AWALT is a result of Red Pill men not being choosy enough.

ProtoPill · 2015-11-19T21:28:19+00:00

"men would rather have a boring 9 than a 7 with a great personality."

I have never heard this. On the contrary, I've heard the reverse. This of course jives with Protopill's Iron Rule #2: "7/8, you're great; 9/10, you're dead."

crazybutnotsane · 2015-11-19T22:01:01+00:00

You should keep in mind that many of us come from a beta background.

I spent most of my 20s in LTRs.

I wasn't chasing the 9s.

And guess what? AWALT.

GASTON_TONNERRECOQ · 2015-11-19T22:18:46+00:00

AWALT is a heuristic. Treat all guns as though they are loaded. It has nothing to do with screening.

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ozymandias271 · 2015-11-19T22:17:28+00:00

On the other hand, if TRPers as a whole decided to take a holistic approach to dating, to say "I'm going to prioritize finding someone who has good character and whom I enjoy spending time with, even if they are less attractive", they would spend more time interacting with nonterrible women and have a better opinion of women.

Well, 2 points:

First, this is some beautiful Just World Fallacy wishful thinking.

Second, bloops would be the first to say "Of course people only want to be in relationships with those they find attractive! This is basic human operation."

So you are effectively suggesting to a group whose mantra is "Attraction can't be negotiated" that they should negotiate their own attraction. And I just don't think that's realistic or feasible.

I mean for your own genderfluid, less-than-traditional relationships experiences, you probably still aren't out there dating people you don't find attractive. So it comes off a bit (or a lot) hypocritical.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2015-11-19T22:55:17+00:00

I'll attempt to change your view by pointing out the following:

I also notice

that's called "confirmation bias."

Some asshole TRPer has a bad date, so he comes home and rants about it on TRP. Of course you notice that, and you interpret it to mean, "ah ha! TRPers complain a lot!"

Have you seen me complaining? Nope. But because of your bias, you don't even notice. I meet awesome amazing women, like all the time. I don't post whole threads about it. That seems like bragging. Now, I do offer advice as to where I meet them when it's on-topic, as I did here for example.

exit_sandman · 2015-11-19T21:37:01+00:00

No, AWALT is a result people being unable to know by default what type of person they're dealing with.

"all men care about is that she's hot and not annoying"

Well...

I also notice a lot of redpillers complaining that the girls they interact with are stupid, shallow, prone to flaking on dates, constantly on their phones, obnoxious, unwilling to sacrifice things to make them happy, entitled, or otherwise unpleasant to be around.

You were saying?

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planejane · 2015-11-20T20:52:43+00:00

Little late to the party, but what the hey.

There's a TON that goes into a successful long-term relationship. RedPill (from what I've seen) does a ton of addressing of the initial "Does she make my penis hard?" but not nearly as much as what comes after.

It even goes past personality and gets into character, really. That's not to say sex and personality aren't important--but they're really just the tip of the iceberg.

Financial stuff: How much debt does she carry? Does she have good spending habits? Is she going to be a financial contributor?
Is s/he actually able to functionally take care of themselves? (There's a new post almost every day in /r/relationships about a partner who somehow made it into their late 20s or even further who doesn't know how to sort laundry or boil water.) Can we effectively share household responsibilities?
Do we have the same goals and values--religion, extended and nuclear familial relationships, even how important travel and location is.
Can I see myself realistically able to rely on this person practically and emotionally if I got laid off/ got diagnosed with a significant illness or trauma
Can we communicate effectively? Do we actually bore each other? Is his/her sense of humor or anger offensive or hurtful, and are we capable of compromise?

I'm not saying these things DON'T exist in RP, but they're actually such a majorly important part of LTR strategy that I wish it were addressed MORE. It's all good and well to say "Be attractive, no sluts!" but for many that seems to be the complete end of the equation and that's just not the case. I think a lot of men have thought that before, but found themselves compromising on SMV and even the notorious n-count somewhat if the woman ranks markedly higher on some of these other metrics.

I do think that a lot of times, Penis-tingling blinders come on and prevent evaluation of other important qualities. Not saying the penis-tingles AREN'T important--they most definitely ARE, but there are other critical qualities to evaluate as well if you're hoping for long-term success.

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SexyMcSexington · 2015-11-19T21:56:01+00:00

If I was more choosy I'd just call myself incel.

wtknight · 2015-11-20T00:22:33+00:00

No, AWALT is the result of Red Pill men being in the bottom 50% themselves personality-wise. Even if they found a woman with a personality in the 99th percentile most of them would eventually scare her off and then they would claim AWALT once again. TRP is all about getting one's looks and game over that 50% mark so that women ignore the personality as much as possible (or at least until they get sex from her).

wazzup987 · 2015-11-19T22:47:15+00:00

I partial agree but i think awalt is flawed for other reason as well but the whole platos cave of dating still applies.

fluidcore · 2015-11-20T03:25:45+00:00

There is certainly some kind of personality and personality-assessment deficit going on within TRP, but nobody knows what it is.

It's obvious that TRP is "the paranoid survivalist home-handyman libertarian" Ted Nugent type overall, and it's obvious that this type has specific personality dimensions.

But since nobody can study that sort of thing definitively yet, we don't really know.

As with any of this kind of overwhelming complaint about society, invariably the real problem and solution is themselves.

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livingthedreamnow · 2015-11-19T22:44:57+00:00

"I'm going to prioritize finding someone who has good character and whom I enjoy spending time with, even if they are less attractive"

This is my thought process for choosing friends.

I made the mistake of choosing a woman this way once. It resulted in a marriage that went on for 12 years. A marriage that felt like I was married to one of my aunts or something. Yea, I won't be doing that again.

Now choosing a partner is a joint decision between my brain and my balls, with my balls getting the power of veto. The results have been glorious.

GayLubeOil · 2015-11-19T23:54:28+00:00

Napoleon's wife junped on Austrian dick the second he fell from power. She was as aristocratic as it gets. AWALT

Jasper1984 · 2015-11-19T22:57:52+00:00

You mean medians, not averages.(Unless you believe the histograms have a special property)

eclba · 2015-11-19T23:09:36+00:00

Its not just red pillers, all guys are trying to bag the hottest thing getting around

And yes at this point, id rather be with an unfunny 9 than an interesting 7

Xemnas81 · 2015-11-19T23:45:38+00:00

Dump stat pretty to save yourself from crazy. Nothing new.

wtknight · 2015-11-19T23:50:39+00:00

Awalt is just a reminder to be careful. It's like saying all guns are loaded or a lot of people who die in accidents had the right of way. You need to be cautious just because the gun shouldn't be loaded or you should not get hit going through a green light does not mean you shouldn't look both ways. Basically awalt is there to prevent you from committing to many resources and getting burned. If your lady actually isn't crappy it doesn't matter that you were cautious. If she was though then good on you for recognizing awalt and taking the appropriate steps to protect yourself.

gopher_glitz · 2015-11-20T01:03:24+00:00

Society is a result of our ancestors level of standards when it came to mate selection. If both men and women had higher standards for mates then the subsequent generations would be that much better off.

[deleted] · 2015-11-20T19:23:11+00:00

It is quite evident OP fails to understand what AWALT really means.

Five_Decades · 2015-11-24T23:38:03+00:00

AWALT is better described as all women are capable of being like that. I think the degree of a woman's self esteem, self hatred/self love, emotional maturity, life experience, etc. play a major role in determining how much she embodies the negative stereotypes promoted on TRP. Having said that, from my time on TRP (which is a very informative forum full of nuggets of useful info) the kinds of women the guys there go after are part of why those guys run into problems. If you chase after emotionally immature, selfish, damaged girls in their early 20s and only want them for sex you are going to find more women who are destructive.

Dietyz · 2015-11-20T01:15:06+00:00

AWALT is more of a way to keep yourself from being too invested/beta. Just accept the way woman are and gain as much pleasure/enjoyment as you can during your short journey in this existence. Its also a way of making things less complicated, AWALT is useful because it easily translates into "treat all women the same" which is good for people who have little experience because they try and tailor their behavior to the specific person which is stupid and awkward

Here's my hierarchy of importance I just made up off the top of my head

1.) initial infatuation

2.) we can converse easily, vibe well, lots of laughs etc

3.) she strokes my ego

4.) has other good personality traits

winndixie · 2015-11-20T01:40:38+00:00

Your math doesn't work out because it is possible for a woman to have sex more than once and with different people, and that sex and dating one woman is independent from the chances of sex and dating with another woman. When played right sex with hot women will INCREASE chances of further sexual encounters due to preselection.

So no, your statistics doesn't mean RP is wrong, it simply means RP needs to overcome it.

Nazrath2112 · 2015-11-20T14:34:57+00:00

AWALT exists to help men realize that women will do almost what ever it takes to get a man higher on the ladder than you are.

I am sure myself and other RP's can give you loads of stories about chicks cheating on their boyfriends with RP dudes but I am sure you would chalk that up to RP porn so there is no point in trying to change your mind.

betterdeadthanbeta · 2015-11-20T08:04:27+00:00

Few quibbles here.

1) You didn't fully integrate the "low N count" SMV bonus into your argument. Men like low N count women because they're less likely to be entitled cumsluts leaping from one alpha cock to the next and pursuing novelty in the mindless consumerist fashion Western women are known for.

2) You didn't fully integrate the "...and not annoying" SMV bonus into your argument. Most of the activities you listed are, in fact, annoying. Personally, all I need is for a woman to slurp the cum off my dick when I'm finished fucking her and then lapse into sweet, worshipful silence. If she can do that, we're golden.

Key point of comparison: Women need men to actively go out and be certain things. Adventurous, fun, exciting, ambitious, hard working, courageous, and so forth. I don't need shit from a woman other than quiet support and sexual compliance. It's not that hard. But it is different from saying her personality doesn't factor in at all.

3) You forgot to include "sex on tap" and "DTF at all times" into the SMV calculus. This is a huge dealbreaker, and most RP advise breaking up or transitioning towards it the instant sex starts to decline in frequency. A 10/10 chick who only fucks once in a blue moon is still worthless as anything but a trophy.

Bottom line is that RP men do care about personalities, they just do it in a different way from women. Women have all these positive requirements that men must work to fulfill. Men's standards for women are more about avoiding actively bitchy, hostile, catty, shitty personalities that constantly generate harm and drama. It's like a, "DON'T do these things, and we're good" type deal.

And this cuts against your narrative, because these standards are both lower (less choosy) than female standards, but also prohibitive against the sort of annoying female behaviors you listed.

Title	AWALT is a result of Red Pill men not being choosy enough.
Author	ozymandias271
Upvotes	37
Comments	116
Date	November 19, 2015 9:22 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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