UK: Don't tell schoolgirls to dress 'modestly'. How about boys quit perving instead? But the School uniform for boys is much stricter, (no shorts in the summer) and more formal than it is for girls!

masakothehumorless · 2015-11-16T02:07:11+00:00

I am reminded of one organizer of an event in Portland, Maine held a few years back. Basically, women in the event were to walk through the downtown with their shirts-off, exposing their breasts, trying to make the point that they had 'freedom' to do so. Freedom, it seems, was all-important in her argument. But the same organizer, in an interview after the fact, complained that some men had the gall to look and even snap pictures. Golly, but don't they have the freedom to do that?

Such head-scratchers...

wnoise · 2015-11-16T01:04:36+00:00

From the comments: Boys usually can't wear shorts and are forced to wear ties. Some schools even have a special comfortable summer uniform for girls, but not for boys. Equality is a one-way street.

http://ambividete.com/2015/05/16/the-head-may-have-the-final-say-but-gender-stereotyping-in-schools-starts-at-the-neck/

SirSkeptic · 2015-11-16T01:14:35+00:00

If the boys wore massive cod pieces wouldn't that distract the girls?

I'd like to see a resurgence (chortle) of cod pieces. "Don't tell me how to dress! Stop perving." "Hey, my eyes are waaaaay up here, sunshine." "It's not intimidating, I'm expressing my sexuality."

Kinbaku_enthusiast · 2015-11-16T09:00:10+00:00

boys aren't shamed for their sexuality

No, they're under criminal investigation for sexual harassment at 9 years of age for sending love notes.

Tmomp · 2015-11-16T04:36:26+00:00

"Perv?" What exactly do they mean by this term? It sounds sexist to me. Why not call female behavior pervy? While I'm sure some boys do things that few would consider acceptable, so do girls. And many boys don't.

Is the article suggesting no girls do anything "pervy?" It sounds like they're catching all masculinity up with the term.

chavelah · 2015-11-16T11:36:38+00:00

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011225.html

The way many women dress today, with half their breasts exposed, is an expression of total disrespect for men. Men are left with three possible responses. To grab the woman, which is illegal; to ogle the woman, which is socially unacceptable; or to affect not to notice the woman at all, which is emasculating. A culture that normalizes such female behavior—i.e. not only not noticing or objecting to it, but prohibiting any objection to it—is extremely sick.

This touches on the basic fact that men, as men, are ineradicably interested in the sight of semi-denuded women. This is so basic to what men are that to disregard it is an open challenge to his status as a man, forcing him to pretend at being something other than what he is, compelling him to assent by his silence to an obvious lie. Men do not walk around half-naked precisely because it is obscene, and because women are not interested in seeing them dressed that way. For women to pretend there is no sexual component to dressing in ways so revealing that they go far beyond what is even practical or comfortable, is really just a quintessentially feminine, passive-aggressive kind of power play.

It seems to me that women dress this way specifically in order to tease and intimidate men. It’s as though they’re saying, “just look at what you can’t have. That’s right, if you touch me you’ll be criminally prosecuted, if you stare at me or make catcalls you’ll be considered rude and beyond the bounds of decency, so you just have to sit there being tantalized, squirming in your seat and pretending not to notice, and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it!” This then increases their sexual power over men and their social standing vis-a-vis men, since they know that many men follow their instincts and can’t help but go out of their way to please or defer to an attractive woman.

This explains why feminists, who were formerly so enraged about women being seen as “sexual objects,” go into a fit of hysteria whenever someone criticizes women’s revealing attire. They know it’s a way for women to challenge and intimidate men.

The intimidation that Mr. McLaughlin refers to is but another variation on the standard intimidation that has used since the Sixties to silence anyone who would protest any aspect of sexual liberation: “You’re uptight. You’ve got a problem with sex.” No human being wants to be told this, and so the liberationist culture has a stranglehold on those who would even think of criticizing it. Further, as Mr. M. points out, it is pitiful that Peter Hitchens, a middle-aged, well-established, “conservative,” and at least nominally Christian writer, feels compelled to rush to assure his readers that he personally has no problem with women going around half naked in public and in fact rejoices at the sight.

This shows how EVERYONE today, including virtually all “conservatives,” are under the sway of the liberal culture and do not stand on an independent ground from which they feel able to criticize it.

Sinsilenc · 2015-11-16T08:04:44+00:00

Why does a woman have to dress ‘modestly’ so long as she looks professional? And what’s wrong with 20 denier?

Dressing modestly is professional. If you aren't dressed modestly, you are not dressed professionally. Unless you're an underwear model or something.

or told to cross our legs so we didn’t show our underwear in our skirts.

The horror... clearly underage girls should be taught that it's totally fine to spread their legs open while wearing skirts.

And I'm sure a boy wearing a kilt doing the same wouldn't be told to not do that...

We didn’t feel like we’d done anything wrong

There's that useless word...

If schools want to ensure that the next generation grow up without damaging stereotypes, they need to stop demanding that girls start covering up at the first sign of puberty - or before.

That's funny to me, as I remember in middle school a boy being sent home because he was wearing a muscle shirt and the reason for it is that boys going through puberty are smelly, and starting to become hairy and it's a distraction.

Funcuz · 2015-11-16T07:27:33+00:00

Well, why even tell the girls to wear anything at all ? I mean it's obviously too restrictive and boys have no right to be distracted by naked girls so let's just do away with the middleman.

Somebody missed the point of dress codes and uniforms.

TheDude41 · 2015-11-16T04:02:55+00:00

Good god, I wish there were more all-boys schools so I could protect my children against these monstrous school administrators and teachers.

BagelBenny · 2015-11-16T01:38:42+00:00

You can't unlearn natural biologically driven behavior. Young boys don't perv for malicious intent it's because they're going through biological changes that they can't control. Girls have every capability to control what they wear who is the one being unreasonable and selfish in this situation?

192873982 · 2015-11-16T13:31:56+00:00

I am pro school uniforms.

I always found it weird that some kids would compete over having better clothes. Also school uniforms look cool and they create a sense of unity between the pupils of the same school.

Also with school uniforms, you can't dress too modest or too revealing, since there is only one type of clothing.

Also boys look at girls, that's just a fact. If people can't take that, they should probably live in a monastery.

Also I know that some girls in Japan roll up the skirts a little to make it shorter and be more revealing. If that goes too far, I can understand that this would be seen as wrong.

ExpendableOne · 2015-11-16T15:17:31+00:00

If the feminist movement had any consistency, their stance on that would be "instead of telling boys what not to wear, how about we tell girls not to be sluts instead!". Calling teen men perverts and shaming them for their sexuality should not be an acceptable response. You don't want modesty to be imposed on those teenage women? Fine, but then just say "modesty shouldn't have to be imposed on teens" instead of "teach boys not to look at them or want to have sex with them, because that makes them predators if they do and women are oppressed by men being sexually interested in them". That kind of reasoning is all kinds of fucked up, and it is sexism too.

v573v · 2015-11-16T12:12:53+00:00

Boys are not perverts.

It's the girls that get distracted by fashion. Who's wearing what? Red carpet events? Fashion magazines? All are female dominated interests.

Uniforms and dress codes prevent girls from getting distracted with fashion competitiions and female bullying.

Stop using boys like this.

2015-11-16T14:31:03+00:00

Women dressing immodestly is the female equivalent of perving.

Rethgil · 2015-11-16T22:13:13+00:00

This has always been such a total hypocrisy of feminism. Needs to be highlighted and changed.

doomsought · 2015-11-16T02:41:54+00:00

Clothing is a form of communication. Immodest dress is a signal for sexual availability. We don't want students screaming "FUCK ME!" at the top of their lungs during class, why should we let them do it with their cloths.

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