CMV: Contrary to what people say, the peak SMV for men is NOT in their early 30s...

SchemingInBathrobes · 2017-12-25T22:02:02+00:00

I have always found men and women to peak similarly. The best raw material is there in the early twenties for both sexes, but the peak can be delayed for different reasons and thus appear later. Will the man or woman, who peaks in their thirties, be as attractive as they could have optimally been in their early twenties? No.

The difference between men and women are that women are judged primarily on looks, while men are judged on looks + status. This means that a woman can peak in her thirties if she has better style, make up skills and fitness than in her early twenties. Often these things are a result of experience (knowing what works for you) and money, and can thus not always be realistically achieved at an earlier age. However, had the woman had the knowledge, skills and money at 20 that she had at 30, her peak would have been earlier.

Likewise, a man can peak in his thirties if he achieves a level of status that we didn't have in his twenties. This does however not mean that his peak wouldn't have been in this early twenties if he had already achieved a high level of status, while he was more psychically attractive (at least to "prime" college-aged women).

Just compare Justin Bieber with any popular celebrity in his thirties. Justin Bieber (youth + status) is much more appealing to young women than just status. Likewise Selena Gomez (youth + styling) is more appealing than any female celebrity in her thirties (just styling).

Greek-God-Brody · 2017-12-26T08:17:38+00:00

When you're 30 you have:

15 years of time to build muscles
15 years of interesting stories to tell and the time to develop confidence
A large age group of women you can date, something like 20-35 year old women, a 20 year old man can only date like 17-21 year olds realistically
A well paying job that allows you to buy nice clothes, your own place, more interesting dates and so on

Getting a few wrinkles isn't as bad for a man as it is a woman. And you're 30 so it won't be too much anyway. Getting fat and a receding hairline is bad, but eating properly is easy if you're not an idiot and the latter can be mitigated and doesn't even affect all men.

I think the idea is that during our 20s men are undisciplined and lack the knowledge to improve their SMV. Meanwhile the looks disadvantage of a 30 year old man isn't very high.

So a man who hasn't peaked at 20 still has time.

vanBeethovenLudwig · 2017-12-25T23:41:14+00:00

Depends on the man because the ones who don't bald can still be hot at early 30's. However weight gain can definitely be a problem, even men who literally had no fat growing up (you know who you are ectomorphs) start to get that layer of fat at age 30 that never disappears.

I would say peak is between 27-33 depending on genetics. Also many women view men who are still single at 35 and over as losers - doesn't matter if they blamed ex-girlfriends for being the problem - if you're still single by 40, YOU are the problem. Socially, men can grow to be awkward if they're still single by 35 - I've observed that married men can hold a conversation better generally, whereas single men in their 30's (especially if working a full time job that doesn't allow for a lot if socializing with people your own age) can grow depressed alone, or get sucked into "loser" bachelor habits. It's not as easy to be social when you're in your early/mid -30's.

I've seen women peak in their late-20's/early 30's (BUT assuming they have stayed fit and not let themselves go) because they've learned to be socially graceful at that age and develop interests. I've seen too many hot young women in their 20's be rude or impolite or just generally dumb and it becomes a pump and dump situation.

PBRScagsquad · 2017-12-25T21:47:40+00:00

Looks are not the only thing that constitutes SMV for men.

TrueRustyShackleford · 2017-12-25T22:40:39+00:00

By and large women in their peak prefer men who are a couple of years older, even for casual sex, so men must stop peaking a couple of years later at the very least.

I don't see how this can even be argued: sure men can go bald (which they can still own, btw), but on average, and without make up, by age 40, a man who takes care of himself will look better than a woman who takes care of herself. Nature lets men know which women can still give them (healthy) babies and which can't.

a_mans_perspective · 2017-12-26T05:20:53+00:00

I never see men who struggle romantically in their 20s do better in their 30s unless they had plastic surgery

Opposite here. Know a lot of guys in my friend circle who were undersocialized, awkward gamers with no style and shitty jobs. Come 30, a few of them had shaped up. Gym memberships, better jobs+more money, and a more mature/less awkward socializing style, plus some basic ability to navigate dating apps or cold approach... one guy went from an N-count of 1 to double digits and a regular girlfriend who's 22. The fact that he's asian and neotenous helps.

trumputin77 · 2017-12-26T05:24:14+00:00

You can't afford hair implants or plastic surgery? Save up.

1-5 years from now your SMV will go up. I don't understand why you incel types can't just get plastic surgery, hair implants or wear elevator shoes instead of winning on the internet that women don't want to willingly touch your dick.

theiamsamurai · 2017-12-25T23:37:56+00:00

I never see men who struggle romantically in their 20s do better in their 30s unless they had plastic surgery and it was effective enough to drastically change their looks to give them a good enough SMV.

A lot of terpers struggle in their 20s and do better in their 30s because they start lifting and apply game. Maybe you should make a topic on trp titled: "Question for successful guys in their 30's who struggled with dating in their 20's: what was the biggest change that contributed to your success?" You could also try befriending some of those men to get some perspective, rather than ruminate in your own thoughts and continually feed into confirmation bias.

ayovita · 2017-12-25T21:45:03+00:00

This assumes women judge primarily based on looks

[deleted] · 2017-12-26T02:38:32+00:00

I had trouble in my 20s and now in my 30s meeting women is very easy. I think a lot of guys are similar to me. Women love the older guy. Sorry, youre wrong.

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Electra_Cute · 2017-12-25T21:53:51+00:00

First, SMV is only relevant for "masturbating" about a theoretical, simplistic way to assess the attractiveness of a human being, trying to use numbers just adds to unavailing the concept is. So for starts try outright getting rid of the idea it can be measured by some number arbitrarily.

Second, a males attractiveness is a collection of the traits they possess; their looks, mannerisms, career, status, body language, voice etc. Are all the same, they all build up into what makes the male, the male, a sort of amalgamation of all of their traits to paint a picture of who they are, the idea that it all comes down to looks-- nothing else is just annoying Blackpill lookism nonsense.

[deleted] · 2017-12-26T03:11:21+00:00

That there is some fine rationalization.

BothWaysItGoes · 2017-12-26T13:58:27+00:00

Simply no.

washington_breadstix · 2017-12-26T00:11:55+00:00

Nope sorry everything changes for men in their thirties. You have so many options it's mind boggling. Like 20 years worth of women to date from 20-40. Meanwhile same age women's options are closing. They mostly don't want to date younger, and also don't want to date the ten+ years older men who actually want them.

Anyway yeah losers are always going to lose. Who cares about them? Fat guys? Dumb guys? Autistic creep guys? They'll always lose. But for guys who had girlfriends in their teens and twenties and are actually a part of the SMP they will get into their thirties with real experience, real earned true confidence, increased masculinity based on hard truth not wishes and dreams, and a career with money.

And then we can and do settle down with super hot mid twenties girls who look up to us because we've not only survived but thrived.

The losers who always lose? Who care? They aren't even in the SMP. They don't even exist.

Scatre · 2017-12-25T22:28:32+00:00

We just going to completely ignore wealth and status?

weaver420 · 2017-12-26T03:37:12+00:00

100% agreed. Men look their best in their late teens and 20s just like women. Yeah they have the ability to make money and gain power later in life but that does not translate to sexual attraction from women. They're attracted to their money, not their bald headed dadbods (yes im stereotyping based on the average 30s man).

The only reason it seems like men have an edge when they're 30+ is because of money, which women value in a partner. Since men only value women for sex and youth there are seemingly no upsides for being 30+ for a woman, except what she could do for herself (make money, power). Male RMV may rise but they're not gonna regain their youthful charm and looks, so SMV will decrease.

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Entropy-7 · 2017-12-26T04:13:13+00:00

It depends on what you mean by "peak". In terms of looks divorced from all other considerations, men are probably at their best between early and late 20s. That is the key, however. Men's attractiveness, SMV and RMV are not tied exclusively nor even largely to their raw looks. In a face-to-face social setting, style, and social skills play a big part. There is also the question of career success and wealth. The combination of looks, style, social skills and wealth will tend to peak in your early 30s.

It doesn't work that way for women: their value is mostly tied up in their looks and in many cases to their fertility both of which peak in their early 20s. There has been at least one survey that concluded women look their best in their late 20s, but that same study also found that men look their best in their early 30s.

OKC data clearly indicates that the most desireable women are in their early 20s while men have the largest pool of dating options in their 30s.

Regarding the wall, it's made of jello rather than concrete. They don't go splat against it like an egg hitting the pavement. And it is not simply looks but also their biological clock ticking. That kicks in about 27 and then goes high-order by 35. In any event, very few women look as good or better in their late 30s as compared to their early 20s. There are always exceptions just as there are for men.

bonersNlaughs · 2017-12-26T06:08:07+00:00

You either misunderstand rp, or misinterpreted rp shitposts, they often get lost in translation from red to blue.

It's all to do with fertility, a bald manlet is a dead rich aunt who used to pinch his cheeks and affirm he's handsome, to leave a huge lesson in deception and a huge wad of cash and getting easy, fertile pussy. Every average guy is a lotto jackpot away from gengis khaning his home town.

Rps coming from the point of thinking they'll die in a hospital bed, but whose around it? theres a reason career women are more and more freezing their eggs.

762Rifleman · 2017-12-27T01:42:41+00:00

I personally think that peak SMV for men is in their late 40's. Why? Accumulation of wealth and social skills. The number of older men who have picadillos with younger women, paid and unpaid, is too damn high. They're older, wiser, have more social skills, interpersonal capital, as well as wealth to show for their time. Plus a large number of younger women more or less want daddy. Sure, older men don't generally go trolling the bars for booty, but they definitely get around. Additionally, being in my 20's, I would say it's a genuinely awful time for sex. Too goddamn busy with just trying to not go broke and get a good career thing going. I ain't got time or money to go hunting for poon, even if I were a Chad Thundercock. I also have the opinion that looks and youth matter for less than more black pill factions give them credit for.

The historical Benjamin Franklin and Cassanova reveal that both men were not particularly attractive, but instead had superb intelligence and wit as well as charming personalities. Both of them also interestingly enough noted that the quality of sex they had improved as they and their partners aged, likely due to increased experience and improved sexual knowledge. Surveys of older people, especially men, reveal that sex remains prevalent and in some cases even improves with age. It's not bars and hookups every weekend, but instead often the forging of a core relationship, like a wife or LTR, plus side pieces.

PostNationalism · 2017-12-27T02:10:04+00:00

OP post pics or gtfo

1Badmunki · 2017-12-29T05:10:36+00:00

The SMV guys lose in their 30s due to balding or a couple extra pounds can easily be replaced by status/money.

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-12-25T22:53:31+00:00

It takes years to build a body for a man. If a man lifts through his 20s he'll enter his 30s with more muscle did he had at 25.

Plus he will behave more mature and have a more stable job.

statsfodder · 2017-12-25T23:20:35+00:00

I'm almost 40, rocking a bald head cause receding hairline and thinning hair made me feel old. I get approached by 23 yr olds ;) and I don't see myself as high SMV.

AstuteBlackMan · 2017-12-26T00:51:39+00:00

Of course not. SMV

Looks go down but money goes up. So the SMV stays stagnant

CMV: Contrary to what people say, the peak SMV for men is NOT in their early 30s...

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Title	CMV: Contrary to what people say, the peak SMV for men is NOT in their early 30s...
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