WomenAgainstFeminism tumblr reponds to feminist articles critical of them.

Marcruise · 2014-07-20T17:06:42+00:00

Also, this slightly older one (from February 2014) even anticipates the reaction.

TDenverFan · 2014-07-20T22:46:55+00:00

I thought this was a good one

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/77104_183418578534055_623489471_n.jpg

guywithaccount · 2014-07-20T17:02:00+00:00

“The perceptions that these women have about feminism is [sic] grossly misinformed. ‘Women Against Feminism’ paints feminists as man-haters who like to play the victim,” he says. “Feminism is not about oppressing men or playing the victim. ~~There are real systemic issues with the way women are treated in our society~~ Women are victims!

Fixed it.

The views of Rose and Greinke are further reiterated by the basic dictionary entry of feminism that is defined as “the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men” — which strongly contrasts what “Women Against Feminism” claims feminism to be.

Well, but it really doesn't, does it? I mean, that definition is actually a damning indictment of feminism. It doesn't say that feminism is for achieving gender equality, per se. What it says is that feminism advocates for more rights for women on the claim that this makes women more equal to men. Not more obligations or responsibilities for women. Not accountability for women's choices or actions. Not rights for men, or the expansion of male gender roles, or anything like that - there's nothing about helping men (or blacks, or gays, or any other group they pretend to advocate for). Just more and more and more rights for women, forever. And it's right there in the definition that they love so much and use as a shield against criticism.

And nothing in that definition says that they can't advocate for those more and more and more rights (which, at some point, really become entitlements and special privileges, since feminists believe in a grand conspiracy theory that makes it so men and women can never actually be equal no matter what) by being irrational man-hating bitches and bullies who lie about everything. That's not in there. So when they do that, it's not actually inconsistent with the dictionary definition.

AryaBarzan · 2014-07-20T19:35:12+00:00

Great response.

I always find it hilarious how feminists cannot comprehend the simple age-old phrase of:

Actions speak louder than words.

Yes, we're the ones that "misunderstand feminism" when this is the actions of feminism. Oh, but that's not important. A book from Bell Hooks is a better indicator of "feminism" than the actions of its own movement.

Redz0ne · 2014-07-20T21:50:59+00:00

No... A blog is not an article.

A Blog is a blog.

Conflating it with an article suggests news organization and that's not the kind of thing you want to have happen. It's why sites like Gawker/Jezebel/HuffingtonPostBlogs are not reliable sources of newsworthy information. They are only blogs and at their absolute best the most they can hope to be are op-ed columns.

BlindPelican · 2014-07-20T17:24:59+00:00

And I know what some will say: Those who skew the definition are not indicative of the movement. But that's shit, aye? When you let your vocal minority gain the upper hand, take the megaphone, pull hair, so to speak, you're sailing with farts for breeze. If [F]eminism wants to move anywhere it should accept that weeds have overtaken the flowers- the garden needs to be hosed and the seeds replanted. It's a whorticultural mess as it stands.

CyberToyger · 2014-07-20T22:04:26+00:00

I do not call myself a Masculist (I did for a few days before I stepped back and took a look at the bigger picture) for the same reason I am weary of anyone who calls themselves a Feminist; because it's a very broad and useless label. Masculism and Feminism encompass everything under the sun in regards to their specific gender.

Calling myself a Masculist does nothing to identify what my own personal beliefs and thoughts are in regards to the treatment of men; do I believe in some mirrored version of the Patriarchy theory? Do I believe that more or less Government is needed to change how men are treated, or perhaps more social changes rather than judicial/legal? Do I believe that silly shit like men being on the cover of romance novels is objectifying them, or do I believe that men being domestic abuse victims never crosses most people's minds is an actual problem? Do I believe that that women should stay in the kitchen, or that men and women (and anything in between) should be equal on the grounds that they're sovereign beings with agency? This is the problem. Masculism covers both Collectivist views and Individualist views, misogynistic and non-misogynistic views, views that call for more laws and views that call for less laws but better adherence to pre-existing ones. You have MRA's, MGTOW's, RedPillers, and even those assholes from ManhoodAcademy, who all can fall under the vague umbrella of Masculism. But our goals are all very different, and the way we view things varies as well.

It's the same way for Feminism, but, there is a conundrum that Masculism does not have; at the very heart of the vague ideology is Patriarchy Theory. I can count with one hand the number of Feminists I've ever so much as uttered a single sentence to who didn't believe in any form of Patriarchy theory. This is because most Feminist viewpoints all rely on some variation of Patriarchy theory; that in some way shape or form, all men are in a better position in society as a collective than women are, due to being men. Rather than looking at history and society objectively, Patriarchy theory ignores all of this and pins all of women's suffering and woes on men. And when the 'more reasonable' Feminists acknowledge that men may suffer in one way or another, they chalk it up to 'Patriarchy backfiring'; an inherently absurd notion on the grounds that a hierarchy designed to benefit men at the expense of women could possibly want to harm men in the process.

Take Child Support, for example. Some Feminists claim that Child Support is a creation of the Patriarchy because "men, who hold all the high-paying jobs, would rather throw money at a woman so she'll go away and raise the child on her own", while other Feminists claim that its dolled out "because women are seen as weaker and less capable of providing for themselves". In reality, it is a product of Traditionalism, a set of beliefs that values women (and children) over men. It theory, it is a haphazard way of trying to provide for the needs of a child no matter which parent is in custody of the child. In practice, it is often coupled with Alimony, and the mother is favored over the father when it comes time to grant custody. Were it a product of 'the Patriarchy', it wouldn't exist at all. In a Patriarchal society, either the father would retain custody of the child to raise as he sees fit, or, the mother would be forced to take care of it without any monetary assistance. After all, why would an insidious system designed to benefit men at the expense of women, a system that supposedly views women as unworthy of jobs and money, give custody AND money to the mother innumerably more often than the father? That doesn't sound like a Patriarchy to me, that sounds more like a plain old Oligarchy. That sounds like outdated Traditionalist 'values' being kept in place because it benefits women, like something that Feminist organizations aren't and will continue not to fight against, because despite all the faux outrage, it benefits women. It is something that may be vocally denounced by your 'average, non-radical Feminist', but never acted upon, never something that they take the steps to even try and reform or abolish outright. Meanwhile, neither do Feminist organizations, they along with 'radfems' are content with complaining about how 'sexist' it is to force a woman to raise the child on her own and how men should 'man up', but really they enjoy the monetary benefits. They see taking money from the boyfriend/husband and giving it to the mother as a way of 'achieving equality', because they pair it with their women-make-XX-cents-to-a-man's-dollar bullshit.

Take what you will from all of that. All of this is to say, I am neither a Masculist nor a Feminist, and I suggest that people who consider themselves rational call themselves neither as well.

I am an advocate for Individualism, for treating all people as individuals. I am an advocate for personal responsibility. I am an advocate for raising awareness of the issues that men face, without blaming women or some mythical entity, and offering suggestions on how to fix these problems. I am an advocate for social changes to social issues, real issues that effect real men; not crying over things like 'objectification in the media' as Feminists do, but rather fighting against stigmas that exist against men which lead to them being imprisoned despite being innocent, or ganged up on by white knights for defending themselves against a female aggressor, things of that nature. I am for the human race, and I am at no one's expense.

mikesteane · 2014-07-21T06:28:26+00:00

And that response is what you call beauty in simplicity.

JollyBard · 2014-07-20T22:24:00+00:00

From the same blog... Okay, um, people need to steer clear of this reactionary stuff. It's not because you're against a movement as a whole that you need to believe in the complete polar opposite. Foetuses aren't people, and birth control is necessary for the sexual freedom of the population. I mean, don't we want the poor to have access to birth control, too?

EDIT: Oh, dear.

noprotein · 2014-07-21T15:49:32+00:00

This makes me happy and feel like I haven't made the wrong choice by being brow-beaten into submission and acceptance. I hate disagreeing with some of my unbelievably smart, female friends but when they spout "30 things men have over women" and shit like that, I just have to speak up... often losing said friends.

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