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Holy Shit guys. They called it Rape.

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January 16, 2014

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Title	Holy Shit guys. They called it Rape.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	566
Comments	147
Date	January 16, 2014 6:35 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/1vcfil/holy-shit-guys-they-called-it-rape/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/holy-shit-guys-they-called-it-rape.1613843 https://theredarchive.com/post/1613843

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I know what the idea is, but the idea is wrong. First of all, a person who is 17 years and 364 days old is able to consent to the same degree as a person who is 18 years old. The idea that the 17-year-old would be "raped" when performing the exact same actions as the sexually consenting 18-year-old, is laughable.

Secondly, people will on average possess the maturity to consent (in the sense you are bringing up) much earlier than age 18. There is a reason Sweden's age of consent is 15 (and there have been some calls to lower it). In Japan it is 13.

Finally, if we go by the strict definition you've laid out, do 18 year olds have an ability to fully understand consequences? It seems to me that 18 years is the age when people disregard consequences the most. Perhaps we ought to declare any sexually active person under 30 as raped. 30 year olds are certainly able to understand consequences to a better degree than 18 year olds.

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Let's say a 13 year old jumps my bones and begs me to fuck her. You can make a reasonable argument that I have the legal and moral obligation to turn her down,

No one needs to make a "reasonable argument" it's fucking law. Minors cannot give consent, ergo rape.

but if I do fuck her, you cannot logically equate that with a forcible rape.

Are you honestly trying to justify a rape by claiming it wasn't forcible? It may not be "forcible" but it is still non consensual. Yes, even if she wanted it.

Even if we concede that persons below a certain arbitrary age cannot meaningfully consent to sex,

If? There's no hypothetical here, sex with minors is illegal

the psychological consequences of consensual sex vs unconsensual sex are night and day, just as they are in an adult.

Absolute bollocks. A child may not know they're being abused or groomed taken advantage of, they may along with it because they think should or think it's what want. But it's not informed consent, it's not a mature decision.

The same goes for an adult - going along with abuse doesn't negate psychological damage.

The law is definite in this and male or female perpetrator, they should punished accordingly. Specifically to this story though, it's right and should continue that we call female rapists rapists

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Have I fallen into some weird NAMBLA opposite world? If there is a 40 year old adult who, for some reason, feels that a 14 year old child is an emotional and psychological match for them in terms of maturity and fulfillment, I have question the mental faculties of said adult. This also ignores the very real issue of the two individuals being at vastly different life stages, and their inherent incompatibility. Children are practically defined by their inability to effectively extrapolate the effects of their immediate actions to future events. (I would argue this is a skill not mastered well into the 20s when one has familial and career responsibilities.)

The law is designed to protect children from manipulation and possible trauma resulting from engaging in "relationships" they are unprepared to have or deal with. The arbitrary age of 18 was selected based on societal norms and the average age of full emancipation many decades ago. It is a legacy we carry from when getting married at a young age was expected. Focusing on the number 18 rather than the rationale behind the law is an enormous red herring, and it likely won't net you many supporters here.

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Minors, people under 18, are actually not allowed to consent to any contract legally either. If they do, the contract is voidable at their option whenever they choose. This is actually fairly normal for the way the law treats the consent of minors.

In your example, a minor can't be held liable to every class they take, but it is often a federal crime for them not to attend school. You also have to consider that a kid's guardian is the one who makes agreements with the school as far as tuition goes.

Edit: As to how this harms the boy in any way, it could cause a host of issues. From psychological issues like inability to experience intimacy with future partners to physical ones like STDs or pregnancy. While you could argue that pregnancy is just as likely with someone his own age, it would be much more of a social taboo with someone that much older.

It's easy to think, "Oh wow that kid got sexed at 13 by some MILF, I'd be jealous as hell." That's fine and dandy, but it's adhering to gender stereotypes again. The same argument could be said about 13 year old girls who are groomed and 'raped' by handsome older men, because both genders experience similar sexual wanting during puberty. Our society has just decided that it isn't acceptable.

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