How do you respond intelligently to posts like this?

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-08-16T05:50:07+00:00

The main argument for “misandry isn't real” is narrowing of definition of misandry.

Vegetable_Camera50 · 2024-08-16T10:07:16+00:00

1: Men are actually dying because of misandry (cough cough laws and wars)

2: We can just downplay misogyny as women just complaining about mensplaining and men spreading too.

Garfish16 · 2024-08-16T06:05:47+00:00

Don't respond, it hurts you and generally helps no one. What she saying is not true but it also does not matter.

If you are responding to this you're doing it for one of two reasons.

1) You're trying to convince people that follow this woman. These people are imbeciles. Rational arguments are pointless and intelligence is counterproductive. You should make emotional arguments. You need to come across a sympathetic while making her look like a b**** without directly calling her a b****.

2) It's cathartic. If this is your reason say whatever you want to say to make yourself feel better. Get it out, block her, and move on.

Clockw0rk · 2024-08-16T06:56:57+00:00

I'm sure all the men and boys slain by women who felt justified didn't actually hurt in any way.

It's not worth engaging. This is just another indoctrinated fool who believes their bigotry is justified.

ByronsLastStand · 2024-08-16T07:19:34+00:00

A significant part of the male suicide epidemic is caused by domestic abuse, and most of those abusers will be women (given that male- male relationship are the least likely to involve abuse); even if abuser women don't beat their male partner to death, they can drive him towards taking his own life. Then you have male disposability- look at the masses of men lost in wars, pushed into fighting and expected to lay down their lives. And then there's police brutality, which is more likely to be directed against men (especially men of an ethnic minority).

Of course, people like this won't have their minds changed, but it's good to at least fight back.

ElectronicLab993 · 2024-08-16T06:52:28+00:00

"Now apply this to patriarchate." But yeah she is either terminaly stupid or a troll Goal is to include mens right in societies psyche not to fight extremist. There is no point in fighting extremists

captainhornheart · 2024-08-16T09:05:50+00:00

Very few women who die do so because of misogyny. Feminists want us to believe that every homicide that involves a woman occurred because she was female (so-called femicide), but in fact they are generally killed because they were a specific individual, exactly as it is with male victims. Other than a few incel attacks, I can't think of any notable examples to the contrary. Feminists will always raise female victims of domestic violence, but again, they are killed because of their relationship with their abuser, not primarily because they are women.

It would be more valid to argue that men who die in wars (and a majority of slavery and genocide victims, who have always been male) died primarily because they were men, but it seems tasteless to do so. The converse doesn't bother feminists, who seem increasingly desperate to maintain their sense of victimhood.

It's almost impossible to reply to nonsense like that in the OP's image because it takes a lot of nuance and words, and will be labelled as bigotry however humane and rational you are. This is true of countering nearly all the mindless slogans the authoritarian essentialist "progressives" of today pump out to kill thought and debate. They're no better than their opponents on the right. Culture wars kill minds.

AbysmalDescent · 2024-08-16T15:03:34+00:00

It's just untrue though. Men are dying from women not liking men, or men being mistreated by women systematically. Firstly, women do kill men directly. That is definitely something that does happen. Women might not be showing up to schools with automatic rifles, and that likely more has more to do with the way men are treated or disenfranchised, and the fact fact that men are expected to be competent with violence, but there's plenty of women fatally hitting, poisoning, shooting or stabbing men out in the world. It's also a lot easier for women to get away with killing men, and women face far fewer and lesser sentences for murdering men.

Secondly, women not liking men kills a lot of men indirectly as well, because it is a systematic problem. It leads countless men to suicide or downward spirals that will destroy their emotional and physical health. It also leads to vigilante justice and men losing any kind of presumption of innocence. It leads to other men, including police officers, going on to kill men on women's behalves. It leads to men's lives being viewed as being viewed as less valuable, all across every aspect of our culture, and therefore disposable. You will see this in war or major tragedies, of course, but in every possible situation where a man is killed, that a woman would have otherwise survived.

And, finally, if you really want to get more abstract about it, you could also argue that women systematically hating on men, or rather specific types of men, can also be a form of ethnic or trait cleansing. Men who are never liked by women, and die without procreating, are effectively being killed off as well.

Women don't have to be the ones doing the literal killings in order to kill men, because we all live in a system that protects and privileges women, and where women's approval can and does determine the value of a man. Men who are seen as worth less die off. Misandry kills.

phoenician_anarchist · 2024-08-16T07:55:41+00:00

Y'all

every time...

There are some things that aren't worth even considering, never mind responding to; This is one of them.

Notice, she doesn't deny the existence/normalisation of misandry, she says that it isn't normalised enough, wishing death upon men in general. This is a purely hateful individual lacking in the slightest shred of empathy.

sanitaryinspector · 2024-08-16T07:23:24+00:00

Misogyny isn't about men not liking women either

YesAmAThrowaway · 2024-08-16T10:00:26+00:00

We desparately need to realise and accept as a society that many or most, if not all demographic groupings face different challenges and issues. Sometimes these are shared, sometimes they're unique or disproportionately affect one or some groups more than others.

Platforming each of these issues is valid. Trying to stir the pot by attempting to undermine or overshadow one issue with another is not valid and that's obviously a two-way street many many people do not understand.

Reckless-Pessimist · 2024-08-16T14:28:43+00:00

Except misandry very much does kill men.

Like ask these feminists if the maternal mortality rate in the USA is a product of misogyny, they'll say yes, because it is.

Now let's look at the workplace mortality rate, men make up the vast majority of workplace fatalities. Low status men are relegated to the dirtiest and most dangerous jobs society has to offer, and theres often very little animus to make those jobs safer because men are just supposed to "man up." Thats misandry in action. Sending young impressionable men off to pointless wars is misandry. And the continued dismissal and denial of male victims of crime is also misandry.

WanabeInflatable · 2024-08-16T10:26:24+00:00

Misogyny is not killing either.

Both misogyny and misandry is people's minds. They are just way of thinking. But they motivate crimes and discrimination.

Disastrous_Average91 · 2024-08-16T16:08:53+00:00

So many more men are murdered than women that it can’t just be a coincidence. People are more empathetic to women and more willing to help them

publicdefecation · 2024-08-16T15:51:39+00:00

Trans people are killing themselves partially because of their struggle with feeling accepted by society at large.

Men are also struggling to feel accepted and currently have a suicide rate 4 times that of women. That number is likely under reported as men are also more likely to die of drug overdoses, alcoholism and many other vices which are just another way of killing oneself albeit more slowly.

ParanoidAgnostic · 2024-08-17T00:19:51+00:00

I assume you'd need to dislike a man to make a false accusation which gets him murdered

https://kutv.com/news/local/logan-police-investigating-beating-death-of-man-falsely-accused-of-sexual-assault

https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2016/12/16/inenglish/1481901326_122760.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9788265/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html

Neveah_Hope_Dreams · 2024-08-17T03:54:15+00:00

Men are dying because no one cares. Men have the lowest life expectancy and they are at a higher risk of dying from Covid-19, heart disease, stroke, and even the flu. No one cares to fund for a men’s health facility. Men have the highest suicide rates of all people. No one cares to bring more funding into Mental Health research for men and to explore all the unique issues men specifically face so to address the mental health crisis. No one cares about that. Boko Haram has kidnapped and killed thousands of boys. Where was their campaign of ‘Bring back our boys’? No one seemed to care. Male victims of rape and domestic violence at the hands of women are very much real. No one cares, no one wants to believe it. And when people say ‘Kill all men’, I don’t even care to think about all of these facts and issues, because that word is still hateful and prejudice. It’s misandry. You’re against hatred and prejudice? It goes for everyone. You do not pick and chose. There are no excuses.

EL_overthetransom · 2024-08-16T13:04:40+00:00

Men die every day doing jobs women refuse to do.

eli_ashe · 2024-08-16T18:52:28+00:00

women disproportionally murder their spouses, its just dismissed as 'self-defense'.

non-black women freaking out about black men literally gets black men killed. that phenomena doesn't happen to black women, bc they are women.

i'd personally hold that that racism works across the board, e.g. black women likely get white men killed for similar kinds of reasons, tho i admit there isn't as well developed stats and theory on that. racism and misandry connect up like that tho.

beyond that racism element of it, the reality is that men are across the board targeted by women by way of the police for murder, prison, etc.... in other words, women freak out about that guy 'stalking them' (actually just walking behind them), and call the police, and lo and behold just for walking a guy is shot dead by the cops or taken into custody, etc....

folks thinking that doesn't happen need merely recognize that there are lots of people (women especially) that freak out when driving through 'bad neighborhoods'' and lock their doors. really anyone that's ever listened to a hysterical women freaking out of nonsense can understand the point. anyone alive in the past twenty years having watched women en masse freak out over this kind of stuff leading to massive increases in policing and criminalization of men's normal behavior ought be able to understand this.

men are wildly disproportionately sent to prison more oft from the same crimes, more time for the same crimes, etc....

men are raped by women and the women are not only not punished for it but are celebrated for doing it (you get your girl!).

only a woman would be blind enough to not see this.

CatacombsRave · 2024-08-16T10:40:34+00:00

We are, and we’re also dying because governments don’t care about us.

CeleryMan20 · 2024-08-16T20:35:15+00:00

Not the way I would normally respond, but my gut reaction was:

“Wow. You women really do hate us. This men v women narrative is NOT HELPING. We have so many problems in society and you . are . one . of . them. Your attitude breeds the very antipathy that you complain about. Fuck off and come back when you can find a spark of empathy in your cold shrivelled hateful little heart. You think men are violent now? Wait until you turn them into real enemies.”

People don't listen to reasonableness and logic, they just care about the feels. Perhaps it’s time to stop holding back and let them know that when you write something like this, you are being a bad person; that when you throw insults, you make people angry.

Leinadro · 2024-08-16T22:08:18+00:00

Honestly I respond by pointing out their whataboutism and ask why they care so much about "who has it worse?".

simplymoreproficient · 2024-08-16T10:36:19+00:00

"Yes it is"

Hexagoned · 2024-08-17T13:55:15+00:00

There is no point responding to someone consumed with hatred or bigotry.

Thunderjaw4955 · 2024-08-16T21:41:39+00:00

So it’s only misogyny if the woman is murdered then?

Illustrious_Wish_383 · 2024-08-17T16:31:12+00:00

"Anything which doesn't immediately kill you is not a legitimate problem. Good to know"

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-08-17T20:53:37+00:00

Who cares about what women think? It's been too long that words have been twisted in order to propagate a narrative. Definitions have been changed to whatever fits people's agenda. It's a waste of time to argue with people who think that they get to dictate the English language and the ethics of a society. Don't acknowledge people who don't deserve to be acknowledges as part of our society.

RexFx96 · 2024-08-26T09:32:48+00:00

The leading cause of self deletion among men is discovering their girlfriend/wife was cheating on them/leaving them or because they are consistently rejected and gave up trying. If that isn't proof enough then perhaps all the war deaths or workplace deaths or crimes committed against men for being labeled creeps could suffice as evidence?

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-08-16T05:40:55+00:00

Misandry ≠ being a woman who kill men

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-08-16T05:48:48+00:00

Misandry ≠ Women h

Global-Bluejay-3577 · 2024-08-16T05:52:01+00:00

No. Men and women are violent in different ways. Women often use social means, and or something like poison. Which I believe is a big part of why men are primarily the actors in homicide, along with women's DV shelters, and gang violence which many people are forced into due to bad circumstances, which men are disproportionately affected by (80% of homeless people are men), along with men cross culturally being seen as soldiers and more expendable

And we forget about men as victims. When men are the majority of homicides, and by some accounts the majority-to vast majority of missing persons, along with a crazy amount of underreported or not taken seriously crimes, and men being seen as malevolent and women and always killing in self defense, of course it looks like this. But it's not. We are not so different. Misandry is not better than misogyny.

Title	How do you respond intelligently to posts like this?
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Date	August 15, 2024 7:19 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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