What are your main problem’s with the red pill?

avotoastisgreat · 2023-01-11T22:13:30+00:00

It's dehumanizing and shallow. It reduces every human interaction to an exchange. It projects the toxic traits of a few onto half the human population.

Truthteller1995 · 2023-01-12T00:26:08+00:00

Their refusal to acknowledge that many problems men face are created by men, not women.

Naus1987 · 2023-01-12T00:17:27+00:00

My biggest problem is the bias. I think it’s good to call out red flags and show how women can be toxic in relationships. Because I think it helps teach men what kind of behaviors to avoid.

My problem is they rarely ever acknowledge that men are just as equally toxic in their own behaviors. And that men should strive to be better.

What frustrates me the most is the painting of women as selfish and evil creatures without ever realizing men are just as guilty.

And then glossing over the obvious truth that if a man can rise about “nature and greed,” then so can a woman.

I honestly think relationships between wise people have a high chance of success, but the people too dumb to think critically (of both genders) are going to always be in a vicious cycle of being hurt and hurting others.

And if an “innocent” man is being hurt—they need to step up their game and vet for red flags even better. Smart people have to stop hanging out with the trash just because they have a pretty face (both genders)

Ok_Cryptographer6856 · 2023-01-11T21:56:20+00:00

It's feeds people's biases and cognitive distortions because the followers don't understand these things about how we humans think. They prey on the ignorant with those two things alone. Once you study them, you start to see through all the ways they manipulate those things about you. To detox from Red Pill, just studying that stuff can be life saving.

Mean-Dragonfruit4941 · 2023-01-12T04:00:02+00:00

The “observable reality’s” of the red pill are that interpretation of reality nothing more. Here are Examples that disprove a lot red pill topics.

Hypergamy: Kurt cobains first gf supported him while he stayed home working on his music. While he was unemployed and she made good money.

High Body count ruins woman: everyone has the ability to love, no matter how many ppl you’ve slept with.)girls and guys really like sex. The only truth to this is that Habits die hard and if sex with random ppl is a habit it could be a predictor of cheating. For girls and guys.

Woman only care about looks or money: I work at a restaurant and everyday I see girls that are 10/10 in looks with a guy who is. 5/10 and they split the bill or she pays. This is 2023 baby!

I can’t think of other things but these

mikayrodr · 2023-01-11T23:24:05+00:00

If that’s your “observable reality” …. Respectfully you need to surround yourself with better people.

domitori3 · 2023-01-11T21:52:36+00:00

What are your main problem’s with the red pill?

Basically the same problems that flat earth has. Including the match with observable reality. 😂

TeacherYankeeDoodle · 2023-01-12T14:42:36+00:00

Toxicity towards women. Life gets dark when half the world is your enemy.

JonF1 · 2023-01-12T17:03:17+00:00

My problem is that it's dumb.

there's no set of ninjutsu to get panties to drop or get a GF or anything. The more of these contrivances you consume needing "alpha" "dominant" etc the goofier you look and the les like you are to get either. Want a GF or get laid? These people need to get a life far far far more than these three this garbage tier advice.
Red pill is as far from a science you can get. It's hardcore cope working backwards to justify people's loser behaviors and tatus. Most of the statistics are cherry picked or plain false.
It's your life. Try things and do what you want. Letting people just tell you how to live is wasting it.

steppenwolf123 · 2023-01-12T09:11:54+00:00

Im curious what are people in your social circle like. The only people I find TRP theories to be appliable are tiktok or instagram influencers. I guess if you aspire to be part of this crowd, then maybe TRP is for you. But then on side note, I pity you, when I see some of those influencers, I feel like my brain is immidiately starting to rot.

spiraldinosaur · 2023-01-12T16:25:51+00:00

What you're experiencing is confirmation bias. You've been told that this is how the world works, and so you're able to find examples of it working like that. Sure, in some contexts, what the red pill teaches will be true. There are women out there who only care about the thickness of your arms and your wallet. There are women who will only date you based on your social status. There are women who cheat and lie. There are women who will not be interested in you if you don't represent this specific idea of what masculinity should look like and behave like. But they are not the majority, nor is that a fair representation of women overall. However if you've been absorbing all this content, then you won't necessarily notice when someone behaves in contradiction to what you've been told, or you'll be sceptical and assume something else is going on.

"Oh she's only being nice because she wants something."

"Oh women say they don't actually prefer bigger dicks but I know that's not true."

"This skinny guy has a girlfriend? She's definitely cheating on him with some more masculine guy."

The red pill sets in you an idea of how everything works, to the point where even when you're shown evidence to contradict that, you won't believe it.

What's more, it pushes this idea of masculinity on you which is not only unachievable, but unrealistic and unhealthy. It pushes boys and men to hide vulnerabilities, to never show signs of weakness, and to never engage in anything even slightly feminine. Mostly because they say that's what women want. The reality couldn't be further from the truth; most of the behaviours that the red pill teaches are the exact things that most women absolutely hate. But beyond thinking about women, it just turns men into hostile, toxic, unhealthy individuals who struggle to engage with others due to trust issues, insecurities and a belief that social interactions are transactional.

LCBrianC · 2023-01-12T20:01:42+00:00

Basically what’s already been said: like almost any trending ideology it’s inaccurately and unnecessarily reductive.

Codeofconduct · 2023-01-12T20:50:12+00:00

Watching people who are kind become rude people who think they should abuse everything and everyone around them to gain whatever it is that they want.

ridukosennin · 2023-01-12T20:58:03+00:00

The main problem is it doesn’t work effectively and cuts off men from an array of normal fulfilling relationships

SweelFor- · 2023-01-12T07:55:02+00:00

The fact that it's incorrect

kemonocel · 2023-01-12T11:43:23+00:00

Too much about fuckboys, too less about men of culture searching for waifu of culture

Radiant_Specific6542 · 2023-01-12T16:31:40+00:00

The only issue I have with any content is consuming too much of it. Like a balance diet, you need to consume different things and not commit to just 1 ideology. I don't have an issue with redpill content in itself. There is alooooooot of truth to it. I'm just against consuming too much and making it your identity.

6stringfella · 2023-01-13T04:59:54+00:00

1 - Most of the prominent figures of the RD are grifters and/or are caricatures. Sure, they may believe what they're espousing but mainly it's for monetary gain. The only RD figure I can take somewhat seriously is that woman from "Just Pearly Things". She's the most composed I've watched and can throw "factual data" (whether true, inaccurate, or downright false) whenever she gets into discussions and arguments regarding the matter. The majority of them are just obnoxious and self-congratulatory circle-jerks filled with soundbite arguments. Why would the rest of the world take this movement more seriously when many of the banner carriers are very Alex Jones-esque such as M.G. and A.T.? It's easy to see that these people do what because there's money to gain from it. It's not done primarily to inspire social change, enact legislations, etc. On top of that, these people have shady past and background. With people like them, the movement is not meant to last long-term. IMO, it's just another popular trend in social media currently.

2 - These RD shows have the same formula that only impressionable people will find groundbreaking. They bring women from the same demographic to prove their argument. Not getting into specifics here for the purpose of not sounding demeaning to this demographic. Rarely do they bring in successful people outside the superficial world because it goes against their narrative that most western women are clueless and shallow.

baiser_vole · 2023-01-13T12:56:13+00:00

Hey, I just wanted to tell you that while humans are susceptible to confirmation bias, some or even many people's reality may be the reality of RP or FDS or some other echo chamber. Experiences are not necessarily universal truths, but experiences can be a reality for those experiencing it. As humans, we are all very limited to our own experiences and our abilities.

I've had a revelation just a few years back. My own world was very "RP" in a sense, but not in a manosphere way. If your reality is depressing, negative and is making you rather pessimistic, I recognize that can be your reality. I think that could be the reality of many people actually, not just the manosphere. However, it is possible to escape it. Not everyone is living the same reality. No, I don't mean going for the "BluePill". If you believe yourself to be good, there are people like you out there. There might not be as many as you want, but you can still have a different reality.

rafaman777 · 2023-01-14T11:45:20+00:00

Its the pure arrogance of RP that gets me. A large portion of the RP are single and not in relationships or MGTOW yet they incessantly want to tell women what they can and can't do. I'm shocked by the number of men who have not dated or have no experience with women but want to tell women they never met how they should live their lives and psycho-analyse them from the comfort of keyboards.

Title	What are your main problem’s with the red pill?
Author	Ok_Cryptographer6856
Upvotes	15
Comments	80
Date	January 11, 2023 9:23 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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