How does feminism atempt to censor alternative viewpoints? I will be interviewed by a journalist and need material

giegerwasright · 2013-08-23T13:25:35+00:00

This Covers the goings on at UofT where feminists harrass and assault people in attendance of lectures and pull fire alarms to silence and end that lecture. I believe that the president of the student's union was one of the masked individuals who pulled those alarms.

Here on reddit, you can read the /r/feminism sidebar where it states that all top comments must be made by feminists. That sub, and those attached to it, is very quick to ban any male or non feminist who disagrees to skillfully or heartily with anything they dictate.

That's a good start.

sillymod · 2013-08-23T13:45:30+00:00

Feminists are often proponents of post-modern discourse: http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/regiftedxmas12.html

The ethical principles central to feminism promote social responsibility over individual rights/freedoms - thus, the responsibility to not make another person "feel bad" would trump the individual right to criticize. (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-ethics/)

Examples of censorship include every instance of men trying to create male groups on university campuses, which are then silenced/protested by feminist groups; the several cases at the UofT where guest speakers were interrupted by fire alarms, protests, etc; the tearing down of legally posted posters of alternate view points...

All of these are google-able. Have fun.

sens1t1vethug · 2013-08-23T14:39:26+00:00

Might have already been said but some obvious examples include:

The Simon Fraser University Men's Centre controversy (Search on youtube)
The UofT feminists protesting Warren Farrell, Janice Fiamengo and Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young (Again well-documented on youtube)
Murray Straus and Nicola Graham-Kevan on feminists' distortion of social science research into domestic violence http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method.pdf
Typhonblue's seminal article on male rape http://www.genderratic.com/p/836/manufacturing-female-victimhood-and-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/
Use of terms like "safe space", "check your male privilege" etc are sometimes (arguably) valid but clearly can be used to silence dissent

lazlounderhill · 2013-08-23T16:59:46+00:00

I urge you to invite the journalist, during your interview, to go on r/feminism, identify him/herself as a male (first and foremost) and make any statement that calls into question any aspect of "this is what consent looks like", or that dares to explore the feminists take on "resistance play", or "bdsm".

ManUpManDown · 2013-08-23T13:57:29+00:00

Here's an article that discusses feminists' attempts at silencing accurate data about domestic violence.

http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/kelly.pdf

I think Christina Hoff Sommers has good anecdotes in Who Stole Feminism if I remember correctly.

andreipmbcn · 2013-08-23T16:16:52+00:00

Here are some incidents that have not been mentioned yet:

During the Swedish documentary Konskriget, at around 54 minutes in, the female filmmaker secretly records a high-profile, government-employed feminist who threatens the filmmaker that she will be turned away by all domestic abuse shelters in the country in the event that she needs them, because she was investigating domestic abuse shelters over malpractice that led to a suicide. The documentary is on YouTube.

Esther Vilar was harrassed by a feminist "interviewer" on national television. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnxvAwSu-0

Neil Lyndon got a lot of hit pieces written against him and lost his job after writing a book called 'no more sex war', which was critical of feminists. http://theantifeminist.com/neil-lyndon-no-more-sex-war/

Also, the link to the feminist "protest" against Warren Farrell at the University of Toronto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 And the actual (very long) talk he gave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4

avantvernacular · 2013-08-23T12:50:49+00:00

Well here, let me collect some data for you: Who here has been banned form /r/feminism and /r/askfeminists and what for? Reply to this comment if you have.

(I was banned for saying we shouldn't mock an autistic person for struggling to empathize with others)

typhonblue · 2013-08-23T20:52:05+00:00

The University of Toronto Men's Issues Awareness Society and the Canadian Association for Equality(CAFE identifies as a gender issues group specializing now in men's issues, not a men's rights or men's human rights organization) hosted "From Misogyny and Misandry to Intersexual Dialogue" at the University of Toronto and April 4, 2013:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQzQBTkQZWU&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL4NvroQMCiyyVkArhdhECZHwl97Q5OFL5

The sound you hear in the background is feminist protesters pounding the ground and door with wooden sticks while chanting.

The description of the lecture is as follows:

"This dialogue exploring how sexism against either women or men robs all of us of value and worth was protested by a loose coalition of groups. In this Video of Part 1 you can hear Dr. Katherine Young discussing the importance of empathy and communication, then Dr. Paul Nathanson courageously shares the story of how his being gay as a youth gave him insights into the constraints imposed by gender roles."

After the feminist protesters pulled the fire alarm and everyone exited the building this feminist spoke to people outside the building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxY-5ISEHPg

The first lecture that feminists protested was one put on by Dr. Warren Farrell, you can view the protest here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

If you want to see more about these events you can view videos on this channel:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlBoX4hBrM2yUglBQcYVHg

This video is Girl Writes What talking about John the Other and his experience of putting up posters in vancouver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jz63_lGuSE

Although he got permission from the construction site owner to put up his posters on the hoarding, that didn't matter. The feminists--who titled themselves "femistasi"--went out in a large group to confront him and tear down his posters. (This was after they assaulted the site manager when he tried to intervene with them pulling the posters down.)

They have also attempted to rewrite the definition of rape to exclude men:

http://www.genderratic.com/p/2798/male-disposability-mary-p-koss-and-influencing-a-government-entity-to-erase-male-victims-of-rape/

http://www.genderratic.com/p/2943/mary-koss-the-corruption-continues-manboobz-style/

And they have suppressed evidence of symmetry in domestic violence:

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evidence-PV_10.pdf

In addition to these activities, I've created a video that compares the demonization of men and their sexuality that's currently being promoted as "rape and domestic violence awareness" with other campaigns to demonize marginalized groups of men as abusers and rapists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXK0bfrvjPM

GenderEqualityKing · 2013-08-23T12:37:05+00:00

When will you be interviewed? I have loads of material from personal experience and will be happy to provide it in the form of screenshots, URLs, etc.

Bla34112 · 2013-08-23T14:27:42+00:00

I'd mention all that harping about: "vile, sexist, hateful trolling of women who are showered with death and rape threats just because they are women with an opinion".

In reality, men are (a tiny little bit) more likely to receive death threats than women are.. it's a bullshit excuse to censor.

texasjoe · 2013-08-23T17:47:34+00:00

One anecdote, I know, but I was just banned from /r/feminism for this post. They don't like anybody that identifies with /r/mensrights around. I guess I learned just how intellectually honest they are yesterday.

In this sub, I have often defended them, but that's over.

GenderEqualityKing · 2013-08-23T18:24:03+00:00

Here's another example:

At the suggestion of my psychologist, I wrote a blog detailing my addiction to a fetish known as "financial domination" in an effort:

To help me address an addiction that was destroying my life and
To help other men who are addicted to FD and are looking to quit

Here is the blog: exposingfinancialdomination.wordpress.com.

I was then interviewed by a feminist journalist for an article in Salon.com. The article misrepresented my interview and misrepresented the fetish of Financial Domination as well.

A week before the article went to press, the journalist contacted me by text message to see if I would be interested in discussing the article with her, either by phone or in person. I offered to discuss it, at which point she promptly left me hanging (I guess she changed her mind?). After two attempts at arranging a time to discuss it, I gave up. In addition to being unprofessional, it's a reflection of the double standard that is apparent in the world of feminist journalism today.

Because she was writing the article from a sex-positive feminist perspective, she found it acceptable to undercut aspects of the "story" that painted FD in a less than flattering light. To me, this is a form of censorship of alternative viewpoints. Perhaps I'm using the word "censorship" too loosely here, but if you're a journalist writing an exploratory piece on a subject matter, I think the onus should be on you to present all sides objectively to the reader. And, from reading Jezebel and other feminist blogs, I don't see a measured approach to journalism. I see a concerted effort to provide a single vantage point that would supposedly "speak" for all feminists, despite the considerable backlash this approach has received, for example, from women of color and women who do not feel as though their perspectives are being adequately represented in the mostly white, mostly upper class "feminist" movement. (I would refer you to the "SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen" hashtag that women of color created recently, and the dozens of articles that have been written about it recently).

If white feminists of class privilege are allowed to systematically censor the views of women of color and women from non-mainstream backgrounds (Islamic women, for example), what about men of color? What about men with disabilities? Homeless men? Men who don't have a voice? The degree of censorship is absurd and it's hurting our society.

Muffinizer1 · 2013-08-23T18:25:28+00:00

Atheism+

JohnKimble111 · 2013-08-23T15:49:35+00:00

The concept of "mansplaining" is a common (and sexist) way for them to ignore/silence dissent.

rightsbot · 2013-08-23T12:24:18+00:00

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Pecanpig · 2013-08-23T17:40:32+00:00

Pulling fire alarms.

GenderEqualityKing · 2013-08-23T17:47:21+00:00

My original e-mail to a prominent feminist journalist on Jezebel (Katie J.M. Baker):

http://i.imgur.com/bcOSPnX.png

Her public response to my email:

http://i.imgur.com/t1nx911.png

My reaction:

http://i.imgur.com/qfdcoA0.png

Any questions?

dazhealy · 2013-08-23T18:43:00+00:00

Of the top of my head you have thought-terminating clichés. Words and phrases like

Slut shamer
Rape apologist (see also: Paedophile apologist)
Mansplaining
Checking one's privilege
A safe place
Paedophile
Trigger (Triggering)
Woman hater
Woman beater

All these are dependent on context of course.

gsettle · 2013-08-23T21:14:15+00:00

You will not be interviewed by a "Journalist". You will be interviewed by someone who will hack whatever you say into little bits and make it say what they want it to say. True journalism died decades ago.

double-happiness · 2013-08-23T22:56:14+00:00

CACKENBOOLS · 2013-08-23T23:01:29+00:00

The labeling of men's rights sites as hate sites in school and parental software. The ongoing wikipedia campaign. Proposing laws in sweden forbidding the questioning of feminism. Attempts at outlawing of "sexual harrassment" of strangers in the UK (consent seeking behavior).

Those are attempts at institutionalized censorship. Im on the phone but Google should be able to get you those.

MdPhdVictor · 2013-08-24T00:09:17+00:00

One word FACEBOOK

luxury_banana · 2013-08-25T21:52:29+00:00

Make sure you have an original recording of the exchange because most "journalists" these days are nothing but propagandists.

Klang_Klang · 2013-08-23T14:36:44+00:00

The UofT events are the best examples.

Title	How does feminism atempt to censor alternative viewpoints? I will be interviewed by a journalist and need material
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