Male friendly reviews on Netflix's show Adolescence

MSHUser · 2025-03-23T18:21:50+00:00

The show is getting everyone talking about the serious issue and I've seen some posts here that's pretty much what I expected. But there are...

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Yeah a bit of a Walmart walk, perhaps a better talk around some of the info that goes into incel ideas. I would probably try to put the 80/20 “rule” into a more realistic context (it came from online dating statistics), that’s it’s not “real life”, it only includes a fraction of women and those women it does include won’t necessarily make those same “swipes” in real life as meeting people in person is much different to swiping on tinder.

I’d also say people change a lot as they grow up, he shouldn’t feel like a lack of success now means it’ll always be that way. I’d also suggest he try’s to get some platonic female friends, it helps realise they’re just people and not “mythical hateful bitches”.

Just to clarify as well, it’s not something I think you could reverse in an afternoon.

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nah for sure, i was just thinking about kind of my own circumstances and kind of how lots of kids get the blackpill content and just kind of roll of with it without nuance, and I think that there is just a lot that you can not do when the odds are against you, if that makes sense? like, I don't know how to explain it but a lot of the problems that incels, or guys who come across the blackpill is the fact that there is genuinely a lot of difficulties about height, frame, ethnicity, extroversion etc that are just kind of not treated like they should be by society?

like the incel experience is just something so out of bounds that its kind of hard for someone even in the same community to really emphasize in the way its needed and its kind of impossible for people outside of it, so now with this discourse about adolescents, its seems like people will be weirder about these things and it will be harder to get around the incel ideology for those who want to get out of it. so if anything I hope your nephews don't get too stuck into that because I don't think that things will get better for guys like that from now on, tho hopefully I'm wrong about it.

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Ik I'm late to answering this, but I'd say watch it with a very critical eye.

Yes, this film was made to primarily address misogyny and violence against women, but there's information around this case that makes the plot more blurry, such as the girl bullying him with the rhetoric and the questions he's being asked which showcased intense incel behaviour.

I have seen reviews talking about it from the lense of the patriarchy, some calling it feminist propaganda, or nonsense even. Point is ppl watch and come to their own conclusions.

It's kinda like how barbie was more of a political statement it was controversial because of that. But I remember there were few critics who called it antifeminist even though it wasn't intended as such.

So yea if you're gonna watch it, watch it with a critical eye and form your own conclusions rather than the conclusions someone else (even the producers themselves) wants you to reach.

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That's basically accurate.

It's taking wider cultural issues, which are often economic or related to gang violence, and tries to use it to vilify disenfranchised young males and treat them as a perpetual threat. It's not much different to earlier, conservative propaganda targeted at concerned parents, which warned them that they have to monitor young boys to make sure they aren't privately listening to Satanic metal music, or playing violent video games which will turn them into shooters. People, from 'man vs. bear' to this documentary, have made a whole industry out of encouraging paranoia about young men and painting them all as monsters who are guilty until proven innocent.

Anyone with reasonable knowledge of the spread of knife crime in the UK knows that the vast majority of it has nothing in common with the show's portrayal. It's pushing a narrative, not really representing the facts. They are just taking a serious social issue and using it as a pretext to cast lonely men as suspect.

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Hang on you're spreading your own version of bullshit here

The actual real life murderer who inspired this was beaten and abused in Uganda as a child and ended up in foster care as a teen and already had issues with pathlogical violence, self harm and suicidal behaviour when he was 12 years old.

Are you trying to imply that the Southport killer is the inspiration for the show?

Because that is categorically false, especially because the show was already in production, when that happened. (They started shooting in March 2024, Southport stabbings happened in July)

There are unfortunately several school children stabbings to draw from, such as this in Croydon, in which a 15 yr old girl was stabbed to death by a 17 yr old over a teddy bear.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67759342

Also it's clear from this comment, you haven't even watched the show, so how can you possibly comment on its contents?

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It’s not about that it’s rather about how the British schooling system promotes anti-social and violent behaviour and that parents should put more regulation on what a child sees online, the internet is the Wild West and anything can be seen at any time, and children can be abused and manipulated easily.

Also the Ugandan murderer child incident people claim this movie is based on happened after it was filmed. Stephen Graham (one of the creators) said he came up with the idea of seeing to separate cases of young boys killing young girls and it was found out that in both cases the boys were isolated at school, and grew resentful of women after being rejected and turned to right wing grifters online with their parents being unaware of what they were looking at.

The series is brilliant. Give it a watch

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It is not possible to have an intelligent, meaningful conversation with a modern woman

Women have a strong preference against hearing contradicting ideas. Particularly one study shows that women are significantly more likely to "not justify my political beliefs to someone who disagrees with me;" "often feel uncomfortable when people argue about politics;" and disagree that they "have no problem revealing my political beliefs, even to someone who would disagree with me."

Coffé, Hilde, and Catherine Bolzendahl. "Avoiding the subject? Gender gaps in interpersonal political conflict avoidance and its consequences for political engagement." British Politics 12 (2017): 135-156.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Descriptive-gender-gaps-in-political-conflict-avoidance-a-I-would-rather-not-justify_fig1_303835617

Here is another study that shows women are more likely to avoid expressing political opinions, even in anonymous academic surveys. This seems to definitively eliminate a theory that women do not express opinions due to physical intimidation.

Rae Atkeson, Lonna, and Ronald B. Rapoport. "The more things change the more they stay the same: Examining gender differences in political attitude expression, 1952–2000." Public opinion quarterly 67.4 (2003): 495-521.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3521691

A very recent one that shows "gender gaps [in political participation] are better understood as a product of men’s comparatively higher levels of enjoyment of arguments and disagreements."

Wolak, Jennifer. "Conflict avoidance and gender gaps in political engagement." Political behavior 44.1 (2022): 133-156.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11109-020-09614-5

Of course there are more that you can find cited in these papers, particularly the latest paper which can link you into the most recent research in the area.

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If you get horrified that easily at differing opinions, then perhaps the stats he brought up aren't so wrong after all? In fact, if you were a perfectly accurate representation of the average woman, you would have completely proven his point right then and there. You interpreted women's unwillingness to share their political opinions as "shyness" but maybe they're all just ""horrified"" like you are, which says more about your cowardice than it does about how terrible and unreasonable we supposidly are.

For the record, I have met a lot of women who are extremely opiniated politically, and I don't know how accurate the stats linked above and the conclusions derived from them actually are since I haven't looked into them yet. I'm just saying that in trying to disprove them and make us look bad, you've kind of embarassed yourself.

I don't think you have any solid basis for your accusations against this sub. We occasionally have comments that make unreasonable generalisations about women, but that's sadly bound to happen. I called one out in this very thread and a mod deleted it shortly after since we have rules against exactly that. I think the real reason you're so frightened by our argumentation is because it's bringing your identity into question.

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I see your point. But it does start relatively young. Eliot Rodgers and Marc lepine were in their early 20s when they killed ppl. Only alek minassian was in his 30s when he killed people.

Back then that wouldn't have been the case. With social media, it's highly likely. Keep in mind school environments are sandbox environments where ppl are sensitive to status and what not due to seeing each other again and again. Familiarity breeds curiosity, even if you don't know them that well. Theres a reason why people latch onto stereotypical labels like jocks, nerds, goths, etc but let go of those by the time theyre out of it. There were also videos of sneako who had 13 year Olds come on his livestream saying "fuck women". So if that's the effect of social media, I don't see no reason a 13 year old would be radicalized enough to kill people. Granted I think it's still rare, but schools don't handle bullying well and if you have people telling you that no one wants you, go kill yourself, call you names etc. One off instance is usually no big deal, but school environments exposes them to it over and over again which builds up.

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Not to mention, the show specifically shows you all the little factors building up. He was bullied in school, then came home, went online, and got bullied more. I thought part of the message was that these days especially, you can't really escape from it. I think 13 is an agen you're most vulnerable to this kinda thing. Its the start of puberty, your mind and body are changing, you're being told to "be a man" and the only people telling you what that actually means, are the red pill manosphere kinda people. Plus you're too young to have a solid grasp on the consequences of something so dire and are a slave to your emotions and your peers.

Plus, there are lots of instances of young teenagers stabbing others. It absolutely does happen. In the case of the actual show, its said that he didn't specifically go out to kill her, he took the knife to threaten the girl into stopping the online bullying, the CCTV shows they have an argument, she pushes him to the ground and then he gets up and stabs her. It seems like it was a culmination of all the bubbling anger and helplessness he'd felt up to that point, and in a fit of anger he killed her, not that he went out with the intetion to murder.

As an aside from this comment specifically, I love how the show doesn't actually take the easy path and say "This is it - the one thing that caused this tragedy.", even about the redpill stuff. It shows the many contributing factors, slowly leading Jamie down this path and the slippy, almost invisible slope and all the signs that are easily missed by his parents and teachers.

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