Someone help me understand. Why is this whole movement accused of being "misogynistic" and all the other lies across the internet?

someoneelseiknow · 2021-02-04T09:05:32+00:00

Like he posted society only views women as victims, men can never be victimized they can only be the abusers.

Try explaining to any woman how hard a mans life can be and they will dismiss you completely. Nothing could ever be as hard as what a woman bla bla bla

30203forever · 2021-02-03T14:24:57+00:00

Years of indoctrination from childhood and all the way through college. "soyboys and sjws" are not born. They're made. And it also takes years of extreme pain to kick the stupidity out of them. Some of them are incurable till death and that's why "there is no fool like an old fool" is so true.

P.S. Avoid that crowd like a plague & never argue with them if you can help it.

TRPonlySubsBanTRPppl · 2021-02-03T22:08:52+00:00

It's because women want us competing for them and we are not. They shame and ridicule us in their attempt to get us to care about them or hurt us as badly as they can. If they can't hurt you or get your attention, they'll start chasing you and offering you sex, but they hate losing control like that so they will always be looking for a way to hurt you, control you, and take what's yours. Criticizing and shaming you is a level one shit test and that is what women are doing to the entire MGTOW group.

Congratulations, gentleman! We are passing.

mansrandom · 2021-02-03T01:04:49+00:00

I thought this would have been mentioned already, but this is not a movement. It’s just an idea. There really isn’t a set movement because each man decides his own way. To me, it’s better to not follow a cookie cutter model. These men know what lifestyle they want and what they can achieve with it.

classicliberal1 · 2021-02-03T02:15:21+00:00

Why is this whole movement accused of being "misogynistic" and all the other lies across the internet?

Mgtow is not in the interest of women, big business, or government. If men go their own way, then they won't slave away on the plantation. That means women cannot extract resources from them. They cannot get a beta provider when they reach their epiphany phase.

It also means that men will not slave away 70 hours a week at a job producing wealth for the executives while the man gets a marginal increase in his wealth to give to his wife. In turn this means less taxes for government, so of course, politicians and bureaucrats hate mgtow as well. These responses played out in Japan when herbivore men came about.

Put simply, every party is acting on its own selfish interests with zero concern for the men.

Siganid · 2021-02-03T05:08:12+00:00

Women view men as walking charities that exist to supply them money, favors, and assistance.

Their biggest tool to enforce this is shaming and hatred against men who won't participate.

OwenWentFullMGTOW · 2021-02-03T18:46:46+00:00

Women operate on a pretty simplistic intellectual paradigm. Anything that isn't exclusively pro-women is necessarily anti-women.

Women in general have an IQ distribution mostly in the middle. It's rare to find a truly stupid woman (altho I dated one once *shudder*). By that same token, it's also rare to find a truly gifted one (altho I am friends with one). Exceptions exist but they inform the rule. In terms of intelligence, most women are just average.

The male IQ is more spread out. It's not too terribly hard to find a truly stupid man nor is it too terribly hard to find an authentic genius. We're spread all across the spectrum. Women are not. Women are clustered in the center.

Women are also collective in their thinking. When a member of The Sisterhood in good standing says MGTOW is bad, the appendages will mostly roll with it. They mostly won't even bother verifying the claim. Their average IQ makes them broadly capable of understanding what MGTOW means and their group-oriented thinking makes them unlikely to challenge The Sisterhood.

As a corollary, these tendencies also explain why women tend to be slaves to extremist political ideology.

Women simply lack the necessary intelligence to think critically, the individualistic psychology to think independently and the self-reflection to think inwardly. MGTOW is almost perfectly designed to short circuit the feminine brain.

Hence, men saying "No thank you, I choose not to get married" can be greeted only by the Pavlovian response of "reeeeeeeeeeeeeee, misogynist!!"

ShortTailBoa · 2021-02-03T00:34:38+00:00

The narrative people are raised with in the west is that men are oppressors and women are victims. Anyone who disagrees with that narrative or questions it, is shunned and called a misogynist because feminist crumbles under scrutiny.

When you can't debate people or their ideas, you silence them which is what feminism does. Their most effective tool to silence people is to label them as incels or misogynist.

RedditMadeMeReddit · 2021-02-03T01:34:22+00:00

Historically speaking, men were motivated to find women and support them. In a financial sense, we are aware of what “liabilities” and “financial risks” mean today. Sadly, this often becomes the financial equivalent of lighting damn near all of your money on fire.

For instance, houses, cars, children, education tend to cost money, but rarely will they ever put a dime in your wallet. On the other hand, women can divorce men and take most everything in the settlement, not to mention their “future income.” Instead of having investments, we get liabilities.

In other words, women are becoming [financial] liabilities in men’s lives, and women are often in the media “banging the drum” about how they don’t need men, and suddenly men don’t need women, either. It certainly doesn’t help that half of the country is obese, most women won’t ever be worth marrying, and most men won’t ever be more than “disposable simps.”

akihonj · 2021-02-04T16:36:09+00:00

You're entire question is about double standards, that's something you're going to have to accept.

The double standard that some men who are mgtow are in the red pill rage and they are angry and hateful towards women and society in general and they are venting. That's actually s good thing because it means they are moving forward, although it doesn't seem like it at the time.

People outside have seized on that and some of the comments made and use that to demonize the entire philosophy of mgtow, others simply because mgtow refuse to be a slave. Now obviously when women come out with things like killallmen, nobody says a word, in fact quite the opposite and they celebrate it.

Feminists are allowed because it's part of the current narrative, the future is female so they call shitty behaviour empowerment while men doing their thing is naturally an evil that needs to be squashed because men are evil. You get the picture, again it's another double standard.

Why is it the case, so back in 2008 when the markets crashed and after when the occupy wall Street started the west didn't actually have much in the way of gender splits, yes it was there but not as bad as it is today, the occupy bunch were right, bankers took the world to the brink of total collapse, people lost homes and jobs and they, the bankers, knew what they were doing was bad but did it anyway. Soon after the occupy group started to get attention, we saw the wall Street journal and new York times begin to make everything a racial or gender issue.

So while people were suffering, bankers are drinking champagne and laughing, but enough tension was Stoked that showed enough issues between the genders that feminist groups were able to capitalise on and push their narrative further than ever before.

As the gender issues and racial issues were pushed more and more by the media, people looked away from what the bankers were doing.

Now here's the point, it really makes no difference now, because they, the print media, have created another beast that they will have to recon with at some point, the trust between men and women is at an all time low, men don't want to get married and are refusing in greater numbers because they are waking up to the fact that it's actually a really raw deal.

Women are more miserable than ever, having to work harder and longer to support themselves and having to sacrifice those things they actually want. Men are refusing to offer help to women, and women are finding that equality is a bit of a bitch. Men more and more are laughing at women, you are strong and independent so be that.

Of course there are simps and only fans boys, but that's always been the case where we've had weak and ineffectual men who lack any form of competence at the basic thing of being a man, these things will die out, simply because they are viewed by women and the women they pay for as slobbering idiots only good for an income, if they starve or lose their homes nobody cares and certainly not the woo they pay for.

Some might try to argue that they do care, my shout back is, if you care, if you actually care then give that man back the money he paid you.

Not going to happen.

So what can you do, in short nothing, there really isn't anything to do other than laugh. Recognise the double standards, hold women to account and to the same standards they hold you and be clear about it, no I will not help you, you are an equal, no I will not sacrifice anything of mine or myself for you, you are an equal, you are strong and independent and I expect you to behave that way.

Work on yourself, fix those things that you judge to be broken and need fixing, health, physique, money, whatever. Move forward with your life and goals.

Find your own peace and happiness.

Avoid marriage and cohabiting. Refuse if possible, if not refuse marriage, at all costs.

Refuse to protect or provide, you are more valuable than that.

Refuse to raise another man's child, they already have a father and don't need another one.

Refuse to be a roll model, the future is female so in a society that seems you evil why are you now expected to be a roll model for the next generation of evil.

Refuse to bow down to society and refuse to sacrifice yourself for society. If that means register to vote and get the draft, don't vote. Let some woman take her place in the next battle, they are the future, remember, let them do the fighting and dying for it.

Make yourself strong mentally and physically, take up a martial art, and learn to cope with adversity and even enjoy it.

Be ambitious and go after your life goals, do the things you need to, to get where you want to be.

Find peace and your own happy areas and make the most of them.

Be prepared, society in the west doesn't have that long left before it will fail, when that happens you'll be ordered to help, to fix it, to sacrifice yourself to the greater good, to forget how you are seen and have been judged and treated.

Don't forget, don't make yourself a sacrifice, refuse it and reply with, I wasn't good enough then, I'm not good enough now.

Aquire wealth and resources, and use them for the things you enjoy.

Nagoda94 · 2021-02-03T04:09:32+00:00

There's a saying in my mothers tongue "People throw rocks at the tree with most fruits" same goes here. They throw rocks at us because we're a bunch of men with positive attitudes.

[deleted] · 2021-02-03T04:18:20+00:00

There are a select few who are, generally speaking, assholes who may take it to the absolute extreme.

Just like some feminists who want all men to die (which seems to be a normal thing for them now), some get really strange ideas when they should take a big step back and think about it logically.

Also they hate the fact we don't give them attention

random13980 · 2021-02-03T04:44:52+00:00

It’s because there are quite a few incels in the community honestly. That’s why modern day feminism is a joke, so many people who hate men use it as a term to hide behind. Then there’s also women who are pissed that we don’t need to depend on them.

QueenSlapFight · 2021-02-03T04:56:56+00:00

Because the narrative serves the powers that be. They want any man thinking for himself to be considered "misogynistic". If he doesn't sacrifice his future. health, wealth, and well-being for some damsel in distress, he's "misogynistic". They want slaves and consumers for the system. Have a penis? Welcome to slavery. Have a vagina? Use it to make some penis slave away so you can consume. Welcome to the future.

Pattyncocoabread · 2021-02-03T02:45:28+00:00

We threaten thier egos.

UnearthlyDinosaur · 2021-02-03T06:08:42+00:00

If you aren’t bowing down to women, you are a misogynist

MeltEarthToSea · 2021-02-03T05:34:51+00:00

Because you can't say " No ! " to women. They can say no to you, but don't you dare say no to them. It's all just a massive feminist ego trip.

A double standard wankfest imposed by the left. So insecure are some of these feminist type women, that they rave against sex dolls.

OK, to each their own, not for me, but how insecure do you have to be in order to perceive a piece of plastic as a threat to you because it steals male attention away. Do men rave against dildos because they take away attention, we don't. See how men and women are fundamentally different ? It's all in their egos.

One of the reason women hate video games is because it robs them of attention.

They hate the fact that for the last 50 years, they've been giving men the run around and now there is a response by a lot of healthy young men to their B.S, and they do not like it.

They want to be the center of attention, the princess, and the equal to a man in each and every way, but that is just not going to happen.

Silver_The_Bard · 2021-02-03T05:53:31+00:00

Propaganda.

They want people to think MGTOW is evil by pointing the finger at fringe extremists and claim that we are all like that.

Rarely will you find well organized research and journalism on MGTOW. It's out there, just difficult to find.

MerryGifmas · 2021-02-03T18:53:53+00:00

It's not really a lie. A toxic minority acted in a way that's consistent with those 'lies' and the wider community didn't do enough to condemn them so everyone gets painted with the same brush. It's the same thing that happened to the feminist movement - a few crazies tarnished the whole group.

Just look at what sub you're in: r/MGTOW2 A second community had to be created to get away from the r/MGTOW cesspit but adding a 2 on the end isn't enough to escape the stigma.

stingadingding17 · 2021-02-03T03:45:47+00:00

It’s actually very simple. Two words: liberals/feminists. That’s what it boils down to. They have pushed this narrative that men have “male priveledge” and that all women are oppressed victims of the patriarchy. Anything that doesn’t fit that narrative should be tossed out according to them

Philosophipster · 2021-02-03T11:35:31+00:00

I think the main issue is that it’s online. Just as youtube comment sections can be toxic, so are “feminists” online in their judgement and power.

I assume this is due to a lot of big socially oriented corp., with a majority of female users or with morals/freedom that could potentially fear backlashes from “feminist”, are at risk of being deleted by cancel culture.

This is lead by online opinion forming/propaganda, so all forums/thinktanks/male safespaces/etc that go against that culture are deemed evil. Classic “good” vs “evil” mindset. So therefore we must be deleted. Very reminiscent of the 2nd world war mindset of the axis.

On these online platforms there is no freedom of speech, just user agreements and companies trying to stay afloat amongst this madness by adjusting their policies (read: be at the beck and call of jobless “feminist” complaining online and on social media)

Just make sure you have no ties back to your real identity; as that will be misconstrued as misogynist as well, when linked to these kinda forums. No matter if you’re 99% a good person, this label will be your judgement. Just how men, who probably hurt these women, judge sluts or shame women without morals, so will they so to us. Even tho we are simply men looking to improve ourselves.

Use discretion as you main tool online and scrub your socials or anything linked to your online activities related to communities labeled “toxic” by people who have no idea about it: it’s fear that drives these pitchfork “feminists”. So give them what they want by disappearing. Eventually they will pick on each other until we can reenter society when this nonsense passes over.

TL;DR: only use internet to get information that helps you grow, like a library, build freedom/wealth at work and avoid trouble/unwanted attention from crazies at all costs.

cz_masterrace · 2021-02-03T22:23:02+00:00

Society reinforces their ideals of what is considered "right" or "wrong." It's a self fulfilling prophecy. It's why female genital mutilation is a continual thing and perpetuated not by men, but women. Right now, the SJW and feminist movements are being thrown at society full force and everyone is enforcing it as normal. It's actually fairly easy to manipulate society if you are the ones at the top pulling strings.

Jakeybaby125 · 2021-02-03T08:44:31+00:00

Ok, first of all, one thing to make very clear: MGTOW is not a movement. It is a philosophy. Now, addressing your main point, it's because the one thing women hate the most is indifference and, thanks to our gynocentric society and gamma bias, whatever women hate, society hates. Indifference is worse than hate to them because, if you hate them, that means you're still giving them attention and they love attention

LongTimeOn · 2021-02-03T07:20:20+00:00

Because the idea that men might decide not to support women threatens the "system". We're ATM's to the system, thus anything that gives us agency and allows us off the plantation is to be labelled as evil and squashed. They want us to be good little providers, paying our taxes and supporting the whamen (who are the consumers in society) to keep things ticking along.

kapriece · 2021-02-03T22:12:59+00:00

Because men deserve not one place to express themselves. This is the general consensus. Remember out there they say men are bad and call is everything under the sun. So when we say we'll do something ourselves other than bow down, they're like wait we didn't mean it like that. Think about it this way because its about control: Peaceful protestors are always told how they should protest until they do it and then people want move the goal post by saying don't do it that way. You're left thinking - how then? We choose to cut woman out, not because of hate but because we choose to do our own thing outside of the norm. We want to live in peace. We want to spend our money in peace. We have proved we can love ourselves and live without them. They need us not the other way around like the current narrative founded by beta males. Why do you think they infilo our spaces. They hate to seeen happy. Go watchbyoutube. There are hundreds of channels filled with female subs who enjoy making us miserable. These women only want our seed and our resources and want us to shut the fuck up in the process. After all that I don't hate them. Misogyny has hate attached to it but if we let these women frame the narrative and don't help male YouTubers by supporting their platforms then our message will be drowned out. What ever they call us will become true bc we were silent. We are the tip of the spear in a gender war gentleman. Propaganda is one element to the war. Women struck first with feminism and rejecting gender roles. They've been talking shit for the past 50 years, getting what they want,. and they still aren't happy. All that's left are the beta males and they are pissed. Funny thing is if we leave social media platforms and any space with women in it, even they would leave. I get it. We're tired of the bullshit. We don't engage them directly and speak our truth. I support a lot of youtubers who preach our message. I enjoy the fireworks on the comment sections. It lets me know its working. End rant. Shirts and apparel coming soon

Such_Temporary_9597 · 2021-02-03T16:29:35+00:00

The first thing is that its not a movement its a philosophy if it were a movement we would march outside los Angeles in blue penis hats like them and recruit outside colleges

For every man who becomes mgtow is one less man who goes to the plantation they figured out mgtows are not just guys in a mothers basement we are chefs we are truck drivers,stock brokers, plumbers, carpenters ect.

mjladieman · 2021-02-03T22:13:32+00:00

Is this considered a movement? I thought it was a philosophy.

not_onmy_watch · 2021-02-03T05:58:57+00:00

Because most of the posts in MGTOW forums are about women and how much they are lying bitches and they suck to date, work with, be friends with, etc. Rarely anything about male improvement

Solo413 · 2021-02-04T03:46:53+00:00

The average age of this forum is 18... You cant expect much...

Bastard-of-the-North · 2021-02-03T07:17:05+00:00

There’s a vocal minority of MGTOW who can’t move on from spitting on women as a form of “going their own way.” They don’t understand that going their own way can’t be achieved while trashing women. So.. yeah

ccz-85741 · 2021-02-03T11:55:04+00:00

Any time a guy looks out for his own interests he's called a misogynist. But, women can screw every man over at will freely. Welcome to TRP. We're taking back our agency one man at a time.

BenTennyson2101 · 2021-02-03T08:20:34+00:00

Why does it matter what a random cuck tells about us?

Sh0w_Me_Y0ur_Kitties · 2021-02-03T22:10:47+00:00

“Why are we accused of manospheres and mansplaining?”....”feminism exists because we allow it.” You ran face first into the point and still missed it.

TarkenBodyShield · 2021-02-04T03:42:31+00:00

Feminists, aided by the news media, are doing everything they can to control the narrative. They don't like pesky upstart groups like MGTOW and the Red Pillers. That takes away their control and they cannot have that. They have created whole industries based on their lies.

SuperSupremeKai · 2021-02-03T10:46:45+00:00

Anything that opposes feminism, girl power or FDS is automatically called misogynistic.

daproest1 · 2021-02-03T03:37:31+00:00

Saying just “women” is misogynistic.

Silencio00 · 2021-02-03T18:58:21+00:00

Because if you don't worship women it means you hate women. There is no middle ground for them.

Schaafwond · 2021-02-03T20:53:47+00:00

here on Reddit it's always soyboys and sjws complaining of how this sub is a "manosphere" and how most of us "mansplain" (don't understand why they make up these words something abt being a man triggers them).

Why are feminists allowed to celebrate their femininity while men are ridiculed and shamed for celebrating masculinity? The only reason feminists exist is because we allow it if we are being totally honest.

I mean, Jesus Christ, read your own fucking words and there's your answer.

monkeestatuE · 2021-02-03T17:51:48+00:00

True path is in monkmode while holding it to the moon🤑,lik a real ape!

iRombe · 2021-02-03T22:46:47+00:00

I wonder if it counts as mansplaining if I explain something to another man.

Now anytime a dude explains something something me I'm gonna be like quit mansplaining bro

dachengchuan · 2021-02-03T17:23:42+00:00

as long as you do not comply to the propaganda and the political agenda (to destroy men and masculinity) they shame ypu/us all the time, so every thing they say against mgtow proves we are a danger

gfyacab · 2021-02-03T17:00:01+00:00

Fuck feminazis and sjws. Who cares what they say and think

NinjaSupplyCompany · 2021-02-03T22:47:44+00:00

Here’s how to not sound like an asshole:

Don’t ever say shit like “all women do this” or “all women are like this”

That will immediately make you sound like a pice of shit because you have not met all women or even a large enough percent to make your statement statistically viable.

Instead speak from personal experience and make sure you frame it as such.

dicklaurent97 · 2021-02-03T13:49:32+00:00

Focus on yourself. Spend your 20s preparing for your 30s then laugh at everyone who didn’t.

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Solo413 · 2021-02-03T11:24:27+00:00

Your last sentence is the answer to your question....

Because some dumbasses say stupid shit and we all pay the price for it.

Solo_and_Simple · 2021-02-03T13:24:27+00:00

Because you live in a culture that prizes the feminine and disrespects the masculine.
Anything critical of women is shut down. One of the ways you shut things down is by labelling them "misogyny" or "hate speech." It's a tactic used to silence.
Because by labeling something misogyny, you don't have to listen to those opinions, take them seriously, or even think about them. It eliminates cognitive dissonance and the need to consider other perspectives.
Because some guys in this space do express ideas that are misogynistic.

Solo413 · 2021-02-03T11:38:54+00:00

Its because people who dont know what it is will degrade it for content. And losers like below will bring negative attention with stupid passive aggressive comments. Half the guys here are acting worse than the women they bitch about... Trying to convince each other they have value...

KaiserEspinoza · 2021-02-03T12:28:59+00:00

The same reason that anyone who voted for Trump is an evil nazi hitler bigot.

When the narrative is challenged, it's easier to just shut down and avoid instead of using that thing between your ears.

GTFO_Lmao · 2021-02-03T20:22:08+00:00

Because there is too much bitching about women. Look at mgtow1, or even some of the content creators. Making blanket statements about an entire gender will have backlash. Just being honest.

plamplamthrow0321 · 2021-02-03T21:43:57+00:00

Giving men good advice = toxic

rickyroyal37 · 2021-02-03T22:15:37+00:00

Because men going their own way is a threat to social norms and those who benefit you not questioning the rules.

mebf109 · 2021-02-04T00:59:26+00:00

why they make up these words...

soyboys, Chads, libtards, ReTrumplicans, snowflake, yuppie, cuck, and on and on and on...

Name-calling is an attack on a person instead of addressing their reasons for being or believing what they are/believe. It's a form of the ad hominem fallacy. Dumb people depend on it because they don't know how to make effective arguments.

As an exercise, we could try to avoid name-calling in our posts. Except for "fuck-face" and "asshole". :)

Also, men are allowed to celebrate masculinity. We are also allowed to hate whomever we wish to hate should we chose to hate. But there will be blowback. It's all based on how high a price one is willing to pay to do and say what one wants to do and say.

mercinerary · 2021-02-03T19:00:28+00:00

It’s not the celebrating masculinity they oppose, it’s the hating on women. MGTOWers hold very negative views of women and like to treat them as a hive mind (AWALT) essentially assuming that women have less individuality than men

dudemonky2 · 2021-02-03T12:58:50+00:00

it doesn't fit the narrative and that current narrative is that men have power, wealth, and society to back them up. they find the opposition of a male based organization that's saying "we have problems as well", to be antagonizing. its the whole "feminism is for men too". in reality it is but only if you agree with the tropes of toxic masculinity and anything cascading from it.

also, its easier to radicalize your base than it is to possibly lose some of your following for the sake of bipartisanism. there's money to be made with creating a passionate and die hard following. look at Anita Sarkisian, lily Singh etc etc.. your less likely to get a strong, motivated audience from saying "oh well they have stuff going on as well."

EscargotDelicious · 2021-02-04T01:27:59+00:00

How can you associate with people like that and read this feminist poison ?

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-02-04T20:36:07+00:00

I think it's because we don't invite girls into our clubhouse. Who knows, we don't care what society thinks really.

FYI This is not a movement, MGTOW is a Phenomena. It's a choice.

The Manosphere is an umbrella term for all cyber spaces such as websites, chat rooms, forums, blogs, YouTube Channels, and Subreddits where men congregate at the exclusion of women.

Feminists invented the term "mansplaining" as a psychological device to invalidate men's expressions. The word is meant to shame men into silence so that our side of the story isn't told and our version of events gets invalidated and cast out of the public narrative. Feminism is in it's essence a gender war against all things masculine and they feel the need to keep inventing these emotional and psychological weapons in order to employ them in their culture war against men the way the soviets would engage in an arms race against the West.

It is not a question of who is allowing feminists to celebrate anything. We do not ask for anyone's permission to be Masculine, nor to celebrate our own gender. If we feel the need we just go ahead and do it. We do not ask for permission. We don't give a fuck what society and especially feminists think about us. We live unapologetic lives, that is why we are MGTOW.

And yes, feminists only exist because we don't care enough about them to stop them from being a constant irritant and a nuisance in our lives. We don't do anything about feminists for the same reason we don't do anything about mosquitos except repel them when they become a seasonal pest in our lives and fumigate them when they become a plague. Feminism is Cancer and the only way to deal with any cancer is to cut it out. But if no cancer infects our health we need not worry much about it. This is why we don't worry too much about feminists until they become a pest because most of the time they are just a worthless nuisance that isn't worthy of our attention.

virginslayer694200 · 2021-02-03T07:36:49+00:00

I think it's cause some men generalize women and say that they all lie and cheat and hoes themself out for money. For some reason women don't like that lol.

Elrigoo · 2021-02-03T17:45:56+00:00

"why is this whole movement accused of being mysogynistic"? Easy, just read through all the comments here.

Title	Someone help me understand. Why is this whole movement accused of being "misogynistic" and all the other lies across the internet?
Author	TheVineyard1996
Upvotes	201
Comments	153
Date	February 3, 2021 12:30 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
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