Why is marriage still pushed

Reasonable_Listen514 · 2023-08-23T01:44:19+00:00

Trad-cons support marriage because they're living in the past, and can't accept how things have changed over the last several decades. Maybe this will change after the boomers die off.

Liberals support marriage because it redistributes wealth from men to women.

Businesses support it because women make something like 3/4 of consumer purchasing decisions, and they can spend more with access to a husband's money.

Women are half the population, and they will continue to push marriage because it benefits them in many ways.

greatfreight · 2023-08-23T04:58:49+00:00

The marriage & divorce laws are unbelievably unfair and out of date. It is considered a "sacrifice" for a woman to drop out of the workforce and become a mother to the kids, even though this is a form of priviledge. Yet it is NOT considered a sacrifice for the man to be working long hours at a job and trying his best to provide the best lifestyle for his family, on the contrary this fact gets used against him in divorce court as his income gets used to calculate alimony & child support and to provide the same level of lifestyle to his ex wife. This is almost like a form of legal backstabbing.

Additionally, it is not considered a sacrifice when the man puts his assets into the marriage like he's bringing 90% of the assets, she brings 10%, yet at divorce it is 50/50 which is just severely unfair. And then on top of this prenups are routinely thrown out, as if the rule of law, contract law, are all discarded in favor of women, nowhere else does this occur. A lawyer firm can't even be sued if say they provided a prenup that years later a judge discarded in divorce court.

In pretty much every single angle marriage benefits women, leaving very few benefits for the man. Divorce laws are just out of this world unreasonable, even billionaires suffer from the unfairness yet no changes get made. All the sacrifices are attributed to the woman, not to the man.

AdRemarkable7835 · 2023-08-23T02:01:23+00:00

So men have an insentive to work, thus generating more tax revenue. A single man who lives alone really only has a drive to work as much as he HAS to since hes only taking care of himself. However, if he has a family he’s responsible for he has a huge insentive to work as much as possible so he can provide the best life for his family. Marriage gives a man purpose to work hard. Single men tend to just not be driven to kill themselves in the workforce if they dont have to.

NAWALT_VADER · 2023-08-23T00:29:43+00:00

More than fifty percent of marriages end in divorce, initiated by the woman seventy percent of the time. Marriage is toxic. Even when divorce doesn't happen, many stay together with people they hate simply because divorce is too expensive.

If there was a bowl of candies on the table, and you knew that half of them are poison, would you still reach in and take one? Willing to risk everything on a coin flip?

It is pushed, but it should not be. It benefits women and society in general, to the detriment of men.

SouthernSeeker · 2023-08-22T23:52:48+00:00

Because it can be absolutely fantastic when it works well.
Because it benefits society, which does not give a damn about the people it hurts when it doesn't work well.

DataBingo · 2023-08-23T00:19:43+00:00

Because by definition it benefits the woman, and current society preaches anything that benefits women. It says they deserve any and all benefits they can get from men even if it affects men negatively

corporate_robot_dude · 2023-08-23T00:09:12+00:00

It benefits society by keeping people accountable to each other. Two people working together can accomplish far more than alone. Behind every great man, was a great woman. Atleast traditionally that's how it's been. Nowadays it's all messed up.

Most men would love nothing more than to take a vow for a great woman who he can trusts to support him no matter what. That doesn't exist anymore as they are always bombarded with the idea that they can do better. A woman can claim she loves a guy, but as soon as they break up, she'll be on an app with a list of new suitors in no time. And even if you do find someone willing to marry, it's not until after she's gone through so many partners and having had her "fun"...now she's ready to settle for you. I don't know how a guy looks at that situation and thinks "damn that's a really great deal, let me lock that in".

Njaulv · 2023-08-23T09:54:37+00:00

I remember a while back a married woman wanted to sleep with me at a sort of party house. There was not a party going on at the moment really, but maybe like 12 people just hanging out drinking smoking vibing to tunes. I had never met her husband but knew she was married. She asked if I wanted to head to one of the backrooms to bang out out, and I said no thanks. She had this very shocked expression on her face and after a moment asked why? I told her because she was in a relationship, and I don't sleep with women when they are in relationships. She then told me it was ok he would not find out. I just said, it's more of a personal policy of mine, but thanks for the offer. Then she had the nerve to give me the cold shoulder for the rest of the night. Before that we were just having fun chilling as a group of people.

Another time when I was in a relationship, bf/gf a girl that actually knew my gf and knew we were together wanted to sleep with me and this was in a similar setting but at a different place. I was actually new to this area and my gf knew more of these people than I did. I declined and she was also shocked and told me guys always want to sleep with women. I said yeah, sure, and I have a gf for that. You know this. I thought that was the end of it until later she tricked me into going into the basement with her alone, she actually locked the door and said it was ok now, nobody would know. I told her I don't cheat and this crazy bitch actually asked me if I was gay lol She then proceeded to try to make out with me and would not stop until I told her I would call my gf and let her know what was going on. She stopped at that point because at the time both I and my gf were known for being brawlers. It was a different time in my life where fighting was not out of the ordinary for the crowds I hanged with.

Tanman55555 · 2023-08-23T04:14:42+00:00

Taxes and such ofc

spacedjase · 2023-08-23T05:40:48+00:00

With nearly 60% failure rates and an even higher number of failures when you include unhappy marriages, it's a hard sell these days

Our_media_lies · 2023-08-23T12:47:10+00:00

It’s a trap. Sign over so much of everything you will or have worked for for nothing. Why do it ? It’s insane. Its none of the government business. God people talk about the nanny state - well this is it. What gives them the right to re distribute the assets that you worked for. Theft. By the state.

V1RL · 2023-08-23T02:55:10+00:00

I heard before “I don’t love my husband but we’re together for the kids” sounds like dad will be moving out once the kids leave. What a life

datyams · 2023-08-23T08:52:07+00:00

Tbh in my situation (Aus) and probably elsewhere it's less that it's pushed, it's more that it is absolutely critical to make headway in life. Banks won't loan on a mortgage with a single income, there are all sorts of family tax benefits and defacto benefits. The cost of living increases are infinitely more manageable on dual incomes etc.

It's defacto (ironically) the status quo.

SlowDullCracking · 2023-08-23T12:57:04+00:00

They need more slaves for taxes.

slipkid556 · 2023-08-23T05:01:16+00:00

Because it benefits women exclusively.

soracrowe_ · 2023-08-23T13:59:06+00:00

I'm predominantly conservative but the mainstream conservatives don't get that marriage has been fundamentally broken in favor of women. It a system that basically garuantees benefits for women at the expense of men with no garuanteed benefits flowing the other direction.

The conservative ideal of marriage used to be that men and women had distinct roles and both sides had an obligation to each other but that just isn't possible anymore. Women have an incentive to leave marriages by being awarded cash and prizes for destroying them, and men are entitled to nothing in these contracts. It's lopsided and even conservative marriages now only exist at the pleasure of the woman, the moment the "conservative" wife gets bored and decides to monkey branch shell destroy the contract like any other woman would and will benefit from it in all likelihood while the man will suffer.

DisplacedBitzer · 2023-08-23T22:59:32+00:00

I genuinely believe, if you are a trad-con guy in your bones, you find a woman who is the same, all the things that implies and get married, that it is one of the happiest forms of human life. But frankly, in modernity it’s nothing but a fever dream. The trad-con girls I’ve met and dated, were barely trad con, but expected it entirely from me. Real bad experiences with them honestly. Literal abandonment and ghosting suddenly after going on vacation, after making sure I was dating with intent to marry them and fully committed to them. Hurt like hell.

Half of marriages end in divorce, of the remaining half, how many are genuinely happy? Certainly not my parents. I suspect it’s incredibly low, and I think it’s heavily skewed amongst the tradcon types where they are more likely to achieve it. But if happy marriage is achieved, like I said, one of the best forms of human life. An ideal to strive for, though it’s probably less than 5% of marriages honestly. It’s just what social organization worked out in history and was successful, so people expect it to work in modern day. Stuff doesn’t work like that.

1837-1980 · 2023-08-23T03:58:30+00:00

I think it’s because a lot of people crave for marriage and to make a family of there own. Not everyone wants that though, both men and women. Some people get married and never have children. It just depends on the liberal. There is this idea if you don’t marry, you were all alone. Just because you’re not married, does not mean you’re all alone because you have your friends, siblings, parents, and all those people are relationships that you have. Even the Bible says is not good for a man to be alone. There’s also another part of the Bible that says if you can be single and devote your life to God, then he approved of this. It also says if you cannot control your temptation (sexual desire) then get married and become one with someone else. So the way I see it whatever path you choose. Marriage or not you can still make a difference and you still have your own path.

I will say this though as a Christian woman I see marriage as a gift from God. Women and men compliment each other perfectly, but those differences can be hard to work through at times. God has told me to be that devout to my future husband, though I do not know who that is yet. Marriage is hard work, you must learn to be humble, which is humans can be really hard, for once in your life, you will find out everything you do suddenly involves someone else too. Marriage is such a selfless act that you really have to work on yourself before you get into it. I as a Christian believe before you get into a relationship you work on yourself as a man or woman of God so that you can help inspire and lead that person to what is righteous and right. So that both of you can show each other the right way.

bananadude19 · 2023-08-23T06:54:48+00:00

Marriage is one of those illogical things. If you asked most men if you should get married, they say yes of course. When you ask the question WHY, they’re hard pressed to give you a coherent answer.

ShandyFatGirl · 2023-08-23T19:31:03+00:00

What a weird way to say - I only want a woman to do my household and care for my children while I will fuck around cause I never learned that I am extremely average - How do women not see that this is a catch? Like, they wanna be single instead - do they not get that I regard every single woman. past 30 worthless?

Fun fact - women probably think you are worthless, wanna talk about it? You seem like you think your worth is much higher than it is, but you still expect to find a girl to "worship" you easily, because,,,? yeah why?

New_Moon_Lotus · 2023-08-23T12:59:48+00:00

Marriage is a beautiful thing and the natural progression of any committed romantic relationship. It’s just that in the West the courts drastically support divorcee wives and so marriage is substantially riskier than it once was.

To your other points though, it seems like you’re more frustrated with the decay of morality in general that we are seeing in today’s society. Women are not the only ones who are sexually reckless and unfaithful. These complaints have less to do with the institution of marriage and more to do with the culture at large.

This all said however you can still find plenty of quality women in the western world/US. There’s 100s of millions of women in the west. Still, I personally recommend to men that, if you have the ability, at least look into marrying an international woman from a more conservative area of the world such as southeast Asia

michaelpaoli · 2023-08-23T11:12:54+00:00

Why is marriage still pushed

It's a civil contract that bestows both parties with a lot of benefits.

this narrative is always pushed that a man wouldn't be happy by himself

Not everyone pushes that narrative.

I now know a good girl doesn't exist

Wow, you've got a pretty limited world view.

So, are you into making blanket categorical statements that aren't true, or what?

I'd be inclined to say I think you should stick with the puppy ... but now I'm worried for the puppy.

JeremG21 · 2023-08-23T21:03:48+00:00

Marry the right woman, and it's 100% the best thing for you. Don't let third wave feminism take something so amazing from you. Fight for it. It's worth it.

Miles-Standoffish · 2023-08-26T01:04:29+00:00

With your attitude, I don't think you are ready to look for the kind of commitment involved in a marriage. It takes someone who is ready to lay down their life for their partner. This is what is needed in a person's spouse, and what is needed in that person as well.

I know hundreds of people who are married and they feel the relationship is the most vital relationship they have on earth. I myself would not give up what I have with my spouse for any other relationship. I hope that if you are willing to look, you find a person worth given your life to.

ShandyFatGirl · 2023-08-23T19:39:14+00:00

You should get married if you really like and love someone - not if you thing they are worth less than you and need to be manipulated to do your bidding - both men and women should not cheat, btw. you seem like a child who just learned about relationships and o worry for every woman who actually invests feeling while you believe in this shit

ShandyFatGirl · 2023-08-23T19:40:47+00:00

Also, if you believe you are being fair - send this post to your gf. Why not? Would she not understand it? Maybe she would not understand it cause you are an asshole (if you can send this to her and she thinks it's funny i take it back)

GanryuZT · 2023-08-23T06:38:23+00:00

Maybe PBD has investments in a wedding venue or wedding planning firm or diamonds? He wants to be a billionaire like Musk, maybe he wants your future kids to compete with my future kids so he can offer as low salary as possible so he can afford a new yacht?

Dramatic-Essay-7872 · 2023-08-23T07:13:51+00:00

Why is marriage still pushed

to push economy and to create a safe environment for children to grow up

AdVivid9056 · 2023-08-23T07:36:01+00:00

I would also like to add that as a man, there is so much that men don't receive

true

like in olden times. Particularly with sexual purity and keeping their virginity, women were more sexually disciplined in the past. Now, for the most part if she's been pumped and dumped or if she's slept even with one person, I ain't going to give her the ring.

seriously WTF??? This is all so stupid and plain bullshit!

And with the rest I can mostly fully agree. Especially the part about cheating. It is nearly disturbing how flexible society became towards this. Still the myth goes around that men are cheaters. Reality shows women cheat more often and even lie or stay silent about. So it could be that women are even worse of cheaters than it is already known.

Neat_Effect965 · 2023-08-23T09:54:01+00:00

it stabilizes society with monogamous relationships as the norm. otherwise, you get 80% of the women going to 20% of the men or something like that due to the Pareto principle

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-08-23T14:21:08+00:00

Cause of tradition, and social pressure and cause it provides some benefits, mostly to women.

Sufficient-Bar-1597 · 2023-08-23T18:14:31+00:00

IMO Marriage is a beautiful thing. I personally believe humans were created to be monogamous.

The concept is flawed because a lot of women are not as mature as men and see men as someone who must make sure they are taken care of 24/7. (Kind of like what you were saying about being a knight in shining armor, or her dad, or her caretaker)

Instead of looking for a partner, women look for other things in a man... an extra bank account, someone to take them out on dates, someone to give them constant attention... etc.

You are doing an amazing job man and seem like a fantastic person. The likelihood of you finding a partner is low, just know that it is not your fault, it is almost always the fault of the female because of what they expect from you instead of accepting you as a human being. I would recommend trying to find dates but keep your expectations extremely low as I do when looking for a partner.

AccursedBiscuit · 2023-08-23T22:13:55+00:00

Simple. Uncle Sam gets a cut every time money changes hands. Therefore he's HEAVILY incentivized to make money change hands as much as possible, say for example, court fees, alimony, and child support.

DoctorStorm · 2023-08-24T01:29:48+00:00

Because the state doesn't want to pay for these cows, they want the men to pay for them, one way or another.

The greatest wealth transfer scam in history will be written in the books as "no fault divorce".

Dry_Statistician_761 · 2023-08-24T07:26:15+00:00

Marriage is risky. It’s not for everyone. When two people have the same goals, values, and genuine to death til we part Love it has its benefits. A stable, healthy marriage is good for children. It has tax benefits. It comes with other social benefits. But if you don’t want children and it scares you, I wouldn’t take the risk. There are just as many douchey women as men. That X or Y chromosome was the luck of the draw, whatever sperm got to the egg first. So you’re a man, I’m a woman. I’m not a virgin but I’m not a liar or a cheat. I think it’s dumb to close yourself off to love, chemistry, companionship. As they say, be the change you want to see in the world. A lot of men like women that are pretty, kind, feminine, nurturing, a good cook, loyal. Well women like to be provided for, we like to be taken care of and coddled. Everyone does. We are all children inside. Two people who enjoy accommodating each other’s needs makes for a happy relationship. Good character knows no gender. Character first.

Training_Position642 · 2023-08-25T06:58:34+00:00

One person dude really so you’ll marry a virgin and that’s it, not a woman who has slept with one person, okay

Training_Position642 · 2023-08-25T07:08:18+00:00

Bruh women will literally date men in college to use them and once they get their degree they’re too good for that guy and he’s a loser all of a sudden but really he was always just being used by her to help her via resources through school, I’m telling you, there’s a 97.8 percent chance that the woman you like or are with is simply waiting for the next best thing

Training_Position642 · 2023-08-25T07:22:12+00:00

Guys need to stop marrying whores

Title	Why is marriage still pushed
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Date	August 22, 2023 8:19 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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