Ray Rice: The elevator video

TriflingHotDogVendor · 2014-09-08T13:16:10+00:00

Good that they got this evidence. Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law for inexcusably violent behavior.

Of course, it makes me wonder where the outrage is when a star does something like this to a man. Pacman Jones had a thug in his entourage literally cripple a human being that happened to have a penis and nobody seemed to care. Hope Solo beat up her underage nephew, yet she's already playing again. As usual, society shrugs at violence towards men.

SleepingSheeple · 2014-09-08T13:50:32+00:00

If he had k,o'd a man who was the same size as his wife, I wonder if this would have gotten the same attention?

AlphaWookie · 2014-09-08T19:40:26+00:00

Now that we have the whole video it's safe and fair to fire Ray Rice.

SunriseSurprise · 2014-09-08T19:41:49+00:00

I just had an interesting exchange on the big thread on this and was labeled a victim blamer.

If this was a case of two male friends or strangers or whatever with equivalent sizes, there wouldn't be a person on the planet who would say the smaller guy wouldn't be stupid to hit a drunk guy many times their size in the midst of an argument. It's stupid, plain and simple. It's not saying it's right for bigger guy to knock them out in return, but if you value your life, you don't do something that might jeopardize it.

Make the little guy a woman and all of a sudden everything is about what he did, and you can't say "hey, maybe it wasn't the smartest thing in the world for her to hit a big buff drunk guy in the middle of an argument" because holy shit, you're a victim blamer.

That said, I hope the law throws the book at Ray Rice - NFL players and celebrities in general get coddled by society way too much - they should get the same punishment any of the rest of us would get.

AlongAustower · 2014-09-08T18:29:41+00:00

againstmensrights is gonna have a field day reading these comments

BBQ_HaX0r · 2014-09-08T21:54:24+00:00

I've been reading a lot of comments and hearing this story all day (on the radio, on the internet, social media) and I feel like I need somewhere to vent. Especially after seeing Mark Schwarz (google what he did with regards to Bernie Fine -- he shouldn't have a job as a journalist) reporting it on ESPN and then Ray Lewis making moral judgments about the situation on ESPN. I need to type up my thoughts and vent.

Domestic violence is awful. The level of intimacy and trust involved in a relationship makes domestic violence worse to some degree than other forms of violence, in my opinion. Example, so that statement doesn't get misinterpreted: I think hitting your spouse is worse than hitting someone who is not your spouse or somehow in an intimate relationship with you. Hitting your spouse is worse than hitting a random person for a variety of factors. However, this story has bugged me from the beginning (2 guys is tough, no 6 games, no whole season, no never again!!!). The hypocrisy and sexism that is oozing from this is really aggravating me.

People proclaiming how wrong it is to hit a woman and how 'true men' must have respect for women as if it's not a two-way street. Now I'm not about to proclaim I know what happened in that elevator or what preceded it other than Ray Rice knocked out his fiance. Meaning, I don't know who was the aggressor or where the majority of fault lays. However, this idea that women are weak and need special treatment and that ONLY because a women was the victim is this such an egregious act abhors me. However, the mob hath spoken!

So are women weak and need protection or are they equals with men? These notions seem contradictory. The former notion, which seems what many people are advocating today, leads to codification of prejudice which then leads to inequality amongst the sexes on various levels. Women are thus considered 'weak' or 'special' and this can have negative consequences in schools. And then society where they are seen as 'less strong' than men and therefore 'not as good' or unable to do similar things with that of a man, and thus that they need a man to protect them. I find those assumptions faulty and problematic. Being a victim can also be a two way street of positives and negatives. It also has positive impacts on women who are then given lesser penalties for the same act (see: sentencing in court rooms) or viewed upon as more caring and thus given preference in custody cases, and lastly given the benefit of the doubt in volatile situations such as domestic violence which often sees the man at fault regardless. This all seems inconsistent with what I believe and what I'm told, that women are equal with men.

People are outraged after seeing a gruesome act of violence? What has changed since the video first emerged months ago with Ray Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of the elevator? What did people think happened in that elevator that resulted in that? A tickling competition? C'mon people, now we're outraged? Now he can longer be a member of an NFL team? The outrage is another matter entirely.

I think about the Hope Solo situation and how little reaction that got. Many people probably didn't bat an eye and ESPN gave it a cursory mention. Granted the situations are not identical (USWNT Star v. NFL Star), nor is there video; however, it'll be interesting to see the reaction it garners in the wake of this as her trial date approaches. The point is this is not a man versus woman issue, it's a problem that afflicts many relationships and men and women are both victims and abusers. It's highly complicated. The hypocrisy and sexism by the mob and media is driving me nuts.

I'm sorry for venting and it may be somewhat incoherent. I appreciate it if anyone actually read it as I don't feel like posting a tl;dr. I need to go for a run and play some Football Manager. I thought sports were supposed to be escapism...

notnotnotfred · 2014-09-08T12:32:25+00:00

TMZ "smoothed it out"

FYI -- Ray and Janay got married one month after the attack.

This video is a cleaned up version of the raw surveillance elevator video -- the raw is jerky ... so we smoothed it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsd8LtTTnAI

shileno56 · 2014-09-08T14:20:19+00:00

There´s TWO blows with the left. First one, harder to see, is at :25 (you can see her head going to her left, his body and knees rotating along with the blow. Then she comes forward and walks into the the blow that levels her at :27.

TheWhite_MaceWindu · 2014-09-09T19:04:56+00:00

Why is it "violence against women," on all of the news? How can we get people to object to about "violence against people?" How can we open a dialogue about sexism?

thatrecognizableface · 2014-09-10T14:53:11+00:00

rather than creating a meme i've decided to post this unpopular opinion here since the puffin has been banned apparently.

I am in no way condoning Ray Rice's behavior whatsoever, but i am disturbed at the NFL imposition of such a harsh punishment. Never have a seen before such a switch be flipped that changed a man's life. There were probably many things that lead to the incident that happened in the elevator, but for it to have such such far reaching repercussions is astounding. I find it hard to believe that this athlete can lose his career over one domestic violence incident. He loses endorsement deals and his livelihood with one mistake. I just can't understand it. I do believe there should be punishment for his actions but this is just over the top. His entire life is being turned upside down for something goes on everyday in America. His celebrity status is the only thing that brought this to the front page and sad to see such a harsh penalty levied for one mistake. he'll now be paying for it for the rest of his life.

countingtotenagain · 2014-09-11T10:20:17+00:00

This is a great distracriin , but a wonderful example of many things. Having been hit by an unknown-to-me, nasty, large, fat cunt.....sorry, a sister-of-the-lords,wonderful, tall, big-boned, cunt!; I hit back. It had nothing to do with treating women equally so a lesson is learned, nor was it a poor me I'm a victim . it was because anyone who strike me will get stuck back as best I can. It sure made a difference in her attitude. She went from being a fing-bitch with a big mouth, who had nothing to do with the first situation, but decided to involve herself. To a poor me victim Swearing cry baby who provoked others around her to come at me, whilst calling the police. For my part, I have never gone out of my way to fight anyone. The store cameras picked up the complete situation clear enough that the police knew that she , not only hit me first, but called in the white knight thugs to ruff me up. Did I get charged? No; But nor did she. And they say "it's a mans world." I'd like to meet the theys and point out the faults in their thinking. P.S. in Canada we do not have the choice to press or not press charges. That is up to the police to judge if a crime has been committed ( that there is a good chance that the crown council will take the case for prosecution, based upon a good or high chance of a conviction) or you have a penis, that does not spend most of its play time in a rectum.

muramasa1990 · 2014-09-10T22:12:36+00:00

U know he deserves to lose his career Ya she may have hit him but dosnt change the fact he's double her size even if she's aggressive he could have just walked away when elevator stoped not like she could have done any extensive damage to him stop focussing on she hit him just cause a little kid hits u you don't knock em out do u same situation to me

Ransom_Stoddard · 2014-09-09T02:56:51+00:00

A lot of you people must have seen a different video than me. I saw her hit him in the face outside the elevator, then about 10 seconds later she went after him again in the elevator - you could tell he was prepared and waiting for it - and he defended himself and she got knocked out because of her aggression.

masterrod · 2014-09-08T23:05:09+00:00

I've seen comments about this all over the internet. But why isn't the woman charged with anything? She provoked the attack to begin with...

Surely his force was excessive, but at any rate it wasn't an unprovoked attack. Women shouldn't' be allowed to beat on men.

escher1 · 2014-09-08T16:02:03+00:00

It's obvious she was toying with him... "poking the bear" so to speak

It seems he was waiting for her she arrives he's obviously upset about something and she doesn't care

He makes a noise at her she slaps him knowing that will infuriate him

They get in the elevator , she elbows him in the face he slaps her a little and steps back to the other side of the elevator..

SHE LUNGES AT HIM... He slaps her head, her body falls and her chin hits the railing

Ray could have handled this differently, but it's obvious to me she initiated physical aggression, and she was antagonizing him... also she lunged at him in the elevator

Also rays contact was not what knocked her out, it was the rail

Hindsight is 20/20, Ray could have and should have restrained her instead of hitting, but most of us know how emotions can effect us when dealing with significant others and we don't expect things to get out of control...

The way I see it, Ray is sorry his wife is sorry, it was probably 50/50 fault and they have both forgiven each other.. Ray is not a woman beater this seems it was a snowballed accident/ event...

We still don't know what exactly they were tusseling over and I'm sure we'll never know that

I may be defending Ray a little more because he's on the team I root for, but If the situation were more lopsided and it seemed that he was the aggressor, I would not be ok with it and would definitely shun Ray, but here to me it seems that she was at fault at least as much as he was and that she was the one who started the physical nature of the argument they were having, this fact can't just be ignored and looked past

TRPACC · 2014-09-08T14:55:03+00:00

He defended himself from her first attack and moved away, then she came for a second attack and he defended himself, she fell and hit her head on the rail.

As the research says, the strongest predictor of a woman being injured by DV, is her own initiation of violence.

152515 · 2014-09-08T15:51:07+00:00

She hit him first. He backed away and she came at him again. Glad he didn't get in more trouble.

Fastbreak99 · 2014-09-08T14:25:11+00:00

Under what circumstances would you hit Mike Tyson? Watching that video the most glaring thing is the difference in the bodies of her and him.

I argue that her hitting him is kind of like me hitting Mike Tyson. I can't imagine a situation where I would be so lucky as to walk away only getting as beat up as she did.

Watch the video. She hits him twice. Once behind the column, once in the elevator before he returns her aggression. Why did she feel so entitled to hit him? Has she no common sense? If she had not hit him - twice - he would not have hit her.

In fact, she got knocked out from hitting the rail in the elevator. For such a big guy, I think he was showing a bit of self control.

Title	Ray Rice: The elevator video
Author	notnotnotfred
Upvotes	18
Comments	127
Date	September 8, 2014 12:27 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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