Mom breaks down child support......

DanPlaysVGames · 2017-08-10T22:38:29+00:00

Do these people think child support means paying 100% for kids? It's child support, not child cover every expense.

HiredMind · 2017-08-10T23:26:19+00:00

560/month car = $30K+

$320/month on freaking iPhones??? Has she not heard of pre-paid plans?

Money is tight because she's throwing it out the f'ing window.

Ted8367 · 2017-08-10T23:06:45+00:00

She's just divided the rent by the number of people, as if each kid were an autonomous adult. What she should have done is allowed for her rent as if she were living alone; then taken just the marginal cost of the increased number of bedrooms the kids would need, as their share. You often see this scam with child support arguments.

MotherFuckin-Oedipus · 2017-08-10T23:20:46+00:00

My mother did something similar with me - letter and all.

My dad had 100% custody and there was never a dime paid in the name of child support in my case, something my mother was always quick to point out. She felt she deserved child support for the few weekends she had me.

She would go on tirades about how unfair it was that she was expected to care for me when my dad wouldn't pay her to do it.

She was especially angry when I was a teenager. I would exercise 8+ hours per day and my daily caloric intake was on the upside of 6000 calories as a result, which admittedly can get expensive.

...The ultimate message she sent by whining about it, though, was that she only cared about money.

Historybuffman · 2017-08-11T00:29:52+00:00

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neightdog · 2017-08-11T04:42:28+00:00

"$7 for a value meal or if I feel like cooking..."

Lol

badhairguy · 2017-08-11T05:02:41+00:00

$600 for 3 kids? This guy must have the world's best lawyer or the world's shittiest paying job. I pay $1200 a month for 2 kids.

Atheist101 · 2017-08-11T06:14:31+00:00

Why is child support paying for herself and her new fuckbuddy

Tar_alcaran · 2017-08-11T07:31:07+00:00

Jesus, someone needs to budget... $470 a month on water, power and heat? 5600 dollar a year on utilities? Does she live on a deserted island?

orphen21 · 2017-08-10T22:41:17+00:00

Said that there are 3 kids, but the math says 5 people... Whose the 5th?

zurrain · 2017-08-11T04:09:42+00:00

I particularly like the part where she's pissing away more money on a car per month than rent and thought that was a reasonable thing to put to paper.

mrwhibbley · 2017-08-11T07:45:29+00:00

Take the monthly bills and subtract 40% for the mom and whoever the 5th person is. Then forget about the $500 car payment. Unless it's a Kia with 24 payments, she doesn't need what she's driving. Child support supports the children, not the mom and new guy.

joedevice · 2017-08-11T09:17:57+00:00

I bet he doesn't get more than 27% visitation though.

CuckKnight · 2017-08-11T10:39:39+00:00

I hope this lady has stopped breeding. Intelligence is highly heritable and by the looks of her expenses breakdown, she wont be passing on much in the way of that attribute to her kids.

$560 monthly per kid for food is outrageous. If she is spending $20 per day on groceries for each kid, she must be eating tenderloin steak for each meal to include breakfast. She also must not be having them buy lunch at school (which is generally affordable since it is subsidized by the government). A reasonable amount to spend on groceries for each kid every month is $250, less than half of what she claimed.

$64 monthly per kid for the phone bill is the next outrageous thing. Thanks to family plan savings, it should be no more than $30 monthly per kid for the phone bill and $10 monthly per kid for the actual smartphone which does not need to be upgraded every year and can actually last three to four years.

$150 monthly for cable and internet is not a necessary expense. I could see something like $75 for basic cable and basic internet, but I'm almost certain that the plans she has include things like premium channels.

I'm also convinced she pulled the even $100 figure for water and $100 figure for gas out of her rotten fishing hole. No way do I see her paying $100 for gas AND $270 for electricity.

Finally, what about the tax breaks she gets for claiming each of her three children as dependents? Why didn't she factor that into her breakdown? Wouldn't that combined with the reasonable reductions in everything else make it so that the dad paid close to 1/2 of the total expenses? Oh I forgot, she's a moron who wasn't really trying to do an accurate breakdown of expenses. This bitter and entitled dumbass just wanted to whine about her perceived unfair disparity between her and her exes financial contributions while trying to pass herself off as being the snarky intelligent parent to her echo chamber of whiny single mom tumors.

Did you guys ever see this ABC investigation on the myth of the deadbeat dad (and the whining, dishonest single mom)?

Stripes1974 · 2017-08-11T08:17:32+00:00

The biggest issue I have with this is not about the child support-- though I do have issues with the (supposed) mother's breakdown of things.

It is the fact that, rather than speaking to the (presumed) father about this, she's ranting and basically cursing out the children in this.

What did the children do to deserve her vitrol?
And if she was going to have so much resentment about it, then she should have given the children to him.
This (presumed) woman may feel frustrated and overworked and underappreciated, but she's taking those feeling out on the children. That is wrong.

MilesInLove · 2017-08-11T02:45:54+00:00

Holy crap your living expense are cheaper, where can I get rent for $700 a month?

merton1111 · 2017-08-11T07:50:46+00:00

It's sad to see parents write improper english and swear words to kids...

_lostdad · 2017-08-11T08:51:34+00:00

Leaving aside that the figures seem to have come from Bernie Madoffs accountant. Practically all have missed one important and sad point - The letter is to the children, in answer to a gripe from him. She should not have brought the children into this. She should be taking her disagreements straight to the father.

All she wants to do with this piece of paper is devalue the father in the child's eyes. What sort of effect will that have? Additionally, it legitimises the fact with children that it is perfectly acceptable to pay a sum that equates to half the monthly rent on luxuries (iphones).

orphen21 · 2017-08-11T13:01:44+00:00

This is a very good point. Children are crazy expensive when young, and get slightly cheaper to take care of as they get older.

Juan_Golt · 2017-08-11T15:13:58+00:00

Who spends $736/month on their car + insurance, when their rent is $700/month?

Perhaps invest in a financial literacy class.

Luchadorgreen · 2017-08-11T15:55:39+00:00

But he also doesn't get to see his kids most of the time...why the fuck should he cover every single expense if he barely gets to see the kid grow up.

Tone1337 · 2017-08-11T16:04:04+00:00

According to her math...she makes waaaay more than her ex. Really, whats the problem? Oh, I know...he actually has good stuff and a good apt/house and car that you want.

BisquitBill · 2017-08-11T06:50:39+00:00

Now, someone give me one good goddamned reason to have kids or have wife.

Dank_Meems · 2017-08-11T15:40:24+00:00

"Work my ass off"
Part-time front desk jobs don't count, sweetie.

Momofteenageboys · 2017-08-28T13:01:11+00:00

I am the mom of a 16 and 13 year old boys. We live in Northern VA right outside of Washington DC. The cost of living is extremely high. I would kill to have a 700 rent or mortgage. For a 3 bedroom town home or apartment, one can expect to pay 1600-2200 a month here. 1600 would be in places you most likely do not want to raise your children.

One could argue, we should just move to a place that doesn't cost as much. If I did, then I would be moving the children away from their father and family. That would not cultivate a relationship between them.

This month I have paid 1988.00 mortgage (which is less than what is would cost to rent out town home in our neighborhood). 289.00 electric. 75.00 gas. 90 water. 250 cable/internet/phone. 240 cell phone bill.

The cost of groceries have shy rocketed, and I am feeding two teenage athletes. A lot of nights, there isn't enough time to cook because the commute where I live is also insane with traffic and I get home around 7pm and then I am running around picking up the children from their activities getting home around 8-8:30. So grabbing something at a drive thru happens a lot. We all know how much a value meal costs.

To make spaghetti 2lbs of ground beef costs 14.00. Noodles, sauce, and other ingredients is about another 10.00. This is one meal not including the other meals and snacks they eat through each day.

Mortgage and food are the biggest expense each month.

Let's not even get started on gas driving them around or football and soccer items associated with their sports activities.

Their father pays 600 per month. That is 10.00 per day per child. And he thinks he should not have to contribute another dime to the children because he Pays child support.

Here is my question, 600 doesn't even feed them all month. What exactly does he think that pays? When school shoes clothes are needed he somehow thinks my bills decrease that month or the kids don't eat that month and I suddenly have an extra 500-800 to do it alone. These kids are in grown men size clothing and shoes. And it is not cheap.

He buys them One gift of xmas, because "he pays child support" and bdays they are lucky to get a gift. So child support isn't supposed to cover their daily care?

The fact is, custodial parents cover more than 50% of the cost associated with raising the children bc they see how far child support actually goes. In my case, not far at all. Although their father will speak as if he is supporting me somehow.

It ridiculous how someone will let their child go without because they do not understand the effects of not having 2 incomes in a household.

People will not ever understand it until they experience it themselves.

bubbak427 · 2017-08-11T12:46:47+00:00

I feel like people are taking g this letter the wrong way. I don't agree with the way the child support system or custody system works but I do understand the reason for this letter. I was once a stepfather to two children who had an absent father. I was the breadwinner in the houshould and I saw him change jobs over 20 times in one year because they would take child support out of his check and he'd quit. He didn't want to support me. I was more than capable of taking care of myself and he never would have to worry about that. On the other hand, my brother has had 4 kids with 4 different women. He had full custody of 2 and split custody of one. The other one has a more than capable mother and he gets him on the weekends. The one that he has equal custody of has a manipulative mother. She split for 4 years after they got equal custody and started filling her head with all kinds of things to make her not like her dad. Point is, I have seen parents manipulate other people through their children. For the mother of this letter to take the time to write this, it is apparent to me that the father is the one not happy and using the kids to manipulate the mother. For a father to tell his kids that the money he sends to belong to them is unfairly involving the kids in financial matters that they should not have to worry about. We don't know how old the kids are in this situation. I wouldn't want money that I send for my kids to be wasted on junk when it could be used for their support. It seems based on the tone of the letter that the father has told the kids that the $600 should be an allowance to them and they have gotten the mentally that they are entitled to spend it how they please. We can guess closely that the kids involved are in their teens based on the language the mother used and the fact that they all have iPhones. If we assume 1-2 years apart we can say the kids may be 14, 16 and 17. Me now would not trust 14 year old me with $200 a month to do as I please. I think it's wrong for the dad to try to use the kids to manipulate the mother. He unfortunately has to send $600 a month into the household budget of his children. It is not his budget to be concerned with any more. As long as his kids are being provided for and he is not going to jail, that should be the end of it. Imagine the rolls reversed where the dad wrote the letter.

Tldr: mom is probably on the defense.

ThatNinaGAL · 2017-08-11T14:53:11+00:00

I'm guessing a mom with primary custody of three teens has an ex who has fully embraced the "fun dad" role and thinks his $600/month should buy treats for his kids. When they ask him for gifts, he gets resentful that his child support is going to necessities rather than being used for fun stuff - even though iPhones are undeniably a luxury item.

The mom draws a line in the sand about the bullshit, probably after about a million "do not discuss financial matters with our children" conversations with her ex. R/mensrights rushed to make the most negative assumptions possible about the way she runs her household, since it's impossible to criticize the actual dollar amount of the support order, which is waaaaay less than half the cost of maintaining three teens.

Title	Mom breaks down child support......
Author	deconstruct2000
Upvotes	73
Comments	80
Date	August 10, 2017 10:27 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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