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so, some women are petitioning to get a family court judge removed. only reasons given were that "he is a mans rights advocate" and "he keeps giving the dads a chance" reddit, make this the face of sexism facing men

billsfan716

August 10, 2015
1013 upvotes
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https://www.change.org/p/erie-county-family-court-judge-kevin-carter-remove-him-from-the-bench?recruiter=357324868&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
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Title so, some women are petitioning to get a family court judge removed. only reasons given were that "he is a mans rights advocate" and "he keeps giving the dads a chance" reddit, make this the face of sexism facing men
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billsfan716

Upvotes 1013
Comments 75
Date August 10, 2015 8:16 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3gi83z/so_some_women_are_petitioning_to_get_a_family/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/so-some-women-are-petitioning-to-get-a-family.973599
https://theredarchive.com/post/973599

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[–]bougabouga 196 points197 points198 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

petition has 82 people as of now, don;t give it attention.

OP just delete this, this is exactly what she wants, more people to see this.

[–]HugeSaladFork 25 points26 points27 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Also I'd wager this is getting highly upvoted by our trolls.

[–]The_0bserver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

98 / 100 right now.

So low requirement....

[–]bougabouga 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it's not a requirement, it's more of incentive that change.org does to keep on pushing for big participation.

Once it reaches 100 it will go to 150 then 300 then 500 then 1000 and so on.

[–]The_0bserver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah ok. Didin't know that. Thanks. :)

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

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[–]gherald 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You do not have to be 'okay with' something to want to avoid giving it more attention than it deserves

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]bougabouga 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

this petition is no threat to that judge because barely anyone signed it.

The only way to get more people to sign it is by giving it attention, which is what you are doing.

If you want the petition to be ineffective, don't give it attention and it will go away.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]captain_craptain 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn't our place to interject into her life and fuck with her job if she works. That's the nasty inexcusable kind of shit that the extremists opposite of our cause try to pull. Don't sink to their level, even if you were successful what have you really accomplished beyond taking money out of her pocket and by default the kids? It might even drive up the fathers maintenance payment or put her on welfare which we all pay for.

Plus everyone else is right, publicizing her petition is the opposite of supporting this father or this judge who will be fair to other fathers. Assuming he is a fair judge to both men and women that is. What do we even know about him?

[–]bougabouga 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No it wouldn't, this petition will be gone in less then 24h if you just let it go into obscurity.

[+][deleted] -30 points-29 points-28 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

im sorry you are so afraid. unfortunately there is nothing more i can do for you. good luck

[–]Zekkystyle 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a really bad insult.

[–]captain_craptain 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Just take it easy, you've made a mistake in posting this. Just swallow the pride and click delete.

[+][deleted] -14 points-13 points-12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

have a good day

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points87 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

"Judge Carter has also received outstanding Judicial Ratings from the Erie County Bar Association and the Women’s Bar Association Western New York Chapter."

Must be a sexist pig then.

I've flagged the petition as inappropriate and included this message;

"I feel that this petition is the result of bitterness and not an accurate representation of the situation. The comments are full of offensive language and I even saw one commenter asking if anyone knew the address of the man that they are defaming.

The petition has broken the guidelines as they have not given sufficient information relating to the cause and therefore a person cannot possibly make the decision to support the cause without further researching the matter.

As a regular user of Change.org, I would be most disappointed to learn that the website helped to harm a man's reputation and potentially risk his career. Therefore, I would be grateful if you could look into this.

I do hope that you can help."

[–]speedisavirus 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

How does one flag it

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It took me a few minutes to find. It's underneath the comments, above 'Trending petitions', in very small font. You may have to be registered on the website, I'm not sure.

[–]speedisavirus 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You may. I signed in and noticed it pretty quickly. Also came across this gem...

Change the name of the Amazon Mom program to Amazon Family

https://www.change.org/p/jeff-bezos-change-the-name-of-the-amazon-mom-program-to-amazon-family?source_location=trending_petitions_home_page&algorithm=curated_trending

Didn't know that amazon had that but it sort of pisses me off for some reason.

[–]GreatAndromedaNebula 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I was at the Amazon All-Hands announcement for this. It is because women spend 80% of the family budget. It is a shameless pander.

[–]20rakah 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

that's excluding stuff like rent/mortgage iirc

[–]rlaptop7 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

80% of the family budget spent at amazon I suppose.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IIRC it's 80% of disposable income.

[–]1337Gandalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I don't personally shop anywhere that excludes me...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the link, I've signed that one!

[–]Luigee3310 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gives you the option at the bottom of the page. I flagged it as well

[–]strav 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very bottom of the page.

[–]Gnashtaru 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I flagged it as well.

[–]Rex9 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I flagged it as inappropriate. Women are a really entitled bunch nowadays.

[–]Ted8367 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

From one of the comments:

The judge ... granted him visitation in2014 even though I've had sole custody since 2006 even though records show he has no rights to my son he, paid no child support to my son and was rarely ever in his life.

He had no rights to her son, presumably because he "paid no child support". I guess she is annoyed the judge gave him "visitation" because it preempted her from selling it.

I've had sole custody since 2006

... and, remarkably,

he ... was rarely ever in his life.

[–]gonzotw 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Another couple of Gems...

"Im signing because only a mom has that bond with there babies that no man could have"

Yeah, that's not sexist at all...

And...

"I've jumped through hoops and dedicated my life to my kids and yet Mr. Carter keeps giving their deadbeat dads chances! When I say deadbeat I mean no child support in 13 years, drug addicts, abusive and liars!! He is a fathers rights activist and gives deadbeat dads all the chances in the world. Luckily my son grew up to know better! Get him off the bench!"

How many different men did this lady have kids with? Judging by her comment, at least 4. They're all such terrible people yet SHE HAD CHILDREN WITH THEM.

[–]derpylord143 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'Another couple of Gems...

"Im signing because only a mom has that bond with there babies that no man could have"

Yeah, that's not sexist at all...'

I may be wrong, but neurologically speaking dont men undergo brain changes to become more caring etc... im pretty certain thats a damn good bond right their...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/new-fathers-experience-brain-change-to-bond-with-their-child-9940117.html http://www.iflscience.com/brain/becoming-father-can-rewire-mans-brain

and to stop a father having a bong... you know by being a sole parent... prevents them having a bond... so y'know youre stopping a bond between father and child, thus making it one only a mother could have.... if that makes sense?

[–]pnw_diver 57 points58 points59 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If bias on gender issues were grounds for removing a judge from the bench, then we'd have to have change.org petitions for every feminist judge in America, and removing them from the bench would probably shut down the justice system with the sheer number of vacancies.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Number357 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But not the great Judge Judy! She was a family judge for a while before her show and supports a presumption of joint custody

[–]NotARealAtty 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's actually a required presumption in most jurisdictions. Whether it's followed is another story, but it would be an ethics violation in these jurisdictions to discuss a general presumption in favor of mother or father.

[–]RedditorJemi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To discuss it? First of all, I don't even know about that. The 'tender years' doctrine seems to result in a de facto presumption of maternal custody in some cases, and I would not doubt it could be discussed openly by a judge... Secondly, reading through the first ten or so entries in this guide to state custody laws, the trend seems to be 'no presumption'. The one exception I saw was Florida, which explains Chase Hironimus's current horrible situation.

Actually, the whole Chase Hironimus issue seems to me to indicate that unless something is done about really bad family court judges, presumption of joint custody would actually do harm rather than good.

[–]njskypilot 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men complain all the time...nothing is done. Women complain, different story.

NJ women call for Judges removal

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

funny how things go when you dont get everything handed to you isnt it?

[–]Alarid 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When the majority of divorces are instigated by women, I find myself hard pressed to muster sympathy.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are pros and cons to lifetime judicial appointments. But I think this petition highlights the value of lifetime appointments when it comes to constitutional issues such as sexual autonomy, family law, and custody. I don't like the idea of my fundamental liberties being subjected to a vote.

Most of the "reasons" given for signing the petition are the inflammatory "save-the-children!" tripe favored by scoundrels everywhere.

[–]Adrewmc 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Lifetime judicial appoints make the law consistent. If we had to argue gay marriage or abortion before the highest court every year, we wouldn't be able to have law and order.

It's simple to change the judges decision, make the law different. It difficult to change a judges opinion when he has no threat from you.

A bad decision is your opinion, an ever changing court membership is a disaster. The court ought to make ruling and stick to them, and change slowly determinate on the result of that decision, we found separate is inherently unequal so the decision was changed to reflect that realization. It was not obvious at that time as not are most the cases that the court takes, they take the case usually when other judges below them are already in disagreement.

Justice Rehnquist once made remarks saying that one of the greatest powers of the court is that it can see the result of both decisions, for and against, in reality before they make a final ruling.

We respect some people enough to believe they reason well enough to be in disagreement with ourselves in all honestly (and in certain instances be able to interpret the law correctly and disagree with it), and trust that they don't disagree lightly, those are the people we ought to appoint for the position and for the most we have.

[–]tallwheel 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. What a lazy petition. 100 signatures required? Where's the description? And that letter is a joke. Ignore this crap.

[–]hork23 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what I've seen it always starts like that then it turns into 250 sigs then more and more. No idea why it does this. Maybe it marks it each time it hits a threshold and advertises it?

[–]IcarusBurning 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We really don't know whether or not any of the grievances in the signers' comments hold any water. At face value, however, trying to remove someone from the bench for being a "fathers' rights activist" is pretty shitty.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

You've got to love the grammar in those comments.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate when people think bias is an adjective.

[–][deleted] -31 points-30 points-29 points 10 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

what do you expect without a man around to keep them in line?

edit: the sticks in butts are real here....it was irony. loosen up

[–]Daemonicus 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not what irony is.

[–]hork23 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sarcasm is the word you are looking for. /s to mark as such since determining it in writing is difficult.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I thought intelligence was a gendered trait (which I don't) you just proved me wrong.

[–]SpaceDog777 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't be bothered to look up the study so take this with a grain of salt, but IIRC the bell curve for intelligence in men ends is wider than for women. It ends higher, but also starts lower.

[–]sillymod[M] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

People don't need to loosen up. You were clearly shown that your comment is not relevant here, not welcome here, according to the general response. The reddit system did its job perfectly.

In a regular society, a person ends up adjusting their behaviour based on social consequences. Social consequences are easily averted on the internet. Reddit has a system to reintroduce that by allowing voting. You just got told that your behaviour isn't welcomed by others.

Fortunately, they are just fictitious internet points. What are you going to do in response? Insist that your behaviour is acceptable, despite the obvious social backlash against it, and find a community where you are accepted? Or are you going to perhaps re-evaluate your behaviour in light of this updated information, and try to become a person that other people like more?

I can't tell you which is better. Clearly this entire sub is based on the idea that the "common sentiment" is not necessarily a "good sentiment" or the "right sentiment". But now is your time to decide for yourself what is more important. Do you think it is more important to be able to say things that are casually demeaning towards women, and deal with the social fight that ensues, or maybe you think that it isn't worth saying such things?

You have personal growth to be done, either way.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

nice story. dont care.

[–]sillymod 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you are just here to push a narrative and you don't actually care about the issues beyond that narrative?

I see. You have basically just stated that you are not worthy of concern, and everyone should ignore you.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes. im sure here to push my agenda, i actually make tin foil hats. and you sir have been my largest benefactor, thank you. my god what an idiot, i swear those are the types that got mad when they found out the "mermaid" discovery channel special was fake lol

[–]Sarge-Pepper -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow. That's some straight up red pill there. That type of shit ain't too welcome here.

[–]Nach_Rap 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not even remotely close to Red Pill ideology.

[–]eREKTi0n 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You.

[–]CokeSmellsGood 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you wot m8. That wasn't red pill that was just straight up misogyny. There is a clear difference.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously dude? That was heinous.

[–]proudfangirl 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"He treats all cases the same and they deserve a little more attention than that."

Really? If that's not bias then what is?

[–]intensely_human 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Does anyone here have actual knowledge of this judge?

[–]bobbage 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

------E

[–]MisdemeanorOfTheMind 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Solution: require that the petition consist of 50% men and 50% women +/- 5%

[–]iamz3ro 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only way that could work is if you had to upload and get your passport/drivers licence verified, in order to make an account.

[–]vhisic 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dont link strait to the petition... geeeze i almost signed it. Lucky i had my reading glasses on.

[–]hawker101 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I almost did as well, and I already had my glasses on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So... are you in any way sure this guy actually doesn't deserve the criticism he's getting?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OP, please delete this. Your link is driving the petition. Lots of traffic comes through here, including our detractors, and they'll sign this petition just out of spite.

Just leave this to the people of Eerie county - by itself, this petition isn't gaining much traction beyond disgruntled parents. No need to politicize it.

[–]chuckstables 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Take this post down it's just feeding the petition. I love how angry these feminazi's are getting though, "Oh no how dare that judge treat men like women are treated in family court settings, I should automatically get 100% custody of our children when we break up in addition to 2000 dollars a month in alimony and 2400 a month in child support while i sit around and make no attempt to obtain gainful employment or begin a career. He must be misogynist, BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! JUSTICE! JUSTICE! JUSTICE! JUSTICE!. He probably raped a girl too, and then laughed about it! Fucking men, scum of the earth I tell you!".

Seriously, good on this judge for doing the right thing and giving men equal opportunity in the legal system.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if this gets big or anything it gets highly visible i give admins permission to delete

[–]ConfirmedCynic -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How did he manage to get appointed? Amazing.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

im guessing by being fair to all parties, something that dosent sit too well when you learn you will have to get a job to help take care of your kid

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