Wouldn’t addressing men’s issues have a profound impact and lessen the violence (both physical and sexual) that they perpetrate?

iainmf · 2022-01-16T03:47:06+00:00

The New Zealand Family Violence Death Review Committee looked at the life paths of the men who ended up killing their partners. From the executive summary:

The men described in this report had actively sought support from a variety of services to address health and social issues that were evident in their trajectory towards using violence. However, help-seeking was often not met with an appropriate response.

The report also says that there were multiple opportunities to intervene, from school age onwards, that could have changed the path those men took that ended in them killing someone.

Basically, there was repeated failures to help these men prior to the killing and better services for men could have made the difference.

rammo123 · 2022-01-16T03:02:19+00:00

Agreed.

I've been saying for awhile now that incel ideology should first and foremost been seen as society's failure of young men. These things don't grow in a void.

But feminist ideology is predicated on the basis that men cannot be victims, so they will block any attempt to correct it.

SoundProofHead · 2022-01-16T10:05:55+00:00

Definitely. I'm a big believer in the notion that hurt people hurt people and that education helps a lot. I believe that most guys who harass, rape, attack others are often traumatized to some extent or have not grown into a good environment, the role models you have around you are incredibly important. Unfortunately we are in great need of good male role models. Men used to have mentors, we don't anymore. Men used to have more friends too. Isolating people and making them deal with their issue on their own is one of the worst thing you can do. Also, maybe the mental health services should be more fine-tuned to male issues, around 70% of therapists are women and I'm sure it has an impact overall on how men are helped.

People (and men are people too, crazy right?) are social creatures and if you remove them from a healthy support group/family they will create or find an unhealthy one. And then you get PUA, red pill, religious conservatism, extreme political ideology, conspiracy groups etc. These are families, but not the right ones.

Society should stop believing that men are a lost cause that can only be dealt with incarceration.

i'm not sure it's all feminism fault though, mostly I think there's no financial incentive to help men.

DanteLivra · 2022-01-16T14:53:31+00:00

It has been proven that men are the primary victims of violence around the world. It has been proven that most agressors were victims earlier in their life. The complete lack of empathy and support towards male victims is what's causing violence, not "toxic masculinity".

Cfox006 · 2022-01-16T15:50:53+00:00

This is what always just mind blows me, the idea that something could constantly be said is the problem yet not directly doing anything to fix it at its core. It just doesn’t make sense.

Men aren’t born sexist or criminals or suicidal yet society for multiple reasons turns men into this yet feminists have convinced literally everyone that men are helpless and we shouldn’t give two shits about them

hottake_toothache · 2022-01-16T17:54:52+00:00

Correct. But viewing men with empathy is a non-starter to most people

mewacketergi2 · 2022-01-16T03:27:05+00:00

Treating men as human beings would fix a lot of problems. Failure to do so by the current gender establishment perpetuates many problems they claim to try to solve. It is both hilarious and deeply tragic if you think about it.

For example, by now, it is well understood that dad deprivation is one of the worst predictors of violent criminality and both committing, and being a victim of all sorts of abuse later in life. But guess who doesn't want to admit that fathers are indispensable except to blame "deadbeat dads."

I would be curious if someone funded an objective study to estimate this: how much forcible rape, and other violent crime did ham-fisted government sponsorship of single motherhood create by worsening this already-understood issue of dad deprivation in the most vulnerable communities?

To those not familiar with the issue, black conservative economist Thomas Sowell does an excellent expose on this:

One of these “favors’’ was the welfare state. A vastly expanded welfare state in the 1960s destroyed the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of racial oppression.

In 1960, before this expansion of the welfare state, 22 percent of black children were raised with only one parent. By 1985, 67 percent of black children were raised with either one parent or no parent.

Source: https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/opinion/columnists/2016/09/29/thomas-sowell-favors-destroyed-black-community/91289948/

(if anyone's interested – let me know, I have the links to proper studies somewhere)

Unintended consequences are a bitch. Hilarious and tragic, indeed.

MintIceCreamPlease · 2022-01-16T12:17:06+00:00

Yes: people knowing they can rely on other thought their suffering are less likely to lash out because of pent-up emotions.

Head-Medium-3007 · 2022-01-16T16:16:21+00:00

Women are just as sexually violent as men and commit equal (and sometimes more) amounts of DV. The majority of men who become rapists were sexually abused by a woman as children and then there’s also the battered husband syndrome

jonny-p · 2022-01-16T17:52:31+00:00

I’ve no doubt it would, lack of opportunity; poverty and deprivation; mental and physical ill health; crime and violence all go hand in hand. The same can be said of religious and racial minorities who are also disadvantaged by the system. Feminism as it currently stands was developed by wealthy, educated, white women and that is the only group that seems to benefit from it.

duhhhh · 2022-01-17T15:49:47+00:00

Usually the women killed or seriously injured are in "mutually abusive relationships" and very rarely in relationships with one sided violence.

The rates of partner homicides didn't used to be that far apart. Then women got help and resources and the rate they killed their husbands dropped a lot. Men didn't get DV shelters they could use to protect their kids from their abuser without getting kidnapping charges giving the abuser an upper hand in custody, government funded help to allow them to get easy restraining orders, DV intervention public policy and programs that favored them, etc. Therefore the rate that husbands kill their wives hasn't dropped much. Maybe if we want to eliminate the desperate husbands in mutually abusive relationships killing their wives, we should give them better options. That would probably save a lot of women's lives just like doing it for women has saved a lot of mens lives.

"Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015" by James Alan Fox and Emma E. Fridel. The data comes from FBI statistics ("FBI's Supplementary Homicide Reports, SHR").

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2017.0016?journalCode=vio&

Here's part of the conclusion that the authors came to:

Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongoing efforts to curtail domestic violence. Some researchers argue that the reduction in male intimate partner victimization, a decline of nearly 60% over the past four decades, is because of an increase in the availability of social and legal interventions, liberalized divorce laws, greater economic independence of women, as well as a reduction in the stigma of being the victim of domestic violence. Although at an earlier time a woman may have felt compelled to kill her abusive spouse as her only defense, she now has more opportunities to escape the relationship through means such as protective orders and shelters (Dugan et al. 1999; Fox et al. 2012). As a tragic irony, the wider availability of support services for abused women did not appear to have quite the intended effect, at least through the 1980s, as only male victimization declined.

Here is a graph of intimate partner homicides by sex over the years from the study. Notice the trend for women as they got help vs men that didn't?

https://m.imgur.com/a/6Hx9dJt

God forbid we help men, even if it would save womens lives. The reason women need these resources and men don't is because more men kill their partners. Non-abusive women need to be taught to fear men. We need more one sided services.

The majority of men convicted of raping women were sexually violated by adult women when they were boys. Multiple studies in the US, UK, and Canada have shown this. Around 10 of them cited here.

http://empathygap.uk/?p=1993#_Toc498111528

So women not raping, and rape by women being acknowledged as traumatic and treated with compassion, would probably stop a lot of women from getting raped in the future.

God forbid we help raped males, even if it would prevent many women from being raped. We need to shame all men and brand them as likely rapists while denying they can be victims of heterosexual rape. It's the only solution.

-- duhhhh

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ferrocarrilusa · 2022-01-20T14:47:30+00:00

Well they aren't explicitly "men's issues" but yes, improvements in education and mental health are great ways to prevent crime. So is lifting people out of poverty.

Title	Wouldn’t addressing men’s issues have a profound impact and lessen the violence (both physical and sexual) that they perpetrate?
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Date	January 16, 2022 2:19 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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