Water fasting for High SMV

Black_m0ngoose · 2018-04-10T05:14:25+00:00

As a frequent practitioner of 72 hour fasts, a weightlifter, a martial artist, and a loose follower of the Wim Hof method- the hamstering in this thread is beyond anything I've ever seen.

Diet, only beneath sleep, is the single biggest factor that separates the men from the boys.

If you cannot control what you put in your fucking mouth, everything suffers.

You are what you eat- eat garbage and you're simply trash.

The folly of today's man is the easy access of food. Your body and mind are not separate entities- your mental faculties live and die by your ability control what you eat and when you eat it.

If you cannot delay gratification, especially in regards to food, you're bluepill- it's that simple.

Muthafuckas just can't face facts. Keep being fatties that can't break 20% body fat. Pathetic.

tinydickbigballs · 2018-04-08T23:53:27+00:00

I can get behind some fasting protocols or intermittent fasting but this is just illogical. Yes fasts will make you look leaner, but if you're not eating for 72 hours your body is not being fueled and your physique and gym performance are going to suffer.

Unless you are an extremely knowledgable and experienced bodybuilder prepping for a show I would not encourage people to follow this advice.

zealanderx · 2018-04-09T17:10:49+00:00

A lot of people think this approach is stupid OP-

But to these folks I would say this,

The human body evolved over a huge expanse of time to be exceptionally effecient at processing a fasted state. Primal man didn't always have food. We are designed to handle that.

Now this society we live in, everybody eats 3 fucking meals a day. Every. Single Day. THAT IS MADNESS! And gross... every single day just more and more shit on top of shit in the guts. Sometimes, you need to clear your guts of shit.

It's well documented that in a state of fast, when the body searches the nooks and crannies of your physique to find energy that you will use up sources of energy that are not typically accessed... you can clear a lot of the junk out of your system this way. It's good for the brain too.

I would say not only a good idea, a critical aspect of a truly healthy body. I strongly suggest juice intake to keep your mind right while you do this, I've never done 0 cal for more than 18 hours that's intense.

sendek888 · 2018-04-08T23:41:29+00:00

you should post a psyque picture and blur your face out

might start internittent fasting or “eat stop eat” where you do a 24 hour fast twice a week

asked this trainer at my gym yesterday what body fat % he thought i was at and he said 12% not sure if that’s lean or not i’m natty too

i did intermettent fasting one day last week(did the 8 hour feeding window) i felt better and looked leaner in the morning but i eat a lot of snacks during the night when i wake up so idk how ima do it

so not sure if a 24 hour fast just twice a week would be easier since i like to eat snacks during the night

FilthMonger85 · 2018-04-09T10:53:57+00:00

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Taipanshimshon · 2018-04-09T15:05:09+00:00

Ya'll a bunch of haters on here.

mallardcove · 2018-04-09T16:08:47+00:00

Good post likely being downvoted by fat hamsters.

When in cutting phases I do 48-72 hour water fasts all the time.

Good way to teach yourself discipline. A 24 hour fast is nothing when you have done 72 hour fasts regularly.

Orbiter45 · 2018-04-09T09:18:11+00:00

While 72 hours of water only is extreme. I can testify that their is some truth to this.

I work in a foundry, 12 hour shifts. I spend about a third my time in extreme heat. In the summers, I end up drinking over a gallon of water a work day. By the end of the summer, I'm exhausted, but they'll cycle in some one else for a week, and I feel great.

All that water flushes your system.

SocialJusticeWhiner · 2018-04-09T15:25:31+00:00

When in human history have human beings never missed a meal like today? If you look at the longest living groups of people all of them share one thing, there is a period of time where they don't have enough food to eat and they're either seriously restricting calories, or not eating at all. Your body NEEDS periods of time where you don't eat. 70% of your body energy goes towards moving your food through your digestive tract but when you're fasting that energy is focused inward, and it allows the digestive tract to repair itself which makes it more effective when you eat again. This allows the body in its wisdom to break down and heal fucked up things first and purge itself of toxins. Prepare to feel like shit for your first 72 hours.

I'm not as big of a fan of water fasts because a juice fast correctly executed gives you the benefits of high density nutrients in vegetables but water fasts are really beneficial if you have allergies, food intolerances, or you don't have access to a juicer (not a blender that leaves fiber in your drink keeping your digestive system working). Additionally if you want a fast to go deeper, fast for at least a week, because the body works in week long cycles. Additionally juices should be consumed between 7-9 AM and 3-5 PM. 7-9 AM is the point in your circadian rhythm when your digestive tract begins to turn on and 3-5 PM is when there is still a decent amount of blood left in your digestive system. If it gets after 7 then just wait to have juice that next day. Produce should be mostly organic vegetables no more than 5-7 different kind. There are plenty of books covering what to juice for what. The Europeans in particular the Swiss/Germans/Austrians (Gerson, Alfred Vogel) know the most about fasting for health. Most of the stuff you'll read on it today is bullshit which leads to the attitudes of many of the commenters.

If you want to augment the effects of the fast then purge your digestive system the night before the fast with a 1/2 quart enema that's 1/2 chamomile tea, and 1/2 spring water with 1/2 a lemon (no seeds), hold it for 5-10 minutes then release. Let all ingredients cool to room/Luke warm temperature, DO NOT pour hot tea into your ass you fucking idiots. This allows the body to stop using energy cleaning out the digestive system before your fast ever begins, which gives you a longer period of time healing.

Good luck

Imarobot2 · 2018-04-09T17:12:51+00:00

Just intermittent fast. I think it's something like .3 grams of water are stored for every .1g of glycogen stored.

Preface a fast with 7 days of keto to deplete glycogen. Thereafter just intermittent fast as the glycogen stores resupppied during feeding will be deleted during the fast. You'd have to overeat a couple of days to get bloated.

I train 2x a day and have plenty of energy.

crimson_chris · 2018-04-13T21:09:54+00:00

People here don't know what they are talking about. I have been reading up on fasting for a year. It is safe for most people. Fasting is superior to reduced calorie as well. With no carbs your body goes into ketosis and mostly eats fat vs. muscle. You body also ups HGH production. My goal right now is to do 60 days of iterative day fasting (with OMAD on the days I eat). I am one week in and feeling great so far.

biglaughingcock · 2018-04-08T23:43:18+00:00

Women don't give a fuck whether you're 6% or 15% bodyfat. If you're strong people can tell. This shit screams insecurity.

TheProphetPhysiquiel · 2018-04-09T00:43:37+00:00

Yup. I retain water pretty hard, but carbs usually balance me out. On Thursdays or Fridays, I eat practically 0 carbs and really limit my water intake so I get some extra leanness for the weekend.

krazeesheet · 2018-04-09T03:24:09+00:00

Lemon water fasting is a great thing. Keep yourself purged.

Scandinavianredpill · 2018-04-09T05:27:52+00:00

The reason I stay at 10-12% bodyfat is because of how my face looks, it's alot more angular. When it comes to the other benefits from fasting they are really not overblown:

super easy to stay lean
You age alot better, you regenerate better (there is alot of mechanisms that have been uncovered in relation to this)

The downside is that it's a bit less anabolic. It will cost in muscle growth, but for me looking good is more important than hitting my genetic ceiling as fast as possible.

I can hit 150% body weight bench and 30 pullsups unweighted, but I wouldnt say I look big in a shirt unless it's sleeveless. You can tell that I work out and for all I care this is what women find attractive. also you have this look that you are very powerful for your size, your body composition screams that you are able to put out high force with the bodyweight you have.

amekooky · 2018-04-09T14:46:31+00:00

youre not gonna get short term results on a fast like this, yeah the weight scale will drop but aesthetically you wont change. if you want to elevate your smv i would recommend intermittent fasting, i do 23/1 right now so far 3 months, while preserving a good portion of muscle and dropping off alot of the fat.

MostSolidFrame · 2018-04-09T15:16:09+00:00

Hmmm, 72 hours? Not bashing you, OP, but I must admit I've never fasted that long. Longest I've done is 48 hours for spiritual purposes and that was highly challenging.

Lately I have been trying for 18-24 hour fasts on citrus/cranberry juices once per week.

drypumpkin20 · 2018-04-09T17:13:06+00:00

The Dudes over at MindPump have been on this fasting shit for some time. Didn't take it to heart until fucking John Meadows said he was all about it.

S-Blaze · 2018-04-09T22:24:45+00:00

You can also just cut out sugars except whole fruits and the fat will melt easily with gains. But yeah if you want a quick shred then fast.

drkinferno72 · 2018-04-10T00:06:15+00:00

Don't cut water too much, you will die

Thotwrecker · 2018-04-10T06:01:00+00:00

Alright, I'll bite.

I read about this Snake Diet on the website - what I'm seeing is a lot of sound stuff that I've personally seen enough evidence through leangains 16/8 style fasting to believe in some of it. But why is 48 hrs optimal or superior or necessary at all? That's an absurdly long fast and while I don't believe your muscles will cannibalize themselves, what is the benefit?

It's been proven you can stay lean on conventional meal planning or normal intermittent fasting, so what is the advantage of going over 24 hrs in your fast?

Also the dude sounds unbelievably autistic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCE2WtSefo

DeadliftRx · 2018-04-13T17:43:54+00:00

Fasting is great. I'm currently on a 7-day fast while abroad to get a really good cut in, and then I'll take three days at 2/3/4000 to refill my glycogen before I start lifting again on day 11, where I will return to my bulking regime.

Another alternative is to fast every other day, I used to do 36:18 and eat roughly 1.5x maintinance on my feed days, coupled with two 30-minute sessions of cardio, usually a fast walk at a 15° incline.

Does lifting suffer? Of course. Do you lose muscle mass? I haven't noticed. I hate cutting. I'd rather be miserable for a week and drop 7lbs of FAT than be on mild 500-calorie cut for 7 weeks.

empatheticapathetic · 2018-04-09T00:25:41+00:00

I'm stoned as fuck but this is a troll right?

whatsthisgarg · 2018-04-08T23:39:23+00:00

Lean is hard for most men and thats the exact reason why you should do it.

It's fun to watch cashiers get flustered in your presence and forget to charge you for stuff.

I can also tell you that it's perfectly fine to end the day with a few vodka and seltzers.

magx01 · 2018-04-09T05:47:57+00:00

Nice humblebrag disguised as a lesson. A lesson in something that has already been discussed to death btw.

Immune2DNP · 2018-04-08T23:38:10+00:00

I want to get shredded for the summer, I'm not fat (13%). I feel the issue with something like this (or getting down to single digits), is that when you try to do it naturally, your test/sex drive take a dip. My blood test results came back at 950+ test (HIGH) and don't want to risk it dipping unnecessarily. There are diminishing returns with trying to get shredded. Personally, I feel my sex drive drops off a cliff if I'm cutting hard and lifting heavy. How does the water fast influence your mood, sex drive, etc.? Do you have a full time job and still water fast for 72 hours? I'm curious to know, because I've looked into this before. The only type of fast I do is IF, which I love.

Brutal13 · 2018-04-09T15:07:43+00:00

When you're fasting your joints are under attack.

How do you maintain them?

SpiritualPicture · 2018-04-09T15:59:47+00:00

I see gymcels everyday at the gym that I absolutely mog and I'm not even super lean. How do I know I mog them? Because the girls all come and hang around me while the gymcels walk around like big stupid grunting gorillas. The only people they impress are each other. It's quite hilarious actually. Sometimes I have to be careful to contain my laughter lest I get my ass kicked. Most gymcels have no clue what women like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMT6nF80UQ

DoubleTappp · 2018-04-11T02:44:25+00:00

Ah Christ on a cracker, it's another one of these. I'll deal with these point by point.

-"lifts are decent". False; Your lifts are trash. 125% bench? No mention of a DL or Squat? Simple math here: 200lbs dude (which I'm certain you are not) = 250lbs bench. Wow, much heavy.

-"What is special is my bodyfat." Lol. No it's not; while you are saying 15% BF looks fat in clothes (which is ridiculous) you are conveniently forgetting that you most likely look like a DYEL bro with a t-shirt on. People seem to think that if they can't be "big" they will just say they are "aesthetic". No. You are just a skinny bitch.

-"Any weightlifter with 15%+ bf looks fat in clothes. Like a slob really." Bruuhhh... While I am totally in the camp of people being terrible at estimating their BF (because "taking a guess" is scientific in nature) saying that 15% is "a slob" is just as equally out of touch. I'll hit 15% on a bulk and just look fucking massive because I am giving my body everything that it needs and not starving it of nutrients and telling kids on the internet dumb shit.

-There is a method to water depletion. I have competed and had very detailed meal, prep, and peak week plans. Your method has very few positives and quite a few negatives. Simply put, it's fucking retarded.

The only answer you have now is show me is you at over 2 bills at ~10% BF. That's it. I know it won't happen, mainly because just reading this I know you are disillusioned about your own physique.

bluemoviebaz · 2018-04-11T14:36:49+00:00

Other than starving yourself. Running is by sure the fastest way to burning fat from my experience

unptitdej · 2018-04-13T22:20:22+00:00

Very interesting. I actually do "fast" but I don't really think about it. It's all instinct. I am 210 lbs and 16% bodyfat right now at 6'3 and I am now at the point where I don't need to eat a lot to maintain my muscle. I just maintain my strength and size without much work. I eat a few pizzas when I want to bulk, and I can eat nothing when I want to concentrate on work or If I'm just too busy with studies or friends to plan my meals. So yea, what I want to say is that I believe in those fasts. I do think you can eat a little tho. If you get like 1000 calories of carbs during your low-eating days and you are still active (brain, walking, cardio), I think it still has tremendous benefits! Also, I just want to say that those days when I don't eat much, I'm very active and focused. It becomes a pretty great thing.

Redpillandrew · 2018-04-14T13:45:52+00:00

Question: how do you manage workouts while fasting? Say I wanna do 24h fasting... then, once over, I have to eat before going to the gym? or right after the workout? Thanks

truedemocracy3 · 2018-04-16T04:23:02+00:00

Oh fuck this advice. Seriously not drinking water to look a tad stronger and impress women? Fucking seriously? And who is the beta here? Christ.

PM-ME-YOUR-SEXTAPE · 2018-04-09T02:56:10+00:00

Dry fasting is where it’s at. Water fasts are for pussies

Entropy-7 · 2018-04-09T03:32:07+00:00

I am no expert and certainly not 12% body fat, but if I want to cut weight quickly and knock a few inches off my waist to look good in tight clothes, I do the exact opposite: ditch water for a day or two and use high energy density food like nuts to give me enough calories to get me through the day.

Those who are experts (pro body builders and fighters) do something similar because water is what adds a lot of unnecessary weight (at least in the short term).

A two day water-only fast in isolation might kill off a pound of fat depending on your BMR. The 6 litres of water I typically consume over two days weighs over 13 pounds.

As part of a training cycle, water fasting once a week has certain adherents but the OP said to go Google it rather than providing any information and insight right here.

throwlaca · 2018-04-08T23:42:31+00:00

How much you weight? Your rep numbers are easy to get if you are a shredded 55 kg wimp. If you have those numbers weighting 90kg, then it's different.

Also if you often go 72 hrs without water you will die at 35 from kidney disease.

[deleted] · 2018-04-09T22:23:39+00:00

i would do this if my body wasn't destroyed - also most people don't understand this - my parents thought i was literally unable to take care of my self for doing time restricted eating - got sec12'd- yes there were other factors but this is infuriating that they thought I didn't know what I was doing fuck them

TheDialecticParadox · 2018-04-09T01:24:22+00:00

Lol this is dumb as fuck. Train for performance and eat accordingly. Not to make random chicks wet. It screams insecurity and vanity.

There is no need to do scientific macro calculations, intermittent fasting, body fat scans, etc. Unless you are a professional/aspiring bber competing to attain the best physique.

Skinnynomore · 2018-04-09T17:26:22+00:00

This post is entirely useless

soulcatcher357 · 2018-04-09T18:36:34+00:00

I wouldn't recommend it, but getting food poisoning really bad and sick (103 fever) for 2 weeks not being able to eat anything but IV, jello dropped me from a fit 235 6'4 to 171 1% body fat. Seems like this would be an extreme of OP's in his diet.

monsieurhire2 · 2018-04-09T15:24:16+00:00

Yes, but what about your brain's need for nutrients, hmmmm???

anon35201 · 2018-04-09T00:29:11+00:00

Also don't fast more than 24 hours, (after 48 hours your body goes into famine mode, thinking next years harvest to be bad, you store every bit of food to adipose tissue from then on for the next 8 to 12 months).

this is why a lot of males are obese. They fast for a few days, then the week after, they're gaining a pound per day and the doofuses are like: "herp derp why am I gaining weight?"

It's just evolution and natural selection. Males who are designed for famine resilliance are being weeded out of the gene pool.

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