Microsoft staff are openly questioning the value of diversity

fuckeveryone________ · 2019-04-21T23:16:52+00:00

That's awesome. I'm glad they aren't all as bad as Google.

DJ-Roukan · 2019-04-22T00:05:27+00:00

Not sure how many ways this can be stated.

It is against the law to discriminate in any and all hiring practices, which includes race and sex.

SoftBlueBottom · 2019-04-21T21:48:09+00:00

That's real wokeness.

just_benj · 2019-04-22T02:09:53+00:00

“The Microsoft author echoes former Google employee James Damore, who in 2017 wrote a memo that went internally viral at Google, leaning on pseudoscience to argue that women aren’t cut out for the tech industry.”

This is blatant misinformation. I’m sure people in this sub are familiar with Damore’s actual argument, which boiled down to trying to explain a difference of interest on average between sexes.

ecgoldsmith · 2019-04-22T03:24:14+00:00

I’m a woman currently studying computer and electrical engineering, and I live a mile away from Microsoft’s main campus. Maybe I’ll apply there; maybe I won’t. But I honestly hope I won’t be hired just because I’m a woman. What pride could I take in any accomplishment thereafter? I want to stand out because of my abilities and work ethnic, not my accidental genetic makeup. I didn’t earn that. It was a genetic luck of the draw, so to speak.

p3ngwin · 2019-04-22T02:31:34+00:00

“Because women used to be actively prohibited from full-time employment many decades ago, there is now the misguided belief that women SHOULD work, and if women AREN’T working, there’s something wrong…. Many women simply aren’t cut out for the corporate rat race, so to speak, and that’s not because of ‘the patriarchy,’ it’s because men and women aren’t identical, and women are much more inclined to gain fulfillment elsewhere.”

*“We still lack any empirical evidence that the demographic distribution in tech is rationally and logically detrimental to the success of the business in this industry***….We have a plethora of data available that demonstrate women are less likely to be interested in engineering AT ALL than men, and it’s not because of any *ism or *phobia or ‘unconscious bias’- it’s because men and women think very differently from each other, and the specific types of thought process and problem solving required for engineering of all kinds (software or otherwise) are simply less prevalent among women. This is an established fact. *However, this established fact makes people very uncomfortable, because it suggests that the gender distribution in engineering might not actually be a problem (and thus women can no longer bleat about being victims of sexism in the workplace), these facts are ignored in favor of meaningless platitudes our SLT [senior leadership team] continues to shove down our throats – e.g. ‘We’re not doing enough’ and ‘we clearly have a long way to go.’”***

“We MUST immediately cease the practice of attaching financial incentives and performance metrics to ‘diversity hiring’ – as long as we give more money and higher annual reviews explicitly for NOT hiring/promoting white men and Asians, this will continue to be a serious problem at the company.”

Awesome, nice to see more people with the courage to start fighting the "diversity and inclusion" trend.

autotldr · 2019-04-21T23:00:21+00:00

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 91%. (I'm a bot)

"Does Microsoft have any plans to end the current policy that financially incentivizes discriminatory hiring practices? To be clear, I am referring to the fact that senior leadership is awarded more money if they discriminate against Asians and white men," read the original post by the Microsoft program manager on Yammer, a corporate messaging platform owned by Microsoft.

Just saying Microsoft has less female than male engineer [sic] is not a valid point," a male Microsoft employee responded to a separate employee who defended the original poster.

Another Microsoft employee said that the Yammer user interface is difficult to manage, and as a result, many in the company avoid using it, so the posts were likely not seen by most of Microsoft's roughly 135,000 employees.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Microsoft#1 employee#2 post#3 women#4 company#5

JaceLightning · 2019-04-22T02:36:29+00:00

The important part of the article is that it's not the men who are questioning it: it's the women.

ThePigmanAgain · 2019-04-22T00:40:47+00:00

Meh, it's just the proletariat complaining. Nothing will change until the bosses want it to.

HardKase · 2019-04-22T02:45:12+00:00

Diversity is great. New perspectives and experiences lead to new ideas.

Forcing it is where the trouble starts. Its something you want to nurture and encourage to grow naturally

Jackson2615 · 2019-04-22T03:27:40+00:00

Australia is heavily into "diversity" in practice this means gender quotas in favour of women and in jobs such as the fire brigade lowering the physical skills requirements so that more women can make the grade.

Taburn · 2019-04-22T04:30:06+00:00

The Microsoft author echoes former Google employee James Damore, who in 2017 wrote a memo that went internally viral at Google, leaning on pseudoscience to argue that women aren’t cut out for the tech industry.

That's not what he said.

Pyromed · 2019-04-22T03:44:37+00:00

"The posts were written by a female Microsoft program manager. Quartz reached out to her directly for comment, and isn’t making her name public at this point, pending her response."

How very noble of them. If only they'd given James Damore the same courtesy. IMO what she said is actually far more controversial that what Damore actually said.

neveragoodtime · 2019-04-22T04:06:43+00:00

It’s accepted as fact that women feel more comfortable working around more woman and we need to increase the woman ratio to fix it. It’s accepted as sexism that men feel comfortable working around so many men and we need to increase the woman ratio to fix it.

AmbitiousAbalone · 2019-04-22T03:37:04+00:00

"To be clear, I am referring to the fact that senior leadership is awarded more money if they discriminate against Asians and white men."

This is pretty much a Title VII lawsuit that needs to be taken up against Microsoft. No other way to stop active discrimination masquerading as affirmative action and diversity hiring.

AmbitiousAbalone · 2019-04-22T03:06:45+00:00

“HR isn’t trying to enforce the inclusive culture that they’re talking about,” one Microsoft employee who read the latest posts by the program manager and responses to them told Quartz. “HR, Satya, all the leadership are sending out emails that they want to have an inclusive culture, but they’re not willing to take any action other than talk about it,” they said. “They allow people to post these damaging, stereotypical things about women and minorities, and they do nothing about it.”

In short, we can't take you to court because you haven't done anything illegal. But we will make a big stink about how your viewpoint damaged us and get you fired. That should make the bunch of you to either shut up or get out. We plan to be inclusive by excluding/firing you for posting opinions about the workplace where you spend most of your time on weekdays.

While silencing the dissenting opinions, they want HR, Satya, and leadership to not just talk but take action about it because they know the only way the corporate administration can act in these politically correct times.

Vektor0 · 2019-04-22T05:08:46+00:00

the company does not tolerate discrimination of any kind.

Our board and executive leadership team believe diverse and inclusive teams are good for business and consistent with our mission ... Linking compensation to these aspirations is an important demonstration of executive commitment to something we believe strongly in.

How do these people not see that any attempt to artificially change the racial or gender makeup of a group is, by definition, discrimination? If you truly think that diversity initiatives are good and important, then discrimination shouldn't be a bad word to you, because you have to discriminate for a group and against another group to accomplish your goal.

--Edog-- · 2019-04-22T03:55:19+00:00

Is that a bug, or a feature?

subud123 · 2019-04-22T04:22:32+00:00

Diversity=less white men

Pwner_Guy · 2019-04-22T06:43:54+00:00

That they can claim James Danmore was using pseudo science in his memo shows the bias of this article in it's total.

ieatarse22 · 2019-04-22T03:01:48+00:00

WHITE MEN RISE UP!

(This is obviously in response to them discriminating against white men everywhere, not a White Vs X race thing you morons)

DignifiedAlpaca · 2019-04-22T14:31:38+00:00

Archive: http://archive.is/WT4jK

Hirudin · 2019-04-22T15:03:11+00:00

Diversity is neither good nor bad and there shouldn't be any "nudging" with regards to ethnicity, sex, or social origin, either for or against it.

according to a significant portion of the social justice movement, this statement is racist, sexist, and classicist.

Potatolover3 · 2019-04-22T05:26:42+00:00

If you are a white Male or Asian in this country it's an uphill battle to be included. Even if you are overqualified for the position. Not just work but also colleges too

DarthCallidous · 2019-04-22T05:56:54+00:00

About time.

still_unresolved · 2019-04-22T07:19:04+00:00

Diversity, feminism are shit

Achack · 2019-04-22T14:11:24+00:00

The Microsoft author echoes former Google employee James Damore, who in 2017 wrote a memo that went internally viral at Google, leaning on pseudoscience to argue that women aren’t cut out for the tech industry.

This article seemed pretty unbiased aside from this quote.

anticultured · 2019-04-22T02:36:10+00:00

Systemic discrimination is the Leftist standard. It is impossible to be a Leftist and be anti-discrimination simultaneously.

Title	Microsoft staff are openly questioning the value of diversity
Author	AmbitiousAbalone
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Date	April 21, 2019 7:27 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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