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According to a software engineer working with dating apps, women are absolutely much more picky than men are

ilikelego1

June 7, 2024
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Title According to a software engineer working with dating apps, women are absolutely much more picky than men are
Author

ilikelego1

Upvotes 13
Comments 53
Date June 7, 2024 9:07 AM UTC
(2 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/ExRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/1da68eq/according_to_a_software_engineer_working_with/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/ExRedPill/according-to-a-software-engineer-working-with.1520815
https://theredarchive.com/post/1520815
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[–]caramelkoala45 52 points53 points54 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A redditor in a previous thread put it best 'The spray 'n pray approach ruins it for everyone. Women have their time wasted and guys waste their visibility on matches they don't actually want. Meanwhile it messes up every guy's visibility because they're competing for a place in a woman's queue with men who don't even want to be there.'

[–]mikey_weasel 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whenever I've seen a demographic breakdown it's usually shown men seriously outnumbering women, often something like 3-to-1.

I've also seen both online and in my real life more than one guy who just spams likes, with just liking everybody or having an extremely low threshold (liking 80%+).

That's been going on for more than a decade now (hell that post you linked to is years old) so it's not a new phenomena.

So I'm in no way surprised that the women who are on apps and trying are going to be more picky than the men (especially since men include the all-swipers helping skew the data)

[–]CaptinSuspenders 91 points92 points93 points 2 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

All this shows is that women are pickier than men on dating apps. Have you been a woman on a dating app? Most men don't have bios, half don't even half a clear picture of their face, many bios are explicitly sexual or misogynistic, etc. Ofc there are more rejections from women.

[–]ghostglasses 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a few guys who will swipe on every single woman on a dating app, hoping to hook up with ANYONE on the platform. Of course women are pickier than that. Women have a lot to lose meeting up with a stranger.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds reasonable.

[+]W-Pilled -30 points-29 points-28 points 2 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Women are more likely to want to date a man with their education level or greater and more likely to want a man that makes more money than they do

Men usually don't care how much money a woman makes or her education level

[–]floracalendula 22 points23 points24 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

And why is that? Wouldn't you want someone who can be on your level and take care of herself if something happened to you?

[+]W-Pilled -21 points-20 points-19 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

It wouldn't bother me how much she made, no.

I can take care of myself

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Of YOURSELF.

Exactly. Joining in a union with you changes that, especially when you have kids. Extra money helps.

[+]W-Pilled -23 points-22 points-21 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I don't mind if the woman Im with works or not. It's not a necessity for her to have the same education level as me or higher. I, and many other men, simply do not put that much emphasis into salary amount.

[–]eurmahm 20 points21 points22 points 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That tells me that you are very young with limited real-life experience.

Some people, like me, work their whole lives and suddenly fall ill and can’t do that anymore. My husband supports me because he loves me. If it was the other way around, I would be doing the same.

Having two people with careers and incomes doesn’t make it less likely that bad things will happen, but it gives you a lot more ability to adapt. If you got sick and your wife and 3 kids rely on you for everything, now what? What would you do for healthcare? Food? Rent?

[+]W-Pilled -9 points-8 points-7 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm a millennial.

I have my own place, car, got good retirement plan. I simply don't require a woman to have all that to date me. I'm not picky at all, if she has it together great. If not, no big deal. Men just don't see those kinds of things as necessary to find a woman attractive and to be with her

[–]floracalendula 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why, though? Why do you not care whether she can take care of herself? Why do you not care whether she's educated enough to keep up with you?

I'm trying to get you to think about these things. What is it about a woman that you really value?

[+]W-Pilled -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If something were to happen to me, I'm sure she'd be able to make it. I'd like all my assets to her and the kids.

I value how women who would make good mothers over anything

[–]oldcousingreg 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your worldview is smaller than my dating pool.

[+]W-Pilled -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hows your dating pool like?

[–]CaptinSuspenders 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As a woman in a college town this has absolutely not been my experience. The kings have basically the same standards now

[+]W-Pilled 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Most of those guys are probably in their early 20s.

Once you get older and already have your career established, men usually don't care if a woman makes as much as they do.

[–]CaptinSuspenders 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe not money but they want their women to be equally as educated and accomplished.

[+]W-Pilled 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just curious, but who are those 'kings' you are referring to exactly?

[–]XihuanNi-6784 34 points35 points36 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean I didn't think this was ever actually disputed. What's disputed is the implications of that pickiness, in what manner are they picky (looks vs. money) and whether or not it's "justified." What is disputed is the idea that women are super picky based on looks and money and that they "don't know what they want." But realistically that applies to men too. The only difference is men are looking for both quick sex and a well situated partner but it usually isn't as important to them. Does that then mean that somehow women have "broken" the sexual market place? Not really. The issues in dating have far more to do with the material conditions of everyone in this game, not just what the sexes are doing differently. Like honestly if stuff like housing, education, and jobs were easier to find, things would probably be better for a lot of people e.g. sugaring would go down as women would have more options for earning decent money without needing to rely on men.

[–]shokupanfan 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The last bit is so true, Redpillers don't realize that a lot of the issues that they see in terms of how status/value effect men is due to outside forces that they're not interested in holding accountable. They don't see the bigger picture, you're not being held down by women, you're being held by the nape by majorly old rich men who are just as self interested as the redpiller. Even down to OnlyFans, it's women are immoral and not that if a woman wants to potentially gain access to higher income in a short amount of time, they may have to resort to an OF even if they didn't want to. It really speaks to the state of the world financially and how people are just trying to get by.

If people had better access to education, wealth was better distributed, etc. People could be more judged by their qualities than their resources because everything is horrid right now.

[–]Prize_Scallion1868 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Look along or down…but never up.

[–]TypicalProfit8475 24 points25 points26 points 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Dating apps select for the wrong or irrelevant traits. One of the best predictors of relationship success is attachment style, how does a dating app integrate that into its criteria. Apps do not represent real life.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by attachment style? Do you mean attachment disorders, like avoidant, anxious etc?

[–]kblkbl165 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily disorders, basically how you are in the context of a relationship.

Some people are more detached and individualistic, others feel the need to be together all the time.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So are you saying that people with the same attachment style have good relationships?

[–]TypicalProfit8475 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People with a healthy attachment style tend to date other people with a healthy attachment style. They’ll pull out from dating people who love bomb, are manipulative, really needy, aggressive, domineering etc. it just doesn’t feel right. This is the real reason people recommend therapy and working on yourself as dating advice. Fix all of that so you’re ready to form an intimate relationship that will be fulfilling for both parties. A lot of the red pill advice is on how to trick vulnerable women. It’s broken people dating broken people.

[–]kblkbl165 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily, all our experiences are anecdotal so even the most general rules will have plenty of exceptions.

But having the same “attachment style” would rank pretty high in my rank of aspects that influence a relationship.

[–]bluemagex2517 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://psychcentral.com/health/4-attachment-styles-in-relationships

Hope this helps.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–][deleted] 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]ilikelego1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in my early 30s but thanks for the recommendation anyway.

[–]BLANC_Luca 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Everybody should be

[–]VovaGoFuckYourself 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

YES! Nothing turns me off more than someone who is so desperate for a relationship that they have no standards.

Id rather be alone and celibate for the rest of my life than settle for anyone who doesnt actually enrich (non-monetarily) my life and make it happier/better than it already is.

[–]watsonyrmind 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Did you read any of the comments on the thread? Lots of people explained it pretty well.

[+]ilikelego1[S] -16 points-15 points-14 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I did read lots of comments but it sounded like pure speculation. I'm not saying that they were necessarily wrong though.

[–]watsonyrmind 31 points32 points33 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Well obviously, any explanation for a trend is speculative when they aren't social scientists conducting surveys.

And to add to the anecdotal evidence, personally I would say I find 70-80% of men whose profiles I view sufficiently attractive to consider dating. Most profiles I swipe left on are due to the following reasons: priorities don't align, some sort of dealbreaker on their profile (for example smoking), profile lacks information, photos don't give a good idea of what someone looks like. None of these things have anything to do with physical attraction yet are probably similar metrics used by other women that can influence who is getting matched. Obviously looks play a factor as well, but it is far from the only factor.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're right, saying that the answers are speculation was dumb. The black pill brainwashing keeps pulling me towards seeing every rebuttal as untrustworthy.

So basically many of the attractive guys are simply good at making profiles, while many men puts in little effort into them? Do you think that womens fear of dangerous men also play into it? If men with good profiles are good at making themselves seem safe and sane?

[–]watsonyrmind 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So basically many of the attractive guys are simply good at making profiles

Probably. I see most women complaining about low effort profiles. I see lots of profiles where men didn't bother providing half the information available to provide. Why would I bother matching with a man who couldn't be bothered to be upfront about whether he has children or what kind of relationship he is looking for when I can focus on men who have already communicated with their bios that we are generally aligned? I have enough choices that I don't need to waste time on low effort profiles.

Do you think that womens fear of dangerous men also play into it? If men with good profiles are good at making themselves seem safe and sane?

I think the ratio of men and women on apps continues to increase in part due to this. Any woman who has used the apps can tell you of bad experiences they have had being harassed or made to feel unsafe. I had an experience just a week ago.

I also think a lack of information is a potential safety evaluation, because women are looking to meet a man they are less likely to have to reject down the line as it's not always safe to do so. So if a guy doesn't have enough information in their profile to assess compatibility, you face a higher risk of having to reject them during conversation or after meeting and getting an unfavourable reaction. In general, rejecting someone is a shitty experience.

I think it comes down to providing complete and accurate information as opposed to coming across any specific way as different women are looking for different things. If a woman can't make an informed choice about you before swiping right, she's far less likely to do so, whether you are actually compatible or not.

[–]GladysSchwartz23 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Whether or not someone seems safe and sane isn't related to whether or not he's physically attractive, but a profile that's well written of someone who seems interesting and kind and has no red flags will certainly get more responses than profiles that don't meet that criteria. A "hot" guy who seems like a dick or a creep still won't get many responses.

[–]ilikelego1[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The guy in the thread claimed that he used pictures of models on dating apps and put in red flags for being a sexist misogynist, and still got lots of interested women. He could be exaggerating but if not, is it possible that there are also many shallow, messed up women (and men too) out there?

[–]watsonyrmind 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have seen a few men online claim this, including posting photos of the conversations. The thing is, it's not like they meet any of these women. It's not like the conversation goes very far. Do you guys have any idea how many profiles are bots or OF girls? Quite a lot. I am talking a quarter or more by many estimates. Sure, some of those are actually women but

a) those types of experiments are very flawed for the above reasons and

b) all it proves is the women matched with and entertained them and it can't really determine how much further it would go.

[–]DaBullWeb 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Famous Dave’s could of gotten you right for half of that

[–]SilverTango 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. I am picky as hell, send out very few likes, and rarely match back. The quality of matches is just so low.

[–]purplehathacker 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's a dating app problem. Women get so spammed that they have to apply more or less arbitrary filters just to manage the flow (height, income, whatever). As a consequence, most men stand little chance of standing out.

When you look at dating success stories, they often start with something like "I only met this guy because I loosened my filters a bit" or "I hit it off with this guy at an event who I would never have given a chance to in an app". Clearly, apps need to rethink their approach.

Unfortunately online dating is now the norm and meeting people in social situations is a lot less common. I'll add that real social situations favor people who are attractive and/or with great social skills, so people who lack both are always going to struggle both online and real life. It's just a struggle one has to go through, and it's important to realize the other side is struggling too.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds reasonable. Women don't struggle as much as men though, don't you agree? They don't need as good social skills, be driven and have some sort of pursuit to be attractive, be particularly funny or impressive, which it seems from all the dating advice for men that I've seen (the kind that isn't red pill extremism) are very important to be an attractive man.

For men, it's enough that a woman is healthy, reasonably pretty, and sane and has average social skills, right? She doesn't need to be driven, have some passion she works hard to pursue, be able to make people laugh and have outstanding social skills to be entertaining at parties.

What do you think?

[–]purplehathacker 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It depends. When you're young and inexperienced and have essentially zero choice, it's easy to think, oh any average woman would do. But in truth, relationships are hideously complicated and physical attraction really works only during the initial part of the relationship. When you're thinking about whether you can stay with someone for 10+ years together, physical attraction is only a small part of the equation. I'm not saying it's zero, it's surely a factor, but things like psychological compatibility and common values are so much more important.

As to whether women have it easier, tbh I feel that women just work harder on being attractive. Your earlier link said something like women find 20% of men attractive while men find 60% of women attractive. I wouldn't be surprised to find that it maps to 60% of women working on their appearance while only 20% of men do. As for social skills, most women I know have better social skills than men. Maybe that's just due to me being in a male dominated industry though.

[–]ilikelego1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, I appreciate the reply and how you counter rp beliefs.

[–]Personal_Dirt3089 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's dating apps. People are worse on dating apps than elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As they should be.

[–]ForwardTourist6079 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And in other news... water is wet.

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