"Left-wing"

Exavior31 · 2025-03-02T10:12:52+00:00

Other mens advocacy subs are usually a circle jerk of cherry picked news stories and articles, with maybe the occasional study, with various right wing hoaxes thrown in.

This sub focuses far more on data, statistics and studies, with some actual intersectional/class analysis too. Far more focused on the evidence and bigger picture, and calling out the rhetorical hypocrisy and bigotry against men in other left leaning spaces.

You really can't tell the difference? I can, it's quite clear.

flaumo · 2025-03-02T11:19:17+00:00

For me it was twenty years of left wing activism in socialist and anarchist communities, with their respective forms of feminism ranging from radical to intersectional. My critique of feminism is more informed by a critique of leftist subculture, that is often dominated by feminism, than a critique of mainstream society. If you live a mainstream conservative life in Austria, you can quite easily avoid their hate and misandry, in the left you are directly exposed to it.

Historical_Sir9996 · 2025-03-02T10:52:45+00:00

I like this sub.
It's left but not crazy left. If you belong to the latter, that might explain it.

Spellsw0rdX · 2025-03-02T12:41:10+00:00

I’m a progressive left libertarian who can see that feminism isn’t about equality anymore and it has given the left a bad name in recent times. The left cannot stand without men yet the Western left constantly disrespects men and masculinity.

SentientReality · 2025-03-02T11:48:19+00:00

While most of the content tends to focus on feminism/misandry for obvoius reasons, many people here lean left politically and do promote left-wing policies. Whenever it becomes relevant to the discussion, you'll see people's politics come up. For example, I believe the vaaast majority of people in this sub are pro-choice and opposed to "trad" ideology (trad wives, traditional gender roles, etc).

hendrixski · 2025-03-04T12:07:25+00:00

I stand firmly against the exploitation of the working class by the men and women of the capitalist class. Anyone may become my enemy if they dismiss the oppression of working class men by disingenuously painting a male face on our oppressors in order to make a "black on black crime" style of argument.

That makes me a left wing male advocate.

White_Immigrant · 2025-03-02T08:50:26+00:00

I can't speak for others specifically, but for me, and the things I write here, it's essentially about linking capitalist neoliberalism (often united with feminist ideology) and the broad trend of ignoring actual data and evidence to the poor treatment of men.

It's a space where people don't instantly react to male problems by prescribing a bit more freedom/guns/capitalism/conservatism/Americanism in an effort to address things.

For me I'm economically left wing, not only because I think it would improve life for men, but for everyone. And by that I mean healthcare, education, security services and legal protection should be free at the point of use, essential infrastructure like water, sewage, power, and public transport should be socially owned and operated, and a basic provision of enough food to eat and somewhere to live and access to work should be the birthright of all humans everywhere.

I don't describe myself as socially left wing because I'm a nationalist and want my country to have home rule, so that's a little more complicated.

Poyri35 · 2025-03-02T09:23:40+00:00

Me personally, I’m against a pure capitalistic system. I believe that we should be helping everyday people and workers more. I believe in free, universal healthcare. I believe that a majority of human actions are born out of materialistic/economic situations.

I’m against the idea of “if you have problems, it’s because the woke females. To fix it, you must go to the gym and follow traditional masculinity and you must make a lot of money”

(btw, if you are happier following traditional masculinity, go for it. I’m not saying it’s naturally bad. It’s just that I don’t agree with how conservatism uses it. Me personally, I don’t find it soul-enriching for myself)

YetAgain67 · 2025-03-02T13:57:39+00:00

I'm anti-capitalist

I'm pro Universal Healthcare

I'm pro choice

I'm pro union

I'm pro sex work

I'm pro eliminating the existence of billionaires (financially speaking)

I'm pro equality for everyone regardless of race, orientation, or ethnicity

But depending on how vehement my beliefs are in any of these areas, I'm still either a feckless "lib" or somehow still right wing to much of th online left.

I'm a leftist who hates the ecosystem of the left.

Mustard_The_Colonel · 2025-03-02T10:13:41+00:00

Most of the sub recognises that capitalism is the source of difficulties for men. Most of the sub recognises that people should be treated equally, that human rights are important and should be protected. Sub is friendly to LGBTQ+ community. Most of the sub supports the left leaning policies such as unionisation, worker protections, free healthcare publicly owned services.

Focus of the sub is discussing men's rights and activism for men. When discussing broader politics people go to broader subreddits and here discuss politics that specifically impacts men.

astral-mamoth · 2025-03-02T10:17:17+00:00

That we have left wing perspectives and ideas and won’t offer “take rights from women” or “it’s the fault of the secret globalist conspiracy of wokeism” as solutions or explanations to male issues.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2025-03-02T20:24:35+00:00

What does left wing mean to you?

Intelligent-You983 · 2025-03-04T22:03:38+00:00

I think the question is why is the subs existence offensive? Any misogyny is aggresively taken to task. Why is a male space in LEFTISM a problem? It being relegated to a little corner of reddit is indicative of a poisonous attitude that is not only dangerous fir leftist men as individuals and a whole , but by that nature dangerous to the left as a whole. Expressing frustrations and perspectives from male intersections is part of leftist experience. We all deserve equity and equality, we all deserve a space. Abuse is Abuse and sexism is sexism. We oppose it all or it's not what it pretends to be.

AnnonymousXXX · 2025-03-03T14:06:34+00:00

We want both political parties to support men's rights, not just Republicans. Republicans have continued to ruined our reputation.

Due_Outside2611 · 2025-03-04T16:53:42+00:00

I'm pro universal health care and bail reform for non-violent offenders.

Violent offenders need to be treated harsher in many circumstances though, such why there is such a big recidivism problem.

I think trans people should be able to transition and use the bathroom that aligns with them so long as they are not- infringing on women such as needlessly exposing themselves to others and hanging out naked all day in fetish gear. I think prisons need to be reformed to be about healing for the violent, but also need to be able to punish people.

I don't think any group striking work should be considered illegal.

I'm pro gender equality, and a feminist in the academic description of the word. And an egalitarian, who's against police brutality.

I support sweeping social welfare programs such as helping the homeless and getting them in shelters.

Ok-Time5668 · 2025-03-02T09:47:44+00:00

Why are yall so obsessed with redpill ? Redpill this redpill that.. Lol. You all seem to care more about redpill than actual redpillers. And the irony is yall associate redpill with RW which shows your bias that you categorize everything evil with RW.

Comicauthority · 2025-03-04T15:17:56+00:00

Pro LGBT, pro workers rights, against worker exploitation, lots of socialists, the list goes on. The only thing not classically left-wing is the anti-feminism sentiment.

SvitlanaLeo · 2025-03-04T20:45:36+00:00

I think that the fact that some children are born into a bourgeois family and others into a proletarian family is bad and it would be better if classes did not exist.

1bnna2bnna3bnna · 2025-03-03T12:35:05+00:00

An interesting experiment would be for someone to start a right wing version and see what happens. The men here seem mostly to put the debate about being allies into a wider socioeconomic context that doesn't deny any value in Feminism or argue for gendered roles, but rather seeks to temper the extremes of toxic forms of feminism and societies intolerance for discussing mens issues.

HonestlyKindaOverIt · 2025-03-02T11:01:52+00:00

I’m mostly here so as not to be in an echo-chamber. I disagree that capitalism is the problem, only in the sense that every other model is way worse for everyone, so I don’t think that is the solution.

It’s definitely a left wing sub outside of that, however. Left wing doesn’t have to mean manic, blue haired, cultural-illiteracy - it can also mean just doing your best with the evidence you have.

GammaPhoenix007 · 2025-03-02T12:08:33+00:00

Ok.

I am left wing because I believe in the worker's right. I am left wing because I am pro-choice (but only if it's rape or incest) I am left wing because I believe capitalism is a failed concept and there should be a mixed economy everywhere I am left wing because I see all people as human beings.

You can say I am a classical liberal.

Most modern left leaning people will call me right wing though. Beats me.

VexerVexed · 2025-03-04T21:37:43+00:00

I'm not concerned with this sub being any particular top limiting flavor of liberal or leftist, my ideal community is just about anything other than right-leaning and redpill tolerating- that's expressly in opposition to the Republican party without fanciful 3rd party dreaming (U.S centric framing)-

I want this to be a space that offers a home for men at risk of disaffecting from the political process/the democratcs and feeling politically homeless.

Cunari · 2025-03-05T01:42:54+00:00

There’s social leftism and economic leftism.

But people like Robert Reich and Bernie Sanders(social and fiscally left) really only address mens issues as workers. Other issues aren’t really discussed. They are both social and economic left.

Destiny is an example of social left and fiscally conservative. He also really doesn’t address mens issues. I believe Tin Men is also socially left and fiscally conservative and he famously addresses mens issues.

Joe Rogan used to be socially conservative and fiscally left but now he sold out. I think this is also true with Jordan Peterson but he also sold out

WeEatBabies · 2025-03-05T01:57:55+00:00

We are pro-union, pro-workers, pro-equal-rights.

MonkeyCartridge · 2025-03-05T18:20:32+00:00

Personally, I do wish there was a tad more focus on the left wing bits and a bit less on pure opposition to feminism. But that's kinda what separates this from men's lib. On men's lib, you basically have to apologize for asking a question in the first place. Insta-ban if you critique feminism at all. So I think it just rushes out here.

I think many of us come from leftist or social justice circles, but felt like they were trying to shove us out.

For me, I was deep in social justice circles in high school and college. The difference was that I just took their way of viewing the world and included men in it, and the issues really stood out.

There was a certain level of dehumanization thrown in with the oppressor title. Particularly as it relates to uncertainty, insecurity, and feelings of powerlessness. Men had total power in their minds, so doing anything out of insecurity or uncertainty was considered some failure. You aren't "worried your wife won't respect you if you earn less than her", you are "seeking the domination and control of every aspect of your life."

I went into RP/!ncel stuff (before that's what it was called) for a bit until it became clear that they were frankly, more toxic, and were essentially using the same narrative flaws. As well as obsessing over the "alpha male" narrative and seeing all interactions as either dominant or submissive. When most "submissive" behaviors they were describing were simply pro-social behaviors intended to form social bonds. But forming social bonds was, to me, the crux of what they were struggling with. It's a lot of men who seem very much on the autism spectrum who didn't see much help, because it's not a mental state people are eager to emphasize with.

So I don't identify as "belonging" to any group anymore. I discuss women's issues and men's issues without worrying what stance "my side" is supposed to take.

But while I do critique feminism, it isnt something I oppose outright. It's become pretty broad, it's just that inflammatory views and posts make headlines in pop-feminism. In the same way that the right is having a full meltdown trans panic and we're willing to screw over the economy over what amounts to, like, 10 trans people in sports.

But I've had too many feminist friends and partners who really understood what was going on. One was a huge opponent of circumcision frustrated that people weren't taking it as seriously as FGM. A girlfriend of mine introduced me to ShoeOnHead and Cassie Jaye's documentary. It was a feminist professor of mine who had the whole class read an article on domestic violence against men. That was where I first heard how common it was and learned about this stuff.

But to me, progressivism I should include progress for both men and women. It's just that this sub focuses on the male side of that coin. Where I'm interested in helping men who would otherwise fall into toxic social pits that society writes off as "irredeemable". Like you can't claim to care about mens mental health, but not understand that men with mental health issues lash out more. RP and !ncel are what men's mental health issues look like.

So basically, I took my left wing social progressive views, and just included men in them.

Minimum_Guitar4305 · 2025-03-04T20:03:17+00:00

Feminism is a left wing political philosophy. Due to it's support of other left wing views, it has largely become mainstream (even amongst moderates/progressives on the right).

Feminism also has some very vocal opponents, mostly further to the right.

This is a site for people who advocate for men and masculinity, and critique feminism, from an unusual perspective, that of the left.

beowulves · 2025-03-05T04:13:09+00:00

Its basically selling itself as "pro male but not red pill". It's trying to avoid being called incels by other people is pretty much the whole concept behind it, from what I have read.

metr0nic · 2025-03-05T10:19:04+00:00

read the "MISSION", in the right pane. i think it actually explains pretty well what sets this sub apart. for me the main thing is that there is basically no shoehorning of male issues into right-wing/traditional issues, nor is there a complete rejection of feminism. i think that the posts here are in line with it. you might be so used to the association of male issues with the right-wing, that you can't tell the difference

ARabbitShotAHunter · 2025-03-05T15:08:08+00:00

Every fucking month the same low-effort post asking the same question. No definition of "left", no clarification of what isn't "left" and therefore "right" about this sub.

Why are these not simply removed? How much time must be wasted answering the same question over and over for careless lazies who can't be bothered to use the "search" fonction?

maomaochair · 2025-03-05T15:10:57+00:00

Being red pill is sometimes compatible with left-wing. But in this sub, you probably embrace the value of equality and autonomy and acknowledge the exploitation of capitalism.

nal014 · 2025-03-03T20:56:03+00:00

I see above of soon to be republicans

coffeegrounds42 · 2025-03-05T00:28:49+00:00

Honestly man to me just seems like a slightly less misogynistic men's rights group.

doublelife304 · 2025-03-04T19:55:18+00:00

I just discovered this sub and I have to agree with you. I scrolled for a little bit considering to join (I'm a male leftist) and I cannot believe some of the shit I'm seeing. I just read someone's upvoted analysis here for female deaths from domestic violence: "A more likely scenario is she accused him of cheating for the thousandths time and started hitting him when he tried to walk away. Then he snapped. " What the actual fuck lol.

IronicStrikes · 2025-03-02T09:27:14+00:00

Best we can do is find gotchas about feminism all day. Actual advocacy has to wait until we run out of ways to regurgitate the same complaints.

Title	"Left-wing"
Author	janedolores
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Comments	78
Date	March 1, 2025 10:55 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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