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[–]myprettiesFDS Disciple97 points98 points99 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men want to enjoy all the benefits of the traditional husband and none of the responsibilities.
[–]BasieSkanksRuthless Strategist34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why liberal feminism has ultimately screwed women over. Not only do women have to bear the traditional responsibilities (childcare, housekeeping, etc), they have also made it "cool" for women to do half a man's responsibilities.
[–]themissdaydreamerFDS Disciple190 points191 points192 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I'll never get why cooking is such a big deal for men when it's literally a survival skill. And at this day and age, when microwaves, youtube tutorials and all kinds of package sizes exist, it's unreasonable for grown ass men to depend on other people (aka women) not to starve .
[–]buffysummerrsFDS Newbie38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I have literally said the exact same thing as you. It’s like a person being too lazy to buy themselves clothes or shoes. Like okay, then go around naked or get sores on your feet have fun with that. It’s a necessity. And food tastes good. Personally, I can’t stand when people put stuff on my food or make food I hate. I’m sure there’s millions of men who like their food a certain way and would rather do it themselves. This old “make my food women” thing needs to die out.
The losers of today who are millennials and what will be generation Z’s children better teach their kids that you need to learn to cook because 1950 was so long ago, soon the children of that era will be dead and the adults from it are already dead. It’s over. They’re forgotten old farts. Back then there was no Dominos, and women couldn’t even own credit cards. People marry later in life (I’m 28 and not married). Like what are these men doing? Buying 5 Guys and Fries and Chinese food since they moved out? Welp, then they’re probably fat as shit already and thus useless to me. Skip. The hottest men can cook a mean meal.
[–]delicateearthbabeFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Which is why some guys dress like they are still 15. This is the last time their mothers bought them clothing and they refuse to do this themselves.
[–][deleted] 56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
They know damn well how to cook. For a lot of them, their go-to move is cooking for a woman, on a date. Followed by a lot of phishing - “you’re lucky your guy cooks for you,” nonsense.
The bar has just got to get higher than basic life skills.....
Women have been cooking FOR EVERYONE since the day god made man, realized his mistake, then self corrected and made woman.
[–]DelicateDreamFDS Disciple53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This.
When men exhibit basic survival and adulting skills they want a gold medal. They cook sometimes, just like they “help out” around their own homes and “babysit” their own children.
And when they cook they’ll spend twice the money on their fancy ingredients because it’s basically a hobby... and meanwhile the woman still gets stuck with the drudgery of daily cooking on a budget with whatever’s in the cupboard. And he’ll go around telling everyone he’s the cook in the family 🙄.
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My ex did this and the food was fucking inedible. Awful. We're the same age and any adult needs to know how to make a basic meal. I hate cooking and I have no talent for it, but I can put together a healthy and yummy meal or snack because I put in minimal effort.
I used to eat before I went to his house so I could just nibble a bit and say I was full. He made a joke one time about what an awful cook he was and I laughed in agreement -- he was furious that I didn't assuage his feelings.
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Oh how fragile the male ego is..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you can just join a cooking subscription box nowadays where they send you the recipes and spices
super easy
[–]7_0f_9FDS Disciple42 points43 points44 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They like the idea of subjugating us, plain and simple.
[–]FitncurlyFDS Apprentice19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They’re either stupid or too misogynistic to want to grow and learn a necessary skill because they think only women should do it ...which translates into more being stupid.
[–]kinnnionFDS Disciple10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s cause it’s a power thing, having someone cook and slave for them makes them feel superior
[–]TERFSareawesomeFDS Apprentice76 points77 points78 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ditto for talking about the historical expectation that existed in some cultures that men would protect women. When you bring up that that means men can't hit women, or CHIVALRY, or that they would have to fight for women's honor and stand up when a lady enters the room and all of that- it totally goes out the window.
if men want to have the "it used to be so good back in the day" talk then let's mention those few aspects of it that actually benefitted women. Then their tune changes REAL quick
[–]ivy176FDS Disciple47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I enjoy cooking and I'm happy to do most of the cooking and cleaning. Of course that means my man has to pay a majority of the bills. Labour is not free. Cooking and cleaning are jobs and I will not do them if my partner isn't contributing equally. I'm not a charity, we both need to gain from our life together.
If a woman doesn't like cooking, then she's not obligated to. There are many ways people can contribute to their home life. If she's paying 50% of the bills then there is absolutely no reason why she should be doing more cooking or cleaning. Men are perfectly capable and must contribute and pull their weight. Preparing meals is a standard life skill.
I worked with my partner before we became an item. We worked in aged care which involved cooking meals. I noticed that he could cook some basics without asking for any help, plus he'd be a bit adventurous and try out some new ideas sometimes. Things he made tasted at the least acceptable to me and they were nutritious. I noticed it. I'm a very good cook and I have fairly high standards with food, I don't need a man who can cook and I prefer to take on that role in a balanced LTR. But it was still a significant factor in my attraction to him. He was capable and never viewed it as "womens work".
Men need to realise that even women who LIKE the idea of traditional roles and acting like a "wifey" will not be interested in doing that with incapable, lazy, childish and sexist men, if they have any self respect. I love the idea of that traditional stuff, but I'm also a modern woman who's been through a lot and I am only willing to have that dynamic with a man who's super worthy of it and who gives me plenty in return.
Men need to realise that the whiney lazy ones who feel entitled to their partner being a "wifey" will not/should not get it. They haven't earned it. The HV men who don't expect it and are perfectly capable of doing everything themselves are the ones who will get that from me. I don't want to cook for a man who can't cope on his own and would order pizza every 2nd night. I cook for a life partner who would be perfectly fine if I didnt. If a guy NEEDS me to take care of him then I'm not interested. It's like how we say we want a man who will be generous even though we're capable of paying all our bills and for entertainment. It's not about NEED and obligation to me, it's more about willingness and loving gestures.
I don't want to be a mom, I want to be a wife. I've been a mom-wife to a dope who couldn't function as an adult on his own (ex husband) and it was totally unacceptable, totally draining, really damaged my health and it's just nonsense and there's no excuse for it.
Moms take care of humans that can't take care of themselves. That is not partnership.
[–]pickmieshaexorcistFDS Apprentice109 points110 points111 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is what I can’t take “trad” men seriously. They want the perfect submissive SAHM wifey but will never be a real traditional man who provides without question. Suddenly they love so-called “degenerate” egalitarian modern society if it means never paying one red cent towards his family. And you better believe he still indulges his modern porn habit too.
[–]ghygdryhchmmmmjjFDS Newbie47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's the hypocrisy that makes it's so unbelievable frustrating. I love when something outlines this clearly, because it is so hard to explain for me.
[–]ivy176FDS Disciple17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Been there, done that!
[–]BovvsetteFDS Disciple35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As always, cherry-picking all the perks of traditional and modern ideologies while avoiding responsibility that comes with either of them. You can't have the best of worlds, no amount of whining, manipulation or mental gymnastics will convince us that it's somehow fair, when it's obviously not. Either put in at least the same amount of effort and labor, or pay up big cash for our work hours doing your chores! If you can't, then stay at home with your mama, whose unconditional love made you so entitled to it, no one else wants or needs your useless ass.
[–]CuriousCatNYC777Ruthless Strategist105 points106 points107 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Nobody hates LVM more than HVM.
Nobody.
[–]greatmanatee2FDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Just like how HVW are beginning to scorn pick-mes. Thank goodness.
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How's he an HMV though? He's LVM through and through if he thinks we should conform to gender roles.
[–]CuriousCatNYC777Ruthless Strategist34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where did I say he was HVM? Where?
He may or may not be HVM, but calling out LVM behavior is definitely a good sign.
Some of our commenters need to learn critical reading skills.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You implied it. How did you not? What do HMV have to do with what he is saying? And how is calling out LVM behavior a sign at all? So many men do that purposely to give off the impression that they’re “woke”. Am I in the right sub?
I don’t appreciate you talking about my “critical reading skills” so rudely. Take it somewhere else.
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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean that's more rpw/bangmaid style is it not
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
There is nothing subjective about being submissive. What am I even reading right now?
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No.
[–]Radiant_SuccessFDS Newbie-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The part that is subjective is that he is low value.
Your statement wasn't about submission, your statement was about conformity to gender roles.
People can only respond to the words you've actually typed, not the words in your head.
Gender roles ---> femininity --> submissive.
That's not "in my head" at all. You just couldn't make the obvious connection.
He is low value because he is HEAVILY implying that if a man isn't hypocritical about gender roles, i.e. if he is a provider through and through, then that somehow makes it okay for him to expect a 1950's submissive housewife.
Fuck no sis.
[–]PinkPilledDemonFDS Disciple18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a feminist sub
[–]RadarFemefFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is this a feminist sub?
[–]CuriousCatNYC777Ruthless Strategist5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
EXACTLY
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[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe that's because women are the ones that bear the brunt and risks of having children and end up taking on most of the responsibility looking after and educating them? Not to mention even the most broke men expect women to cook and clean for them? I have no qualms stating I have only had LTR's with men that pay for me and that I have no desire to be with a man that earns less. I've seen way too many pickmeisha mothers settle, including my own & they out earn their partner and STILL do all of the cooking/cleaning/housework. Luckily if their guy irons...sometimes. They're an advertisement for not falling into that trap since they look overwhelmed and stressed 24/7
in terms of benefiting society- prioritising womens needs in the dating game makes sense- they are the ones that pick the fathers and birth the children....including young boys.
the majority of single parents in poverty are women sis....not single fathers...a lot of these lower earning men fail to launch and even step up in the father dept. It doesn't even out because most men feel entitled to a maid no matter how broke they are
[–]FitncurlyFDS Apprentice4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yup, gotta bottleneck men in their mate quests, so only the best get through. Chaos would ensue otherwise, and the women and children are who suffer most.
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup- that's why you have to have a game plan & take note of the landscape FAST, ignoring all pickmeishas and LVM's and their crap advice. I deliberately swerved young motherhood at all costs focusing on my career until I felt I was mature/ experienced enough to make the right decision. Now I am way more certain of what to avoid and what to look out for. You make the wrong decision as a woman, make a few 'innocent' allowances here and there just to play nice.......and BOOM suddenly you're left alone with 2kids & a manchild in court giving you hell for the rest of your life.
Screw men trying to give us dating advice- they do not carry the burdens/risks women do-children do not grow in their bodies and they're prone to running off from fatherhood anyway. They will never get it, they will never menstruate, never panic at a missed period or fear being raped / overpowered the rate we do
Women need to think in THEIR best interests and stop letting low value leeches hack at their sympathy. Men will not return you the same sympathy longterm anyway
Every adamant grown pickmeisha I have met IRL has regretted their 'play fair' passive 'play it safe' game-plan at some point- its sad seeing the state of them by the time it hits the fan. Which is why we're tryna wake these young ones up
[–]Radiant_SuccessFDS Newbie58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, a provider is a non-negotiable for me. A dude can professionally debate with someone with lower standards for manhood.
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
same lol I've had a good few to know they exist as well....still some men left who take pride in providing and understand the biological burdens of being a woman
you want these genes- you better bring me something
most these beta males I see IRL are earning way less than their female counterparts (not even a small disparity), have no drive to get a 2nd job or advance or set up a side hustle to benefit them both (even tho their female partner has b4 today) and are constantly being nagged by their partners to do basis adult shit pretending mE nO cOmPrEnDe
I call bullshit- these little babies want the respect of a man but act like a helpless needy child
[–]FitncurlyFDS Apprentice12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And never budge if that’s what you want: there ARE men who want a family and a wonderful wife and see that value and WILL provide to have it. Only the losers want you convinced otherwise.
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s true I have less arguments with them as well and more respect - Cos they actually put an effort in to make sure I’m supported so I want to show appreciation back
They also know a woman with self- respect is going to expect a man to demonstrate his value /worthiness so they have more respect for you having the smarts about you & enough esteem to know the life you want
It’s a way healthier dynamic imo - less nagging more satisfaction on both sides
Broke stingy men are the most entitled and emotionally unstable = constant arguments & boundary violations
[–]BookwormJaneFDS Newbie18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I call this kind of men pseudo-conservatives. They demand conservative and traditional values from women because it benefits them - who doesn't like a free maid to clean your house, do your dishes and then have sex with you? But when it comes to their duties as a providers, they quickly become liberals and even "FEMINISTS" and claim that a woman should split the bills because after all "eQuAl rIGhTs".
[–]rosa_sallyFDS Newbie17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Preach! I’m surrounded by men who say they want to settle down and have a family etc. but then can’t actually do any of the basics. Everything needs to be fair. We both work full time but you’re home first? You can cook dinner then. What makes you think I want to be your servant?
[–]melissa_nineFDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My ex thought a box of cigarettes here and there was providing enough and “payment” enough for the daily laundry, toilet scrubbing, cooking etc. And then Mc Donalds was a treat. Unless I was paying for takeout on a night I didn’t want to cook and then I’d get lasagne, chicken etc. Sigh. Good riddance.
[–]Inevitable_MolassesFDS Newbie11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My ex too! He swore up and down and sideways that he was a 50/50 contributor because he occasionally paid for a pizza or gave me $100 "towards bills." MF, those bills are like 20 times what you gave me!
[–]cottoncandydr34msFDS Newbie24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I like this man
[–]Throwaways355FDS Newbie17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Like a comment said earlier. A man calling out LVMs actions are a good sign.
[–]subprincessthrwayFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
My mom is in her 60s now and she’s one of the few people her age I know who is incredibly vocal about what a bullshit deal “women’s empowerment” was for women, and she’s absolutely right. Oh great we can work now, but we also have to do all the stuff we always did at home. She’s always told me to NEVER do housework for a man who isn’t completely providing for you. My boyfriend is still in school, and I work part time, so he does the vast majority of the housework, and cooking. He also pays for all of our dates, and I pay for our major bills. When we start a family, he will be completely providing for me financially bc he respects my labor.
[–]CloacaDiddlerFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A M E N
[–]VivaLaSeaFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've been saying this since forever!!!
Why do so many men want a "traditional" wife but refuse to be a traditional husband??? This shit is so annoying to me.
[–]Fatt3stAveng3rFDS Apprentice3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My boyfriend can cook all the basics and has a few dishes he can bang out that are great (chili, baked chicken, home made meatballs). I love - friggin LOVE - cooking, so I do that. But if all he could do was boil water I wouldn't have dated him. Cooking is a life skill and not something you should expect other people to do for you. Men who know nothing about cooking probably also know "nothing" about doing laundry, cleaning the toilets, scrubbing the tub.
"My mom never taught me" BULLSHIT, I say. My brother and I were doing chores from toddler up, singing Barney's clean up song, and cooking from first grade up. You can't tell me a mom wouldn't at least try to get her kids cleaning.
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