Reminder: the stat behind "women suicide attempts are 3x mens" ignores that the vast majority of attempts are self reported and it's more likely men just don't report.

ElisaSKy · 2023-03-01T02:27:37+00:00

Also, dead men tell no tales. That guy who killed himself, how many tries did it take him?

You can ask his grave, but it won't answer.

enjoycarrots · 2023-03-01T02:52:29+00:00

Also, some of the female suicide attempt statistics that you see mentioned are including a wide range of "self harm" behaviors as suicide attempts, even if they weren't potentially fatal or intended to be fatal.

ArgueLater · 2023-03-01T02:23:50+00:00

Also, I can say from experience: surviving an attempt, I never once thought of telling anyone (back then). What would have been the point?

rabel111 · 2023-03-01T02:41:25+00:00

Absolutely true. Men who attempt suicide are very unlikely to report it, and are more likely to be effective in their methods. These men are not counted, and are made invisible in the statistics.

The rates of women who attempt suicide include women who self-harm, whether they intended suicide or not. The whole statistic is a crock of sh#t, and has been used by feminist researchers to redirect funding for and focus on the male suicide crisis to women's services (i.e. jobs for the girls).

Men who self harm, are not counted in the statistics.

redTanto · 2023-03-01T03:35:12+00:00

Interestingly, also, men have much higher success rate.

killcat · 2023-03-01T06:09:43+00:00

And a woman taking a handful of pills and calling her ex-boyfriend is recorded as an attempt.

TheDwiin · 2023-03-01T04:33:35+00:00

There is more to it than that.

Suicide attempts aren't actively tracked like completed suicides, and any form of self harm, accidental or intentional, was looked at when they came up with the statistic.

KrazyJazz · 2023-03-01T08:24:24+00:00

It's because we're better at suicide than women. (Paraphrasing George Carlin).

[Edited to add link]

maluminse · 2023-03-01T06:05:16+00:00

Attempt vs succeeds....

NesVier · 2023-03-01T06:27:27+00:00

Yes. It's like the fact that some mental complications, such as depression, are more prevalent in women. We don't know it at all for all the bias when it comes to that diagnose. Men don't tend to go looking for assistance when they are experiencing depression. But we act as if that meant that they experience it less.

MD-pounding-puss · 2023-03-01T12:35:37+00:00

As a medical doctor working in psychiatry here's my 2 cents.

Women use suicide attempts more frequently for attention, sympathy or coercion as a means to get what they want.

A 19-year old taking 10 pills of paracetamol for instance will still be classified as a "suicide attempt". Even though it's not dangerous in any meaningful way.

suj1290 · 2023-03-01T08:06:44+00:00

If someone wants to kill themselves they will.probablu do it .I don't understand this attempt concept

Achack · 2023-03-01T14:02:21+00:00

I really hate this stat. This guy was telling me he was taking some kind of nursing class and they're taught to take women's suicide issues more seriously because they're 3x more likely to attempt it. As if a higher rate of successful suicides is somehow less important.

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2023-03-01T11:07:54+00:00

It's well known males kill themselves far more than females.

My old history teacher, a male feminist, acknowledged this, but didn't know the reason why

PeterPorty · 2023-03-01T11:38:40+00:00

Who am I supposed to report my suicide attempts to though?

HendoRules · 2023-03-01T14:54:00+00:00

Attention seekers report it, serious people don't. You can guess who are in both categories...

Lolocraft1 · 2023-03-01T04:14:42+00:00

Women suicide attempts are three times more often than men’s, but men’s suicide are three time more often than women’s

It ain’t a question about which gender get it worst. One of them try to kill themselves, while the other manage to do it

Yet I don’t think we talk about this nuance as much as we should in media

AshKetchep · 2023-03-01T05:21:21+00:00

That and women have more attempts they survive from.

Yet another reason to go give my dad a hug next time I see him

echohole5 · 2023-03-01T10:46:10+00:00

An attempted suicide is very different than suicide. An attempt is almost always not really an attempt, it's an attempt to manipulate someone.

It's not hard to succeed at suicide, if someone fails at it, they usually meant to fail.

StoutFanatic · 2023-03-01T13:21:35+00:00

I didn't specifically try, I guess, but I had entirely given up on seeing 25 and engaged in so much reckless behavior with the intent to not survive, I can't even remember it all...but that probably had a lot to do with the drugs.

I'm apparently an incredibly lucky son of a bitch.

Digger_is_taken · 2023-03-01T13:49:44+00:00

There is a huge difference between a "suicide attempt" and a suicide.

Women try to commit suicide more often, but men actually kill themselves more often. So either women are really bad at it, or they're not really trying.

A suicide attempt is generally understood as a call for help. It is a manner of emotional expression. Suicide itself is a logistics question.

solar-garlic1776 · 2023-03-01T14:54:25+00:00

In general, men are more violent even towards themselves. So when we decide on self removal we make we actually do it. With women it's more of a cry for attention

galacticakagi · 2023-03-01T15:25:47+00:00

It also counts purposely non-lethal/attention-seeking “attempts” such as those likely to be committed by persons with HPD/BPD (which overwhelmingly are women, because women are simply more likely to have those personality disorders than men, who are more likely to have other conditions, like ASD.)

Those should not be counted as legitimate attempts/legitimate suicidality because the intent clearly was not to terminate one’s life, but to garner sympathy/attention (particularly so for HPD, with BPD it’s a mixed bag with some being legit due to the extreme nature of the personality disorder, others attention-seekers/manipulators also due to the extreme nature of the PD.)

But of course feminist activists won’t concede this observable reality because reality is feminists’ kryptonite.

G18Curse · 2023-03-01T15:55:52+00:00

How do you take that statistic into account realistically

OkMean · 2023-03-01T18:21:39+00:00

My ex pretended to try to kill herself so many times, just for sympathy and a vacation.

Tom_Crewze · 2023-03-01T18:42:08+00:00

The "success" ratio is far more troubling. All that does is prove one is making a statement, the other is literally ending for lack of options.

InnieLicker · 2023-03-01T19:54:04+00:00

Not even that. Men are more successful than women at it. Women attempt it, men do it.

antifeminist3 · 2023-03-02T03:05:01+00:00

Feminists often talk about toxic masculinity in connection with suicide and how men commit suicide more, but this more reflective of their bias:

Feminist: "Men commit suicide more than women; men are not coming forward; this is toxic masculinity."

This is a dishonest characterization of men not coming forward; men do come forward. Women attempt suicide twice as often as men. At the time of attempted suicide, the person does not know if the suicide will be completed (result in death). When women attempt suicide, women are not coming forward. So feminists ignore a majority of the people who 'do not come forward', and instead restrict their conversion to a subset of those who do not come forward--completed suicide--and then use their own prejudiced stereotypes about men to criticize men.

Women attempt suicide twice as often as men. But I do not think we should criticize women for failing to come forward twice as often as men. First of all, it is part of the disease of depression that tend to cause people to not come forward, and the suicidal ideation that is part of depression also promotes 'not coming forward'. To criticize women for not coming forward would be akin to criticizing women for getting depression. Sound like victim blaming someone for a mental illness.

In addition, society expects men to 'be strong'. Criticize society's expectations if in fact contributes to the lower number of men not coming forward with respect to attempted suicide. To criticize 'toxic masculinity' ascribes fault to men. Feminists are quick to point out 'society's expectation and treatment of women' and how they say it influences women's behaviour, but these feminists discriminate on the basis of sex by not applying the same treatment to men.

In addition, the stigma against showing weakness that is imposed on men comes mostly from women: 'Boys don't cry': Study suggests mothers, not fathers, show gender bias towards sons

Feminist researcher Brene Brown found it is women and not men who impose this on men:

But for men, the overarching message is that any weakness is shameful. And since vulnerability is often perceived as weakness, it is especially risky for men to practice vulnerability...What Brown also discovered in the course of her research is that, contrary to her early assumptions, men's shame is not primarily inflicted by other men. Instead, it is the women in their lives who tend to be repelled when men show the chinks in their armor.

reference(paywall): https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/04/messages-of-shame-are-organized-around-gender/275322/

Teach women to stop shaming men.

The matriarchy tries to silence men. By silencing men about their problems, this means that only women's problems will be addressed, and so creates a bias in favor of women and against men. But the matriarchy hurst women too. By silencing men, the men are less psychologically healthy, which will adversely affect other men and women. Feminists response is to project their tendency to criticize paying attention to men's problems onto men themselves. Smash the matriarchy.

ConCreature_227 · 2023-03-01T08:12:21+00:00

Dial 911

Hello, how can I help you?
Hi, I think I a-a-at-attempted suicide
Can you describe please how did you do that?
I blinked. ... But I was scared! Everything was black!
Do you belong to any gender other than cis male?
Yes, I do
We're proud of you, you're survivor of real tragedy, your braveness won't be forgotten. If any of similar events happen in next few days please call us back. Thank you!

Adds another case to statistics

Dependent_Skill_9924 · 2023-03-01T04:07:49+00:00

Yeah also key word is " attemps " atemps are nothing more than i want attention.

sgtm7 · 2023-03-01T08:43:48+00:00

Women are either not "really" making an attempt, and/or they are just incompetent.

Digger_is_taken · 2023-03-01T13:53:46+00:00

Mods, please pin the suicide crisis hotline to the top of these comments: 800-273-TALK

HaughtyHellscream · 2023-03-01T02:37:53+00:00

Women take pills and have regrets and tell someone. Men use a gun. :(

themolestedsliver · 2023-03-01T18:00:59+00:00

It also ignores the common sense notion in that someone who failed to kill themselves once might keep doing it until they die.

Women on average choose more open-ended "cry for help" type methods such as OD, slitting their wrists or drowning whereas men use direct methods like a shot gun, a noose or jumping from somewhere very high.

Men are more likely to kill themselves and yet feminists STILL feel the need to be part of the conversation. It would be hilarious if it wasn't such a morbid subject.

February272023 · 2023-03-01T18:40:03+00:00

Also just half-assed

trapking3k · 2023-03-01T20:26:04+00:00

What factors do you think make the male suicide rate so high?

2023-03-09T15:00:04+00:00

They didn't waste their time but have no idea why they couldn't see or didn't stay back for family and friends? I didn't report because automatic exposure in family, first responder or friends being severely traumatized. It could be the stigma, but i feel bad for continuing on with life after recovering, healing and had better times now. You will run into negativity for the rest of your life you might even run into hateful strangers along the way doesn't make you less of being a repeated victim after another incident after another incident when you did nothing wrong. It could be sheer misfortune, bad luck or outright people they encounter is the problem.

Thought a friend from a different country reaching out to the dispatcher to send the first responders to another country would make my family proud for surviving the attempt, apparently not... even thanksgiving nobody was thankful during dinner.

There are PDF's out there with real information of how many pounds to put against our body to take ourselves out actually

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