If AF/BB exists them why are women having sex with tons of guys who are not alpha?

wtknight · 2020-02-27T18:10:44+00:00

All that being alpha means for a guy is that he is attractive enough that a woman wants to have sex with him. Beta traits are provisioning traits. There are lots of alpha/beta mix guys out there who can have sex, but also lots of mostly clueless beta guys who have no clue about how to attract women.

PhenomDaLord · 2020-02-27T18:16:27+00:00

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NockerJoe · 2020-02-27T18:46:27+00:00

Finding his job cool is status. You're confusing status for wealth and authority rather than what it actually means in this context, which is that girls find his lifestyle exciting.

2020-02-27T22:02:24+00:00

a skinny average looking guy

You're probably just bad at evaluating other men's looks, like 99% of straight guys.

mechanical_elves · 2020-02-27T18:38:52+00:00

met a club promoter... I have a lot of game I can tell his game is average to below average.

This doesn't add up. A high women:men ratio means money for the club. He is a club promoter, so it's his job to bring attractive/fun women into the club. Which means he needs to be very likable and able to have fun, memorable interactions with women and get them in the door. The same set of skills you use to get women to fuck you.

Your evaluation of his game is probably way off. He could probably steal your girl if he wanted to.

SherbertBacon · 2020-02-27T22:23:07+00:00

Do you think is AF/BB a strategy for men to rationalize their lack of success?

I think the whole paradigm is silly. Every guy falls somewhere in between those two categories, so ultimately "Alpha" is just a term for (generally) superficially sexually attractive traits and "Beta" is just a term for (generally) superficially commitment attractive traits. It was clearly created by men who don't understand selection bias. Not only are these collection of traits not universally applicable to women, they're sometimes repulsive or interchangeable.

Most entertaining of all, you have "AB and BF," which some of these armchair manosphere experts insist is real and more nuanced (to cover the situation I said above) and wannabe B-grade military action movie heroes who insist "AB" isn't real because it's not alpha enough. Despite the alleged simplicity of AF/BB, it's pretty clear people within the group who use it can't get to any coherent consensus on the matter and my guess is because it's just a nonsensical reductionist view of sexuality and dating.

jigglypuff__0 · 2020-02-28T00:52:41+00:00

Every average dude who gets sex will be called an Alpha in some way by incels who cannot grasp the fact that average men with “beta” tendencies get sex too.

“He’s ugly But he has a cool tattoo!”

“He’s poor but he’s blonde!”

“He is 5’1 but his job is mysterious! That’s why he gets sex!!!”

Men are alpha and beta when it suits the incel argument.

mgtowalternate · 2020-02-27T18:17:29+00:00

AFBB is just something incels/ RPers tell themselves to feel not commit sepukku. If if does exists, it’s more like 5% of guys don’t need much effort to get laid, 15% of guys are genuine incels who’ve set their standards too high, and the rest can get a few partners in their lifetime if the look. Note that the only man you see talking about this stuff is a ugly fuck who cant get laid and thus fools himself into believing this world view

Emervila · 2020-02-27T19:34:14+00:00

club promoter

game below avg

skinny average looking

Money... AF/BB confirmed one more time...

Remove that job and he is one more incel

blackedoutfast · 2020-02-27T21:55:31+00:00

For instance, I recently met a club promoter, a skinny average looking guy who is getting laid every weekend simply because girls find his job cool.

"i can get you a table and/or cocaine" game is a subset of beta bucks strategy.

no one is saying that you can't use BB to get laid. but when chicks fuck BB guys it's not because they are sexually attracted to them, it's because they trying to extract resources from him. getting laid is contingent on you giving resources (money, drugs, fame, etc) to the girl.

and if you're willing to exchange resources for sex, it would be much more efficient to just hire an escort. your club promoter buddy could have better sex with hotter girls for cheaper if he just paid them.

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1amtheSpoon · 2020-02-27T18:29:33+00:00

It sounds like you don't fully understand what makes a man alpha yet. Once you do this scenario will fall right into place for you.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2020-02-27T18:44:22+00:00

TIL money/status is genetic. Well I guess it's genetic, since most people with it had mommy and daddy to prop/lift them up into position to get it.

2020-02-27T19:10:20+00:00

Club promoter is almost as good as DJ for getting women.

Its a valid choice for a job when younger. But have your fingers in other pies, it does not last forever.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-02-27T19:38:28+00:00

... th...they're not?

LittyKitsune · 2020-02-28T04:47:31+00:00

Because we can conveniently redefine alpha to cover whoever's getting laid enthusiastically in any given context.

MrHerbSherman · 2020-02-28T18:18:22+00:00

I don’t think you understand AFBB

Promoter is typically high status and solid game

Xemnas81 · 2020-02-27T19:24:16+00:00

You confused blackpill with redpill

reluctantly_red · 2020-02-27T20:57:51+00:00

Who women find attractive isn't based solely on looks. Looks matter but they're not everything. A cool job is attractive.

wtknight · 2020-02-27T22:36:12+00:00

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LeJacquelope · 2020-02-28T03:27:56+00:00

Oh come on. Women fuck tons of guys who aren't alpha because most women cannot reasonably get an alpha male. Alphas, by definition, only make up 10-20% of men. As men improve, the standard for alpha races ahead, it's like catching a rainbow. A woman fucks a beta when she knows she either cannot get an alpha or realizes that all she's going to get is pumped and dumped by an alpha and her chances of a terrible ending are less with a beta.

Betas get laid, but not because they are her first choice. Beta males are almost never a woman's first choice.

2020-02-28T06:55:50+00:00

I just find it funny that you're talking about how this guy you met recently has poor game. Like are you that close friends already? I'm just imagining he trying to pick up women and you watching him while being near enough to hear what he's saying and I couldn't help but laugh.

Sepean · 2020-02-28T09:27:07+00:00

say that all the matters are looks and genetics, therefore, guys with good genetics will always be successful since this outcome has already been predetermined.

Looks is say 20% of it, frame and game is way more important.

You got yourself a strawman here.

Do you think is AF/BB a strategy for men to rationalize their lack of success?

Huh? All the plate spinners say AF/BB, you think they lack success?

BioStu · 2020-02-28T11:42:04+00:00

Not all women are attractive and some have to take what they can get

2020-02-28T13:48:11+00:00

Lol you just proved AF/BB in your post.

Alpha does NOT equal best looking or even genetically gifted. Can be correlated sure, it’s the hierarchy in the time and place

For example at a bar the musician on stage likely is a broke deadbeat but at that time and place he has more value than anyone in that bar. Sure outside of the moment on a Tuesday the woman will prefer the stable and secure guy, but women (and people) don’t think that way.

Similarly, a club promoter is a perfect example of alpha fucks. Some guy that has a job worth dick in terms of money but has high status and therefore gets women easily

Read up on AF/BB more. You’re way off on your assumptions

SeemedGood · 2020-02-28T21:52:25+00:00

...because women trade access to sex for the provision of relationship utility (commonly referred to as “bux” but not necessarily strictly financial utility), and will therefore have sex with men to whom they are not necessarily actively sexually attracted but with whom they are sexually permissive because they value the utility that such men offer (financial, emotional, or otherwise).

762Rifleman · 2020-02-29T17:33:35+00:00

Because Red Pill and its precepts are bullshit angry guys tell themselves to avoid reflecting on the real reasons they fail to succeed at romance.

SDW137 · 2020-02-29T18:29:41+00:00

Just because you don't think that they're "alpha" doesn't mean that they're not alpha.

PMShine1 · 2020-02-27T23:16:51+00:00

Because AFBB isn't a thing.

Title	If AF/BB exists them why are women having sex with tons of guys who are not alpha?
Author	Kratz177
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Date	February 27, 2020 5:59 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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