Resentment over superior male strength drives female grievance politics

bilgediver · 2023-03-22T16:02:22+00:00

I would hazard a guess it's opposite. So many women overestimate their strength in relation to men that they honestly think they can take on men, and many of the systemic protections FOR women due to their vulnerable nature are seen as patriarchal oppression.

WiiWynn · 2023-03-22T19:05:56+00:00

No. I don’t agree. My opinion, the fundamental grievances, as you put it, is just how HARD it is to compete in a free market.

Women for a few generations now have experienced equal opportunity, and although some have admirably performed swimmingly, the many loud and unsuccessful women have been struggling and play victim.

Many men, having had to compete in nearly everything in their lives are more conditioned. An average man will encounter adversity and conclude they need to work, grind, and hustle harder for success. The average/basic women encounter the same adversity and conclude “it CAN’T be this HARD! There must be some other forces at work keeping me from my goals, wants, and desires. This is evidence of the patriarchy.”

Look in the comedy space. It is unforgiving. If you’re not funny, people won’t pay to see you. And there is no charity in comedy. If your material stinks or doesn’t resonate, there’s no patriarchy to blame. Men and women equally enjoy and patron stand-up comedy. Comedy clubs don’t discriminate. There’s open mic nights all the time. Just walk up there and shoot your shot. And there’s not an equal number of men and women in an objectively fair and equal opportunity, but extremely difficult, art.

This is the main grievance. Basically against just how hard life is in a free market and society.

elverloho · 2023-03-22T14:44:56+00:00

I just want you to know that a highly intelligent female friend that I've known for 20 years explained this to me in the exact same way while drunk. She realized that men are much stronger in school and this had a profound effect on her understanding of the world. That's when she started viewing men as dangerous and oppressive and became a feminist.

dontcareaboudit · 2023-03-22T14:16:11+00:00

Maybe that’s what Freud was really trying to articulate with his penis envy theory lol. I think that men will never understand women, and vice versa.

jimjam696969 · 2023-03-22T18:46:22+00:00

I am doing use of force training atm. GUNS, BATTONS, HAND TO HAND COMBAT. When I am partnered up with a man, we got about 20% strength on things like arms bars, headlocks, etc etc etc. I do they same when I am partnered up with a woman they complain that I am going too hard, and I put them off balance etc etc. This really concerns me because the bad guys out there can be a lot bigger and stronger than me, and they will be using 100% force. Sure, they teach us techniques to combat for size and strength disparity, but if you are complaining about a 20% training tap, then you are going to have problems.

und3r-c0v3r · 2023-03-22T16:55:22+00:00

A woman I had worked with for a while was absolutely shocked that I was able to beat her in a wrestling match, keep in mind she was 5'1 and maybe 110 lbs and I was 6' almost 240 at the time. It's kind of insane how well they have been able to convince people to ignore reality in favor of the narrative.

ChildrenotheWatchers · 2023-03-23T03:27:23+00:00

As a woman, I have always felt bad about how men are taken advantage of in society in terms of doing certain tasks. For example, a tire needs changed, or a tree needs cut down. So often, everyone calls the nearest guy. Like, I see why my brother-in-law wants to hide on Saturdays because the whole neighborhood is looking for a "man" to do "men's work" (rural Red state).

(PS, I can change tires, and I have cut trees with an AXE. Just remarking on the need for equality. Skills need to be taught/learned.)

knightfluttershy · 2023-03-22T15:07:32+00:00

And then those men who aren’t aggressive or physically imposing, who already feel like outliers and are insecure about it, have to suffer the most, are just assumed to be a part of this and attacked for it, because they’re the easiest targets.

These people preach about “men being able to be sensitive and accept their feelings”, and then when some men who are already insecure do this, they essentially get kicked in the teeth for it.

We’re never going to get better as a species, all that’s going to happen is the target of our hatred will just keep switching around but never actually abate. I think I get misanthropy now.

RockmanXX · 2023-03-22T16:50:37+00:00

I know that 6ft gym bros could beat the shit out of me if they wanted to. I don't resent them for their strength, so why would women resent Men for being stronger? It doesn't make any sense.

lumpynose · 2023-03-22T15:26:00+00:00

Mod-rodents first sentence is spot on; "Its that and also that men have done pretty much all great achievements were done by men. That has given them massive inferiority complex."

There have been studies about how guys are interested in things while girls are interested in people

One of the things that I keep repeating is how in software development there's free and open source software (FOSS), which is probably around 99.9% written by men. The tools (languages, compilers, editors, source code sharing sites) are all free so there are no barriers. Guys here keep posting about how there are more women college graduates and yet the vast majority of the advances in the STEM fields are by men.

So I can understand how it's maddening to them that they still aren't getting ahead there. But their problem is that they're using the usual excuse that it's the patriarchy that's keeping them down.

Thund77 · 2023-03-22T17:33:51+00:00

I completely agree what OP said.

But...what is hazy mistery to me, is if they feel so much threatened by physical strength, how come they are also so much attracted to it? Strong, agressive, tall...they are attracted to those attributes.

So why do they feel threatened? Its like men like to hdate with beautiful partner but feel threatened because they arent as much beautiful as they other halves.

Its all very confusing, at least to me :/

dungnm10082000 · 2023-03-22T23:04:18+00:00

I do think before puberty, boys and girls are pretty much equal physically

Starting puberty, nah, uh uh, not close, boys are just naturally stronger.

If you take the top of any physical field, be it any sports, blue collar work, military work, men are more physically capable. Like take tennis, Andy Murray, a guy in his 30s, metal hip, barely top 50, a shell of his former self, but do you honestly think that he would not stand a chance against the best female player in the world? That's to say nothing of the ones who actually at the top, Djokovic, Alcaraz, Nadal....

If you take the average, so let's say zero to little martial arts training, then the average man his taller, heavier, more muscular, his bones are more densed, he can take hits better. Like my little sister took defense lesson, and about the only thing that taught right is if there is no way out, go for the nuts and run to safety, the moves, the strikes means jack shit to a guy who's out to hurt someone.

If you take the bottom rung, so like the runt, the fat, (let's not count disabled bc well, they're disabled), men would still in a physical fightwin because of their genes.

Other areas like corporates or politics is a lot more complicated, but in general, it's still the men who's on top for whatever reason. Say what you like, but there has been women who could compete head on with men and win in those fields like Thatcher or Merkel, but they are few and far between.

Glass-Dimension-8827 · 2023-03-22T15:23:15+00:00

I’ve never felt this. I was just talking to someone about the differences between men and women, and tbh (just my opinion) I am relieved to have been born a woman. Strength is cool and all, but there are other cons that don’t outweigh it for me. Plus, as a woman I have had men in my life that were willing to lend their strength to me so I get the best of both worlds.

joeyjoejoejohanson · 2023-03-22T20:57:29+00:00

I've always thought it was driven by the need to explain the vast difference in female vs. male accomplishment over history.

SuspiciousGrievances · 2023-03-22T23:06:51+00:00

They cannot make themselves stronger so they think they can make us weaker. Which they also cannot do.

krynnotaur · 2023-03-23T04:17:25+00:00

Relabeling penis envy doesn't change anything. Males being held responsible for existing is irrational nonsense.

neveragoodtime · 2023-03-23T04:21:31+00:00

This continues with the observation that there are more male CEOs, therefore men must be oppressing women from being CEOs. It’s reductive and ignores the characteristics that drive that minority of males to the position, as well as the costs in stress, responsibilities, and time.

bfte2 · 2023-03-23T08:19:11+00:00

Most wymyn are overdosed on Hollywood movies and video games. They believe that they're much stronker than men. Even if they get demolished physically by men, they still believe this fantasy.

silent_boo · 2023-03-23T10:05:25+00:00

I'm sorry but it's a bit funny that this is supposed to be some profound revelation about what's at the root of all the grievance politics. Is the female experience of realizing that you're inherently weaker really such news to men? Or even to women for that matter.

While I agree that this is one of the reasons for it I think its oversimplification to say that it's the one and only reason behind it. There is also the fact that in the modern world we denigrate and dismiss pretty much everything that women have the natural advantage in (both men and women do this). And the fact that most people have become incapable of acknowledging any kind of success other than material gain. Looking at people like they are sum of their parts and nothing more than that. A focus on the quantifiable instead of the quality of things. It can all build a constant feeling of inferiority and resentment that isn't deserved.

I'm definitely not one to argue on behalf of women, especially in this sub. But seriously, it benefits no one to oversimplify women's psychology into a single kind of motivation. We might be physically weaker and all that but we're not idiots. Whatever the differences, they are a compromise to serve other functions.

RatchedAngle · 2023-03-22T17:19:07+00:00

As a woman, I’m just going to throw this out there as food for thought.

Jordan Peterson once described how there is an underlying reality of physical violence to every male interaction.

As in, most men who are interacting with each other are subconsciously aware of the fact that the conversation could escalate to physical violence. Thus, men have a natural tendency to size each other up even when they aren’t consciously planning on fighting.

In other words, if another man is a lot bigger or stronger than you, then you may have the natural tendency to take him a little more seriously if he’s coming to you with some sort of grievance or complaint.

I do feel sometimes that my husband takes my grievances less seriously than those of more physically-imposing males. Obviously this is not conscious on his part. Just natural human behavior.

But it absolutely does leave you feeling powerless when you know that your anger, no matter how justified, will always be taken slightly less seriously.

So, while women do benefit from the protective instinct, I think the protective instinct can also become a “I won’t take you as seriously” instinct.

Children experience the same thing. When you’re 12 years old and angry about some justified thing, people just don’t take you seriously because you’re small and young and you get put into the “not to be taken seriously category.”

I would imagine that men who are smaller or less physically imposing may experience the same thing.

MamaAbroad · 2023-03-22T20:52:19+00:00

I’ve never had a man overpower me thankfully (only ever did play-fighting with my husband) and I’ve never resented men being stronger…. but honestly the worst thing is realizing old men are stronger than me, even when they look flabby and sickly.

It’s just wrong that someone in their 60’s is stronger than me in my 30’s. Or that an old man can kill a young woman in her prime.

Also, as a straight biological woman, penis envy is NOT a thing lol. One of my earliest memories is thinking how glad I was to be a girl, and not have that gross thing hanging between my legs. No offense haha

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-03-22T20:35:42+00:00

Two options you're missing. The first is putting in the work to do strength training. Most people don't do any. Just doing a regular program of about 30 minutes, three times a week should be enough to make most women stronger than men the same weight class who don't exercise after about a year.

My sister did this and had fun in college challenging guys at arm wrestling and usually won. And no, she's not a beast. 5'6" and about 130 lbs.

It is true, they're never going to match a guy that works out.

Having male strength feels more like a liability than an advantage. Most of us don't have physically demanding jobs anymore. I've read too many examples of women getting away with physicality that a man probably would be arrested for.

But you are right that there is something psychological about it. When I started lifting, I realized later I had more confidence and was less easily intimidated.

2nd option and probably a better one is to get self-defense training. If you can legally carry pepper spray or something like that, get it.

Azihayya · 2023-03-22T20:48:54+00:00

Can't believe you buffoons are actually entertaining this bullshit, lmao

Title	Resentment over superior male strength drives female grievance politics
Author	Castruccio_Castracan
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Date	March 22, 2023 2:01 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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