Question for Red Pill

Happy_Nuclear_End · 2023-09-05T23:10:41+00:00

Why should I care? Women and the feminists make will label anything misogyny, the word has lost it's meaning.

2023-09-06T06:15:22+00:00

Completely valid and I don’t care.

NFthrowaway8302021 · 2023-09-05T20:15:08+00:00

There are some genuinely spiteful dudes out there, but it pales in comparison to the misandry that has been normalized in mainstream discourse.

TSquaredRecovers · 2023-09-06T00:31:45+00:00

My understanding is that one of the premises of TRP is that women are like children and should essentially be treated as such. Umm, I don’t see how anyone could not find that to be misogynistic.

WilliamWyattD · 2023-09-06T01:57:50+00:00

I hate how everything that was just unjustifiably sexist or incorrect is now 'misogyny'. That aside, all forms of unjustifiably hostile behavior to women is a serious problem in the manosphere. But there is a lot of the same behavior aimed at men in female circles, as well.

Mr_Vaynewoode · 2023-09-06T09:08:17+00:00

It's completely irrelevant to me. Plus 99% of the time its just an ad hom from someone too lazy to argue in good faith.

A praxeology is NOT a a movement. This "group" was never about fixing society or women, but it was about understanding the motivations behind female behavior. There is an agreement on a very small number of issues, and then there are a bunch of things that people do not agree on.

Is it possible that people in trp have issues with women? Sure.

But as to "Misogyny?" That is a completely subjective, nebulous, non-falsifiable, statement.

It is so loosely defined that it signifies almost nothing beyond the ascriber's acrimonious intent.

Mental_Iron319 · 2023-09-05T21:07:56+00:00

Most of those claims are asinine so not really an issue

Barely-moral · 2023-09-05T22:51:02+00:00

How do you respond to accusations of misogyny in the movement?

I am sure there are mysoginist people in it. In the same way there are extremists in every movement. I don't judge any movement based on the people in it. I judge them based on their ideas and the results of the implementation of said ideas.

Do you see them as valid or is it a misunderstanding of the ideology?

I see them as irrelevant.

I don't believe Islam is bad because of islamist terrorists. I believe it is bad because when a significant percentage of the population inside a country follows Islam and said population has a say in the way the country is run, I don't like the end result.

I don't believe feminism is bad because of mysandrist women exist. I believe feminism is wrong because women are less happy on average since implementation of feminist ideas begun.

I would not discard red pill ideas nor the red pill movement because mysoginist men exist. As long as I see the results of the previously mentioned as a positive, I don't care.

stats135 · 2023-09-05T22:05:56+00:00

I look at these people the same way I look at people who claim religious people are terrorist, or immigrants are criminals. I try to keep away from racists and feminists alike.

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TSquaredRecovers · 2023-09-06T00:31:51+00:00

My understanding is that one of the premises of TRP is that women are like children and should essentially be treated as such. Umm, I don’t see how anyone could not find that to be misogynistic.

Most_Hunter_1009 · 2023-09-06T01:35:18+00:00

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DzejSiDi · 2023-09-06T07:57:20+00:00

Assuming that "misogyny" is men being butthurt and spiteful towards women - then yes, this is 100% true. You have to have close to 0 understanding about TRP if you don't know why men often (not always) act this way.

timspacewarper · 2023-09-06T08:20:03+00:00

I think misogyny would break rule zero. TRP is about positive male identity and male sexual strategy, and nothing else. Obviously, when interacting with women, they shouldn't know about TRP. "Don't talk about fight club."

Novel-Tip-7570 · 2023-09-06T08:53:55+00:00

The mainstream media constantly pushes feminism. So I don't see why it matters so much if one fringe group is critical of women

obviousredflag · 2023-09-06T09:53:22+00:00

Well that accusation would have to be directed at something i said or wrote, so if it's valid depends on what i actually did. It's impossible to answer that without context.

Of course do i have a deep-seated prejudice and bias against women, just like i have that for ANY possible label/group of people. I am prejudiced against the PPD guys, against people from the countryside, against french people, against people who play golf, against people without a highschool diploma, etc. It's impossible to not be biased and to not at least act a little bit on that bias.

But instead of expecting me to be an impossibly unbiased person in every regard, i'd say the whole "checking your privileges" should be applied to "check your biases/prejudices", as a counter to an observed behavior.

Life is a constant struggle to get rid of biases, while refining prejucides to get to better and quicker ways to mostly accurately navigate the world. We need prejudices, stereotypes and these kinds of heuristics. Hating on someone because they are not free of errors is the wrong way to approach this topic. And it's completely insane to assume that getting completely rid of prejudices and stereotypes would lead to a better world.

Stergeary · 2023-09-06T10:23:17+00:00

It would help if you point out which specific ideas are misogynistic.

Workaholiconew · 2023-09-06T14:36:18+00:00

Meaningless... trp is just an accurate enough description for obtaining sex...

Also.. who cares? it is just tools for sex... ive been called a white supremacist and a misoginist for going for meritocracy... may as well ignore.

harmonica2 · 2023-09-06T20:41:15+00:00

It depends on what the accusation is specifically. Just for believing in the idea that women are attracted to high status and success in men in general?

Title	Question for Red Pill
Author	lilr2996
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Comments	34
Date	September 5, 2023 1:25 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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