The story of a Beta-Christian boy, and the questions that still trouble me...

pyrrhic_victor · 2016-08-16T16:18:00+00:00

You're confusing "Biblical Marriage" with "Marriage 2.0". They're completely different. You're being conned and suckered into a fraud.

Definition of Biblical Marriage: Man commits to providing resources to a woman in exchange for reproductive access. The woman can divorce the husband without fault, but at great social shame, does not get access to the ex-husbands resources, and the children stay with the father. The woman is doomed to poverty and prostitution.

Definition of Marriage 2.0: Man commits to providing resources to a woman. Woman can divorce the husband at any time for any reason. She will be praised and rewarded for her choice. She will receive custody of the children. She will receive the mans house. She will receive upward of 70% of the man's income for 18+ years. The power and might of the United States legal system and police/prison system will back her, and imprison her ex-husband at her whim.

It's a fraudulent and invalid contract.

From The Masculine Principle - Fraud of Modern Marriage

What was originally based on a woman “selling” a man the ability to have his own children and taking his surplus labour as “payment,” has become a woman having children of HER own and still taking a man’s surplus labour as “payment” for that which she is NOT selling. THAT IS FRAUD!

If you go to a car dealership and buy a shiny new car, you might sign on the dotted line and agree to make payments for the next five years, but it is implied in the contract that you own the car.

The dealership cannot decide 6 months later that they want the car back, show up at your house, and just take it. And certainly they cannot force you to make the next 54 payments on it if they take it away from you with no breach of contract on your part. It is your property and they have no right to it. To suggest otherwise would be to suggest you signed a fraudulent contract. To suggest that you would still have to pay for gas, maintenance, and insurance after they sell it to someone else because “it is in the best interests of the car” is to suggest an insanely fraudulent contract.

But this is what we are left with in the marriage contract.

FiftyWaysOfRape · 2016-08-15T21:58:11+00:00

Great post. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who think today's churches are BP as fuck.

Back to your virginity problem. Tim Tebow vowed sex after marriage and got dumped by Miss USA because of that. He doesn't compromise shit and lives in his own term, this is something we praise about. I think this is something women find that attractive from men.

Sexual strategy is amoral, figure out what works for you. Good luck

chaosmech · 2016-08-16T14:07:30+00:00

I'll speak of my own (very limited, mind you) experience.

I just got married 2 weeks ago. I am a Christian. My wife was a virgin (confirmed by more than just her word, mind you), is also intensely Christian, and was raised in a two-parent, Christian household. Went to a Christian college, surrounded by Christian friends, and had only one relationship prior to me, a long-term relationship she stayed in despite some emotional discord. In short, she's as close to a marriage-able woman as you can get. Still, there are no unicorns.

I had started reading TRP shortly before meeting her, and I've tried to keep Red Pill principles in mind and in practice throughout our entire relationship. I have a lot of progress to make, no question, but I'm glad to say I didn't start the relationship with total BP beta bullshit.

Throughout our relationship, we've discussed marriage. She subscribes to the original Biblical model of marriage, i.e. the husband is the head, the wife is to support & respect, in the understanding that marriages are far more happy and productive this way. She refuses to even consider the possibility of divorce, and was willing (when prompted) to sign a pre-nup that removes any "cash and prizes" from the one who initiates the divorce. Without hesitation, even. She is caring and respectful, and I've done my best to ensure that continues. But she's been submissive and willing to go where I want to lead the family.

In short, I had to do a lot of pre-screening. I know modern marriage is like playing Russian Roulette where 19 out of 20 chambers are loaded. I know the problems. I know the warning signs and red flags. And the only reason I married this woman is because she exhibited far, far more positive traits than negative ones.

Could things change? Certainly. Could she become resentful, disrespectful, and shitty? Absolutely. Will she forever be an attractive and submissive wife? Probably not forever. But knowing TRP principles and putting them into practice will help to keep this marriage on track, I believe. Be on the watch for beta traits emerging in yourself and you can nip such things in the bud, if you have chosen the right woman.

In short, you can work within the rules of Christianity and be married while not being a beta cuck. But you have to find the right kind of woman and that, as we note here on TRP, is increasingly difficult. I lucked out, it seems, but that doesn't mean my job is ever done. A man's work is never done. Is it worth it? I say it is, for now at least. I may eat my words later on, but keeping God's commands for my life is important to me. The waiting and the pre-screening are definitely worth that.

Good luck, my brother. There is a long road ahead of you.

TL;DR- a Christian, RP marriage is possible in the modern day. But it's very rare, and you have to do a ton of pre-screening. And remember, no matter who you date/marry, AWALT. Your job is to take away her incentive to behave like that.

educatethis · 2016-08-15T20:57:36+00:00

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OK, I'll take a stab at this. I am a Christian and I have a background to justify waxing philosophic on religion, though due to doxxing concerns I won't post that background on a general thread. Keep in mind my answer is a mix of RP and Christian reductionist thought. It isn't strictly RP and wouldn't be accepted by most "Christians."

First things first, according to the Bible, God didn't create the secular institution of marriage. Re-read Genesis, you see nothing about "marriage" just that so and so took a wife. He created the mechanism(s) by which men and women come together--think pair bonding. So, you can't exactly say God forbids sex outside of marriage--he doesn't. He expects sex within the bounds of his design.

This is completely in line with the teachings of the New Testament. When asked about marriage in the afterlife, Jesus replied there would be no need for marriage in the idealized state of Heaven. Think about that. In God's perfect state there would be no need for marriage. (To be sure, most of his contemporaries would assume this also means no sex, but that isn't explicit.) He then is later asked about marriage. This passage, as recounted in Matthew is usually the Christians go to passage for the rules on marriage, but read it carefully. First, Jesus couches his response in "You say" and "Moses allowed." He doesn't ever directly quote God only what others may have said God said. His analysis then shows how applying marriage/divorce laws is a cluster fuck. Anyone who doubts that interpretation only needs to read the next sentences wherein the disciples basically say to Jesus, "It would then be best not to marry at all." He doesn't contradict them. Instead, he basically says anyone who tried to follow those rules will be a "eunuch." Eunuchs have no need of marriage. He is destroying the argument against legal marriage--but not necessarily sex if you think he's using the term eunuch in a disparaging manner. He's saying it's bad to be married but it's also arguable he's saying it's just as bad to be celibate. After all, God created sex and pair bonding, he did not create the legal institution of marriage.

This is consistent with the teachings of Paul (who wrote most of the new testament) who said marriage is not wrong, but it is best not to be married. He went further and advised if you are able you should resist marriage. This again counters any argument marriage is the work of God. Paul would NEVER have advised anyone to resist the will of God. Paul clearly believed that marriage was of man, and not God. Paul further said if you do get married, only get married because you are burning for passion for the other (passion being more of God than was marriage). So gain, we see that sex itself is not bad. To be sure, most people have understood this as meaning: being celibate is best, but if you can't be celibate then, and only then, should you get married. But that's not what Paul says. He never ties sex to marriage, only marriage to extreme desire. To be sure Paul, and other NT writers do give a lot of instruction to married individuals, but that's arguably because marriage was more or less non negotiable in that world. Most of their audience would have been married so something as all encompassing as the Gospel would need to deal quite a bit with something as pervasive as marriage. But that doesn't mean marriage was a command.

Back to God and his plan. He created the mechanism whereby men and women will come together and bond and create a family. Remember, Abraham was chosen out of all the men on the earth to be the father of God's people and why? Because although he was from the cities he left them and their ways to live a pastoral life dependent only upon himself, his family/clan, nature and God. And how was he to be the father? Through his fertility. This explains why/how the women are treated as they are in the Torah. They never have the status of men, but not Adam, nor Abraham, nor Isaac, nor Jacob, nor even Moses, were ever chastised for listening and heading the advice of their women. They all suffered, however, when listening to women caused them to cease listening to God. And everyone one of those "Godly" men fell to that particular danger. In the Old Testament women are a very important part of life, they are also a man's greatest threat to his following God. The only solution ever offered was to make sure that as a man, God is your first priority even to the exclusion of women--though exclusion is an extreme remedy which is allowed but never advised.

All that leads me to my answer. Sex is not bad. Marriage is not required. Sex is not confined solely to marriage. Sex is confined to God's "natural laws." These "natural laws" are the the laws that will lead us to God and strengthen our faith in him and help contribute to our full lives as the men God intended. The Christian God is NOT the God of restrictions he is the God of full life. All of this is just as true when it comes to women.

Women, and our relationship with women and how we treat them should all feed into our relationship with God and our identities as Godly men. If those relationships are not doing that, then they are wrong, but only for that reason. If you don't know if they are feeding or hindering such status, then your problem is with a lack of understanding and knowing God. God should always be priority 1 for Christians. If your treatment of women is nothing more than a glorification of the self, or a means of fulfillment other than as God has provided for, that is problematic.

The best summation I can provide is as follows. Sex is likely a mechanism for pair bonding for both sexes--though the mechanics are different for each. This draws men and women together to establish special, maybe unique maybe not, relationships which act as the foundation of the family. If you aren't using sex for this, what are you using it for? However, having had sex with a women does not obligate you to anything. I can't imaging God saying, " In your moment of weakness you paid for and had sex with that prostitute so now you must be devoted to her." Neither of you ever expected it and it would be a farce to think otherwise. I don't think it is much different if you find yourself with a woman who won't/can't pair bond or who interferes with your pursuit of God. You don't owe her anything. This isn't the same as saying, though, it's OK to pump and dump the young naive who thinks you're really into having something with her. God intends men to lead women, not mislead or abuse them. But he also doesn't intend to bind men to ungodly women or otherwise keep them in a situation which prevents them from making God priority number 1. All this to say, you don't owe a women you sleep with anything, but sex is a tool and how you use it determines your likely results. (And never forget, women will likely be the greatest threat to your relationship with God.)

Keep in mind, God is a forgiving God, more than a judgmental one. Christ's parables include the parable wherein the master punishes the servant because he is too fearful to risk what he has been given so he had done nothing with his allotment. Pursue God, this means pursuing life-remember King David, the warrior, the lover the poet, was a man after God's own heart-without fear. You will make mistakes. That's ok so long as failing to make God priority number 1 isn't the mistake.

P.S. Anyone feel free to PM for further clarification or other such questions.

codene15 · 2016-08-15T20:37:07+00:00

Biblical marriage is red pill to the core. The bible says it, the churches change it to blue pill Vick stuff. Look at all the great role models of the New Testament. Jesus, Paul, all the disciples, ect. None married

stay_anon_stay_safe · 2016-08-15T21:21:34+00:00

I really feel for you Christian RP'ers. I was raised in a Pentecostal family. Sexuality is only awkward from a religious angle today because it's being coupled with the modern idea of being much older when you marry and start a family. It wasn't always that way. It used to be normal to get married at like 15-18 and start popping out kids ASAP. That is when our bodies are ready to begin this stuff. Modern western society has created an environment that encourages people to hold off on progressing into adulthood. It gets you used to childish living and mindless consumption then expects you to stop all of that when you get a few years older to "settle down". It's retarded.

[deleted] · 2016-08-16T00:34:21+00:00

Religion is extremely malleable by nature to the point that a RP guy and a BP guy could pull bible quotes out left and right to support their views. Marriage is whatever you make it.

Since we're on the topic; my favorite bible quote:

"I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly." -1 Timothy 2:12

FriedHayek · 2016-08-15T22:07:02+00:00

Marriage in the Church is more fucked up than marriage outside the Church due to Churches pandering to women.

You're not in a church if your church is pandering to women. Leave that heresy or tell the head of the thing that it's a fucking nest of vipers. Sarah compared Abraham to Lord, and if a wife doesn't, she needs to confess her sin of rebelion.

Jeanwulf · 2016-08-15T19:59:04+00:00

(And of course your excellent vent was downvoted by the anti"cuck" majority.

Sacrifice is absolutely manly guys. Just only do it for things YOU BELIEVE IN.

PaulMurrayCbr · 2016-08-16T09:20:24+00:00

I stopped believing in God when I was about 30. But I remember most of it. I'll point out a couple of things.

1 - the bible clearly, clearly states that divorced women are not to remarry. If your church performs marriages for divorced women and/or has remarried women in it, then it is not from God. A divorced woman who remarries is living in adultery, and will go to hell for her unconfessed and unrepented-of sin. Pastors that fail to forbid this sin will got to hell for preaching a false gospel.

2 - Plenty in the bible about adultery, aka sex with another man's wife. Oh, there's some stuff about being "pure", but it's all down to interpretation - it's not a simple prohibition. The only stuff the bible explicitly forbids is sex with another man's wife, gay sex, banging your mother or sister, and doing it with animals. There's not actually anything in there explicitly forbidding sex with prostitutes, is what I am saying. Arguably, an unmarried woman who has sex with men has chosen to make a whore of herself, so that's ok.

GayLubeOil · 2016-08-15T23:29:43+00:00

You need to learn how to Jew your way around the Bible so you can do what you want while still observing your religion.

Premarital sex is Anti Christian. However Marriage is a holy union between a man and a woman untill death. Because it's impossible to secure such a contract in perpetuity as a result of modern divorce laws, it is impossible to get married in the traditional biblical sence

Therefore the sex you are having is not premarital because marriage doesn't exist.

Problem solved.

GnomeSkill · 2016-08-15T20:52:27+00:00

I was in your boat man but I had found "god's perfect women for me". I was with her for 6 years and was engaged and everything. Just got a house and had plans to have kids not that long after marriage. Luckily I had a close friend point out how miserable my life actually was, and he was right deep down I was dealing with tons of depression problems and feelings of not being complete like a lot of christian men that have been fed the modern christian fantasy. Then like you I found this site, made tons of changes, dropped my baggage of a fiance and life has never been better.

I suggest everyone read " No more Mr.Nice guy" when they first start out here. It definitely helps with confronting your problems.

yayogghost · 2016-08-16T09:57:34+00:00

This is the most encouraging post here Ive read so far.

Jeanwulf · 2016-08-15T19:56:02+00:00

FUCKING YES

FINALLY A FELLOW CHRISTIAN WHO IS ON HERE WHO HAS SIMILAR PROBLEMS.

The Church is failing men at the moment in NZ too. Mn are supposed to be DOING STUFF not singing songs constantly and sitting down generally listening to a generic sermon.

The disciples and Early Church didnt fuck around. They evangelized and fought lies and went out into danger zones. Got killed. Sent more missionaries. Converted the city that was killing them. Built more permanent church. Then sent letters of reprimand to the church if they heard them abusing or misleading the Word.

As for women, God will provide (yes i know its a bit of a platitude) though eventually. Dunno hiw in this modern society though. I too struggle with porn (though my prayers for regaining innocent mind helps), remember the Sermon on the Mount: our thouhts can be sins too.

However always remember the murderer on the cross who was saved by Jesus when he simply expressed belief. No sin is too great. Keep on the fight. You can only lose if you stop believing not if you sin. Sin doesnt matter provided you are trying to follow Christ.

johngalt1234 · 2016-08-16T06:12:31+00:00

''Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.''

1 Corinthians 16:13 ESV

Part of being Christian is being manly an imperative from scripture itself.

Later translations due to feminist translation don't have "act like men":

http://www.bible-researcher.com/cbmw.niv2011.2.pdf

The attack on masculinity even in distorting translation.

johngalt1234 · 2016-08-16T06:09:57+00:00

''Marriage in the Church is more fucked up than marriage outside the Church due to Churches pandering to women.''

Cucks they are. Christian in all but name.

aznredpill · 2016-08-16T02:31:56+00:00

Let's be upfront. Atheist here.

But. I'm not gonna say u should stop being Christian. I used to be like that. But now I've lived life enough to know that religion exists for a reason. As long as you have your reasons, by all means, go ahead.

I just want you to know that TRP is not the only red pill.

Wait til you swallow the other red pills about false flags, the banking cartel, and more.

The world is really fucking raw man

introspect2314 · 2016-08-20T06:02:06+00:00

The greatest benefit I have found in studying the bible recently is discovering a biblical affirmation of natural law, of the things we talk about all the time in TRP. Natural law is defined in the earliest verses of Genesis and continues all the way until the very end.

Some men in TRP subscribe to meditation as their means of gaining introspection and clarity in life. In recent times I have found great discernment in attending traditional latin masses of the Catholic Church, an organization that is admittedly wrought with blue pill leaders and blue pill seminary schools that seek out blue pill men in many dioceses (regions) in the U.S.

The TLM's deep historical roots elucidate and allow for the recognition and acceptance of God's natural law. For example, the TLM mass is offered only by men. Contrarily, the "new mass" of the Catholic Church, developed in the post-Vatican II world, allows women to essentially run local churches, with the exception of the priests whom must still be male.

To the OP, I would encourage you to read the bible and become acquainted with its history. It is a deep source of enlightenment when the BP filters of the modern world aren't distorting it.

Rhunta · 2016-08-16T12:54:21+00:00

I would really like to talk with a lot more RP Christian. In my church you don't have people with the open mindset. Even if I qoute bible text that is against their view they won't take it.

I struggle with the same problems too. I want to stay pure, because I want a pure wife. My consciousness will doesn't allow me to be hypocrite. Somedays I am thinking if it is worth if I have a pure wife.

HeadingRed · 2016-08-16T15:53:21+00:00

Part of your internal conflict may come from the need to suspend critical thinking and skepticism in order to sincerely embrace your faith. If I told you that if you would believe in something and by beliving in it at a later date you would get a very large finanical reward (I can't tell you when or what it will be, but trust me) you would think me a con artist. And you would be right to do so- I'm asking you to believe in something that science tells us is highly unlikely and cannot be proven while telling you the reward will come much later on.

Reading TRP and having many of those ideas in my head pre-TRP I have observed that many who are willing to see the world through a rational fact and evidence based lens often cannot do the same for themselves. If you are looking to Christianity as a philisophical touchpoint for yourself I believe there is some value there. If you think the philosophical and moral framework is created by and maintained by an invisible all-powerful being you might want to ask why you trust your intellect and senses as you observe the world (and people) around you but decide not to do so when it comes to your faith.

Yes I am not a person of faith. No, I'm not one of those walking around with a "debate me!" t-shirt on. Just ask yourself do I apply critical thinking to my whole life or just areas that I am comfortable enough to allow myself to have my older beliefs challenged.

drubago · 2016-08-16T07:26:14+00:00

TRP is about opening your mind to social-sexual dynamics, but there ought to be other kinds of "red pills" and one of them has to do with religion, which is all culturally based. If you don't agree, ask yourself why OP is so preoccupied with Christianity. After all, that's just one religion among many. Christianity is what they believe in his neck of the woods. Open your eyes to the world. People following other religions don't give a shit about Christianity, and why would they, it's foreign to them.

johngalt1234 · 2016-08-16T06:14:07+00:00

dalrock.wordpress.com

covers all the problems you are talking about happening in your church.

pcadrian · 2016-08-17T16:25:36+00:00

OP, if you get married but don't have experience with women, it WILL all blow up in your face no matter how much of a unicorn you find. Why? Because AWALT, and if you aren't a strong dominant leader in your relationships, guess what - all the horror stories you read on here will happen.

You're a virgin? It's time for you to get rid of this blue pill conditioning that sex should only happen within marriage. That part of the Bible was meant for women. You are a man. Start getting experienced. And don't get married or settle in a LTR until you've slept with at least 15 women, spun plates, know how to handle the female emotional shit storms that you will encounter throughout your love life.

I am not suggesting sex because red pill blablabla. NO. You need to know what you are doing in bed 100%. You need to be a sex God. You need to learn how to overcome female emotion, how to channel it in your favour because she doesn't know how, she just reacts as a woman would. Understand that without the experience, you are going to fail so bad you won't know what hit you. So start failing in short term relationships now, learn from those mistakes, before you even consider settling and tying the knot.

Don't believe me? Head over to RedPillWomen right now, and read the post titled Embarrassing - advice needed - look how this special unicorn feels on the inside because her man couldn't fuck her properly. And keep in mind, this is a woman reading RPW, so she is likely high value, relationship worthy. But look at how she feels about her man, who originally she describes as we have great chemistry, he is driven and passionate, he makes me laugh a lot and makes me feel light and feminine.

That's YOU right now, the driven passionate man. But you have no experience. You need to get experienced so you can become the fucking king in and out of the bedroom. Women need you to ROCK THEIR WORLD. So shake off this blue pill nonsense of sex after marriage, and get to work playa!

And another bitter red pill for you - all these unicorn Christian gals who are saving themselves for marriage.... I've been with a super religious virgin gal once, guess what she was in my bed the third date, no she wanted to keep virginity, but she gave me a blowjob and in return I gave her a nice pearl necklace as a souvenir. How's that for a unicorn! She is dating someone else now but is probably telling her nice boyfriend that she is a virgin and wants to wait till marriage. And he's probably too stupid to make any moves because he doesn't want to offend her! HA!

Time to internalize the universal truth about all women: they LOVE sex and they want to be dominated by a man. You need to rock her world. With your cock. So start learning NOW.

TheSebitti · 2016-08-16T16:29:47+00:00

Am I the only atheist in this sub Reddit?

Bonesteel50 · 2016-08-16T13:23:48+00:00

The bible is about as factual as the women are amazing meme you used to believe. The bible is IMO a book with plenty of wisdom of the ancients, but the whole god part is us explaining why we exist to people who don't have any alternative ideas.

cashcow1 · 2016-08-16T13:31:55+00:00

Start by going to a church that teaches the Bible, not Churchianity. That means men are the leaders in their home, and anyone who initiates divorce (except for adultery) gets excommunicated.

If your church is teaching female leadership (this is what egalitarianism or fake complimentarianism ends up as), or assumes men are always at fault, your marriage will be hopeless.

the_red_monk · 2016-08-16T15:48:46+00:00

There are a few RP christian women out there although my guess is they are rare. I dated a few in my pre-RP days. There is one in particular who stands out to me now that I think back on it as being the perfect example of a woman who was pretty old-school christian in her beliefs and wanted a marriage as described in the bible. She was probably about as RP Christian as they come. She was devout Catholic for what it's worth. As you might guess we didn't make it very far. I wasn't willing to become Catholic and she was looking for a Catholic man. So, if that's what you're looking for, they're out there, but they're rare. RP principles still apply however.

I can't fault a man for his religious convictions. However, how many of us really believe that Mary was a virgin? It makes for a great story, yes, but quite possibly she pulled a brilliant con on Joseph her beta provider. I mean, if we've learned anything here it's that AWALT. Right? Think about it.

The bible and it's teachings are a product of a different time in history. The kind of marriage a man could expect back then is not the kind of marriage a man can expect today. If religion hopes to stay relevant it needs to keep up.

Your eyes are opened. Consider yourself lucky. You may have to open your eyes further though and see even religious teaching for what it is. I'm not religious, so you can take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

It seems to me that you are taking some of the teachings of the bible literally, i.e. no sex before marriage, without considering it in the context from which it came. Quite of bit of the bible is self-contradictory and irrelevant in our time; especially if taken literally. Why take this one thing literally but disregard quite a bit of the other stuff the bible teaches?

I don't think any of this was meant to be taken literally. They're merely guidelines. Do with this what you will. Only you can know what's right for you and so you are allowed to re-interpret the bible as you see fit. If what you truly want is an RP marriage with an RP woman than it's your duty to create the conditions for that for yourself. Yes, it's not common, but completely possible. And it's on you to make it happen.

Gawernator · 2016-08-16T15:52:19+00:00

I'm glad you posted this. Many on here are decidedly non religious or even anti-religion. However, there is no reason you cannot live as a Christian man in a red pill world. They are not mutually exclusive.

Darknight1420 · 2016-08-16T17:16:17+00:00

My orthodox girlfriend refuses to have sex because of her faith hence I've been banging two other plates. Can you tell me what exactly is the Bible's stance on premarital sex?

demeck · 2016-08-16T18:13:25+00:00

I'm a Christian man who is married. I've described to this blog in the past my experiences with the red pill, after nearly watching my marriage fall apart. I was able to save my marriage after swallowing the red pill.

I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the RP nature of the testament, and the butchering of it by the modern church. It's for that reason that I can't help but think it unlikely that RP scriptures would leave you without a solution to you current dilemma.

I've read through some of the responses below, can't say I've seen much that resonated with me. Instead of giving you platitudes, perhaps you should do some research into new testament teachings regarding sex before and after marriage, with a RP mindset. U might be surprise by what you find.

OneLifeSucks · 2016-08-16T23:22:10+00:00

Trust me bro I feel you. I was raised conservative Christian and spent 5 years with the same good girl virgin chick (Granted was a HB8) who I waited 2 years to have sex with (She initially wanted to wait till marriage). Now, I did cheat quite alot, which I don't condone, but even then I still beat myself for having missed out on many more opportunities with hotter chicks due to me trying to be her good Christian man and subsequently developing one-itis. Today I'm not religious but I respect your faith.

My advice would be to look for a chick that fits old testament style ideas on marriage. Even then though you gotta watch it. If you don't think hoes were trifling even in the old testament you need to read what Rebecca did to Isaac during the man's final years in order to ensure Jacob got all the inheritance. But basically the closest thing you can find to a unicorn is a strong Christian girl who you know won't cheat and will be loyal, cook and clean daily and raise the kids right. Even my dad, who is pretty alpha, has told me that I shouldn't have let ole girl go. Good luck in your particularly complicated journey brother.

the_cheesiest · 2016-08-16T02:07:14+00:00

OP, I feel your pain.

I was a good little Christian beta-boy until a few months ago. I was 23, single, (never went on a date or kissed a girl) waiting for my little angel to appear so we could happily live a married life.

However, I just like, you discovered TRP and it upended my worldview. I understood that most of scripture/the Christian life is RP based, but I was having trouble reconciling sex outside of marriage.

It is still something that I need to think and pray about, but my mind is 99% made up. Sex outside of marriage is fine, as long as you are not abusing sex or using it to be selfish or manipulate women to bust a nut.

I don't have time to write a lot of my thoughts down, but I will point you to three resources:

https://therationalmale.com/2013/06/26/you-need-sex/ (the comments especially)

http://www.thechristianleftblog.org/blog-home/premarital-sex-is-it-a-sin-or-not

http://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1603&context=etd

Pray and let God guide your heart, my friend. May the winds of life lead you to beautiful shores.

P.S. Also, lifting, reading, meditating, and starting/staying on NoFap are essentials.

zintarweb · 2016-08-15T22:28:56+00:00

Considering the success rate of the average joe on tinder, you sound like you're doing well/ on your way.

Jerking to porn is just as evil as sex out of wedlock. But worse for you physiologically and mentally. Ditch porn, give a fuck (or two) instead.

"The right woman" is a metaphor. She's one (of many) that fits your dick. Some girls are "bigger" than others.

The movie is an excuse. Get you a piece.

Get her good and wet through making out and fingering. Read a primer on good oral technique. Practice putting on the jimmy hat.

Don't let her know it's your first time. Don't cry or apologize or whine afterwards. Laugh and tell her how great she felt and how tight she is. Then do it again 15 minutes later.

Ask her how she likes it. Make her talk/communicate/scream.

Be a good Christian and cry out "Oh yes Jesus God!" when you spurt.

[deleted] · 2016-08-16T06:45:32+00:00

Christian here, and this has been hitting me hard as well.

I am finding more and more that the people of the Bible did not live blue pill. Check out the highly esteemed men of the Old Testament. I think pastors in America follow the commentaries on the Bible which usually condemn red pill behavior. They also act VERY beta and feminine. I am not convinced that folks are giving the text a fresh look. I guess I am turning into what some might call a heretic for even questioning why things are as bad as they are in the church.

I still need to work on the body and hit the readings, so I have not swallowed the red pill. Things have been soaking in over the last three months. I am coming to the conclusion that marriage in the typical church is a terrible idea. From my viewpoint, men are working hard through college and throughout their careers only to be ruined in divorce settlements. For now I am taking the career thing a bit slower and trying to enjoy my life...perhaps picking up some hobbies...something that can't be taken away in a divorce court.

ClericJohnPreston · 2016-08-16T16:46:16+00:00

OP do you 100% believe that if you were born in a different country, not raised the way you were, that you'd believe in Christianity? That you would even give it a passing thought? How come billion of people on the planet laugh at Christian beliefs while you might laugh at theirs?

You know that they think your beliefs are bullshit just the way you think theirs are right? So where is "truth" in any of that? And how are you supposed to know? You cannot use any biblical quote at this point to prove your point because I'm asking you to suspend your beliefs for a moment. You can't use a potential fictional book to prove a potential way to know truth.

Or is it possible that it's all bullshit? What's more likely? What's the answer that needs the least explanation and mental gymnastics?

I'm pulling for you man I really am. As a man who ditched his specific brand of bullshit when these things came to light, I advise you to do the same. You're only causing yourself unnecessary grief. And you may never find the happiness when your mind and body are at such a conflict.

You telling me that a "God" made all this universe, put us here (who knows what else), knows in advance that more people WONT EVER BE CHRISTIAN than WILL BE CHRISTIAN, but all the non Christian ones are doomed to an eternity of misery and pain because they never "saw the light"? Some gigantic brilliant dude that is. He doesn't even math.

Last thought. If you were born to a tribe in the middle of the Amazon do you think you'd know how/why the sun comes up everyday? No. You'd believe what the tribe raised you to believe. That some magical sky being was doing it. But if you were plucked out of that environment, educated and shown how exactly the planets and sun work, you'd have no trouble letting go of the magical nonsense right? The proof is easy to believe when it's pretty damned concrete right? Tell me WHAT in Christianity is concretely proved. Hint: nuthin

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peakdog · 2016-08-16T02:54:38+00:00

I am a Christian and I believe that back in the time that the idea of marriage was created it was a great idea. But today it's becoming harder and harder to hold down a girl and not satisfy her sexually. I have sex with my girlfriend and although I see her as my life partner we are not married. I think this is the right approach. I made a promise to god to not have sex with any other woman and continue working at my current relationship with my girlfriend. This allows me to still be able to use my ability to leave to maintain a dominant position. But I have made a commitment to god and my girlfriend. My girlfriend is not christian and although I hope to someday bring her to god, I don't judge her. I'm very happy but after being beta in the relationship and seeing it go to shit. I see how easily women can fuck you up in marriage. Don't marry that girl unless she is ready to follow you and will literally listen to you. Otherwise arguments will happen and someone will be unhappy. Just my thoughts on relationships.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-08-16T01:26:08+00:00

Have sex. Suffer the consequences.

Y'know if we don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing.

Just sayin' /grin

drew967 · 2016-08-15T22:04:03+00:00

The problem I see with older religions, such as Christianity, is that their take of marriage is based on their views 1000s of years ago. Even though their view kept true for the most part, marriage changed and so did the people involved.

A man became less of a man and a woman just became herself really. Its human nature to always seek out a better option, through no one's fault, but the old way of marriage kept both the man and woman from doing that.

I am a Catholic and after reading TRP for about 2 years now I still wont give up my faith in God, as to being raised in a semi Catholic household. Since my mom as a Catholic and my Dad didnt really care. My best advice now is dont follow the Bible's stance on marriage/sex in tis day and age if you really want to succeed. However, that does not mean give up all faith in God and to stop following/reading the Bible.

exempt1993 · 2016-08-16T04:53:55+00:00

Not meaning to cause any offense, just putting in my two cents - seeing as you made this post in the TRP subreddit, I just thought I'd mention that Christianity is an archaic value system, combined with beliefs about the origin of the universe, formed in a time when people didn't have the technology or critical thought to properly study the world around them.

Like many other religions, one of the central themes is death-denial - as in, when you die, you actually don't die, and you magically come back to life in an unspecified state and area of existence (eg, as a soul in heaven or hell) - Feel free to disagree with me here, but this entire denial of death thing is the most beta blue pill shit in the world.

A rational intelligent human being should have the courage to recognise and accept that all living things die, and are recycled back into the planet, and the conscience to act responsibly without having to believe they're being monitored by an invisible megalomaniac in the sky.

Also just food for thought, this has been said many times but thought I'd add it to the mix - By subscribing to one monotheistic religion and believing in a single divine creator, you are dismissing every single other god anybody ever thought of (which some sources say may be as many as 320,000,000, but that's beside the point) - What makes one god more real than another? There is no evidence anywhere for any sort of deity or afterlife of any kind.

Over and out.

Crimson_Cleric · 2016-08-16T01:05:26+00:00

From a practical standpoint, you need to date and interact with different women immediately, or when you do eventually stumble into an LTR, you will be wildly outmatched. Hell, men with decades of experience get dominated by shrews. You are blessed to have been exposed to these concepts, but it's time to start putting them into practice. I emphasize the word practice.

Regarding sex, I respect your personal integrity in this matter. But if you allow your natural desire to reach the sexual promised land to sway you into marrying the first false unicorn that slips through your undeveloped bullshit filter, you will get wrecked.

The choice is yours. I wish God and women rewarded honorable behavior and intentions, but they don't. That's why you're here.

ZeeyardSA · 2016-08-16T11:01:24+00:00

You lucky Fucker, you found the RP before you got married.

I was a fucking STAUNCH Muslim and identify with Lots of what you wrote..Fucking praying 5 times a day and begging god for a "Good Pious Woman".......

Long story short I ended up losing my faith when I found out AWALT and live a better life ever since...Consider yourself Fortunate!

pizzalover24 · 2016-08-16T11:26:17+00:00

You know the bible knows the difficult situation we as men are in and there is some explanation for it.

I would encourge you to go through this blog post to understand a different perspective of love and marriage

http://shekinahofgod.com/2016/08/12/trait-4-god-reveals-himself-through-love/

Tl;Dr version of this post is that man in his most natural state requires submission. Unlike women who in their most natural state, require to submit to the most worthy being. That is TRP as TRP can be.

Casual Sex, debauchery and porn rob man of this desire to have a real submission-based relationship.

Lust is the driver for a man to go out there to earn his creds and then to find this relationship and then to maintain it. You can trick your mind into satisfying lust for short periods of time but it will keep prodding at you through depression and restlessness.

But love is imperfect you say! Welcome to life my friend where everything is imperfect!

It is meant to be this way. Why?

Because if creation was perfect then a perfect creator is redundant.

deskgrunt88 · 2016-08-16T14:06:50+00:00

You know Jesus didn't give much of a hoot about marriage because he believed that the world was going to end within a matter of weeks or months?

Consider it like that. World is ending next month. The fuck you want to get married for?

MattyAnon · 2016-08-16T15:08:03+00:00

using Monk Mode as an excuse not to talk to women, approach, etc

Monk Mode is often used as avoidance of the difficulty of talking to women. A man should take time off from relationships, not from women.

OP : Don't be celibate OR married. Do have sex.

Celibacy isn't healthy, marriage is worse. That leaves sex as the only terrible option for you. It's really not that bad you know ;)

Damned if I do. Damned if I don't.

Yes, that's the plan. Give a man no options until he does what he's told and earns money for his wife and for the church.

took a girl out from tinder.

I hope you didn't pay - provider behaviour triggers LMR.

Unholy_VI · 2016-08-16T18:34:49+00:00

I don't know where the no sex before marriage thing comes from exactly.

It isn't in the 10 commandments. Can't remember it being addressed specifically by Jesus in the gospels, and in fact Mary Magdalene is openly described as a prostitute.

There are thousands of years of traditions and norms built up into Christianity that have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. But to me it's all moot because Jesus preached to be poor, powerless, and non-violent.

Not sure how the mental gymnastics work that get you from that to any sort of red pill.

Original_Dankster · 2016-08-16T23:14:46+00:00

Have sex. Suffer the consequences.

What consequences? Serious question, what negative consequences do you think will come about?

OhAndOneMoreThing · 2016-08-16T23:46:23+00:00

What I find interesting is that it's accepted without question that women are designed to submit to men, but it's a "religious fairy tale" that men therefore are designed to submit to God. It makes perfect sense to me.

vengefully_yours · 2016-08-16T23:49:20+00:00

I used to be Christian, also learned islam. You want a fucked up religion that loves to dump needless stress and anxiety on you, it's these two. Especially the evangelical and fundies.

Here's something that will piss you off.

There is no such thing as sin. Sin is a made up problem that allows someone to give you the cure. Why do that? To control you, to make you into one of those pussy whipped fucks you see at church. You feel guilty for things you didn't do that they said are bad. You don't follow your biological imperative because they said you can't without signing your life over to some bitch.

Here you are, 24, never been laid, afraid that god will hate you, send you to hell, or whatever else they told you. As long as you follow that track, pussy will not be something you get. If you do, she will do exactly as you said, get fat, spend your money, and make you her wage slave. It's even worse if you have a shitload of kids like my religious brother. I guess he loves the minivan and the huge Excursion to haul his spawn around.

I know what is like to be where you are now. It sucks. You're afraid to look at things without the lens they gave you that colors the world in jesus light. They told you to be afraid, they drilled it into you so you would be, and they did it when you were little so you'd always hear that authority telling you how bad you are for questioning it.

If you want to believe in God, by all means man, go ahead. Pray, talk, have a personal relationship with him if you want. The thing I'll tell you is this. Don't let them control you any more. Live a good life, but realize that sin is bullshit. You have nothing to feel guilty about, because you haven't done anything even remotely wrong yet. Fuck kid, you haven't lived, and yet they have you believing you're a sinful piece of shit.

Do you want to live your life by the extremely narrow rules they force on you only to find out in 20 years that it's all bullshit? I'd call that wasting your life. You don't get to experience anything existing like that.

Take the other red pill and realize you're still a slave and being lied to.

[deleted] · 2016-08-17T06:35:51+00:00

I was content with my shitty personality because my family and Christian friends all told me that a girl won't care as long as I am a "strong Christian" and I "provide for her"

This! I am also a Christian, but until now I never find Christian boyfriend. But reading your post, I see it now. The BP mindset is strong in churches. (Before I find TRP and RPW I was also very BP)

Well, for now I will just content my self with my atheist boyfriend and work myself to be a better woman.

slimcoat · 2016-08-17T16:45:13+00:00

and have 3 shitty kids.

I literally lol'd at this.

Have sex. Suffer the consequences.

What consequences are you referring to?

(I'm a Christian as well, by the way. Although I haven't been to church for well over a year, because of many of the problems you've brought up. I've come to the conclusion that organized religion does not adhere to the principals laid out in the Bible.)

grumpieroldman · 2016-08-19T06:11:27+00:00

Marriage 1.0 is illegal in the US.
You get a little bit of Marriage 1.0 if your wife is a devote Jew or Catholic but she can still turn it into 2.0 at any time that it pleases her.

Catholic churches are a shit-show. Non-catholic Christian churches are worse.

ex_addict_bro · 2016-08-23T05:45:53+00:00

Dude. Can't see forest before trees. God just saved you. You found us. Your prayers have been heard.

There is no point where red pill contradicts traditional Christian faith.

Godspeed brother.

seaguy87 · 2016-09-14T13:54:09+00:00

Hello Kaladin and other Christian RPers here. I want you to know that I, like many of you, share in this struggle. You are not alone. If there is one takeaway from this wall of text, I want it to be that.

That being said, I want to chime in with my input for the OP, as per his request. Unfortunately, this is not one of those posts where I console you by saying, okay, green light, go bang chicks.

I want to offer some background on where I am coming from so you can see that this is not something solely affecting Western, Christian, RPers. I am a native of Southeast Asia, born into a Christian family. Everything you mention up there about the state of the church rings true here too, as we import so much pseudo theology from the US.

Anyway, that being said, Christians in my country are a small minority. So you can imagine the small pool of potential wives I am drawing from here. Now you have to remember that given where I am people here tend to be culturally conservative. So, really, the girls I am supposed to pursue come with a double whammy of being both culturally and religiously conservative.

Unfortunately, in our culture we are taught to keep our heads down and shut up in school, many grow up to be very cookie-cutter adults. Women here are often not able to hold a good conversation because they do not know much about anything (general knowledge), can't think abstractly, and cannot handle confrontation (like being faced with an opposing idea.) They are also very closed-off to being approached --but I digress; just throwing in something off-topic to those who'd care to know.

As you can imagine, many of the Christian girls here are boring, know-nothings who aren't good dressers and think their piety will sustain a long, Christian marriage. But as a good Christian boy, you're just supposed to look at their inner man, right? ;) Fuck me, so many Christian girls (even the guys too) mistake naivety for innocence.

And then you have another group of Christian girls who were probably rich enough to go overseas, and they become unshackled and are just like any other non-Christian girl, who are materialistic and are looking for Chads (when they're younger) and BBs (when the Wall looms). Cue AWALT. Here's an example: I had this Christian oneitis once. She was a HB9 who was a talented singer, a served-in-church-every-Sunday type, and came from a rich family. Long story short, she rejected me, never dated down (no shit, is that a surprise?) especially guys from our/similar churches. Dated a string of guys (even a Muslim, at one point) and ended up marrying a beefcake former-gangster (with money), who, safely enough, is a Christian on paper. So you see, girls really can have their beefcake and eat it too. Even here in the East. ;)

Anyway. At the back of all this, I had/have a raging need to bang. I'm in my late 20s now and am still a virgin (give it a couple more years and I will be a wizard.) I, too, have dated using online apps. I've made out many times, but never taken it further. So really, my options are either: (1) marry, (2) sleep around, or (3) continue rubbing it. They are similar to yours. I'll give my input on why three of them have more cons than pros.

(1) If you're considering marriage, remember that the Bible exhorts you to love your wife as Christ loved the Church. This is a high calling. We as the bride of Christ cheat on him every day, and yet Christ died for us. So this is the standard to which we should hold marriage. That is why I don't find any appeal in marriage because (a) I can't find any one who I could sacrifice like this for, let alone interests/attracts me enough to be committed only to them, and (b) don't think I could forgive my wife if she cheated on me. But this is the ideal option, no? I want a great life partner, just as I think even non-Christian RPers do. You know what? All the Christian girls I have shown interest in turned out to be non-virgins (this was when I was in my early to mid 20s.) The time of ripe fields for the plucking of quality women are long gone, son. Even here in Asia, many girls--religious or not--are secretly fucking around and feigning chastity. It's the same as the West.

(2) I for one cannot reconcile the fact that the Bible does not prohibit premarital sex, no matter the semantic gymnastics. Because if the Bible does not, then why would it have a problem with orgies, threesomes, you name it. Premarital sex is a sin. It is not the only sin, nor is it the biggest sin. But it is. I'm afraid there is no easy answer to this, believe me, I have been ruminating on it for over a decade. I wish we could all fuck around, guilt-free. But the problem with satisfying these lusts is that you would be living your life for yourself, and not for Christ.

(3) I'm afraid this is the route I have taken. I rub one out about once a week, with porn. I have been viewing porn since the age of 14, especially since I have been BP for a really, really long time, kept getting rejected, and found my satisfaction there. Yes, I know what the downsides of porn are. But as a single, Christian man with a very real sex drive, porn is the only way I can get a little thrill and satisfaction. I know it isn't healthy. I don't even enjoy watching porn all that much.

Yes, I know it's miserable af. Yes, that is why, as you say, damned if you, damned if you don't. It's called bearing the Cross for a reason. It's called dying to oneself for a reason. There are no good options, only ones that are worser. I could write more, but I'd rather wait for replies to keep the conversation going. Hang in there, brother.

htbf · 2016-08-15T23:27:00+00:00

Hello my friend,

You're gonna do yourself a service, sit tight, and listen very carefully to what i'm telling you.

I've been there just this year. I was at my most religious. I never had sex. I was 27, with a job and I was torn between my sexual needs and my faith and the lack of any decent wife on the horizon. The "religious" girls I met.. none of them was interested in me. They were trying to get the attention of Chads. They didn't give a fuck if his religion was lackluster. They were ready to forgive that as long as he picked them. I really thought (convinced myself more like) that me being serious in my religion would make very attractive to fellow minded girls. Lol.

Anyway. I was 26 and I had enough, I needed to know where I was going. It's either the faith or the sex. No matter the choice, the sacrifice would be great so I took a hard look at it. I always thought I was critical about my religion but this time I took the thing by the horns. If I was gonna sacrifice my well being on this Earth, I needed to be 100% all-in in my religion.

And it turns out... I wasn't. looking at it very closely, the faith broke. I do still believe in the teachings, but not the divine aspect of it. And therefore, not the commandements.

I'm now the master of my soul. And you should be too.

spootsnoopy · 2016-08-15T22:41:29+00:00

Boy is this gonna get down voted ...... Stop believing in things that aren't real. Religion is a giant hamster wheel.

I too used to be religious. Then I turned 9.

Stop talking about how RP it all is. It isn't . True Red Pill men do not believe the fairy tales they have been taught their whole lives.

Stop wasting your life. Go out and do whatever the hell you want . Find a girl. Find 100 girls. Whatever you feel like. Part of swallowing the pill is realising that what your parents taught you growing up is wrong.

I am wasting my time writing this here. But at least I will sleep better better knowing I did the right thing.

kyledontcare · 2016-08-16T05:44:50+00:00

I'm a Christian male, married, and I took the red pill after marriage. My advice to you is to avoid porn and masturbation and focus on your career. I'm assuming you're following God's will in this area, too; if you're not, you should. Ask Him and listen and obey and you won't go wrong.

Be debt free. Own a nice vehicle and clothes and dress nice. Live in a smallish apartment or at home with the family to save more $$$$. The older you get, the higher your stock will rise in the community among believers. Women, believing and unbelieving, will be throwing themselves at you by the time you're 30 given that you are in decent shape physically and financially.Give yourself the goal of being debt free and having 90-100K in savings by the time you're 30 if you don't already.

Improve yourself; take up hobbies; take a few vacations that you want now; work out and stay fit and strong. When you're around 30 or 29, the flood of women will increase exponentially year-on-year. Pick yourself a pretty little thing under 25 or even one who graduated from XYZ Christian College within the last year and is at the tender age of 22 or 23. She should: be a Christian; never married with no children; be a virgin; take her relationship with God seriously; get up to pray in the morning and read God's Word; she can actually cook and clean and shop and doesn't consider these things beneath her dignity; and she should consider her future job to be wife and mother, not a liberated women looking to climb the corporate ladder and "lean in" like that dumb broad Sheryl Sandberg said a few months ago.

If she calls herself a Christian but she isn't disease-free, a virgin, debt-free and up early praying and reading God's Word, let me just say to you that you should consider these things deal breakers and walk away. This is particularly true of debt; you may or may not know, when a woman files for divorce, her debts are forced onto the man along with other things such as alimony or child support. And no man alive wants these things. Think far ahead and even look at divorce laws in your state or nation where you live.

Now, these aforementioned things are all just for you, things you or probably any man would want. Far more important in all this is God's will. His advice is golden and unbeatable. He can tell you now and direct you to a woman who will still be worth something 35 years after you marry--if you go the route of marriage. Seek His face on which woman to marry or even to marry at all. A lot of other men would be willing to put up with a little sexual frustration in exchange for freedom from harpy women.

Count your blessings before you toss them. Avoid single mothers like the plague. A good webpage reference to check and drink from deeply: www.faithandsociety.wordpress.com

Peace in the name of Jesus, the King of Kings

[deleted] · 2016-08-16T07:24:50+00:00

I was in your boat early on, contemplating about premarital sex. It was a very hard hurdle to jump. In fact I feel some guilt right now talking about it. Thankfully I made the jump early on right after high school/around college. It was a gradual process. It took me months to finally have sex with a fwb I was seeing who was also religious. But you only live this life once man. Even when compared to an afterlife, you have a unique experience here on Earth, cherish it.

[deleted] · 2016-08-16T01:10:47+00:00

Hey kid, there is no god. You're wasting your time.

Go get laid... you are your own personal Jesus.

Eosphouros · 2016-08-15T19:57:05+00:00

If you have a need fulfill it. imo the wait to have sex till marriage thing was better suited in the past, it kept women under control and men happy. Sadly there aren't many people who adhere to it now. You have this need and an easy way to get rid of it and get experience so go for it. At the end of the day you are your own man and should develop and follow your own set of values whatever they are. In theory, you could find the virgin and marry her, but in reality she could lie about her virginity. As you said, marriage is a horrible deal for men today. From your post you seem young, don't worry about starting a family especially if you don't have the right kind of woman.

RedPillAnonymous · 2016-08-16T15:43:38+00:00

You need to realize religion is itself a massive blue pill.

The solution isn't to hamster the bible into a redpill interpretation like Darlock.

The solution is to stop believing in nonsense.

Step one, become atheist.

Step two, go fuck a bitch.

Step three, ????

Step four, Proffit!

hobohunter24 · 2016-08-16T07:17:12+00:00

I'd say, just go for it. Suffer the 'consequences.' But I'm an atheist, so I don't think there are any.

Also, how did you manage to read a bunch of the bible and not realize it was just myths cooked up by half-baked shepherds?

just_a_thought4U · 2016-08-16T07:40:39+00:00

When you became a Christian you gave your life to Christ. Maybe you didn't understand what that meant. Find yourself a well educated hot woman who understands and is committed to being a Christian wife and selflessly serving her husband as we selflessly serve serve Christ. You may have to look out of country as American women are very polluted by the culture.

mikesteane · 2016-08-16T02:29:08+00:00

Read the Skeptic's Annotated Bible with an open mind. The absurdity, the contradictions and the grotesque immorality of The Bible is shown up. And don't be a coward, fearing that there really is eternal damnation for people who think for themselves. There isn't.

[deleted] · 2016-08-15T22:20:21+00:00

The ultimate red pill is a deep cut with a knife through the palm of your left hand.

massivewang · 2016-08-16T02:03:29+00:00

I was beta Christian bitch from 17-27. I was a virgin until I was 28.

I walked away from Christianity at 26 for a variety of reasons.

At any rate I was nervous about having sexing for some time after because I was still indoctrinated in the sense that sex was some profound emotional experience.

Anyway after I had sex for my first time I thought "WHAT THE FUCK WAS I SCARED OF AND WHAT THE FUCK WAS I WAITING FOR?!".

I don't think you're missing our per se, but the reality is that as long as you don't knock her up or get an STD, there are no grave negative consequences for having sex outside of marriage. If anything for me, it is just another confirmation that Christian culture is full of shit and that Christians often know less about life than they are willing to admit.

Anyway I'm not writing to encourage you to leave your faith; just sharing my experience.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-08-15T22:08:14+00:00

Religion was supposed to slow you down between the ages of 14 up to the adult age of 18.

Four years of not having sex when you were ready for it.

The idea of going all the way from 14 to 24 years old and not having sex was not part of the plan. (that's ten years and an excess of blue balls... blue pill balls)

I wasn't religious as a kid, my family didn't go to church.

Jesus supposedly really didn't get super religious until 30.

But Jews (the original and I believe real truth based religion) they aren't into the idea of perfection like that. Everything is about a mix of dualistic forces.

At 24 years old you might think about having sex... the universe wants to be known... to know the Natural Laws and by extension the true knowledge of g-d.

If you have sex just don't imagine yourself as "becoming evil" and turning all weird about it. Enjoy it, but try to realize there is much more to learn.

You are correct.

The Red Pill reads more like the Torah... life is a mix of things.

555 - Androgynous beta male.

666 - Carnal obsessed, ego centered, Nihilistic

777 - Amused Mastery, big picture view.

...the goal for all of us is Amused Mastery.

Ego and the 666 path are necessary... but unless you get trapped as a Satanic Slave you are okay having sex at this age.

Modern Christianity is 555... it's as false as the 666 path ultimately.

Extremism of Severity or Mercy is a form of mental slavery.

The Red Pill essentially says:

"God wants you to have a free will to decide between more than one option."

Conceited-Monkey · 2016-08-15T20:23:43+00:00

I am pretty sure you cannot be half a gangster. Likewise, I think it is pretty hard to go red pill trying to do it biblically. A lot of red pill involves rejecting commonly held delusions, and religious belief is IMHO one big delusion.

_Trigglypuff_ · 2016-08-16T00:17:41+00:00

Christianity I see a lot of it is about controlling men into living their lives a certain way, generally from far more respected males in a community. You are "born a sinner" and sin everyday, commit murder, steal? Repent and be forgiven! Sex? May as well burn in hell!

Funnily enough sex is the one sin people don't tolerate in christian communities, likely because the men preaching it have 3 banging bimbo daughters and every guy in Sunday school wants to tear that up.

Mid-20s and every christian guy I know is now getting engaged. I'm sure most of the girls are virgins.

[deleted] · 2016-08-16T10:04:12+00:00

Your next step is to embrace Science and logic and realise that the same people who told you all this BS about relationships also told you a bunch of BS about "God" as well.

You were born in the west by sheer chance, if you were born in Saudia Arabia you would be a Muslim and by your current standards would be going to hell just for being born in the wrong place. Makes no fucking sense.

jzekyllandhyde · 2016-08-15T19:55:39+00:00

These text walls are getting old

Camberlain · 2016-08-15T23:31:36+00:00

Marriage as it is understood in the west in 2016 is a lot different from what marriage was understood to be in biblical times. You need to make up ypur own mind about what a biblical marriage means and do that.

TermsOfColors · 2016-08-16T00:05:09+00:00

I prayed every day that God would send me "the most incredible woman" to someday be my wife.

I know people who have prayed on whether or not they should get a certain sports car. I'm a Christian, but I guess I just learned it differently. Plus I figured God didn't particularly care what kind of car I drove. I don't know if he wants you to find "the most incredible woman" either.

I recall the passage from the Bible that says it's better to marry than burn. It is good advice but the problem is that nowadays women aren't holding up their end of the deal. The whole system has been perverted.

Title	The story of a Beta-Christian boy, and the questions that still trouble me...
Author	KaladinSt0rmblessed
Upvotes	154
Comments	195
Date	August 15, 2016 7:33 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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