Is there data to refute that "misogyny kills; misandry hurts men's feelings"?

4444-uuuu · 2025-07-30T10:10:20+00:00

go tell the men in Ukraine that sexism against men is just hurt feelings

_StreetRules_ · 2025-07-30T08:22:35+00:00

Women from Ukraine get to dance in France and UK, men are bombed

The_Local_Rapier · 2025-07-30T08:25:49+00:00

Suicide is the biggest killer of men. Anyone who frames it as ‘hurts mens feelings’ as if this is trivial are psychotic and sick

king_rootin_tootin · 2025-07-30T09:32:50+00:00

The first way to answer that one is like this:

The gender sentencing gap is a clear example of this:

https://repository.law.umich.edu/law_econ_current/57/

Also, child abuse by single mother households is a lot more prevalent, proportionely than abuse by single father households. Boys are abused more than girls.

Abuse of a boy by a single Mom is indeed misandry and it is harmful and even kills.

. the second way:

"Oh, so hurt feelings don't matter? Okay. So will you shut up about Sydney Sweeny already? I mean, is she killing anyone, or just hurting your feelings?"

Aardwolfington · 2025-07-30T11:41:21+00:00

Kind of hard when they treat a man killing a woman and a woman killing a man, both for the same reasons as misogyny in the man's case but not misandry in the women's case. When a man kills his lover or ex lover, it's misogynistic in nature. The same is not treated as true for women, the explanation is always something else. It's like with cheating,

Aware-Building2342 · 2025-07-30T08:30:38+00:00

Whenever the stuff about male suicide comes out, feminists who usually claim not to have an interest in male issues suddenly pop up to say it just means we need more feminism (Laurie Penny) or just flat out laugh to try to disrupt discussions (Jess Phillips UK MP). Some women are actively opposed to addressing male suicide and that cuts off funding that could save lives

AsenathWD · 2025-07-30T14:24:07+00:00

Yes, there is plenty but I'm too lazy to search for specific data quotes. I'm still giving you real life stats that you can research for your own:

1.Male suicide rate gap is between 3 and 4 times higher in all developed countries. All of them higly aligned with feminism culture, the most extreme case being south korea.

2.Huge gender disparities in education system: the gap between men graduates and women is getting bigger over time in all developed countries. It's due to it being female optimized, uninspiring and nonsensical for most men, and way more punishing for men misbehavior.

Therapy is female oriented. It's a myth that men don't seek help. They actually do. It's just they report feeling that it doesn't help so they stop going. Therapy itself doesn't align with the healing most men really need, they are overlooked and misunderstood.
Several laws favour women: Family courts overwhelmingly favour women in court battles. Men receive way harsher sentences for the same crimes than women. Men are victims of 1 out of 3 cases of domestic abuse, and they are still overlooked. People think it's more like 1 out of 100 cases, so they do not even care. Among many other injustices.

5.There is zero evidence or correlation for men's bitterness to becomes violence or harrasment towards women. People who become violent towards women already had sociopathic tendencies. What the data actually says is that 99% of young men are actually normal and trying to keep good ethics, but repression of anger and lust due to external and self shame are the main indicators of these normal men becoming violent. Which means the harsh policies against men bitterness are worsening the social issues, fueling a bad behaviour that wasn't there in the first place.

sakura_drop · 2025-07-30T11:51:50+00:00

Yes, there is data to refute that claim.

Women make up only 19% of homicide victims globally so even if you believe the claim in question (I would ask for evidence to support it on their part) it doesn't kill very much, does it?

Mister_3177 · 2025-07-30T08:36:38+00:00

Military drafts

Most-Inflation-4370 · 2025-07-30T10:49:24+00:00

Being sociopath is the ideal modern female personality according to them

Limoor · 2025-07-30T11:13:42+00:00

Look at the male suicide rate. Look at successes. Women make more insincere attempts. But men are the ones dying by their own hand. Misandry kills indirectly. Just like most female murders, it’s done with poison.

DJack276 · 2025-07-30T13:05:02+00:00

Men commit more suicide

Have more workforce deaths

And die more in the field of battle.

Wtf?

N1ksterrr · 2025-07-30T13:17:19+00:00

Conscription laws.

Most-Inflation-4370 · 2025-07-30T15:02:08+00:00

Stealing my money and parental rights

mrmensplights · 2025-07-30T16:31:54+00:00

Men are more likely to die from violent crime. Men are more likely to be victims of all forms of violent crime - including homicide. The only exception to this is sexual assault which, by definition, does not inherently kill. However, if you include prison rape then men are far more likely to be victims of sexual assault as well. Given that prison rape is treated as a punchline by much of society and implicitly condoned within prisons that pretty squarely falls into misandry.

Men are more likely to die during times of war. All over the world mandatory military service applied specifically to men, conscription applies specifically to men, men are forced to fight and men are forced to die.

Men are more likely to die by suicide. Men are four times more likely to die by suicide than women. Studies show this is related to social isolate, substance use, disproportionate economic and legal stressors, and lower help-seeking behavior. The last is disputed by some, but even if true it implies a societal context that makes men as a group feel less likely to seek help which implies misandry.

Men are more likely to die in workplace accidents. Men account for a greater share of full-time, manual labor roles, where physical risks are elevated compared to desk-based or caregiving roles more commonly earmarked to women at the same socio-economic bracket. Men are disproportionately excepted to be providers, and therefore are expected to endure dangerous jobs without complaint. Society channels men into high-risk roles, normalizes their sacrifice, and shows little concern for their safety or well-being.

Men are more likely to die incarcerated.

Men receive harsher penalties than women for the same crimes and criminal histories. Studies have shown that men are more likely to be sentenced to prison, receive longer sentences, and be offered less favorable plea deals. This disparity is often attributed to gendered perceptions in the justice system, where women may be viewed as less dangerous or more amenable to rehabilitation. Once incarcerated, the differences between men's and women's prisons are stark. Men's prisons are typically higher security, more overcrowded, and involve greater exposure to solitary confinement and institutional violence with fewer rehabilitative programs. As a result of these harsher environments, men face significantly higher risks of physical assault, suicide, and even homicide while incarcerated. The combination of punitive sentencing and more dangerous conditions contributes to the higher mortality rate for men in prison.

Men are more likely to die from homelessness. Men are both significantly more likely to be homeless and also more likely to die while homeless than women. Gender norms viewing men in utilitarian terms lead to devaluing homeless men, and norms around self-reliance lead to less social programs available to men. As a result, social support systems and health services are less accessible to men or literally only cater to women, social housing is earmarked and set aside for women, and outreach programs tend to target women for help.

I could go on and on. Men are far more likely than women to die from nearly every single intersection with society. I actually can't think of a counter example.

Some women will counter "And who set that up" or "Men perpetrated this".

Men can commit misandry too. Misandry is not limited to actions by women; it's societal norms, institutional practices, and systemic structures that disadvantage men. While women can certainly express and contribute to misandry, it broadly encompasses cultural and institutional biases in education, family courts, health policy, etc. Basically everything listed.
Society consists of both men and women, both men and women wield power, both men and women are born in socioeconomic status at equal levels. There's no shortage of women in the bureaucracy at all levels.

The truth is "misogyny kills, misandry hurts men's feelings" is just a rhetorical trick that doesn't reflect reality or pass muster at all. The women who say it are operating in 'gender war' context which isn't real, and they are assuming ONE case and admitting ONE fact: That a woman is more likely to die by the hand of a man than by a the hand a woman. However, even this falls flat as a case for misogyny killing because men are more likely to die by men than woman are. It's a curious case of misogyny that actually REDUCES your groups chance of dying compared to outgroups, no?

If we take a step back we have to recognize that rhetoric like this that assumes a premise of gender conflict (power dynamics, identity politics, oppression narratives) is not a serious argument. It's a rhetorical weapon. It's for waging war, not discussing a real problem. It's about expressing hatred, not examining society and thinking of solutions.

Make-TFT-Fun-Again · 2025-07-30T17:20:04+00:00

Sure, being an expendable cog in society doesn’t kill men lol

Appropriate-Use3466 · 2025-07-30T21:17:01+00:00

Men are killed more by strangers, so not because of being a partner or somebody they know, just for their external characteristics and not for their story, attitude nor personality. So it means that if it's not 50/50, it's because there is a sex-selection. Killing for sex selection is misandry, chivalry for excluding women means selecting and targeting men, which is targeting and selection because of gender, which is androcide and misandry. So yeah, misandry kills.

Misogyny doesn't kill as much, because women are more killed by people who they know. They didn't kill them the moment they discovered they were females. So it's not misogyny, otherwise those people would have killed any other woman, not just women they knew or were partner with.

Men, instead, are chosen in the moment the killer excludes women for chivalry, so they are chosen for their sex. In the moment the killer discovers that they are males. So yeah, this is misandry.

Misandry leads to sex-selection, gendercide and androcide. Misogyny instead doesn't kill because women are killed by people who already knew they were women and didn't kill them the moment they discovered they were women.

DizzyAstronaut9410 · 2025-07-30T16:05:59+00:00

The average male life expectancy worldwide is about 5 years less than females.

A range of factors from suicide rates, working more dangerous jobs, being victims of violence, war, substance abuse, homelessness, etc, all contribute to this. Objectively gendered societal issues kill more men. That's not really up for debate.

Then queue the rebuttal "well those are the results of the Patriarchy, not misandry!" and yet, any time any groups try to draw attention to any of these issues, the first ones minimizing them, victim blaming, or pushing back against them will be misandrists who just generally do not like men.

KPplumbingBob · 2025-07-30T20:56:10+00:00

The burden of proof is on them. They need to prove that "misogyny kills". When you count every murder of a woman by a man "misogyny" and ignore all male victims then yeah, you can come to their conclusion.

Reasonable_Elk3267 · 2025-07-31T02:42:58+00:00

Military draft and conscription throughout history; Srebrenica massacre; UN causing Haitian men to starve to death after the 2010 earthquake; Ukrainian men right now.

TheRealJamesHoffa · 2025-07-30T17:51:09+00:00

Just look at suicide stats. Many more men commit suicide than women.

peter_venture · 2025-07-30T20:14:32+00:00

There's no data to support this assertion. It was made up by Margaret Atwood, author of 'The Handmaid's Tale' because she liked how it sounds. Now it's quoted left and right as if there are studies that came to this conclusion, but that never happened.

We should be asking where the data is to support this claim.

sebasgutisala · 2025-07-31T02:40:39+00:00

The story of Earl Silverman is a great example of misandry killing men.

Earl Silverman was a male victim of domestic abuse, he wanted a space for men to have a shelter, however there was none in Canada. That is why he created the first male only shelter of domestic abuse in Canada. However, feminists didn't liked that idea so they sent him death threats and begged the gouvernement to defund the shelter. Earl Silverman sadly commited s**cide back in 2011...

That is a great example of misandry killing men

PhulHouze · 2025-07-30T14:50:29+00:00

Lived experience

New-Distribution6033 · 2025-07-30T20:45:32+00:00

No, no, no, misogyny kills with a knife or a gun. Misandry kills with poison and manipulation.

lazymud68 · 2025-07-31T01:03:12+00:00

So saying misogynistic things is fine, according to this flawed logic

MotorEfficiency6502 · 2025-08-01T18:58:58+00:00

Misandry is society's acceptance that men are expected to sacrifice themselves. If misogyny kills thousands, then misandry kills millions.

antixwick999 · 2025-07-30T14:38:10+00:00

One would assume the male suicide rate is clue into it. I mean what's the bigger tragedy someone killing someone else, or someone being driven to kill themselves

Fair-Principle-3756 · 2025-07-30T15:21:49+00:00

This comes from the Margret Atwood quote “men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”. It wasn’t never meant as a factual statistic, rather a comment on society by an author whose work is inspired by this topic.

In terms of data, I’d say femicide stats back it up. Women are killed by men at an extremely high rate globally and the same issue does not exist at a comparable scale when reversed.

CarpetRude5292 · 2025-07-30T19:09:32+00:00

there are 4 times m ore male suicides than female suicides, and misandry is a big part of that. Divorced men that went through divorce court face an 8 times increased risk of suicide (per Kposawa).

RepulsiveCockroach7 · 2025-07-31T13:48:52+00:00

Misogyny doesn't kill, people kill people. Also, I'm sure plenty of the women who've murdered men were misandrist.

the_1st_inductionist · 2025-07-30T15:27:15+00:00

The point is based on the fact the men are bigger, stronger and more aggressive than women. So men hating women have more power to hurt women than women hating men. And men have more power to defend themselves.

Title	Is there data to refute that "misogyny kills; misandry hurts men's feelings"?
Author	RiP_Nd_tear
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Date	July 30, 2025 8:10 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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