A question for the lifters.

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Good evening

At 42 years of age and 9 years married I’ve finally realised what a faggot I’ve become and am going about unfucking myself.

I accept it’s a long road.

I accept I’ve done this to myself.

There are no excuses - just a desire to be better and an acceptance that the stay plan is the same as the go plan. I realise that this will take nigh on a year at least but I’m prepared and willing to do the work, which leads me onto my question.

I’ve started 5x5. Chest, back and shoulders are fine but when I squat I simply can’t use legs properly for up to 5 days. If I follow the programme to the letter, I should be squatting every other day - bar weekends - but I’m seriously concerned about injury.

Am I right to wait until my legs feel ready to train again and just do my other lifts or do I ignore the fact I’m walking like an 80 year old and hit them again. Issue is, I love squatting, but I’m concerned I could seriously fuck myself up.

Thoughts appreciated, gents.


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Title A question for the lifters.
Author DefiantOutlook
Upvotes 13
Comments 79
Date 11 October 2019 11:20 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]dilberryhoundog6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you’ve only just started very recently, then it is probably DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness). DOMS will kick in a few days after an initial load that your muscle hasn’t encountered for a while/ever. I used to get them after the first training session of preseason when I was playing a competitive team sport. And yes I was at a higher risk of muscle tears if I went to the next training with DOMS.

The other thing is, it’s your body. Internet gym bro’s don’t have to use it to get your job done or live your life with. I’m nearly as old as you, I chose to start at the bottom weights of SL5x5 and basically go through the motions initially, learning proper form and strengthening muscles and joints slowly. I had a laugh when someone tried to call me out on my OYS, with a “do you even carry the shopping bags, bro”. But I DNGAF if I hit the plateau of 5x5, one or two months later than “normal”.

[–]SepeanRed Beret18 points19 points  (12 children) | Copy

At any level of soreness, you’ve stimulated muscle growth as much as you can. Going beyond that is just doing damage that needs to be repaired too, it is counterproductive.

Lower the weight drastically to the point where you only get a bit sore, then increase it slowly from there.

[–]DefiantOutlook3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks buddy. That’s what I was thinking but I needed the reassurance that I wasn’t just fagging out.

Much appreciated indeed.

[–]Iammrp26 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's fine to wait but soreness is actually not a good indicator of muscle growth. Strength is.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

At any level of soreness, you’ve stimulated muscle growth as much as you can. Going beyond that is just doing damage that needs to be repaired too, it is counterproductive.

I needed to see that since I started developing a shoulder issue, and I’m pretty sure it’s due to overtraining. It’s not bad, but it could turn into something bad if I don’t back off a little.

[–]Balls_Wellington_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Me too. My ego hates to deload.

[–]SepeanRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Injury is something else, usually a joint or tendon issue and often it’s the movement or your lack of mobility that is causing it, or simply that your tendons and joints take much longer to adapt than your muscles.

[–]RoccoPinkman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve had similar issues to that, I’ve found having sports massage has helped dramatically I go once a week, one week legs next week upper body and the guy is brutal. My flexibility has improved a lot

[–]elbow_ham0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Excellent, the intense massage or vigorous beating training method was born this day.

But just to ease the critics, when exactly has muscle soreness been linked with, uh, anything?

[–]FoxShitNasty832 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Walking like a cowboy

[–]Ipegyourpardon-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

If dude has good form no reason to reduce weight. Your broscience isn't helping anyone.

He is sore, not injured. Needs to increase his work capacity by following the program as written.

Almost everyone who jumps on a program that has you squatting 3 days a week is sore every fuckin day for the first couple of weeks.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Lots of people do it wrong, overtraining is very common.

[–]Ipegyourpardon-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

overtraining is very common

If very common = extremely unlikely, then I agree with you, especially on a basic beginner program. Just like muscle soreness does not equal muscle growth, you have some old school backwards ideas. You still believe in "muscle confusion" I bet.

Weight training is about adapting, you won't adapt if you always pussy out

[–]SepeanRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You make a lot of assumptions about what I believe, maybe just stick to what I said?

Weight training is about adapting

This is a way too vague principle to guide you programming on. Specifics are important. At what level of effort do you trigger adaption? Do you really think the body only makes you stronger if you task it maximally? Do you not believe that maximum effort causes damage that you need to recover from?

Can't you see that there is an optimal point that is somewhere below maximum, and that this point for someone starting out might be far below than for someone well trained?

you won't adapt if you always pussy out

Who said you should always "pussy out"? It sounds like you are so preoccupied with being macho that you can't even consider training smart.

[–]Suck-Less4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Welcome to your 40s. I got my fat ass in shape at 47, dropping 80 lbs of fat. Try this. Whatever new workout routine you do, start the first two weeks light. After you are used to the motions, then start lifting heavy. The biggest difference between doing this in your 40s or 50s is recovery time. We need more, and need a “ramp up” period.

Legs and back were my major week points. Mostly from sitting on my ass for a decade.

[–]Tea-my-hero3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're not following the program correctly. If you're brand new at this then start doing just the bar. Add 5lbs every day you squat. Ends up being 60lbs a month. By month 4 you'll be doing 240lbs and its starting to get respectable. You'll be surprised how long you can keep adding that 5 lbs. I worked my way up to 3 plates this way without injury and I'm also in my 40's. While you're on this easy stretch you'll need to focus on form. This will keep the doms at bay and help you learn proper technique.

[–]umizumiz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yoga, or any stretches targeting areas you need worked

[–]RPeed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not convinced DOMS is due to “muscle damage” or “micro tears” or whatever. I think it’s probably something to do with your nervous system and there’s some intriguing texts out there on how the brain determines which nervous system signals are “pain” that I am too stupid to fully understand but like to imagine are related.

For context I’m natty as Greta Thurberg but can adapt to squatting heavy every day.

0 DOMS. However if I change program or take a week off, I’ll immediately get soreness even at far lighter weights. In fact the less frequently I’m lifting, the more it happens. The time periods I’m talking about are too short to effect the level of muscle mass.

Example: I’ve just finished a program doing 100 squats every two weeks and the DOMS were unreal. You’re worried something is wrong? Walking up stairs after the first session, my legs nearly folded up underneath me and my quads were literally sore to the touch (as in it was painful to rest a hand on the muscle) for several days after each session.

Anyway.

I would recommend you just squat as required, or as close as you get, by the program. It should go away within two weeks. If you’re only squatting every week it’ll take longer.

Should be a life lesson in “active recovery” which, outside of sleeping and eating is the best way to recover.

In the interim, Deep tissue massage or a hot tub would help but also google “extreme stretching”. Should be pretty easy to get into a deep quad stretch and hold it for 60 seconds. Next day it should have completely eliminated the pain. It’s so effective I’ve actually dialled it back

[–]FlyingSexistPig4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Going slow on squats, especially at the beginning, is HIGHLY recommended.

I've had to take a break from regular gym lifting. When I go back, I'll squat my minimum. I'll do a couple of sets of 5, until I just start to feel something. Then I'll stop. The next day, my legs will be sore. The day after it will hurt to do anything. The day after that, I'll question everything I know about everything. Day 4 I'll think things are getting better, and Day 5 I'll squat again. I'll do a full 5x5 set of my minimum. I'll be sore for a couple of days, then I'll be fine.

After that I'll have a rapid progression towards what I think of as my normal weight for squats. It will take 2-4 weeks before I am doing my regular 5x5 on what my target weight was the last time I stopped.

I should mention that I absolutely love doing squats when I get back into form. My back issues go away completely, my legs turn to steel and I feel like I can conquer the world, as long as I'm not sore.

[–]RoccoPinkman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How long ago did you start? Week one and two this is normal, after that it should get progressively less.

Do you know the difference between DOMS and injury?

Are you tracking calories? You need adequate calories to recover properly.

[–]boy_named_su2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I restarted lifting weights after about a 10-year break at the age of 43. Managed to injure most of my joints, but after some rest and recovery and physio made it to the thousand pound lifting Club

If you can't walk for 5 days after squatting, then I would suggest lowering the weight by about 20% and going again from there. How much protein are you eating? Calories? If you're taking creatine or HMB, that can give you leg cramps. Drink more water. Are you getting 8 hours of quality sleep?

Look at the form videos on the StrongLifts site. How does your form compare?

[–]that_italia_guy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Push pull legs baby

[–]Shyrk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Up your protein intake. Supplement with Glutamine.

Listen to your body over anyone or anything, rest appropriately. You will not progress by overtraining.

[–]arm_candy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve started 5x5. Chest, back and shoulders are fine but when I squat I simply can’t use legs properly for up to 5 days. If I follow the programme to the letter, I should be squatting every other day

Yeah, but you’re not following the program to the letter are you? That’s your problem.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy

Are you sure your form is good? You shouldn’t be sore for that long in the legs after a couple weeks. I’m 51,

and I do heavy squats twice a week,

and on one of those days I also do

(4) sets leg extensions

(4) sets leg curls

(4) sets calf raises.

I have almost no leg soreness.

Maybe check with a doctor if you’re sure your form is good. Legs seem to hold out better with aging in my experience

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy

Yah, but you have almost no soreness because you've been doing this for ages. OP just started. If he weren't sore it would be strange.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’m thinking he’s been doing it long enough that it should be getting better at a minimum, but since he’s a faggot, he left out one of the most important details- how long

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol, just noticed you got downvoted for some weird-ass reason... I think OP just started... but who the fuck knows.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

9 times out of 10 a butthurt OP. Man, imagine how badly the wives much make them feel butthurt if an internet stranger can make them butthurt

[–]DefiantOutlook0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Correct Johney, but I’ve never had pain like this previously and it’s not happening in other body parts, which is where the sensible pointers here are that it’s my form and I’m gonna speak to a PT this week. On the whole, the advice here is solid and I really appreciate it. Thank you, gentlemen.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

At your age you're smart to worry about both (1) squats and (2) dead lifts. With that said, you "love squats" so perhaps you're a bit overly-enthusiastic about them, compared to the others.

Since you just started, it's expected to have soreness.

No other exercise will bring on the level of soreness that squats can. They're brutal. They're beautiful.

I don't think your physical therapist is the right person to consult.

In the event it's actually either (1) a structural thing or (2) a form thing, you want to talk to a trainer who's particularly well-versed in power lifting and/or squatting.

These dudes really know their shit in this regard:

  1. reddjive - competitive power lifter - cool dude - always thought he was from australia 'til I learned he isn't.
  2. red-sfpplus - big & squats hard - great dude - always DMing me nudes.
  3. RedPill-BlackLotus - built mother-fucker - clearly knows his shit.
  4. rpeed - I have a feeling he knows his shit more than any of us.

Calling SK, SSS or another mod... is the the "three link thing" still a reality? If so, OP, you need to reach out to these dudes yourself - should you choose to do so - because reddit doesn't (?) send messages when there are more than three links.

... Then again, those dudes are bad-asses and probably don't have time for your weak-ass anyway.

[–]RPeed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the attempted lamp rub dude, actually I want to DM you some business questions.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bring 'em. I'm working today anyway.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

How long have you been doing the 5x5 (consistently)?

[–]DefiantOutlook0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I’ve been doing it for two months now and, like I said, other body parts are handling it as they should but my quads feel like they are collapsing. I cycled a lot in my 20’s so know how quad burn feels but this is something else. Gluten, hamstrings, calves - all fine. Must be form related.

[–]EasyDaysHardNights0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

quads feel like they are collapsing

You're doing squats and listening to your body, both of which are really good things to be doing as you start out.

Use the length of time it takes to recover between sets and the quality of your form as an indicator on when to increase or decrease your weights. If it's taking more than 3 minutes to recover between sets or your knees are wiggling left and right like Elvis Presley during your squats, those are both indicators to dial back the weights.

I cycled a lot in my 20s

I played soccer (a kinestheticly similar sport to cycling) for over 20 years. Also like you, I'm doing 5x5 as I grind toward the land of Alpha. The explosive sprints we did in soccer and cycling still don't match what we're looking to accomplish in 5x5.

As a friendly service reminder, heavy lifting activates completely different neuronal paths than what you'd have experienced in a primarily endurance based sport like soccer or cycling. Even if you were still cycling now, it would be different neuronal paths. Thus, your lifting form is going to suck while your body figures out a lift at each new weight level. Remember, you're not just growing the muscles that will make you sexy but the neurons needed to fire them correctly and create that correct form (not as sexy but just as necessary).

It's easy to want to go Rambo and make up for lost time. You've got a good start and have a good awareness of where your body is. Getting a PT can help (be sure they lift heavy). Keep at it you'll get there.

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say that you have big muscles and they need some time to reconnect. I would expect recovery to take longer because there's more to do.

I was watching a video with Clarence Kennedy. Normal 5x5 recovery time between sets is anywhere from 90 seconds to 3 minutes, right? Clarence waits like 15 minutes between sets. He's still growing muscle, but he squats 500+ lbs, and because his legs are so huge, it takes a long time to recover.

You have big legs. Things are going to take longer because of this.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most likely you’re relatively better at using your legs than you arms from sports you once did, but neither have the muscle adaptation to handle the load since you haven’t done anything for years.

Or maybe you’re doing the eccentric movement slower with your legs than your arms.

[–]DefiantOutlook0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks bro. I’ll check in with a trainer this week on the form. My legs were always my go to strong point and it’s slightly funny how my other body parts are holding up. It must be form or intensity related.

Good to know I can still be killing it in another decades time. Cheers.

[–]freekshow880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How much are you squatting?

What is your after workout routine?

[–]1kdawg10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This will get better over time, but stay consistent. Also, good stretching pre and post leg workouts are key.

[–]Thorondor_Rising0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Leg presses Sissy squat (look up the machine and see if theres one set up at your gym) Smith machine squats

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean exactly when you say “can’t use my legs properly for 5 days”. Also, talk about how you stretch before and after lifting and how much water you drink.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

Sore is fine. Quite being a pussy.

Sore is not injury.

Foam roll. Stretch more.

[–]gettingmymojobackRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You’re getting downvoted but you’re not wrong.

It’s perfectly normal to dread taking a shit for 4 or 5 days after leg day if you’ve been away from the gym for more than a couple of weeks.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro, I shit while I am doing legs...

[–]RoccoPinkman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not doing the shit that hurts, it’s getting van up off the toilet lol.

[–]SepeanRed Beret4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

You’re on gear, you have say twice the capacity for recovery that us natties do. You can benefit from, or least not get hindered by, putting your body through much more abuse.

[–]arm_candy2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah, but OP just started lifting. Long lasting DOMS is pretty common in new lifters or after a long break. Even an extremely half-assed leg workout can leave a new lifter with significant DOMS. Fastest way to get past it is to hit legs 2-3 times a week for a couple of weeks.

[–]SepeanRed Beret3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Absolutely. The question is, do you reduce loads, or just keep going full power with a ton of soreness. A bit of soreness is fine, that damage is what stimulates muscles to grow, but extreme soreness is a sign you’re going over what a natty’s body is able to recover from without hindering its ability to grow at the same time.

I don’t know if it is the same for guys on gear, it could be it isn’t. When on gear you can do a lot of shit wrong and still get great results. But even if they are training optimally, what works for them is rarely what works for natties.

Natties really shouldn’t swap notes with guys on gear, it’s just very different.

[–]arm_candy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If OP were following the program he probably wouldn’t be having this issue. Either his body would adapt to the load because he’d be squatting 3x/week or the fatigue would catch up and he’d start failing and be forced to deload soon. Not following the program is likely contributing to the issue.

If it were me, I’d probably go ahead and deload 20% and then start following the program properly. But if it were really me I’d actually pick a different program because squats 3x week hurt my old man hip joints. 2x/week is my max for squats.

[–]Ipegyourpardon-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

A bit of soreness is fine, that damage is what stimulates muscles to grow, but extreme soreness is a sign you’re going over what a natty’s body is able to recover

No, just no

It means your out of shape, if anything you need to start doing more. Quit giving guys excuses to be pussies.

[–]SepeanRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you feel better about being a tough guy who ignores pain than being some who trains effectively, go ahead, do it your way.

[–]Ipegyourpardon-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pain and soreness are two different things

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dont try to gaslight me cause you are afraid to jump on the juicy train.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Depends on what you mean you ambiguous asshole, there's a big fucking difference between (1) lactic acid or DOMS discomfort (which have nothing to do with each other as sepean pointed out) and (2) a neurological condition.

What the fuck does "I can't use legs properly" mean, dumbass?

I suspect it means you haven't done anything physical in 42 years, the exact moment the only physically-taxing thing you've ever accomplished was to escape from your mother's womb.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

DOMS have nothing to do with lactic acid.

[–]DefiantOutlook0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Beautifully corrosive response. Thank you. What this ambiguous fuckwit means is that my legs wobble to a serious extent when I walk after squatting for a couple of days. I never said I suspected a neurological condition. My instinct is lactic acid but what’s the harm in checking in with those who have been lifting for longer?

[–]RP_PO1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How much protein per day? Your body requires more protein the older you get beyond 30 if you want to make considerable gains

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My legs do that too when I go back to squatting. It goes away after I get back to doing them regularly.

I'm old.

[–]into_being0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

At 5 days of soreness/handicap?, you’re doing something wrong... drop the weight on the bar and/or switch to a program that has split up leg lift days (5/3/1 or gzcl).

If it was literally the first couple times you’ve ever lifted, you can just focus on getting the form right and lower the weights on the bar. reduce working sets to 2 or 3.

Better yet, find a gym buddy, cuz we have no idea what exactly you’re messing up so badly...

[–]DefiantOutlook1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

If it was the first time I’d ever lifted I’d agree. I think I’m doing something different but unsure what. As I said to another poster, I’m gonna annoy a PT this week and get my form checked. I’m just glad I checked in as I felt it wasn’t right but you start to doubt yourself sometimes as think that you’re getting soft as you get old - I do, at least. Thanks buddy. Appreciate the input.

[–]into_being1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Good you’re getting it checked out. If you’re overdoing it with too much volume or too much cardio, and:or have underlying disease it could be rhabdomyolysis... google and compare your symptoms - go to ER if you have dark urine.

[–]DefiantOutlook0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks bro. Pretty sure it’s not that, after a google of symptoms. It’s probably a combination of faggotry and bad form and I’m going to fix that. Funny how I always thought my legs were strong when my chest, back and shoulder can handle much more. We delude ourselves - it seems. 👍🏻

[–]rrakausk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Try racking the bar on the front. Less weight but better balance/form. Can you go really deep? If not put a 5lb plate under your heels until you can. Do you "bounce" out of the squat or struggle up? Do you do it barefoot or in the usual gym shoes? If you don't use lifters wedges then go barefoot - all that wobbly rubber under your foot will fuck you up long term. Lots of variables mate. good luck

[–]dll1420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Decrease the weight and do more reps in the sets to start. Also, make sure you stretch really well before and after the lifts.

Stick with it bud, you're doing fine.

[–]Smuggler-Tuek0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you start with just the bar and add 5 pounds every workout or did you start higher?

[–]DuffBude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you are doing Strong lifts 5x5, then you need to deload a lot. It's repeatedly explained in StrongLifts that you must start from a very low/easy weight in order to practice your form. (And progess gradually from there)

https://stronglifts.com/5x5/#gref

[–]JCX_Pulse-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy

You shouldn’t be sore after lifting. Drop the weight as others have said. Hit full body 3x a week for maximum gainz

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am always sore.

[–]JCX_Pulse2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s because you don’t give your dick a rest

[–]arm_candy1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

What are you talking about? It’s extremely common to be sore after lifting. It’s so common that people regularly debate whether its a problem not to experience DOMS.

[–]JCX_Pulse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That doesn’t mean you NEED to be sore after lifting. DOMS prevents exercise, it doesn’t promote it. If I squat so hard Monday I can’t walk until Saturday, I’ve missed 4 days of additional leg work. How is that conducive to muscle building? It’s also a reason for burn out. It’s not fun to be sore for a week.

[–]arm_candy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That’s way different than saying you shouldn’t be sore. Yeah, once you’re in a routine and used to it, your shouldn’t be experiencing DOMS for 5 days. But moderate soreness for a day or two is pretty common even in experienced lifters.

Someone who’s always sore for 5 days is probably hitting legs once/week, which will make it harder for the body to adapt to the load.

[–]JCX_Pulse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed

[–]DefiantOutlook0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Thanks mate. I guess I was forgetting I’m not 20 any more. I remember lactic acidosis build up in my younger days but the legs have felt something else so backing right down seems the prudent thing.

Thanks again. 👍🏻

[–]aguynmontana2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

wait

Pro tip... Baking soda stops the lactic acid. take a teaspoon or so in water about 30mins before doing squats. You won't be as sore the next day.
The trick is the amount too much & you're going to have the squirts. Not enough & your just drinking nasty tasting water.
( I have friends that are marathon runners. )

[–]JCX_Pulse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think this has more to do with de-conditioning as opposed to your age. Once your body starts to adapt you’ll be just fine.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It has nothing to do with lactic acid. It’s literal muscle damage.



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