"Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," pointing to an obvious example: the way schools have cut recess. "They're making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters."

Tebbo · 2014-03-16T16:07:58+00:00

The article is behind a pay-wall.

BootStampingOnAHuman · 2014-03-16T17:58:43+00:00

Paglia is a great writer on feminism and modern gender issues.

"‘What you’re seeing is how a civilization commits suicide,” says Camille Paglia. This self-described “notorious Amazon feminist” isn’t telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can’t Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that’s just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation…..

Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. “Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It’s oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys,” she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. “They’re making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters.”

She is not the first to make this argument, as Ms. Paglia readily notes. Fellow feminist Christina Hoff Sommers has written about the “war against boys” for more than a decade. The notion was once met with derision, but now data back it up: Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college….

She sees the tacit elevation of “female values”—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. “This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it’s all about neutralization of maleness.”

trydoingitbackwards · 2014-03-16T19:16:55+00:00

I didn't read the article because im not paying for it, but from the title I can say from experience that school was the worst thing to happen to me. All my energy and aspirations seemed to be slowly drained from me everyday. I used to be happy but after years of bullshit and having almost no control of how I wanted to lead myself. And you learned at one flat rate, which made me become one of those smart but lazy people because it was too easy to even try. There are so many factors that made it terrible, and it seems to be getting worse.

slideforlife · 2014-03-16T21:24:07+00:00

“The truth is that schools don’t really teach anything except how to obey orders. This is a great mystery to me because thousands of humane, caring people work in schools as teachers and aides and administrators, but the abstract logic of the institution overwhelms their individual contributions." John Taylor Gatto, New York City Teacher of the Year

Vranak · 2014-03-16T20:30:35+00:00

Here's the copypasta'd article, here's a link to the cached version.

'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia. This self-described "notorious Amazon feminist" isn't telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can't Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that's just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation.

When Ms. Paglia, now 66, burst onto the national stage in 1990 with the publishing of "Sexual Personae," she immediately established herself as a feminist who was the scourge of the movement's establishment, a heretic to its orthodoxy. Pick up the 700-page tome, subtitled "Art and Decadence From Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, " and it's easy to see why. "If civilization had been left in female hands," she wrote, "we would still be living in grass huts."

The fact that the acclaimed book—the first of six; her latest, "Glittering Images," is a survey of Western art—was rejected by seven publishers and five agents before being printed by Yale University Press only added to Ms. Paglia's sense of herself as a provocateur in a class with Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern. But unlike those radio jocks, Ms. Paglia has scholarly chops: Her dissertation adviser at Yale was Harold Bloom, and she is as likely to discuss Freud, Oscar Wilde or early Native American art as to talk about Miley Cyrus.

Neil Davies

Ms. Paglia relishes her outsider persona, having previously described herself as an egomaniac and "abrasive, strident and obnoxious." Talking to her is like a mental CrossFit workout. One moment she's praising pop star Rihanna ("a true artist"), then blasting ObamaCare ("a monstrosity," though she voted for the president), global warming ("a religious dogma"), and the idea that all gay people are born gay ("the biggest canard," yet she herself is a lesbian).

But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality."

The results, she says, can be seen in everything from the dysfunction in Washington (where politicians "lack practical skills of analysis and construction") to what women wear. "So many women don't realize how vulnerable they are by what they're doing on the street," she says, referring to women who wear sexy clothes.

When she has made this point in the past, Ms. Paglia—who dresses in androgynous jackets and slacks—has been told that she believes "women are at fault for their own victimization." Nonsense, she says. "I believe that every person, male and female, needs to be in a protective mode at all times of alertness to potential danger. The world is full of potential attacks, potential disasters." She calls it "street-smart feminism."

Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. "Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. "They're making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters."

She is not the first to make this argument, as Ms. Paglia readily notes. Fellow feminist Christina Hoff Sommers has written about the "war against boys" for more than a decade. The notion was once met with derision, but now data back it up: Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

Ms. Paglia observes this phenomenon up close with her 11-year-old son, Lucien, whom she is raising with her ex-partner, Alison Maddex, an artist and public-school teacher who lives 2 miles away. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" about sex, and by keeping "raunchy" thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.

Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America's brawny industrial base, leaves many men with "no models of manhood," she says. "Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There's nothing left. There's no room for anything manly right now." The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm "inspires me as a writer," she says, adding: "If we had to go to war," the callers "are the men that would save the nation."

And men aren't the only ones suffering from the decline of men. Women, particularly elite upper-middle-class women, have become "clones" condemned to "Pilates for the next 30 years," Ms. Paglia says. "Our culture doesn't allow women to know how to be womanly," adding that online pornography is increasingly the only place where men and women in our sexless culture tap into "primal energy" in a way they can't in real life.

A key part of the remedy, she believes, is a "revalorization" of traditional male trades—the ones that allow women's studies professors to drive to work (roads), take the elevator to their office (construction), read in the library (electricity), and go to gender-neutral restrooms (plumbing).

" Michelle Obama's going on: 'Everybody must have college.' Why? Why? What is the reason why everyone has to go to college? Especially when college is so utterly meaningless right now, it has no core curriculum" and "people end up saddled with huge debts," says Ms. Paglia. What's driving the push toward universal college is "social snobbery on the part of a lot of upper-middle-class families who want the sticker in the window."

Ms. Paglia, who has been a professor of humanities and media studies at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia since 1984, sees her own students as examples. "I have woodworking students who, even while they're in class, are already earning money making furniture and so on," she says. "My career has been in art schools cause I don't get along with normal academics."

To hear her tell it, getting along has never been Ms. Paglia's strong suit. As a child, she felt stifled by the expectations of girlhood in the 1950s. She fantasized about being a knight, not a princess. Discovering pioneering female figures as a teenager, most notably Amelia Earhart, transformed Ms. Paglia's understanding of what her future might hold.

These iconoclastic women of the 1930s, like Earhart and Katharine Hepburn, remain her ideal feminist role models: independent, brave, enterprising, capable of competing with men without bashing them. But since at least the late 1960s, she says, fellow feminists in the academy stopped sharing her vision of "equal-opportunity feminism" that demands a level playing field without demanding special quotas or protections for women.

She proudly recounts her battle, while a graduate student at Yale in the late 1960s and early '70s, with the New Haven Women's Liberation Rock Band over the Rolling Stones: Ms. Paglia loved "Under My Thumb," a song the others regarded as chauvinist. Then there was the time she "barely got through the dinner" with a group of women's studies professors at Bennington College, where she had her first teaching job, who insisted that there is no hormonal difference between men and women. "I left before dessert."

In her view, these ideological excesses bear much of the blame for the current cultural decline. She calls out activists like Gloria Steinem, Naomi Wolf and Susan Faludi for pushing a version of feminism that says gender is nothing more than a social construct, and groups like the National Organization for Women for making abortion the singular women's issue.

By denying the role of nature in women's lives, she argues, leading feminists created a "denatured, antiseptic" movement that "protected their bourgeois lifestyle" and falsely promised that women could "have it all." And by impugning women who chose to forgo careers to stay at home with children, feminists turned off many who might have happily joined their ranks.

P_G_T_Beauregard · 2014-03-16T17:58:49+00:00

So glad I got to go to Catholic school; we had ample recess and PE every other day. I would have gone insane without these respites from the drudgery of class.

bear_sausage · 2014-03-16T16:07:14+00:00

This seems correct.

SweetieKat · 2014-03-16T17:14:50+00:00

As a primary school educator, I don't know what goes on in every school. I can only talk about what goes on at my school.

PE is being cut. This is bad. Actually, lots of thing are being cut. I wish we could have infinite amounts of money for education, but we don't.

On the plus side, we have a lot more paraprofessionals working with children with disabilities at the school. This means that the schools are becoming more inclusive. We include children with severe mental and physical conditions in the classroom.

Back to PE though. Educators know PE is important for both physical and cognitive development. So you hear how our schools like ours cut PE, but what you may not hear is how the homeroom teachers like myself pick up the slack. The PE teacher only comes in a few times a week at most, but the students get about an hour of PE per day even if I'm the one out there organizing everything. We also have after-school programs children can partake in if they need an extra outlet.

On a flip side, I don't want to turn the need for PE and recess into a gendered issue. Both boys and girls need exercise, and some girls need an outlet for their energy more than some of the boys. It all depends on the child, but boys do tend to mature a tad slower than the girls making it difficult for some boys to "sit still."

Educators know all this. And we want to empower all our students. Students should not be exposed to toxic environments at school.

slideforlife · 2014-03-16T18:21:18+00:00

can someone paste the text pls? i don't have a subscription.

ByronicAsian · 2014-03-18T18:09:49+00:00

I hated sports so I usually spent recess doing and HW assignments due the next day or following week so I had more time to play MoH, CoD (the first one, oh god the memories), and Rainbow 6.

To each their own I guess.

DolphinSixFive · 2014-03-16T20:23:31+00:00

She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality."

People are comically ignorant of the risks of having an all-volunteer force made up of a tiny portion of the country that is isolated, geographically and/or culturally, from the rest of the population.

slideforlife · 2014-03-16T21:30:13+00:00

i don't know.... can't I believe that gender norms ARE social constructs and still be MRA?

I think it would be great if there were more women doing dirty dangerous work and more men having the option to do something safer and cleaner.

nuchamploo · 2014-03-16T18:47:53+00:00

Looks promising? Anyone have a non-paywall link?

bh3244 · 2014-03-17T02:21:47+00:00

private school/homeschooling looks better and better. anything thing related with the government quickly becomes a piece of shit.

mikepinkerman · 2014-03-17T05:06:28+00:00

"Our Education System teaches conformity and obedience" - Noam Chomsky

VaginalAssaultRifles · 2014-03-16T17:36:01+00:00

Going to buck the mainstream of mensrights on this one. This was going on in the 80s when I was in primary school, and I hated it at the time... But the reality is that fighting back made me strong enough to compete in the real world. Beating down masculinity through cut-throat competition is the way of the world after primary school, too - might as well prepare them for it early.

kronox · 2014-03-16T16:07:00+00:00

That's a crazy stretch of things. I hate this sensationalized language like "oppressed" thrown out at every perceiveable problem.

NWOslave · 2014-03-16T14:59:12+00:00

Because that's what leftists do, the state is their manmade god and so the state has the force of arms to dictate everyones faith. The plan for the last century in the good old USA has been to set the state up as the defacto faith of so called democracy. All your morals and ethics are dictated by the state. The rally cry of separation of church and state is a constant drone by your mediagod, yet in this country the church has never held any power over the state, but everyone nods their heads like good little drones and repeats their state approved phrases. Now go run to your churchstate like good little leftists and moan how you've been wronged.

YeOldeDog · 2014-03-17T00:45:17+00:00

"She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts."

Yea, lets not teach boys about sensitivity, socialization and cooperation, you dont want to risk ridding the male gender of entrenched alexithymia, it would put feminism out of business. You need to mould boys into the legendary heroes of old manhood to keep perpetuating the same old tough guy shit so there are enough damaged men to keep the gender war going.

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