“Have you deprogrammed yourself from misogyny?”

Punder_man · 2023-04-17T20:45:30+00:00

I feel like the answer to this question is to respond with "Have you deprogrammed yourself from any / all biases or prejudices?"

If not then why focus on Misogyny?

Some_Gun_Nut · 2023-04-17T23:59:51+00:00

"No." And move on.

As I've gotten older, I have less fucks to give and have better ways to spend it rather than arguing with people who's minds are already made up, nor am I going to waste time trying to find a "gotcha" statement for them as that would require me to give a fuck to think of a clever one.

KD_Ram · 2023-04-17T21:50:16+00:00

"sorry but I don't have the read/write permissions to do that, try contacting the administrator for further help"

AskingToFeminists · 2023-04-18T07:07:35+00:00

Someone who say that assumes already that you have been programmed into misogyny. That person is not having a good faith discussion with you. That person is not seeing you as an individual, that person sees you as a token of what their ideology tells them you must be.

There is usually very little point in discussing with such a person. They have already made up their mind about you, and whatever you say will be taken as further evidence of that conclusion.

To have a productive discussion with that person, you would have to get them to question their fundamental assumptions, their core ideology. Good luck with that.

So, usually, the intelligent thing to do is just walk away. You might walk away while saying "I'm not interested in discussing with someone who has bigoted ideas about me" if you must say something.

The hard way will be to be very patient, never argumentative, and to answer almost solely by non confrontational questions, beginning with "why do you belive that I need to be deprogrammed from misogyny?". It may require hours, over multiple encounters with very little immediate progress.

Alternatively "you need psychological help" is a true statement, rather confrontational, but I would say very unlikely to prove effective at getting them to consider they need psychological help.

iainmf · 2023-04-18T03:16:07+00:00

This is just a modern take on ‘have you stopped beating your wife?”. It’s a manipulative question. It requires you to accept the premise that you are a bad person who requires deprogramming.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2023-04-17T20:48:50+00:00

Unless context is providing you some unique opportunity I can't imagine, you either dismiss and move on, or get dragged into the weeds - arguing over definitions and data.

Blauwpetje · 2023-04-17T20:45:23+00:00

Yes, I got an electroshock cure for that which was a bargain. Only since then I have some troubles walking down stairs.

knightfluttershy · 2023-04-18T00:11:54+00:00

No because I never was a misogynist to begin with.

Professional-You2968 · 2023-04-18T06:57:30+00:00

"Are you still being brainwashed by the cult?"

thatflypieguy · 2023-04-18T00:19:59+00:00

If you argue with idiots they drag you to their level and beat you with experience. They’re asking you to convince them of your righteousness.

jesset77 · 2023-04-18T00:35:24+00:00

Have you kicked the habit of pouring drain cleaner into your SO's morning coffee? 🤔

ugavini · 2023-04-18T08:09:57+00:00

Have you deprogrammed yourself from misandry?

ReasonVision · 2023-04-18T03:49:13+00:00

Why is it an assumption that I was subject to it?

hotpotato138 · 2023-04-18T10:43:47+00:00

A woman on Reddit told me I don't have to hate women, to be a misogynist. I don't know what misogyny means anymore.

9001 · 2023-04-18T01:26:31+00:00

"Go away."

r2o_abile · 2023-04-18T00:18:32+00:00

I wouldn't. I fail to see in what situation this question/statement could come up?

Could you share the context? Are you in school? Is this a club?

OrangleyOrange · 2023-04-18T11:02:49+00:00

I would honestly just point out all the things we’re taught growing up that’s in favour of women.

Not hitting women, they come first, having to do everything to date women, video games like Mario showing we have to risk our lives for women, movies where the bad guys are almost always men but more importantly the henchmen 100% of the time being men, body shaming things we have no control over and having to be okay with it.

There’s more but you get the idea.

The majority of people are not misogynists or else the world would be an entirely different place for women. But alas gotta gaslight people into thinking you’re an inherent victim or else you can’t get the free rewards that come with it

Agreeable-Raspberry5 · 2023-04-18T10:38:00+00:00

This is just a woke version of "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

liljudyshoe · 2023-04-18T23:49:03+00:00

Why on earth would you even entertain this question?

If I, as a black man just asked them "Have you stopped being racist?" How much do you think they would recoil and protest the idea?

Even accounting for the implicit bias we may have, it's nothing but an inflammatory way of browbeating you into feeling bad about being you.

There's a better way to ask this question, it all depends on if they just want to sneer at you or actually get to the matter of fact.

Not productive at all.

dr-korbo · 2023-04-17T20:34:43+00:00

I love my mother and my two sisters. I have female friends. Maybe I'll have a daughter someday. I want them to have a good life.

capitanMorgan89 · 2023-04-18T00:37:10+00:00

What is “Misandry”?

Specific_Detective41 · 2023-04-18T07:55:48+00:00

At this point it is always used in bad faith

StoicBoffin · 2023-04-19T06:44:26+00:00

"I don't know what's more offensive, that you think I'm a misogynist or that you think I'm a machine. If you want to ask me something, don't lead with insults."

GorchestopherH · 2023-04-18T03:00:05+00:00

"You sound like fun."

Then leave.

Fancy-Respect8729 · 2023-04-18T11:57:39+00:00

Turnaround, walk away and keep going.

gigachadkawasaki · 2023-04-18T14:52:40+00:00

No, because I was never a misogynist in the first place

AskingToFeminists · 2023-04-18T16:09:38+00:00

A Kafka trap is not a cockroach disguised as a girl.

benscrolling · 2023-04-21T21:40:54+00:00

I have found the most effective conversational technique is to simply ask questions.

"In what ways?"
"How would I know if I have been programmed, or deprogrammed?"
"Do you have programmed misandry?"
"How would you know if you have been programmed, or deprogrammed?"

Generally someone asking you this question will have very few original thoughts about it, and is simply regurgitating some social test they assimilated from another person. You can shut them down by making them actually think. This is also helpful for them in the long run.

hottake_toothache · 2023-04-18T13:52:22+00:00

There are a lot of premises baked into that question.

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2023-04-18T16:58:25+00:00

I would say “I think women are adults who can make decisions for themselves and are responsible/have agency”

SaltSpecialistSalt · 2023-04-21T20:34:03+00:00

have you deprogrammed yourself from being a bitch/asshole ?

But yeah it doesnt even deserve an answer. A person that says shit like that is not worth your time or mental energy

coffeeinvenice · 2023-04-23T04:10:39+00:00

A good response to that is, "Yup, got way beyond that years ago. Now I'm deprogramming myself from anti-male gaslighting and misandry. Have a nice day."

tzaanthor · 2023-04-25T08:49:46+00:00

How does one define the self.

Title	“Have you deprogrammed yourself from misogyny?”
Author	django62293
Upvotes	52
Comments	36
Date	April 17, 2023 3:29 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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