The misogyny of the manosphere is necessary for some men. How else can we wean men off of female validation without fundamentally devaluing women?

[deleted] · 2019-09-04T14:42:51+00:00

That's irrational. You're literally saying that you can't overcome like false positive emotions about women without countering it with some serious emotional negativity. That's not how brains work dude.

The actual goal is mindfulness. Not countering it but stepping the fuck outside of your emotions for five minutes and trying to observe them objectively. Countering irrational emotions with irrational emotions is clinically unhealthy. Any therapist could tell you that. It forces you too far in the other direction, it changes your viewpoint while bringing zero balance to your perspective OR emotions. Its literally stopping some bad shit you feel by replacing it with other bad shit. You hurt, so you get misogynistic and now you feel anger, and anger is a much less embarrassing and vulnerable emotion to feel so you're happy.

Except then you end up with Red Pill. A ton of irrational, severely overgeneralized views about women designed to serve that irrational emotion you built up. Justifications designed to create it because you're not misogynistic because of the world, you're misogynistic as a way to defend yourself against other negative emotions.

Ugh. Women are people. It is not until you get past your emotions that you can see them as individuals who have the potential to be great, terrible, and everything in between. Some women just bore the shit out of me. Plenty of men do the same. Women are people, not a monolith, and misogyny is the exact opposite of pedestalization. Just as irrational, in the other direction.

webernicke · 2019-09-04T14:57:05+00:00

Why do you need to "devalue" women? Just get rid of the beliefs that are not true. Overgeneralizing women in a negative way is trading one unuseful belief for another one. Men should be searching for truth. Unfortunately women are not angels, but they aren't demons either.

Ofourkind · 2019-09-04T09:15:55+00:00

If anyone needs to demonize an entire demographic to not make themselves totally beholden to them, they have a complete lack of personal accountability and are likely to remain losers until they gain some.

Tying one's personal worth to the reactions of the opposite sex is a universally common feeling. Pretty much everyone at least goes through a phase of that, many never outgrow it. What separates the winners from the losers is the humility and self awareness to realize that you put yourself in that position, and you're responsible for changing that belief. Assigning blame to outside influences is weak.

JustMe123579 · 2019-09-04T17:29:48+00:00

Just give them the same consideration you would a man. No more, no less. No misogyny required.

eboy4hire · 2019-09-04T16:42:28+00:00

If you wean men off of female validation, most of the guys not getting laid before will still not get laid.

JulieCrone · 2019-09-04T10:12:32+00:00

So would you then say that part of feminism that spent a lot of time going on about how awful men are was necessary for some women and men shouldn’t take issue with it, since women were also raised for a while, and in many cases still all, raised to depend on male validation?

Eastuss · 2019-09-04T08:57:31+00:00

Calling it misogyny is just a strawman.

Dublin_M4ledom · 2019-09-04T10:46:36+00:00

Femcels seem to think something similar. They're full of stupid retarded statements like "men only can love hot women" despite the fact that hundreds of morbidly obese women get married every day.

The evidence that men routinely love extremely ugly women is so overwhelming, so obvious, but they keep on repeating the mantra "men only like good looking women, it can't be my shitty personality" in a weird attempt to convince their unconscious that they're drinking yummy lemonade when it's really piss.

ohheyhi99 · 2019-09-04T12:43:43+00:00

Misogyny is never necessary. All that’s necessary is to stop putting women on pedestals and remember that they’re just imperfect people just like us men are.

If someone says “men make mistakes and women do not” and I say “no, both men and women make mistakes,” that’s not misogyny.

Actual misogyny, like considering women uniquely evil and incompetent, holds men and women back and reinforces the negative feedback loop with extreme feminism.

smokecheck1976 · 2019-09-04T09:54:25+00:00

There are three people who's opinion I give any fuck at all about in this world. If they are feeding me, fucking me, or paying me, then what they say matters to me. If they aren't one of those three, then they do not matter.

Yes, women have done a grand disservice to other women. They made it crystal clear that they find men who cater to their whims to be absolutely repulsive even as they raised a society of fatherless boys to cater to their whims. There was always going to be a backlash no matter what. Now, women are going to go from esteemed and cared for to being treated like men, and they are going to loathe it before it ends.

Dublin_M4ledom · 2019-09-04T17:18:37+00:00

Misogynist thinking is extremely dangerous if you are taking it seriously. If you are just pretending, say for BDSM purposes, that's fine. But if you are really talking yourself into hating women, that's bad news. Unless you are really old, you're already stronger than most women.

I watched that Ted Bundy thing on Netflix and I'm pretty sure that misogyny was not a good thing for him. It sure as hell was terrible for his victims, but he got raped in jail, then fried. He'd be alive today if he wasn't a misogynist. Or maybe he'd have just murdered men like most murderers do. Either way, he probably wouldn't have got the death penalty because he wouldn't have been motivated to torture women in particular. In fact he'd probably have become a cop and just murdered suspects without consequences.

Either way, misogyny looks like a pretty bad deal for the person who feels it. Unless it's something simulated you do as a consensual sex game, stay the hell clear of misogyny, I say.

jonascf · 2019-09-04T19:29:46+00:00

For a man that's been indoctrinated hard into that mindset, there really isn't a way for him to develop more realistic attitude towards women without devaluing them in some way i.e. misogyny.

There is actually, just think of them as ordinary people. An added bonus to this is that it will actually increase your chances of getting laid.

See? The misogyny isn't necessary.

Bntt89 · 2019-09-06T19:09:18+00:00

Dood this is some crazy logic power over here, but I think I may have an even better idea. Think with me ok? With what little brain power you may have left from coming up with such a crazy Newtonian level theory right here. Ok here goes....or you could treat and consider women....normal human beings too. Wow that must have been tough for you, but this theory isn't a hard one it also requires little to no brain power. But it may be tough for you since you're a logic wizard.

wtffellification · 2019-09-04T10:27:26+00:00

How is misogyny not “fundamentally devaluing?” What could be more fundamental?

[deleted] · 2019-09-04T12:34:53+00:00

You realize that misogyny is dangerous and has been linked to various acts of violence, right?

You realize that promoting the idea that women are intellectually inferior can radicalize people, right? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cxx746/trp_and_the_pipeline_to_the_farright_an/

Are manosphereans incapable of realizing the consequences of their actions and how many men they have radicalized?

brander20 · 2019-09-04T10:07:35+00:00

The hate should be condemned absolutely and in more responsible terms that what people of TRP offer. There are quite a few people who talk about after the anger stage who seem to have just misplaced that anger in their frame and give advice that neglects the treatment of women as equals. There projections assume a superiority that would be comical if it didn't reflect some sentiments of those who treat women without dignity around the world.

There is most certainly methods of getting men to not respond to their objectifying of women or seeking of status in attaining sexual validation from these women, and there are clear methods for ending the leftover culture of romanticism from the media. It would require fundamental changes to the culture as well as the political/religious structures that perpetuate the directionless antagonism of individuals.

wingbark · 2019-09-04T13:03:34+00:00

Generalities are good, but not always correct. For example, last year during a week 15 matchup against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Tom Brady drive his team into the red zone and faced a dime package in what appeared to be a pretty normal Cover 3 zone alignment before the snap.

There was a linebacker on Josh Gordon in the slot and a corner split out wide on James’s White with a single high safety in the middle of the defensive back-field so this looks a lot like cover 3 zone.

Tom Brady calls a vertical double seam concept which is normally good because double seams usually shred cover 3. Usually.

After the snap, the rotate the coverage into a cover 2 Tampa, and have each safety sit on those seam routes and a robber underneath them to take away anything thrown into the soft spot beneath the safeties.

BUT if I were coaching a young quarterback, I would still teach them that a single high safety with a linebacker covering a slot receiver and a corner on a half back split out wide most likely means cover 3 zone, and that a double seam concept kills it.

https://youtu.be/YIoKr1f4e8M

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aypi98 · 2019-09-04T12:45:02+00:00

The simping and misgyny theory, interesting

Emervila · 2019-09-04T16:17:13+00:00

misogyny

Taking them down from the pedestal is not misogyny but just equality and fairness, men should idealize pussy that's all

devaluing: when affected by the SMP rules is not misogyny. Like ageing, looks decreased etc are normal factors, they take advantage of positive factors therefore they will suffer the negative ones, is part of the SMP.

misogyny: Are attacks to privacy, reputation, freedom etc.

LeJacquelope · 2019-09-04T19:44:27+00:00

It's more muh soggy kneez than actual misogyny. Except for wherever the alt right intrudes, them mother fuckers truly are hazardous creatures.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-09-04T21:57:42+00:00

Society encourages men to pedestalize and seek the approval of women

No they don't. If guys actually bother talking to girls, most of them would say "Dont doing that. It's creepy." For the past decade, the internet has made it very clear that men who idolize women are looked down upon.

For a man that's been indoctrinated hard into that mindset

That's not society's fault. He had awful parents.

there really isn't a way for him to develop more realistic attitude towards women without devaluing them in some way i.e. misogyny.

WRONG. Demonizing women is the very opposite of being realistic. Instead he puts men on a pedestal.

oldhag888 · 2019-09-05T01:40:51+00:00

You guys are hilarious.

misogyny = fundamentally devaluing women.

Lmfao, case closed.

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-09-04T12:07:54+00:00

What misogyny?

Title	The misogyny of the manosphere is necessary for some men. How else can we wean men off of female validation without fundamentally devaluing women?
Author	webernicke
Upvotes	21
Comments	145
Date	September 4, 2019 8:56 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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