course individual dysfunction still afflicts individuals.

2) Largely the reason has been unfettered capitalism with very little responsibility taken by democratic government for its various failures to deliver. Government needs to take an active role in ensuring affordable housing. We need to continue to point out remnants of patriarchy and slowly grind them out of existence. Persistently single people need more options that are not exploitative of them whether they stay out or try to get back in to the system they are a residue of....for example government run dating agencies so at least there's something trying to be better not just more profitable, community centres for socialising etc.. And more research into individual dysfunction needs to happen.

wtknight · 2023-01-24T23:26:00+00:00

Is their anything wrong with our current society and the way men and women interact with each other?

Yes. Average men aren't trying hard enough to improve themselves to make themselves attractive to women. Average women are having casual sex with too many men out of their league who will never commit to them.

What are the reasons for this? What can be done to maintain or fix this?

Shame both sexes having casual sex. Encourage monogamy but don't socially force women to partner up if they don't want to like what was done in the past. This makes it so that a woman's attractiveness match has to still work to become attractive enough to her, while not allowing her to compare this "match" to men who she has messed around with in the past.

Feisty-Saturn · 2023-01-24T18:26:55+00:00

No there isn’t.

Safinated · 2023-01-24T19:21:15+00:00

If you think people should be able to make their own decisions freely and do what they want as long as it doesn’t directly hurt or affect others, no, there is nothing wrong with present society

All else flows from that belief

waffleznstuff30 · 2023-01-25T01:35:53+00:00

Yes. I think there is a disconnect. We have one sex that likes women for the utility of women and not for the connection with women. In some circles women too with the whole "dating for his money" "6ft 6 figures 6 pack" mentality. You see a lot of posts here about "submission" "low body count". And expect women to look past their short comings and flaws but not willing to look accept women's and theirs. We are forgetting a very essential thing we are people and deserve decency and understanding. We are not dating for utility we should date for connection. With women progressing asking men for the same in the real world it's not that absurd. There are plenty of amazing men out there. And plenty of them end up in great relationships. They aren't "HVM" or "alpha sigma giga Chad" just dudes. And most people meet someone they can connect with. It's not just value this value that. It's just finding someone you click with and going for it. Not for the utility of someone but how well you connect.
I think the disconnect here is social media. People get into echo Chambers (thru TikTok YouTube and instagram and can anger bait). You have disgruntled men mad at rejections consuming red pill content wanting some kind of acceptance and take on these awful takes because of course modern women must be the reason why you are undesirable not the fact you don't do much . Women in some regards with #allmenaretrash #killallmen nonsense. It becomes a vacuous space of just one opinion. So if you hear a bunch of horror stories about dudes with an unwashed butthole saying some sexist drivel you may assume all dudes have unwashed buttholes and horrible takes. Same with women, you hear stories of women cheating then leaving an honest guy out on the street to run away with her foreign lover on your dime. And it harbors a resentment or apprehension of the other. And we have had nothing but time to consume this kind of content because of the pandemic. Also I think dating apps have caused a general rift in human interaction due to being single in the pandemic we have resorted to them. We are basing our compatibility, off of a paragraph and some photos. I think unplugging from the internet gaining some hobbies and life experience would help detox.

HolyPipidastra · 2023-01-25T12:26:20+00:00

No

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-01-24T18:38:37+00:00

1) everyone spends too much time on thief phones or posting than actually interacting or living life. So many times you’ll see people at other tables clearly out in dates and he’s looking at DFD while she’s taking pictures of the food to post on Insta.

2). We can start remembering that real life and what’s real is more important than the images we are trying to sell of ourselves online.

Raileyx · 2023-01-24T18:30:00+00:00

by and large, I think things are fine now. Sometimes people lack respect for each other, and men in particular sometimes lack respect for women. By respect I don't mean any sort of deep reverence, but just the understanding that the other person is a fully autonomous being with complex feelings, desires etc. just like yourself, and should be treated with dignity. Some guys just didn't get the memo that all of that applies to women and they still treat women as if they're lesser in a way. That's not good. But the majority of guys don't do that. And let it be said that some women suck as well and don't treat respect men enough either.
probably compensating for something. I recall reading a study where less successful individuals were quicker to become aggressive against the other gender, so it's probably a coping mechanism of sorts. I think overall, society is already doing a lot to move things in a good direction now. So just stay the course, and we'll be fine.

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John_Oakman · 2023-01-24T20:18:12+00:00

The moral guardians that be spend so much time and effort worrying over those with ulterior motives but unable to formulate a response against the blatantly materialistic and selfish. This both explains why redpill types claim victory in every debate while the anti-redpills simultaneously proclaim the lack of a threat while also bemoaning a lack of motivations among the masses.

Solution is as simple as it is immoral: give the have nots a sense of immaterial motivation rather than demanding the purest of moral virtues.

EugeneCezanne · 2023-01-25T00:14:39+00:00

Yes. At any given time in human history, the answer is Yes.
The modern era has seen the sudden rapid expansion of women's rights, liberties, autonomy and voice. The social understanding of what it means to be a woman has similarly expanded. Masculinity, however, has been much slower to evolve. Meanwhile, information technology has advanced in ways which connect us more deeply to whatever we want to see while alienating us from what's actually around us. The result is a modern masculine culture that is least equipped to reconcile with modern femininity, and struggling with its own internal urge to move even further in the wrong direction; this, as well as a modern femininity that is stuck i patterns of overcompensation for history of repression. We are in the middle of a chapter in history, and no one agrees where it's going to end.

Minachoupinette · 2023-01-25T08:04:44+00:00

1.We see people of both sexes describe their chaotic relationships and/or give advice based on that. They monopolize the public discourse. Then average men and women internalize it and interact with eachother based on those crazy takes. Dating becomes a weird thing where both parties try to take the most while giving the least possible. The saner people euther get lucky and date eachother or decide all that crazyness aint worth it and focus on their goals

We need to decipher real issues from chronically online takes. Your average woman isn't an onlyfan model. The average man isn't Andrew Tate. We (well men mostly, women aldready left for the most part) need to delete dating apps and find ways to meet eachother organically. That was the purpose of balls, we need somethint similar

Title	Two question for bluepillers
Author	NoInjury1499
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Date	January 24, 2023 5:47 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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