In my experience in the kink/BDSM world, it seems anecdotally that the overwhelming majority of straight women identify as submissive to men. I would say over 85% of all profiles I come across on Fetlife are like this. (Women who like to dominate men and who don't do it for money are exceedingly rare, maybe 5%).
The few studies I could find support this. According to Wikipedia, "A 1995 study indicates that 89% of heterosexual females who are active in BDSM expressed a preference for a submissive-recipient role in sexual bondage, suggesting also a preference for a dominant male".
Now that's women in the BDSM community, who have the freedom to be totally honest because they've already identified as being in a "taboo" community. But how about "regular" women?
We know how hugely popular 50 Shades of Grey was, and if you know anything about BDSM/Kink, you'd know that real life is not like the book/movie in most cases. That said, it sparked a more publicly honest discussion about the dynamic. A 2014 Cosmo survey found "nearly 65 percent of women reported fantasies about sexual submission" but "about half of women whose favorite fantasies involved submission said they wouldn't want to actually act it out."
What does this mean? I think it reflects the following - that when more free to be honest with themselves about their sexuality, a significant majority of hetero women will admit they wish to be dominated by a man sexually to some degree or in some capacity. This does not automatically mean tied up and beaten with objects. Wiki says "The term female submission most commonly refers to a woman who derives sexual pleasure or emotional gratification from relinquishing (to varying degrees) control to (as well as satisfying) a trusted dominant partner", and that definition is pretty good.
Why Should PPD Care
Because my theory is that TRP is imprecise and thus inaccurate when it claims women have rape fantasies. Most don't. Most do, however, fantasize about "giving" their total sexual selves to a man they crave on a physical and psycho-emotional level, one who appears to have the body and balls to fuck them the way they've always dreamed of, but who also has a kind heart, and well functioning mind that attracts them as much as his body.
Conclusion
TRP is right church/wrong pew about what women want from males sexually. Women don't (generally) want to be raped; they (generally) want to be "taken" by a man they've "given" themselves to because everything about that man makes everything about them melt. If TRP articulated their points better, perhaps more would agree with their basic tenets and less outrage porn would be generated.
Disclaimer
Sexually submissive does not mean the woman is always submissive. Fun anecdotal "fact", women who are high-powered dominant types in their work/home lives are often the ones craving sexual domination the most.
Submission does not mean weakness; it means what the Wiki said - balance of control/power which must be given.
True submission is earned by the Dom and given by the sub, and can always be taken away. There is nothing forced.
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that you equate submission with weakness or inequality speaks to your ignorance
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So you're 19. And have no life experience.
Please, though, millenialsplain to us how women who seek to "submit" in the bedroom only do so because men "pressure" them into it.
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Most sexual relationships, and you don't really need the label in a lot of cases. The idea is that most women want their man to take and fuck them like they fucking mean it, most of the time. But TRP is inaccurate because it holds that most women have a rape fantasy. I'm saying TRP describes the phenomenon wrong but the idea (women wanting to be "taken" by their powerful man, consensually) is completely right in most cases.
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I also cited a few surveys and articles, but I guess they don't count because why?
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This is so wrong its ridiculous. Look at the Wiki citation again, which noted "89% of heterosexual females who are active in BDSM expressed a preference for a submissive-recipient role."
I'm not going to waste another moment arguing with someone who will lie about a cited fact.
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Besides saying that if you were my wife you'd literally murder me, on what do you base your conclusion that I'm wrong?
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For sure. I'm 100% Dominant all the time (primal subtype if you know your kink), but my wife will want to pounce on me or cuff me and ride the fuck out of me on occasion. Hell, I've had more than one sub tell me they want to dildo my ass just once (won't happen but I invite them to try it, haha).
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Former MRP. Been away from the pills for a couple years. Lost the password to my old account or I'd use it. I remember you though. I always enjoyed talking to you, and you kept hope (perhaps naïve) alive that not all BP's on Reddit were man-hating SJWs.
I was known then as A_Rex….
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Oh I remember you very well. You told your wife that despite her perfections she had to let you get with other girls because of your high school disappointments.
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Second that. Some choice his wife had, let him see other women or leave. Guess that is some of the wonderful romanticism MRP says only men are capable of.
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So humans aren’t allowed to grow and change over decades? Once you make a commitment it’s literally death till you part? Please, show us all examples where you gave your fellow women such advice after they became dissatisfied with their husband.
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Seems too much to hope for that he might have allowed her fun on the side as well.
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At no point was this woman perfect; I just refused to demonize her for being human.
She didn't have to do a thing. I don't control her. But I was going to do what I wanted, she was free to come with me or leave.
She came with me, and we're having a fucking blast. But haters gonna hate I suppose...
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I’m not hating. I recall your story as poignant and likely emblematic in mrp and cautionary as well, then sad in its telling. All very different things to hating.
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Your oversimplification paints her as a martyr'd saint and me as pathetic (still haven't gotten over high school, really?), but OK. Tone is hard to sense on an internet message board.
I had no reason not to. She was a good woman and a good wife. This literally had nothing to do with her, and it took her a while to understand that.
Now she's the best wife on the fucking planet (and without going into too much detail I think she'd say she's never been happier with me).
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Ya I don’t think anybody needs a belt around their neck to figure this out. It’s part of being a girl. Duh. That’s not to say I’m not going to laugh out loud at a lot of the stupid shit it 50 shades of grey or the need for some elaborate and confining ritual that “enables” me to “be myself” but yes I think most girls like a powerful and forceful guy.
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You just think you do.
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To the contrary, they are much more honest when they can drop the pretention and speak freely.
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You claim to be speaking for all women when you say
My point is that women certainly do speak like this. Women are doing it here (which you dismiss somehow as an outlier without proof), and they do it in plenty of other forums as well.
And I'm not speaking for those women. I'm watching them say it. I'm watching them literally advertise that this is what they actually want.
Not all want the same thing, but the vast majority share the same basic theme.
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These women are regulars who have been posting here for years. Your account is 2 weeks old.
No, I provided survey results performed by others that back up one guy's observations and hypothesis, but you only attack the speaker here.
With what? You don't even know what forum I'm speaking of, but you disagree about what I see there? That's not possible, unless you're just disagreeing with me for the sake of it.
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What are you the mainstream media? Make outrageous claim, promise proof later, then deliver a retraction even later when no one is paying attention?
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When the thread is over 24 hrs old and no one cares. Because copying and pasting a link is tough and takes a long time. Do you honestly think no one sees through this?
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And most of them are the Omegas of the kink community, in looks and attitude
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He’s referring to a study in which dominant (type A, take charge leader types) both preferred submissive fantasy scenarios. It was found men with greater social agency (power) and physical agency (strength) tended to fantasize more about being forced into submission.
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It's pointless whataboutism. Whether a lot of men have submissive fantasies has nothing whatsoever about my discussion claim that most women are sexually submissive in the bedroom. Nothing.
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I was clarifying her reply that it’s not really gendered in that respect.
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It’s not patently false. That a few high earners pay money to have their balls kicked does not mean they are not weak omegas.
In fact, it proves the opposite. If they were truly dominant then women would do so, freely, voluntarily, and eagerly at their command. That they have to pay is weak, beta/omega and lame as fuck.
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We aren’t just talking about men who pay. I linked the study below in the comments, and it says men with both strength and social influence, nothing about whether they pay or not. I’ve dommed and my preference happens to fit exactly with what I stated: strong, masculine, athletic men at the top of their game who like relinquishing control. The prevailing theory is that they desire to be able to let go and have someone else take charge for once. Generals, CEOs, managers, successful engineers, so on - funny thing is the most “dominant” men I’ve met are fitness instructors and blue collar, but even in that segment there are those who like the idea of the woman taking control. Other dommes have only corroborated this existing trope. Your POV seems to not really be congruent with reality but some kind of projection or wishful thinking.
Honestly this seems to be an ego thing with guys who can’t get over the idea that secure masculine men might like following someone else’s lead sexually.
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Once again, male submissiveness is whataboutism.
It has absolutely nothing to do with any part of my statement or discussion. Nothing. Yet it’s all you want to talk about, almost as though you’re trying to derail discussion on the actual point raised.
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Just replying to your own conjectures and calling you out on statements that I see as being inconsistent with both my experience with kink/the kink community and its values and what’s been observed by researchers. The main point is that while there are definite gender differences in sexual behavior gender as the main determinant of whether a person is sexually submissive is problematic and ignores other factors like the amount of agency the person has in their life etc etc. Given the existing data if societal expectations were different would we see more women taking control and more men relinquishing it without having to pay for it? Most likely.
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The fact that you equate sexual submissiveness as problematic belies your ignorance of what it means and how it is viewed in the kink community.
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"I would say over 85% of all profiles I come across on Fetlife are like this."
I went to the library and most people there were either reading or checking out books. Now I know most people are avid readers but just don't admit it because they don't want to be labeled as geeky by their peers.
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I supplied actual surveys to support my anecdotal evidence. WHat you're trying to do adds nothing to the discussion.
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A Cosmo survey. Whew that is the big leagues. Only half of the 65% of women with submissive fantasies said that they would want the fantasy to translate into reality. That means only 32.5% of the said women want to take it into real life. Hardly a groundbreaking number.
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Do you have anything to contribute? Surveys proclaiming the opposite of my conclusion? Anecdotal evidence from your relevant experience?
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It's your post so you provide something better to reflect your view from more reputable sourced .
You said a majority of women but all you gave was Cosmo that indicated the opposite of majority and a survey from women active in BDSM.
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It's a discussion thread. And look at the responses; think most are agreeing with me.
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Where'd I say that?
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Your replies are the vapid inflammatory nonsense I'd expect from an SJW. Disappointing.
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The point of the post is that women are generally sexually submissive to truly Dominant men. So TRP is right. Where TRP sounds retarded is when it says women have rape fantasies, because most women really don't. This is not tone policing by me, its me saying "stop being wrong and sounding stupid".
At no point do I suggest that cliché sanitized BDSM stuff is the type of dominance TRP teaches - far from it.
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I agree. I didn't mean that whips etc. were needed to express dominance.
If that's the latest from TRP its again close but misses the mark. Most women I think want men to have the balls to express the urgency of their desire - this often manifests in things like shoving her into the wall, kissing her hard, and fingering her. Bending her over, pulling her panties aside, and fucking her goddamn brains out.
This is tricky when dating especially in the vanilla world (my wife and I understand all boundaries, and anyone we play with, we get all that shit up front). But you can always ask for consent in the moment without being unsexy. Whisper/grunting in her ear "unless you stop me, I'm going to bend you over, pull your panties aside, and fuck you senseless. Are you going to stop me?" should work...
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To most men today, I'm saying yes.
100% agree. My theory is that it's the intensity of the expressed desire every time. But for TRP, they need to "keep it simple, stupid"; they should also be accurate without sacrificing brevity.
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So lying there and letting a man have his way with you is boring.
Ok. But,
You being dominant and doing what you want to a man, you have no desire to do.
Ok.
What the fuck is having sex with you like? Please, enlighten us.
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Sounds riveting and intensely passionate. I’d totally call you the next day. lol
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I didn't write the Wikipedia article. Can you focus on content or are silly distractions too much for you? Honestly?
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Oh not at all. A corollary is that there are many man who are submissive or who are switches (can be both Dom or sub), and that these men turn the vast majority of women off because of this. Which proves part of TRP right in that women generally have no interest in weak men who will grovel before them.
Oh I know, and they shouldn't have to. But they should care about being accurate and correct if they want their advice to be taken. Saying women have rape fantasies is just not true, and training men to think it's true is harmful and counterproductive. That's why they should care.
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Are they? I haven’t run into any. I’m srsly asking.
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Are there really lots of submissive men?
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Well it’s escaped my particular notice tbh other than them as outliers like the guy in Billions.
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Yes. And it makes women sick (at least the ones I talk to). A lot of them won't even identify as "switches" even though they are, because to do so would trigger a deluge of e-mails from sub men
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As with anything, a sub's submission must be worth having. Most sub men are not desirable to women in any context, and what they want is decidedly unmasculine. A hot, muscular "boy toy", that's as rare as the true female Domme.
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[–]321PK1 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
I think TRP could be monetized very, very easily using the social media influencer model. It only requires some repackaging, an attractive guy, and the right lifestyle pics. In fact I think th Family Alpha may be the first one of them going down that road. I noticed he had a product placement on his blog.
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It's a person who has a personal/lifestyle blog in which they write about the things they do, the places they go, what they eat, all of that. It is huge business for them when they get companies sending them products and paying them to "place" them in their blog stories etc...There are many girls making 7 figures doing it, not to mention all of the great free stuff they get like Volvos, trips, jewelry etc.. Of course a lot of it is aspirational for the followers and I think that is why there is a real niche there for the right terper to really make bank doing it. Of course they would have to tone down their rhetoric a tad and that might make them too sad.
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Sort of. It’s more involved than just posting pics but that’s the start of it. It’s big business
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Yes it’s a no brained. But like I said the red pill label would have to go and be replaced with something slicker.
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Give me time to get a few more unicorns under my belt and this is me ;)
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Nowhere did I say most submissives were women. Look in the comments where I (and women) bemoan the vast hordes of submissive men.
Please don't strawman my argument.
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The Cosmo article was not about women in the community.
And please enlighten us as to why women in the BDSM community are so damaged or mentally ill such that their preference for submission to men cannot be extrapolated onto the population at large as a discussion point.
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