Wondering if the Patriarchy was made for good reasons and adopted consensually

EmirikolWoker · 2026-04-13T16:06:10+00:00

Patriarchy conjecture, as feminists use it, holds as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it.

breakingthebarriers · 2026-04-13T13:34:56+00:00

We live in the freest, most educated time in all of history, with more protected individual rights in most developed countries than ever before. That includes for women. (majority islamic countries are an exception to that)

Women do not suffer under "patriarchy" in any developed country.

If that were true, no one would know their opinions about the "patriarchy". The fact that they have such a loud megaphone to purvey such nonsense is proof that they can say and do what they want. But now they want more, because they lack logic, and fall for illogical ideologies that they stand nothing to gain from.

Natural-Result320 · 2026-04-13T20:11:27+00:00

Right, if you check the highly feminist societies like Sweden, UK, USA and so on they are on the top list of antidepressants consumption stats, where women are the main consumers, yet anxiety and depression are growing especially within 2020-25 among younger females. These countries also leading in single mom parenting, so non of their politics are making anyone happy as an individual or society overall.

thatusenameistaken · 2026-04-13T22:17:13+00:00

You're overcomplicating it, look at history.

Patriarchies have a chance to evolve into literally everything else after they solve Maslow's hierarchy.

Matriarchies have never gotten past the Maslow cutoff.

63daddy · 2026-04-13T13:30:16+00:00

There is no patriarchy for women to be smashing.

Women aren’t excluded from having a say in politics. Our political system is gynocentric, having passed many laws advantaging women.

zackaryyrakcaz · 2026-04-13T13:19:23+00:00

As a gay guy, I've noticed the same thing. Because while every individual person is different and everyone should be treated like an individual.... people don't treat themselves as individuals. People group-think, and fall into predictable negative (or rarely positive) patterns. And yeah... the military does wonders for the problems young men face, and young women do better with more authoritarian partners. You can just see the evidence for that in data... because we all have issues with discipline, in terms of balancing our instincts. We are all our own worst enemies. We all deserve the freedom to make our own lives... and when that fails, we should embrace the fallback position of asking someone else to help keep you in line. To ask someone else to help control you. Trust me... it's better than asking the government to help do it. You definitely don't want to give the government the authority to fill that gap. They will make us all slaves.

Soulful_Sadist · 2026-04-14T00:41:58+00:00

It was never "made". It's always existed. It's far more a force of nature than any kind of political ideology as some claim it to be. It's buried in the DNA of every human being deeply on an instinctual lizard-brain level.

Patriarchy, which simply means 'Rule of the Father', has been around since humanity's very first social structures helping mankind build, shape, and govern every society whether a single nuclear family unit, or a continental empire.

One of the biggest reasons the world (not to mention western civilization) has gone sideways is from humanity, in their arrogance, stubbornly deviating from it. Besides... let's be real... everything, and I do mean EV-ER-Y-TH-ING that the feminist dogma accuses (as they call it) "THE patriarchy" of is exactly what feminism is guilty of.

Theirs is a veritable master class in projection.

It all comes straight out of the Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto as well as Joseph Goebbels to whom is attributed the famous quote:

"Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it, to create confusion."

chill_in · 2026-04-13T19:50:55+00:00

The fucking "patriarchy" is just a natural fucking progression. Its nature in action, just like a tree or a plant grows a certain way towards the sunlight and naturally finds the best way/direction to grow. Its the exact same with human society, the way it was naturally developed over millenia, the entirety of human history.

And women went on masse to go against that, and destroy the natural order, and they will be the same ones extremely confused asking why society and civilization has/is collapsing when they have taken out the entire natural foundation/scaffolding of life. Feminism is a war against biology and nature. Women cannot just accept what they are, it's a sickening of their Ego.

New-Distribution6033 · 2026-04-13T15:40:11+00:00

The patriarchy? You mean the idea that half the population actively work to keep the other half "oppressed?"

When are the meetings, again?

WeEatBabies · 2026-04-13T13:16:23+00:00

The patriarchy is fictional, like the devil or hell, to control the masses with beliefs that will make them accept any mistreatment!

See WMDs in Iraq or Osama Bin Laden coming to take you freedoms!

I_Was77 · 2026-04-13T14:04:13+00:00

Hordes of murderous marauders at the gates possibly led to the physically stronger side of humanity defending home and hearth, why does everything need to be about keeping score....tiny minds, empty vessels

f2ame5 · 2026-04-13T14:21:45+00:00

It's hard to see how patriarchy actually works.

Our current patriarchy doesn't benefit the man. It benefits the rich man. The average man gets screwed over. It's easy to overlook that which makes women feel oppressed but at the same time men too. But men aren't loud. We aren't taught to be loud. Women are. It's not about women vs men. It's about society. We teach women to act like this. We teach men to act some other way. Man works -> woman is not supposed to work. Man shuts up because they can't provide enough. Woman keeps being loud. Rich man laughs as the workers arent blaming them but we blame each other.

wabe_walker · 2026-04-13T14:56:11+00:00

You need to stop looking at sexist rhetoric—the "and she wonders why men won't date her" videos, for example—as a leading question that sets you up to have to defend or deny their claim based on their premises. Your thesis is flawed from out the gate, in doing so.

Unhingedness is not partial to a specific sex. The sexes may display it differently, by and large*, but spend a single hour browsing this sub and you'll see plenty of “angry, vindictive, and unhinged” nuthouse takes that have little-to-know basis on rationality let alone objectivity, and are instead surmised from the frets of the individual's own traumas, prejudices, or personality disorders, seeking a masturbatory echo chamber in which to pacify themselves—this is human nature, when we aren't paying attention to ourselves.

I am wondering if maybe at some point the men got together…

There was no point in the span of human/hominid existence where a cabal of patriarchal “Adams” sat together in some cave and consciously unga-bunga-discussed a plot to “wrangle in the wahmen”. Seriously, “turn back the clock to our hunter gatherer days” in your mind and think about how unrealistic that is, in the same way that no gaggle of “Eves” ever grouped together in the longhouse to discuss how they might exploit men as their hairy resource sponges and as beasts of burden so that they could remain stay-at-wickiup moms and spend their days gossiping over the knitting awl or whatever other cliches we can come up with here. If you want to find where these sexually-dimorphic behaviors arose, you'll have to go to hominids… no wait, primates… no wait, the mammals? Did the male protoprimate shrews have a serious sit-down to decide that they must slowly condition the species so that males were physically larger than females? Did a sect of cercopithecine Bene-Gesserits plot to create opportunity for themselves to have “sense shaken into them” and they then chittered in great rejoicing at the concept?

We have sexual traits that pour through the individual, by and large, from genital attributes to physiological attributes—the strengths and the weaknesses.

Males, the engenderers, the penetrators, who must directly stab their explicit/outward reproductive organ into their mate to procreate, just so happen to hold neurological strength/propensity/bias in explicit, direct routes of conflict. Males, who spend millions of microcosmic gametes in one single procreative act just so happen to be seen as the macrocosmic “default” and as the beasts of burden who are thrown as fodder at the front line of battles to die so that the few can survive to multiply in further generations. Males, who are physiologically built to breed broadly with little-to-no physiological burden just so happen to be the narrow compartmentalizers when problem-solving.

Females, the engendered, the cradles of life, who must receive the “violence” of copulation in order to be fertilized within their oblique, concealed reproductive organ, just so happen to hold neurological strength/propensity/bias in implicit, indirect routes of conflict. Females, who clutch one single delicate microcosmic gamete at a time within themselves just so happen to be seen as the macrocosmic “anomaly” and the treasures of the tribe, who are protected (read: “impeded”) so that they can replace the numbers lost in battle in further generations. Females, who are physiologically built to breed narrowly while sustaining great physiological burden—great procreative labor— just so happen to be the ones that rely on and stress broad social cohesion in problem-solving so that they and their offspring are safeguarded.

The system that we have is a complex human social system that exploits those of a lower power hierarchy and draws power and resources up to the tippy-top elites, regardless of sex. The specific variables may flux over the epochs, but this is the way of it. Male and female alike are exploited within the contexts of how the above sexually-dimorphic attributes are projected en masse societally; and these can even take on “patriarchal” or “matriarchal” flavors based on the social context within systems that might be labelled opposite: there can be and are matriarchal subsystems within a patriarchal system, and vice versa. To see our contemporary majority culture as “patriarchy” or “gynocracy” is to choose to blind oneself from the fact that “those in power dominate” and that sex is simply an attribute as to how that power might be employed by the individual, how that power might be exploited from the individual, or which flavor of power the individual might be primed to collect the easiest or which flavor of power the individual might covet most. Often times, an individual will exploit their own naturalistically-primed power source in order to then pivot to what societal power they really want, once they gain a privileged access to it. Sexism happens to both sexes, systemically, in different ways that can [I'd reckon] almost always if not always be directly matched with the above sexually-dimorphic traits that the greater majority of the population are born with.

^\Throughout the above,) ^any ^{time I make a claim about a specific behavioral or physiological trait of a specific demographic, I am saying “by and large”.} ^All ^{of this is to use the Pareto distributions of traits as guideposts, and not to assign behavioral or physiological traits or responsibility on individuals based on what innate-trait demographic they may belong to.}

Emergency-Trainer447 · 2026-04-14T04:41:59+00:00

It's not so much accepted, more like it's the natural state of humanity

Constant-Farm-3373 · 2026-04-14T12:24:10+00:00

Obviously it was adopted consensually or rather naturally. Like Andrew Tate (not a great fan of his) says, when world goes to shit, everyone return to their gender roles, just like it happened in Ukraine. First a PR with women in army uniform wearing pencil heels, but when the war broke out for real their women chose safety instead of fighting in the war and dying with the men. Feminists and lefties show it like all the leaders of the men from around the world gathered together or held a teams meeting and made plan to oppress women. Then they returned to their native lands and gave directives to all other men about the same. Patriarchy made the rule of women and children first and to take up the most dangerous of the jobs ever since time immemorial and safeguarded women

Jaded-Intention8457 · 2026-04-14T14:39:47+00:00

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Jaded-Intention8457 · 2026-04-14T14:43:22+00:00

Do it on the small scale gentlemen, see my other comment. If you try to dominate “women” they’ll use it as a legitimate proof of “the patriarchy they live under”. But patriarchy is a good thing, it means governance by fathers, who love their children and nation and don’t see an egalitarian view of the world like the communists do, but love their family/home.

Do not lead a crusade to the detriment of your family or you’ve lost already, enormous change starts small which is why these insane leftists are winning. They understood it earlier than us in the 70s-90s. Make your wife submit, find men who agree and do the same, then talk about these issues when you’ve solved your own and we’ll be back on top in no time.

Rare-Discipline3774 · 2026-04-16T13:51:10+00:00

Patriarchy as defined by feminists does not and has never existed.

My_Legz · 2026-04-19T00:32:03+00:00

Patriarchy was almost certainly the prerequisite for civilisation itself. It's not just something I'm saying but this has also been postulated by some feminist scholars.

Good_Roll · 2026-04-13T19:09:37+00:00

Partially yes. Good leadership requires sacrifice, often of the self. Women are not very good at doing that for people outside of their immediate family for reasons that should be obvious evolutionarily. Their absolute intolerance for physical risk to themselves is why female aggression is characterized by plausible deniability and subversion: classic example of teenage girls all pretending to be friends but constantly making underhanded comments and socially sabotaging rivals.

Running a society like that looks like, well... our current society. Those at the top try to act in a way that will make them seem benevolent but when the chips are down they will sacrifice everything to save their own skins. Though men may be filling most of the leadership roles, the society that raised them and that they perpetuate is feminine and thus guides their actions towards the feminine.

The missing piece though is that women are fundamentally society's hardest to replace resource. Patriarchies arent designed to treat women as inferior, theyre designed to insulate and protect women from outside groups and the underclasses.

okaygirlie · 2026-04-13T13:10:34+00:00

>I'm not the kind of guy who wants to control people. I have no interest in feeling superior or being followed or any of that. I don't look down on women. This isn't a post about how women are crazy.

Keep telling yourself that, buddy.

A_Vinegar_Taster · 2026-04-13T14:46:06+00:00

There are a lot of posts that are pointing out that in the modern day West there is no such thing as patriarchy, and that it is a myth. That's a fair point. But, just because it is this way today does not mean that that it was the same yesterday, a year ago, a decade ago, 50 years ago... Times change. If needed, I can provide receipts.

It was not long ago when women were not afforded the same rights as men, and this was not an oversight - it was by design. If this is not a patriarchy, then I don't know what one is.

But, for those of you who can get past the existence of the patriarchy, I am still curious if you think it might have been something that evolved naturally and was consensual in the beginning. Could there have been a time when men said "Look, you're going to listen to us from here on out." and women said "oh, that's a good idea."

kaleeb111 · 2026-04-14T03:06:35+00:00

Saying all this crap about women like they're inherently bad natured as if they're all some hivemind is a pretty incel statement and I expected better. Mens rights shouldnt go into incel territory.

You also mentioned angry feminists, yes they are understandably angry because even in progressive nations they still cant get bodily autonomy in some places. It really wasnt that long ago women started to slowly catch up with men toward equality, the world still hasnt fully moved on from the influence of the patriarchy.

Title	Wondering if the Patriarchy was made for good reasons and adopted consensually
Author	A_Vinegar_Taster
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Date	April 13, 2026 1:01 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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