Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families.

BoomTheBear86 · 2023-03-23T13:18:21+00:00

When women achieved the vote in England, 44% of men in England had only had the right vote 10 years before women got it.

And when working men in England first gained the vote, some women could also vote by that same act (women who owned property or whose husbands did).

So the idea that “no women could vote” for the longest time compared to men is bogus. In England it looks like this generally:

Before 1265 - voting doesn’t exist.

1432 - Only male landowners fitting the “40 shilling freehold” standard could vote (less than 5% of male population)

1832 Reform Act - Electoral register expanded, about 14% of men can now vote. These men are exclusively upper class.

1867 Reform Act - Electoral register expanded to include 32% of the male population. These men are upper class / higher middle class only with property ownership requirements.

1884 Representation of the People Act - Electoral register expanded to include the middle class. Still tied to property ownership. About 56% of men can now vote. It is still related to property and financial status.

1918 Representation of the People Act - All men can now vote. Women married to middle class and above men can now vote. Women can become MPs

1928 - All women can now vote.

So if we take “more than the majority” (1884 act) “most men” could vote only 30 years before women could. But all men could only vote 10 years before all women could.

It took men 486 years from when Parliamentary elections first began as a democratic exercise for all men to get the vote from when they started. It took all women 496 years. The idea women have been “uniquely disadvantaged” during that period is laughable. The difference is an extended waiting period of about 2.5% compared to men.

Hopeful_Football3066 · 2023-03-23T13:15:38+00:00

Although moves were made to start giving lower class males the vote in the mid 19th century, working class white men weren't given the vote in Great Britain until after the First World War, it was given as a concession too, not because they wanted to be fair.

It only cost us the lives of millions of young men.

As to life on easy mode, these authors can tell that to the boys and men pressed into service in his majesty's navy, the guy picking at a coalface for 12 hours a day or the guy in the shipyards and factories of industrial England.

krynnotaur · 2023-03-23T14:11:53+00:00

Conscription doesn't ever enter into anyone's calculation of oppression for thousands of years because it makes all claims that anyone else did anything even remotely as oppressed as all the poor(economically, not boo hoo hoo) males over the course of time would find their arguments fall flat DOA.

Willing-Community-98 · 2023-03-23T16:01:11+00:00

In Europe only African men were slaves? Do you have a source for that?

adelie42 · 2023-03-23T18:44:26+00:00

Personally, the emphasis on men's oppression versus women's oppression is intentionally designed to keep the underclass fighting amongst themselves. It has always been a tiny fragment of less than 1% against the rest of society.

The vote one of many sophisticated modern approaches to "bread and circuses" to keep slaves happy and working. It has been transformed for the industrial, technological, and information eras to be more efficient and productive than traditional depictions of slavery.

sorebum405 · 2023-03-23T13:39:30+00:00

It is easy to create a narrative that women are being oppressed or mistreated by using fallacious tactics like cherry picking,apex fallacy,and misrepresenting data.

There is this really good video that goes over the tactics feminists use to conduct research that supports the patriarchy theory.

I believe the reasons why feminist get away with doing this is because of our cognitive bias that makes us more readily view men as perpetrators and women as victims.So because people are already inclined to believe that women are being victimized,the standard of evidence required to prove that they are is very low, and people just uncritically accept these claims of sexism against women.

On the other hand,society finds any reason they can to justify blatant discrimination against men.Also,if you even accidently make a false, or unsubstantiated claim about the mistreatment of men it will be rigorously scrutinized and you will be shamed for it.This is why mra's can't really afford to make mistakes,while feminist can just repeat lies over and over again.

RockmanXX · 2023-03-23T15:06:59+00:00

The reason why liberalism is such a shitshow today is because of Oppression Olympics. They use "Oppression Hierarchy" to regularly dismiss human suffering, that's what pushed me to the edge and made me anti-woke. I don't care if you're white,black, woman or whatever! Everyone deserves to be heard, suffering isn't a competition.

Mod-rodents · 2023-03-23T13:36:03+00:00

Women live on fucking easy mode. Allways have.

sunzi23 · 2023-03-23T21:51:17+00:00

Its because women only compare themselves to the top 20% of men. All the other men are invisible to them. They don't exist.

suj1290 · 2023-03-23T22:27:59+00:00

Only 40% men throughout the history have managed to pass on their genes.That should tell you everything you need.And only small minority of hypersuccessful men lived good lives be it 2023 or 1023.Women on avg lived far better lives than men.Reason why women see only those type of men and compare themselves to them is bcz rest all men are invisible for them.They don't even exist for them

AspirationsOfFreedom · 2023-03-23T13:52:06+00:00

How about this:

We don't play "who had it worse". Because the reality is that we arent part of that world. What someone did to a dude/dudette 100 years ago, should not be an argument for todays oppression discussions.

Let's play "both sides were oppressed. Sometimes similarily, sometimes differently." As we see frequently, "feminists" are unwilling to accept that being FORCED to go to war for some monarch you were oppressed by, was oppression against women cuz they werent allowed to be forced to die.

If we go in trying to argue who had it worse, both sides suffer

ABBucsfan · 2023-03-23T13:25:40+00:00

Very enlightening stuff between op and the detailed voting history. Amazing how much of a narrative slant people can make

hottake_toothache · 2023-03-23T19:04:40+00:00

Part of male disposability is that only the men at the top matter.

Character_Pirate_618 · 2023-03-23T15:50:51+00:00

This is feminism's greatest deception. It's remarkable how they were able to so easily and successfully rewrite history to paint themselves as perpetual victims. What's more, they've destroyed untold millions of men through the same forms of deception.

CurveArtistic · 2023-03-23T16:26:48+00:00

Both African men and women were enslaved in the Atlantic slave trade, which was unusual up to that point (because slaves usually comprised of prisoners of war / prisoners up to that point)

African slave women also had brutal lives, so I wouldn’t diminish that for them.

I do agree with the sentiment of the post though. The noble houses were tied to its men, who did indeed benefit more than the noble women, but they were also required to fight and die for their land and were also more likely to be killed at the end of a dispute to prevent challenging succession

FoolioTheGreat · 2023-03-23T16:04:59+00:00

I don't think people think the majority of men had it easy historically, I personally have never seen that argued.

But that doesn't change the fact men were in positions of power. Also while most men didn't have power in society, Men had all the power in their household. Women had no protections or laws, they had to be subservient to their husbands.

Also not sure where you are getting "men alone were forced to work as slaves". This is absolutly not the case.

Men being conscripted is true. But you are missing something when complaining about that. Women didn't have a choice. It's not like feminists demanded they not be forced to join the army. Men in charge choose to exclude them. You can't be mad at women for something they had no say in.

Please help me find this "proper research", because maybe I have just been lied to my whole life.

vengent · 2023-03-23T17:18:14+00:00

Apex Fallacy. We see it very often.

StingRayFins · 2023-03-23T15:44:46+00:00

Most men in history died in wars, died hunting, got killed, and died in mines and laborious jobs. It's definitely a lie feminism like to spread to push their agenda that all men were like kings that did nothing but abuse and oppress women.

glen_goolie · 2023-03-23T20:27:14+00:00

Not to mention first to die in war

AgeOfReasonEnds31120 · 2023-03-23T23:06:40+00:00

Wait... only African MEN were slaves!? That's fucked up.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/sex-ratio-age-and-ethnicity-in-the-atlantic-slave-trade-data-from-french-shipping-and-plantation-records/FB23D0312CB8B60EF7710FB1EF44B625

46/77 = 59.7% male

Okay, so many slaves were women, but African men were still more likely to be slaves.

yourgirlfriendisa · 2023-03-24T02:49:23+00:00

I’m a woman and this is facts. Women’s problems are being a bit too over-publicized leaving men’s issues unaddressed

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-03-23T14:24:35+00:00

I wonder what people would choose if asked to pick between living at the poverty line in the US today or living as a male noble in 1200 AD Europe.

The first option is undoubtedly a better quality of life for anyone who isn't bothered by "trying to keep up with the Joneses" as the saying goes or is just power hungry. Better medical care (even with the US's messed up system is better than what they had then), better safer food, longer life, I see even poor people with cell phones.

The way some feminists talk though, they make it seem like they'd pick the 2nd option.

Za__guy · 2023-03-23T13:37:28+00:00

If men African were enslaved

Than what about the women? Don't say they don't touch them.

MrSalvos · 2023-03-23T18:43:12+00:00

if you do a little bit more research than what school tells you then you will be able to know this, and even then its kinda common sense.

stereoroid · 2023-03-23T17:50:37+00:00

I grew up in South Africa and studied the local history. The average man in a typical Bantu tribe didn’t get the girl: the chiefs got first pick. Young men were used as warriors and might get married if they survived long enough. Ideas of “fairness” or “justice” did not carry any weight at all.

ComprehensiveHour160 · 2023-03-23T17:11:25+00:00

Users of this sub should really stop spouting illiterate unsourced historical nonsense like

"Africans were abducted and forced to work as slaves in Europe"

I am not aware that Africans were ever ebducted to Europe, but if you think so please provide sources for it.

Stuff posted by retards with no knowledge of history like OP really make this sub look bad.

Confident-Cupcake164 · 2023-03-24T10:14:28+00:00

All these misogynists MRA must be forced to self identify as women for a while and compete against women in extreme sports like MMA.

Then they will know how tough it must have been for women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9983177/Outrage-transgender-MMA-fighter-defeats-French-woman.html

Currently, there is discrimination against CIS men that want to compete that way. Not sure why. We're not leftist enough or what?

East_Panic8340 · 2023-03-23T18:33:49+00:00

Less than one percent of men have ruled a nation and created laws. That’s the same percentage as women who have done the same. You can’t mention the men that has been in charge and ignore the women. Millions upon millions of men have been forced into war by female leaders spanning back thousands of years. Those same women chose to not include women so to some degree women did have a choice. Forcing a group to do something they don’t want is nowhere close to the same as not giving another group an option to do it anyways. Not when it’s something as detrimental as war. Till this day in our modern society where they can choose they only make up about a quarter of the military. They now can be in combat roles and yet only make up about 2%. That means about 1% of women have an interest in the military and less than 1% have an interest in combat roles. In WWII 20% of the male population was drafted. Before modern society many civilizations made it mandatory for all boys to join the military. Consequences for refusal ranged from execution, torture, “prison”(slavery), outright slavery, fines, etc. in the US hundreds of thousands of men are punished for not signing up for selective service. That’s now as in 2023. So when women didn’t have a choice that really only affected less than 1% at a given time. When forcing men to fight wars it affects a far wider range of people. Back to selective service, that affects every man once he turns 18. If we don’t promise the government our bodies we can lose many benefits that women get for free and be forced to pay fines. Which as I pointed out already hundreds of thousands of men are facing these penalties as we speak. When there’s even a hint of suggesting drafting women they get up in arms about it so clearly they did make a choice and it’s the same one they always made; they don’t want it done to them. As for the feminist thing that’s not necessarily true. Suffragettes went on the white feather campaign shaming men and boys(including ones that was injured) in an attempt to force them to war. The leaders at the time said that women shouldn’t have to fight and quite literally demanded that men go do “their duties”. Which is actually similar to practices some societies did in history. I believe it was some Germanic peoples where it was custom for women to follow men to war and kill any that tried to retreat for “cowardice”. Some groups had the women follow and shout “encouraging” words at the men. Women shaming men into or for war is as old as war itself tho. As for the slave thing I question that too.

I_Know_Your_Hands · 2023-03-23T16:17:36+00:00

Jesus Christ. Talk about playing the victim. And completely incorrect to boot!

This is a sad, sad post.

mermaidthicc · 2023-03-23T18:36:56+00:00

I am sick of the men/women live life on easy mode claim. It’s impossible to experience life from the perspective of the other, therefore impossible to truly know which life would be easier. All we can do NOW is respect everyone and call people out on their bullshit whether it’s minute or major. Men and women are both mistreated. Men and women have their own sets of privileges. We’re all trying to create a better lives for ourselves and each other.

Van_Crawforda · 2023-03-23T18:33:50+00:00

reason french women got the right

Low_Philosophy_8 · 2023-03-24T00:35:29+00:00

You said "their ancestors" like men and women don't have the same ancestors lol

beleidigtewurst · 2023-03-24T13:21:02+00:00

Note that even offspring from noble families were sent to wars.

And it is 2023 and humanity still fights wars.

And although Frau Clinton tells us it is "women who suffer most" from wars, it's men who die horrible deaths en mass.

GwynTheBookworm · 2023-03-23T18:31:35+00:00

Some men were oppressed. Many men died in wars of other men they were forced to take a part in. There were many rights that only wealthy men had. But also, denying that women systematically had less rights is an absolute nonsense. Men were and still are consistently more often leaders and those who held power. Women were for a long part of a history just a property of their father and then later their husband. No one is saying men's lives were easier. They weren't. But men always had more choices then women had. There are countries where women rarely get education and where they are restricted from things men are allowed. I don't think there is any country where it's the other way.

XNonameX · 2023-03-23T19:06:59+00:00

Revisionism aside, ALL women except royalty, and even in many cases royal women, too, were considered property. Free men with the right to come and go always had more rights than women.

There are a lot of reasonable things contemporarily to be mad about, you don't need to rewrite history to try to make yourself the victim.

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