Part of having "game" is your physical self! Grooming, hair, fitness, dress.

KrAzyDrummer · 2019-04-16T04:34:28+00:00

If you're hunching your shoulders, do back work at the gym. Deadlifts to get that lower back to improve overall posture and facepulls to improve the shoulder haunch.

Seriously, do 5x15 facepulls every time you're at the gym. Your posture will thank you.

IntensePancakes · 2019-04-16T04:18:41+00:00

Thanks for this post, it's a very important reminder. While it's not going to get you the girl on it's own, being in shape is probably the single best thing you can do for your game, and is up there with the top things you can do to improve your life in general.

Being in shape commands a level of respect that frankly nothing else matches. It's something that you have to legitimately earn- you can't buy or cheat your way into it. When you are in shape not only will girls respect you more, but everyone will. Your friends, your coworkers, random people that you meet. It's the easiest way to build real confidence.

Keeping with the video game analogy, if you are in shape, getting girls is like playing on easy mode. Everything will just take less effort, because girls will be naturally drawn to you. This applies tenfold if you have other good physical features such as height or a good face. And the effects don't stop there, when girls are naturally drawn to you, it's much easier to be confident in yourself and execute the other pivotal aspects of game that will close the deal for you. Being in shape can really be the glue that holds everything in your game together.

And to restate what some others have said, you don't need to look like a bodybuilder. A slim waist, decently big arms and shoulders is really all it takes.

If you 1) go to the gym 3-5 times a week and follow a reputable program 2) don't eat like trash and get enough protein, and 3) get good sleep, all for the better part of a year, you will see results that will dramatically improve your appearance. It's really that simple.

aletamale · 2019-04-16T02:18:02+00:00

This! As a girl I would like to add that I hear the "I want her to like me for me" but don't apply that logic to themselves. If you're a goofy looking guy who makes no effort in looking decent and trying to get a 10, chances are it's not gonna happen. Don't be mad if girls "can't see you for what you are" if you can't even take the time to do the same for less attractive girls.

Dilpil01 · 2019-04-16T04:03:23+00:00

I think being fit/bulky with good fashion is actually a bit of a compulsory pre-requisite to doing good game. Most guys that are average to ugly don't realise that they can EASILY compensate for it with working out and fashion. I think that's why fat/skinny guys complaining about looks bothers me so much, of course it's gonna be hard if youre obese or a twig figure, but an average face can absolutely 100% be compensated for with lifting/fashion.

The other thing bout working out is that it's actually quite easy. If you're thin and you start lifting consistently 2 days a week with protein supplements you'll see decent improvement in 3 months and will be decently big in a year. It's minimum investment with maximum returns to game.

Can you have great results without it? Yeah absolutely it's possible if you're a master at game with balls of steel but it's like trying to get a job in law without a degree. Just put in a little bit of time, stop being lazy debating it over in your head or asking Reddit, and it'll help you to game properly.

MrDownhillRacer · 2019-04-16T01:44:54+00:00

I'm beginning to think that one's body is really the #1 thing to keep on top of.

I mean, people tell me I'm funny. I dress well. I take care of my hygiene, and probably have a more involved morning routine than most dudes.

But I've got an average body. Not fat or anything, but skinnyfat. Not very tall, either. I'm losing this illusion that I just have to say or do the correct things to spark attraction, especially with 10s. It honestly feels like it doesn't matter what I say. I see attractive guys with average women, but nearly never the reverse. It also seems like being a tall, attractive male allows one to get away with more. All the male behaviour that I hear women complain about as "creepy" or "disrespectful" and that they proscribe doing, I sufficiently hot guys do with absolutely no penalty, and still get the girl.

All this energy I'm putting into cold approaching and being a better conversationalist and knowing what to say, I'm starting to think I should just put it into fitness. I already go to the gym, but I haven't been consistent enough to actually look like I go to the gym. I obviously cannot change my height or jaw structure, but I'm hoping that being fit, combined with continuing to dress well and not smell like sardines should be sufficient. Like, maybe you don't have to tick off every box, but just a preponderance of them.

Just so we're clear, even if I do become fit, I don't intend to engage in the shitty behaviours that fit guys can get away with. I still intend to be a good guy. But, like, I probably won't have to worry so much about "game" and being 100% smooth and socially perfect in every goddamn interaction if I'm build like Adonis.

QuiteTheBrianD · 2019-04-16T01:20:09+00:00

Good post lad

crawleydown · 2019-04-16T07:12:17+00:00

Yeah, hard to argue with that. Looks really are the most important thing when it comes to cold approach pickup. She needs to be physically attracted to your looks. Otherwise, it just ain't gonna happen. Same as if an ugly girl tried to pull you!!

And yeah, as you say, the rules change then, too. Like, an ugly guy being quiet is immediately branded creepy, weird etc. A really good looking guy being quiet is branded sexy and mysterious! lol

TheWalkingNightmare · 2019-04-16T01:59:04+00:00

Good post.

TheWaffleMan96 · 2019-04-16T08:28:11+00:00

Yeah you should do all of that... but it means nothing when it comes to talking to girls, unless you are in the extreme of those things.

Its the body language, its the ability to make her comfortable with you and being confident. Best tactics to use to grow your game immensely is to go out into the field while not pristinely dressed or groomed or shaven and approach. Cause when you do it usually and you look good you will have a much easier time.

Appearances matter to our self confidence only, not girls that much.

Scholar-of-Secrecy · 2019-04-16T10:27:56+00:00

I sorted out my style, learnt to groom decently, and got a stylish haircut.

main reason I done it was to feel more like I fitted the expectations of alternative chicks ie punky, grungy, edgy types.

Some things I noticed:

-Girls give me more of a chance from the open, even when my game is off.

-Massive eye contact from girls, regardless of how in the zone I’m feeling.

-Girls would started doing funny incidental things like bumping into me saying sorry with a smile, asking whether I was waiting at the bar, opening me with “have you got a lighter/cigarette” and then continue to hover by.

-Girls initiating dancing with me or at least doing moves in my direction (I can’t remember this EVER happening before).

None of this is massively game changing, but it all helps.

someonesopinion6969 · 2019-04-16T17:32:38+00:00

if you act like a piece of yesterdays trash, don't expect any amount of grooming will get you laid.

darksoul_psyop · 2019-04-16T05:07:08+00:00

Totally agree, having a good physique brings more confidence.

ImJustSo · 2019-04-16T11:53:05+00:00

I agree with most of these points when they're brought up. I'd like to be the support for the lazy fucks or ones that might have disabilities and can't get ripped.

I've been in "the game" for like 8-10 years, I don't know, it's hard to quantify when the starting point was. Anyway, I'm 6ft, I've been 330lbs and I've been 185lbs. I do have muscles, but mostly I'm just a chubby guy that chicks think is hot. I'm 213lbs right now, but I get compliments on my looks all the way up to about 240lbs.

At 205lbs is when I cross a threshold of attractiveness where women don't get anymore physically attracted to me, it seems. So I'll use that knowledge and get below 205 when I need to "be hot".

If you're a lazy fuck, you should at least know what weight, hairstyle, clothing style, etc looks good on you. Then you don't have to get it thought in the future. You learn when and what makes you hot, but you gotta find that shit out first. You can't act like a seasoned veteran if you've never seen battle.

I can't always make it to the gym, I'm not lazy, but I have multiple sclerosis. I count my calories, because that's easy for me. I've lost 20lbs since February by just deciding I'd like to "be a hot guy" over the summer. Can't go to the gym, so this will have to do this year.

v1s10n456 · 2019-04-16T11:56:08+00:00

Good advice. Body language could fit into this also

sexypirates · 2019-04-16T13:46:08+00:00

the nicest part is getting opened.. :D

tylerpkeaton · 2019-04-16T15:49:06+00:00

I agree with taking care of yourself and dressing well, but here’s something I’ve noticed with a lot of guys— they all look the same. Every single dude at the bar seems to have the same faded haircut, the same stubble, the same shirt, and on and on. When you look the same as every other dude, you start to look “average”. There’s nothing wrong with being average, but when it comes to game and picking up girls, in my experience it is being UNIQUE that intrigues girls.

Let me give you an example. I am about 5’11, decent looking, I have long-ish hair in sort of a Bradley Cooper style (not saying I’m Bradley Cooper at the bar just to be clear) and when I was in college I went out a lot. Had some success with girls, but nothing amazing.

One night I decided to wear a blazer. For no reason really. I think I wore it for a business casual event and felt good in it. What I found was that I had huge success with it. As a matter of fact one of the first nights I wore it out, I took a girl home.

While it wasn’t the jacket that got the girl, I really believe that it was the UNIQUE look of it that made me stand out among the crowd of very average looking guys- all wearing the same button down, or polo, with khaki pants and a short haircut.

While I agree with taking care of yourself and dressing well, that doesn’t mean looking like every single guy in the bar. Girls get tired of the same style over and over again.

So if you have longer hair- that’s fine. As long as it’s kept and you have a “style”. If you have a beard, you can get girls- but only if you’ve got the personality to go along with it.

Dress is important as if you don’t put effort into your attire girls will see you as less valuable. However- that doesn’t mean you have to wear a blazer. You could be wearing a tank top- as long as it’s your BRAND and you are UNIQUE.

Think of politics. There is a stage of candidates all looking the same, talking the same, and with the same stoic level of confidence. And then there’s one dude up there with funky hair, a spray tan, an oversized tie and a suit jacket with the button undone. He stands out among the crowd- and now he’s President of the United States.

2019-04-16T17:45:19+00:00

Also use face wipes if it’s hot outside and/or you perspire a lot.

2019-04-16T18:40:16+00:00

Yeah I find it odd when some men use the "looks don't matter" theory as an excuse to not make an effort in how they look. Even Brad Pitt ain't getting no pussy if he looks like an unshaven hobo and smells like one.

Tyrion69Lannister · 2019-04-16T02:54:29+00:00

Yep looks definitely matter. If you’re not good looking, good luck cuz you’ll need it.

HeatLightning · 2019-04-16T17:53:41+00:00

I agree with most of it, but hell no about the shorts! I cycle a lot and girls have told me I have hot legs :D.

mojo_mast · 2019-04-17T02:15:45+00:00

Don’t be fooled into thinking you need to be a metrosexual looking dude, looking a little rough around the edges while still being mostly well kept is better than looking like you give two fucks

razama · 2019-05-04T10:01:40+00:00

When I see these kinds of post, the OP usually is spot on (such as in this case) but the way people take it is off. Comments like, "This is whats holding me back", "Step 1: Be attractive", "You need good game if you don't have looks", "Being out of shape is hard mode". Meh. Plenty of guys out there, PUA and non PUA alike, who are rocking a gut and are overweight yet can pull. The issue isn't that you need to get fit, or that you need nice clothes. It just boils down to: Does it look like you care about yourself?

If you aren't taking care of yourself, it shows. Make it look like you put in an effort. So often I see guys call other guys douche bags based on having a nice hair cut or for wearing clothes appropriate to the season or setting. "Douchebag hair cut", "why are they dressed so nice in a place like this?" "he looks pretentious with that scarf".

Don't look like you just threw on whatever the most comfortable thing was when you got up. Make an effort, standup straight, wear clothes that fit you. Look like you care.

Trowawaycausebanned4 · 2019-04-16T02:25:46+00:00

This is old advice

bachaterothuf · 2019-04-16T02:21:46+00:00

I'll pass. I still get the girls being overweight. All about confidence.

Title	Part of having "game" is your physical self! Grooming, hair, fitness, dress.
Author	epicgamesbad
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Date	April 16, 2019 12:49 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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