New survey suggests 1 in 5 women getting sexually assaulted in college is correct, thoughts?

DrunkGirl69 · 2016-05-29T00:29:28+00:00

It's self-reported. As much as people are loath to acknowledge it, there are tons of suggestible and/or low-intelligence and/or neurotic and/or indoctrinated and/or ideologically-motivated females who are perfectly capable of believing virtually all forms of unwanted sexual attention is sexual assault.

To give an example, some drunken shithead sloppily making a move in a nightclub hardly constitutes sexual assault by any reasonable standard but I'm sure it accounts for a significant percentage of so-called sexual assaults on campus.

BrahYouSerious · 2016-05-29T00:31:04+00:00

nonconsensual touching

Lumped in with rape.

Who cares about this study again?

InBaggingArea · 2016-05-29T00:38:04+00:00

23% is amazingly low, and frankly not credible, if sexual assault includes sexual harassment, and if sexual harassment is defined as "unwanted sexual attention". Women receive unwanted sexual attention as soon as they start looking pretty as mere girls. It is extremely unlikely that they will only ever receive it from those men they are interested in, that is to say, from the one rock star they are all dreaming about. In most of the remaining cases it will be unwanted. This condition is called "being human".

It is much more likely that almost 100% of women will have received unwanted sexual attention at college, and have therefore been by definition sexually assaulted.

I haven't read the report, but from the part you quoted, it looks like a disgraceful cover-up of the true extent of the campus rape epidemic which is so horrifying the ladies in the powder room. /s

civilsaint · 2016-05-29T01:03:18+00:00

To put this in context, 30% of women have reported seeing a ghost.

The point is that these surveys don't mean much of anything, especially when they are lumping rape in with 'nonconsensual touching'. A person that bumps into you is committing nonconsensual touching...but why the fuck would you lump that in with rape other than to juice the numbers.

EVERYONE has experienced one of these things at college, so the fact that the results aren't 100% is what surprises me.

How about let's be adults and if we are going to do a survey to find out how many students are sexually assaulted or raped, let's limit it to that.

[deleted] · 2016-05-29T11:07:41+00:00

If you genuinely think a Western university campus is as unsafe for a woman as a refugee camp in DR Congo, you're probably brain damaged.

wordjedi · 2016-05-29T02:07:47+00:00

Including sexual harassment.

The other day on my bike a girl hollered something inappropriate at me..

I'm a victim by this standard

exit_sandman · 2016-05-29T06:27:27+00:00

The survey’s definition of sexual assault ranges from “sexual harassment, stalking, and intimate partner violence” to “nonconsensual penetration” and “nonconsensual touching.”

So basically any "creep that eyeballed me" is sexual harassment.

Same nonsense as the 2007 study.

Entropy-7 · 2016-05-29T01:32:09+00:00

The survey’s definition of sexual assault ranges from “sexual harassment, stalking, and intimate partner violence” to “nonconsensual penetration” and “nonconsensual touching.”

The latter are sexual assaults (and usually the minority of incidents reported in similar studies) while the former two clearly are not. Even with "intimate partner violence" if they used wonky definitions like raising your voice being "violence" then I suppose all three go together just as illegitimately.

I'm not going to bother reading the full survey because that one snippet alone makes it just as worthless as the dozens that I have dissected. They conflate sexual assault with something else and then leave it up to the feminist media machine to later conflate sexual assault with rape, as in One In Four Women Will Be Raped Before Graduating College. (Thank you Huffington-fucking-Post for doing what you do best and providing me with an example.)

despisedlove2 · 2016-05-29T07:34:50+00:00

Pure BS, given the amount of brainwashing the women's studies programs do these days.

exit_sandman · 2016-05-29T08:10:16+00:00

“nonconsensual touching.”

Aaaaaaand there we have it.

All you have to do is ask in the survey "did you ever experience "noncensual touching" by members of the opposite sex", and then count that as sexual assault - that's how you get these numbers.

Reminds me of an incident where I "sexually assaulted" a girl at college - she said something goofy and I touched her forehead (to check for elevated temperature) and asked her "are you well?", and she said "stop it". I.e. I touched her and obviously it was nonconsensual.

Okay, that wasn't in the survey, and I guess most women will be smart enough to know that not every physical contact counts as this, but I guess there will be enough who got their ass touched while in a club and count that as sexual assault. Especially considering the paranoia that's going on at campuses.

wordjedi · 2016-05-29T12:09:40+00:00

“sexual harassment

"Hi Susie. You sure look nice today!"

“nonconsensual touching.”

Putting your arm around your date. Taking her hand. Leaning in for a kiss. Pretty much what humans have been doing since they were small hominids on the savanna.

If you write your questions to cast a wide enough semantic net, anything can be anything. Stop genociding me with your downvotes!

[deleted] · 2016-05-29T13:02:49+00:00

Someone touching you without consent is assault. This gets blown way out of proportion.

darkmoon09 · 2016-05-29T00:57:51+00:00

Even looking at a girl the wrong way now counts as "sexual harassment" in many cases.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2016-05-29T04:37:33+00:00

Like most things in life, the devil is in the details as to what specifically sexual assault is. Personally, I think all of these things are bad, even stuff that comes from people having sex while drunk, its my opinion that sex with alcohol should be avoided and looked down upon because of all this shiz (really, you shouldn't be doing anything serious with alcohol). That said, there are different levels of sexual assault, beating up and violently raping them is not on the same level as copping a feel, even if they are both shitty.

We have this sort of conception with murder, we should have it here also.

dicklord_airplane · 2016-05-29T16:17:00+00:00

according to their definition of sexual assault, yes... but that definition is ridiculously broad and unrealistic. according to those surveys, if a guy is flirting with a girl, misreads her signals, and tries to kiss her or cop a feel when she doesn't actually want it, then it's called sexual assault. it's a little ridiculous.

by that definition, i have also been a victim of """sexual assault""" on several occasions because girls have touched me in flirty ways to gauge my interest, like feeling my arms, chest, or hair or grabbing my butt. it sucks to get unwanted touching, but i do not blame them.

i went out to a dance club last night, and a really drunk girl grabbed on to me for a bit while dancing and then flipped me off (good times). it looks like i'm a victim of assault again, oh woe is me! another girl took my hand and got close to me on the dance floor without asking for my consent. a girl cat called me out of a car while i was running around my neighborhood this week. what are we going to do about all of these young, criminal women going around sexually assaulting men??

these definitions of assault are completely based on the person's feelings about the actions rather than the actions themselves, which is why they are not the legal definition.

daveofmars · 2016-05-29T20:47:11+00:00

I'm glad that they tried to define "sexual assault", but they've only replaced one ambiguous term for another. What does "sexual harassment" mean?

If being cat-called is sexual harassment then welcome to the 23%. That's still a far cry from the feminist claim that 1 in 5 women are raped in college.

Also, does anyone see the issue with lumping in the ambiguous term of "sexual harassment" with non-consensual penetration? In what world are either of those in the same ball park?

Apexk9 · 2016-05-29T01:23:46+00:00

Is getting drunk ducking a frat boy and regretting it count as sexual assault?

Denswend · 2016-05-29T17:30:22+00:00

TIL I learned that, according to TRP, there is no such thing as rape unless the woman is actively fighting back, and screaming NO at the to of her lungs.

And even then, that's usually bullshit because 50 Shades of Grey proved that women adore abuse from alphas.

I also learned that denying men the right to grope women as they please is totally oppressive to men.

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darksoldierk · 2016-05-29T17:44:59+00:00

How did they define stalking? or sexual harassment, or intimate partner violence? Often times these definitions are skewed, and are basically based on how the woman feels. For example, they'll ask the women "were you ever stalked?", and she'll say "yeah, one guy followed me around one day, I'm pretty sure he was following me around for more than that". Okay, "pretty sure". Lets not forget, these kinds of studies are biased.

I remember talking to this one girl who told me about her experience of getting sexually harassed in the subway. She said she was alone in one of the cars with a guy who was looking at her provocatively and made her feel uncomfortable. She said he looked like he was going to take out his dick, or that he was going to pounce on her. He did neither, but she equated her feeling of comfort and her perceived threat with sexual harassment. Survey's are flawed by definition because they rely solely on the feelings of the person being asked. They work great when surveying about products and services, but they are certainly not a decent indicator of crime. It's ridiculous to imply that a high number of men are sexual predators based solely on the feelings of victims.

betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-05-29T22:30:19+00:00

Stalking and non-consensual touching included in the definition i see...

lbspredh · 2016-05-30T06:44:36+00:00

If you include sexual harassment and unwanted touching in that I'm surprised it's not a lot higher, I always though sexual assault had a much more fixed definition

SOwED · 2016-05-30T12:02:20+00:00

The survey’s definition of sexual assault ranges from “sexual harassment, stalking, and intimate partner violence” to “nonconsensual penetration” and “nonconsensual touching.”

Wow, well there's your answer. This is like defining assault as anything from someone yelling an insult at you to physically attacking you.

It's pretty clear that there was a motive built into this study.

TheLongerCon · 2016-05-30T23:27:19+00:00

I'm an average looking guy that's been sexually assaulted by this criteria, so I think it's a bit wide.

However, I don't see why some people on here are insisting that sexual assault doesn't happen.

wynterpetals · 2016-05-29T01:07:51+00:00

and ~80% have not.

[deleted] · 2016-05-29T01:18:56+00:00

Ranges from sexual harassment (already so broadly defined it can mean anything) to intimate partner violence? You mean acts that are not sexual assault, but used here to dishonestly inflate the numbers as much as possible? Fucking ridiculous.

notachadthunder · 2016-05-29T04:30:27+00:00

Thoughts? Who gives a rats ass about college girls?

[deleted] · 2016-05-29T20:31:54+00:00

To be honest I think it's correct but not for the reason some people think.

Sexual assault is not what most people imagine it to be. It can include things like groping. As I use public transport a lot I can tell you that random men groping you in buses is more common than some people think. (and no it was not "accidental" groping, please I know when it's accidental and when it's not)

Title	New survey suggests 1 in 5 women getting sexually assaulted in college is correct, thoughts?
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Date	May 29, 2016 12:16 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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