If RP works, then why do so many RP men here complain about the dating scene?

oneprettycoolcat · 2017-11-28T17:09:32+00:00

My guess is that lots of men don't like having to act like an emotionless sociopath and play stupid games to get the attention of women. Just a thought.

Butt-Factory · 2017-11-28T16:42:51+00:00

Dating is just fundamentally shitty and frustrating for everyone. I haven't experienced 98% of the issues I've heard complained about on here by both sides, and I could still muster up a few complaints myself. Dating sucks. Attractive people have it easier when getting our foot in the door, but after that there's still innumerable challenges ahead that being hot won't help you with.

Being frustrated with dating is simply a result of dating. It doesn't have anything to do with pills, and less to do with looks and status than some here would like to believe.

washington_breadstix · 2017-11-28T17:50:21+00:00

They're complaining that TRP is even necessary in the first place. TRP is the solution implemented to solve the widespread problem. That's the point.

wtknight · 2017-11-28T16:51:39+00:00

RP likely works with some women, but not all, or else a Red Piller would have a 100% success rate, which I don't think even the guys there who write field reports admit to. Even if Red Pillers think that swallowing the pill helps them to understand women, I don't think that even they would admit that every woman is exactly the same, and therefore figuring out how to attract each individual woman still makes things difficult.

There are also factors such as one's appearance, which limits one's chances of success, and in terms of personality often having to "fake it until you make it," which takes some skill and effort to do.

caesarfecit · 2017-11-28T18:07:45+00:00

Because RP doesn't offer any real solutions to a broken SMP, it just teaches men to adapt and "enjoy the decline".

Also interesting that BPers seem to acknowledge now that the dating scene is broken for everyone and has been for a while. That's new.

BPremium · 2017-11-28T18:35:03+00:00

You have a tool box filled with random tools ( which you dont know what they are or how to use them ), now go fix a BMW with no training! It doesn't work like that. Men will complain when in order to get their SMV equivalent, they have to work they're asses off for potentially years, with little to no success, while she has more options than she knows what to do with little to no effort on her end besides existing. Nobody wants to work harder than others, and the effort and work most men need to put in to get women is orders of magnitude higher than what women need to do.

Would you be pissed if you have to work an extra 10 hours of overtime every week to get paid the same as your female co-worker (with the same title, credentials, and education ), who also has every Friday and Monday as paid time off? Thats kind of what its like.

Now, Im off the market, but I hated every second I was on it. Id much prefer to center my efforts into being one womans dream man. Its much better IMO. But I had to be chosen first, which is ridiculously challenging.

boredthenyoureboring · 2017-11-28T17:06:29+00:00

Because even for successful men, it’s 10 times the work for half the results of Existing While Female.

Even the most ardent red pill haters that I’ve talked to will acknowledge that.

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wub1234 · 2017-11-28T17:27:04+00:00

If RP works, then why do so many RP men here complain about the dating scene?

It's the same reason that people constantly complain about every conceivable subject under the sun.

Complaining is fun, and it's easier than doing something.

larrythetomato · 2017-11-28T22:11:57+00:00

But I see so many RP men here complaining about the dating scene when they have the magic pill to make them successful.

Properly taking the Red Pill is not a magic fix all solution. It is more analogous to one of Jigsaw's trials in SAW, where it is a struggle for your life and most people die on the way. For the the Red Pill Journey, the reward is a proper understanding of the social landscape (which includes sex), and instead of dying, you become a bitter husk of a man. Although for many of those who fail, they were already bitter husks, the only difference is now they are hated by society instead of pitied.

The instruction manuals are there. Most people will not be able to pull them off. I suspect that back when TRP was only PUA and related manosphere blogs, probably 10% or less of the readers would be able to make it into the coveted '20% of men who have 80% of the sex'. Nowadays with the information being more mainsteam, I guess it is much lower.

alreadyredschool · 2017-11-28T16:36:05+00:00

Even hot women complain about the dating scene.

InformalCriticism · 2017-11-28T17:42:50+00:00

These aren't fat incel men complaining about body shaming or fat acceptance. Surely, you can see the difference between TRP's disgust with female nature versus the abject laziness of self entitled ham beasts.

In Japan, there is a real problem, because no one is getting into relationships and having kids.

Men there are essentially MGTOW. They're called herbavoir men, but the concept is the same - completely checked out of society. It's really sad; women are marrying themselves, because men don't want them, yet they want so badly to be wanted.

so many RP men here complaining about the dating scene when they have the magic pill to make them successful

Wait a second, TRP is not some "magic pill". It's just the truth about female nature, and what you need to do to improve yourself. It's not the silver bullet for pussy, nononono no. TRP says, "this is how you can be the best version of yourself" it says nothing about whether that best version is going to get you exactly what you want. Believe me, there's still plenty of room to complain.

theambivalentrooster · 2017-11-28T17:37:50+00:00

Because “rp men here” are mostly low rent whiners and your generation confuses their platform for saying shit with their actually having some shit to say.

selective-autism · 2017-11-28T16:46:16+00:00

Just because it works, doesn't mean the game is fair. Any discussion of these matters is going attract people just wanting to vent. Also, lots of people here who agree with most of the RP perspective (which regards it as obvious that men are significantly disadvantaged in the SMP) are really just black pill people who never gave themselves a chance anyway, and they'll always be here in the background, singing the same old song, not having anywhere else to go to feel validated.

prodigy2throw · 2017-11-28T16:49:38+00:00

RP works following RP is not easy though. There’s years of bad habits and social conditioning that has to be undone. Lots of men who find TRP have to effectively hang everything they were. You can’t just switch off your old self and turn on the new and improved TRP self. It’s even more difficult for men who find it later in life (after 25) when most of their brains and personalities have been basically etched in stone.

To summarize, TRP is theory. Application and execution of theory is what gets results.

cholomite · 2017-11-28T18:19:10+00:00

The red pill has tips and stuff, but it's not something that "works" or "doesn't work". Pick up artistry, which is a part of it will work, or not work.

The red pill is just a outline of reality, relating to dating and sex, in terms that are often ignored or suppressed by society and mainstream media.

The people who complain about the dating scene aren't complaining that the red pill "doesn't work", they are just frustrated at how the game is set up, especially in today's society where social media and optics are everything

Karmanger · 2017-11-28T19:49:52+00:00

The successful RedPillers probably don't go to the sub to brag after every success

SexyMcSexington · 2017-11-28T20:43:21+00:00

Successful RP men are just called "normal". They aren't posting here (often).

newName543456 · 2017-11-29T07:28:48+00:00

Because not everyone who found TRP has done enough work to become attractive?

thegodfather76 · 2017-11-30T00:35:50+00:00

Good question. Never thought of it

[deleted] · 2017-11-30T15:45:55+00:00

If you're out of shape, balding and dress like shit, all the "game" in the world won't make you attractive.

theiamsamurai · 2017-11-28T16:53:20+00:00

Successful RPers don't stay on TRP for long, they go out and meet/fuck people and gym.

reydemierde · 2017-11-28T18:12:53+00:00

Dating sucks for everyone because there are so many unknown variables involved, and if one of them goes against you, you probably won't ever know or find out what it is. I'm pretty traditionally masculine, call it redpill if you want. I'm pretty much in the top 5% of men in pretty much every metric that counts, other than wealth and I'm in the top 20% there, and dating still sucked when I had to do it. Most women even if they are hot are boring, entitled, lack basic social etiquette, and expect you to bend over backwards to get the chance to have a drink and listen to their boring ass conversations. I imagine the experience is similar for most women. The frustrating thing is you usually find something about the person that is very attractive but then you will find other shit that is just a deal killer. Dating is frustrating because you rarely learn of the deal killer until you've invested time and/or money.

[deleted] · 2017-11-28T17:09:23+00:00

There is a strategy to making men love and adore you but it's too "oppressive" to the modern feminist mind

Title	If RP works, then why do so many RP men here complain about the dating scene?
Author	frightynight
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Date	November 28, 2017 4:24 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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