We are frogs in boiling water....

makosh22 · 2022-07-16T16:26:46+00:00

I read a lot of comments that ppl are angry and disappointed with current media stream - all that staff you described above. Pll complain about flat characters, stupid dialogs, idiotic plots, intrusive propaganda, etc. I really hope that money loss (like Netflix lately) will crash them. I know that it will strike all the ppl involved... but without it won't work.

aidank91 · 2022-07-16T17:38:40+00:00

Keep them all divided with caste, religion, war, racism and now sexism. Interesting how everyone squabbles on these obvious well orchestrated division tactics as we're all distracted with meaningless (in a higher sense) things while the elite can do their bidding. Men have it hardest these days because of the media and what they push. It's just so obvious at this point. Getting played by the master of puppets.

zogins · 2022-07-16T20:23:16+00:00

In Europe it is illegal to specify gender, age, race etc when advertising for a job position but of course there is then the interviewing process where the real discrimination occurs.

Southpark - the cartoon series made several episodes showing that Disney is an evil company ad they also made episodes showing the stupidity of hate crimes. This one is about hate crimes: https://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/1fr0nc/south-park-cartman-s-silly-hate-crime-2000-season-4-ep-2

copeharderhun · 2022-07-16T17:55:24+00:00

We have this issue in cybersecurity. Average women will get hired over far more experienced males just for the diversity points. It's honestly fucking tiring. Thankfully my country hasn't been infested so much by this yet but it's on the way pretty quick, but whenever I look at international stuff I'm amazed at all the "women only X" or "X spots guaranteed to women" etc. Doesn't help a large percentage of cybersecurity guys are very easily manipulated by feminists because they aren't used to female attention (you'll notice this is why traditionally "nerdy" fields like card games, video games, software dev etc get wokeified so quick).

All so fucking tiring I swear.

Arch_Stanton1862 · 2022-07-16T16:10:41+00:00

You're not alone.. But I don't have any advice... You described it perfectly.

the-lone-squid · 2022-07-16T17:12:44+00:00

Probably related to why the quality of movies has gone down

BDT81 · 2022-07-16T16:22:44+00:00

I've noticed it. Doubly so in media.

throwawayiamdone · 2022-07-16T18:03:04+00:00

My current job has more female managers than male, and none of the females has done any or very little of the grunt work and all the males spent at least 10 years at the place before promotion.

IanHawkess · 2022-07-16T16:30:39+00:00

You’re far from alone. Look at arts, publishing, music etc etc. Affluent women want these jobs, and they’re coming for them. They’re tilting the decks in their favour and know it. Why do you think the pile-ons are SO intense when someone points out what’s happening? They know they’ve got a brilliant opportunity to advance their careers by mobilising around this agenda, and also it’s an opportunity for the (white male) senior management to atone for their original sin of ‘whiteness’ by pushing this agenda as much as they can. It’s cost-free (to them) and makes them look good.

But yeah, watching women that started on 3rd and claim ‘oppression’ is infuriating, especially when we (the hated white male) have worked our asses off for every single little scrap we have.

I hate them. I’ll do as little as possible to advance any woman’s’ career. They’ve got enough people focussing on their advancement. They don’t need me adding my voice to the chorus. Instead I focus on the scrappy white males - the ones that never had any money/mommydaddy connections and are going to be truly fucked by this agenda.

I HATE that they’ve made me think like this. I’d happily have done anything for anyone I thought was worth the time and energy in the past - male/female/black/white/whatever. They decided to focus on ‘equity’ and not ‘equality’ so as far as I’m concerned this is on them.

NibblyPig · 2022-07-16T20:07:52+00:00

I feel the only way to succeed as a man these days is to be irreplaceable. They can't put a gender quota in if there are no female candidates. Go into something technical, engineering or construction.

Not everyone wants to do that but unless you do you risk being replaced by someone worse because they have a vagina or they're brown.

NonnyNu · 2022-07-16T20:37:42+00:00

You should try working for a fair company. Try PureFlix? It’s not just religious programming there. I’m sure they could use your expertise to improve their content and distribution. Why not support a company that supports you? Also,,try the company started by John Schneider (of Dukes of Hazard fame).

P.S. I cancelled my Netflix subscription several years ago exactly bc of the woke programming. Even with their recent house cleaning and virtue signaling in the opposite direction, I’m not going back. They are obviously signaling that they will now serve their customers, but shouldn’t they have been doing that this whole time? Fool me once, shame on them. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Doogie76 · 2022-07-16T18:52:51+00:00

Just declare yourself trans. Problem solved and you'll probably get a promotion

Izalias · 2022-07-16T16:43:03+00:00

This is what you are supposed to do, don't go quietly, make noise, be loud, the evil of the world hates it when you complain about being wronged, it is not convenient for them.

g1455ofwater · 2022-07-16T18:01:56+00:00

Yeah I've lost interest in most modern entertainment. Feminist extremism started taking over close to 10 years ago so I'd be suspicious of anything made in that time period.

cdh1003 · 2022-07-16T17:56:40+00:00

Claim to be transgender. At least on Wednesdays.

panzerbeorn · 2022-07-16T21:29:13+00:00

What you’re experiencing now is pervasive through many industries as we saw with the male name vs female name resume experiment posted here recently. I’m living it now as a job seeker. I don’t know what we can do other than bring attention to the injustice of it.

GnomeChompy · 2022-07-16T22:45:54+00:00

The one piece of advice I have: if you plan to leave your industry, make sure to do it with absolutely ZERO notice. Drop your shit and force those fucks to pick up the mess.

Did that myself a couple years back and it instantly made my toxicly misandric ex-boss realise my true worth, since they could not find a single replacement who wanted to apply for the position (or so my friend on the insode told me). This triggered a pretty big downscaling of the organisation.

If enough of us do the same. Just... walk away, eventually money will talk louder than feminsm and other EDI initiatives.

gixxer · 2022-07-16T19:00:52+00:00

Discrimination by sex and skin color is technically illegal. If you collect enough evidence you can sue.

Of course you know how it goes. You face an uphill battle so you really need a mountain of evidence, and even then the outcome is far from certain. Just look at what happened to Johnny Depp.

Oh and what you describe is extremely common. It got to the point that when dealing with a woman I assume she is a diversity hire until proven otherwise.

PotentialSecond68 · 2022-07-16T23:10:28+00:00

Nobody is more hated than a straight white male

beleidigtewurst · 2022-07-17T12:31:17+00:00

Vote with your wallet.

Corps are complying because there is a push from our liberazi overlords who-can-smear-almost-anyone.

If there is pushback, things might change. E.g. that embarrassing advertisement by Gillette. Or how woke Star Wars went.

PhotojournalistOk763 · 2022-07-17T15:50:16+00:00

I'm a black male who work in innabliveral city. I must speaks of the professional conundrum that exist in the work place that's been run by a majority of woman . These women are terrible at their jobs ,yet they're the ones in mostbof the executive and management positions . The best run units are managed by males ,but that doesn't seem to stop their push for diversity instead of competency . The patriarchy is fucked and so is society, because women are terrible guardians of power , and not even women respect the authority of women .

ForgotOldAcc-_- · 2022-07-16T18:43:26+00:00

Media companies lost million in the last year due to wokeness. The sentence "get woke go broke" is flowing around in the higher echelons of most companies. At the end of the day the most share holders are old white men and they only do woke shit when they think it works. We all ay what happened to lightyear and top gun. The woke movie flopped the other exploded.

I'm pretty we are nearing a junction. Wither full woke or 180. The society is more splitt than ever. We either go one direction or we collapse. And the sad reality is we are gonna collapse while countries like China or Russia do what they want/grow stronger and stronger....

RedcloudGeorge · 2022-07-16T22:18:27+00:00

As a gay person of color, I have to say that even I'm tired of woke entertainment. The emphasis is too much on pushing people into the spotlight because of what they are, and not because anyone has come up with well-produced, engaging stories to tell about them. And far too much of it falls into the "watch my show because you should enjoy it just because I'm so persecuted and I'm under-represented in media and life is so much harder for me than for most people, but also fuck you for daring to think you can sympathize with me because you're the problem and you can't possibly understand my suffering, but still watch my show and call it brave and inspiring and genius" milieu, which is, quite disappointingly, a thing.

Sex Education on Netflix is insulting. The female characters are toxic, constantly putting down the straight, male characters, which is somehow supposed to be endearing. Even when they blatantly show their toxicity, they blame their own behavior on the mythical "Patriarchy."

Gillian Anderson's character is disgusting. She invades her son's privacy incessantly yet guards all information about herself like her life depends on it, and instead of calling her on this hypocrisy, it blames male characters and makes them look bad to divert focus and just forgets all the horrible stuff she does. How about when she actually starts a serious romantic relationship and goes out of her way to hide it and lie about it to her son, who lives in the same house and sees her every day? No, no, nevermind that, back to what the men are doing wrong. She even tries to publish a book about her son's deepest secrets, then says she was writing it to get closer to him. Then why did she try to have it published!?!? What did that have to do with getting closer to him? Really, it was just so she could prove what power she had over his private information, but the show completely forgets about that and lets her off the hook. When her gathering of the students' secrets through her confidential counseling sessions with them leads to all the kids' private stuff becoming public, it also gets blamed on a man. No, no, pay no attention to the fact that she collected it at all in the first place so she could write a book about it. Quick, look what that bad man is doing!

And the Maeve character is ridiculous. The show continually tells you how super, incredibly smart she is. Why she's practically the greatest genius of all time! Well, it's a good thing they constantly tell you that because you would have no idea from anything she ever says or does. Her choices are endlessly stupid, but, no, really, she's just so underappreciated. And, also, she's totally oppressed by the "Patriarchy." That's why none of her behavior makes sense.

I don't even want to get into the "struggle" of the nonbinary characters. Gay men in real life have been violently attacked and even murdered for being gay. But the nonbinary people in this show are oh-so tragically persecuted because they're politely asked to adhere to the dress code of the school they chose to attend and because they're shown a sex education video that doesn't include them, though exactly what that means is unclear since they still have the same reproductive organs as the other students.

And that show is just one example. I can't stand Disney's Marvel shows. The superhero shows on the CW got real old real fast. They've become about representation and whining and not quality entertainment. I want good TV, regardless of the color or gender or sexuality of the characters. The new Queer as Folk is overly pluralist garbage with selfish, irresponsible characters who want recognition just because they're not heteronormative. But what do they do that's actually worth recognizing? And, really, as if real people's groups of friends are so incredibly diverse, making sure to include as many types of people as possible.

All I really watch now is old Doctor Who. Not the current Doctor Who. I'm talking from the '70s and '80s. At this point, I need totally un-self-conscious entertainment.

Strong-Menu-1852 · 2022-07-17T10:48:00+00:00

You are wrong, this isn't social darwinism. It's the social elite pushing brainwashing on people. The fact that top gun did so well, and feminist commentary crap movies (marvel) don't is a perfect example of this

Pissonmycock40 · 2022-07-17T11:37:14+00:00

As someone who recently gave up on a nearly finished PhD in English after being railroaded by feminists, I feel your pain. And I say that as someone who has always considered himself a liberal independent.

Ziigii · 2022-07-17T12:17:57+00:00

I was in a same position. I just reallised sooner and got my life on track. You should look into starting on your own. Either considder making your own company or get speciallized in a craft so you can leave the current employer and work contract based as an independent party. As long as they pay your paycheck, they will discriminate towards you.

Vivid_Lab_8985 · 2022-07-17T17:16:00+00:00

Sometimes we look at the medieval ages, at the bizarre witch hunts and persecutions of thinkers and scientists, and just think how it's even possible to be that stupid. Today history is repeating, just in a different flavor. There's not much you can do but to be patient, till they suffer the consequences of what they're doing. You can't fix stupid.

JusJxrdn · 2022-07-18T11:28:52+00:00

This isn’t necessarily a support group in a sense but r/kotakuinaction is a sub that talks about wokeness in entertainment or media if that helps any

drphildobaggins · 2022-07-19T06:06:14+00:00

You are not alone and this is incredibly noticeable in the content.

I wonder why shows I liked or all the rubbish new IP killing ones have tanked in quality of writing and take a look at the IMDb… diversity hiring for the sake of it.

I don’t care what someone looks like or where they are from or anything else. I care if they can contribute to the show and if they can write.

The girl who got the coffee Season 1 of Picard is a main writer season 2. Female POC. Just one example of many. Lotr, wheel of time, halo, all the Disney shows and movies recently. etc etc. where you wonder how tf they got promoted or hired with no experience or skill. Just seems they find anyone NON-WHITE MALE to fill the slots.

I agree the industry needs diversity and has been exclusive white male dominated, but I am just sick of shit writing. Can they at least try and find people who are good at this.

Trev6ft5 · 2022-07-22T01:47:30+00:00

It mostly boils down to useless feminists are taking over companies. The best thing you can do is don't you their products and services, act like an devout Muslim and enjoy products and media that cater 100% to you. If the new TV and movies are making you depressed, don't watch it and don't fall for the Hollywood hype machine any old revisited series you love WILL have wokism injected into it.

For me I'm reading fiction more than anything else.

RoryTate · 2022-07-16T19:28:00+00:00

Nevermind that Top Gun - an arguably patriotic, male, testosterone, action movie has done billions of dollars in GLOBAL revenue for these same companies.

Top Gun: Maverick is telling a story that is not available to audiences right now, and therefore the movie is able to capitalize – with record-setting numbers – on that huge, unmet need in the marketplace. Considering how "Maverick" stands out among its contemporaries, isn't it strange how all these supposedly "diverse" shows are exactly the same? If you stop and consider the last few years, it's clear that this "diversity" push only gives us predictable and repetitive content (note: I feel it would be wrong to refer to such boring and lazy products as "art"). Well, the reason for this is that Tinseltown is applying "diversity" at the wrong level, by trying to fit the concept into individual stories. Simply put, companies could employ the same racial mix of acting talent if they filmed Black Panther (all-black) and Peter Jackson's LOTR (all-white) as separate films, but instead they are idiots and choose to make two movies that have identical racially-mixed casts to try and achieve the same end result. There's actually a term – level confusion – for this common type of mistake in mathematics and statistics, because of how easy it is to do when dealing with groups of objects. Our brains and language naturally don't deal with multiple levels of things, so we get confused and believe things that are impossible. And speaking of impossibilities: "diverse show" is actually an impossible construct for the type of diversity they want to achieve (mathematically speaking, there is no such thing as an average, or variation from a median/mean, when the sample size is "1"). I mean, if you could have a "diverse show" – a contradiction in terms, but let's say for argument that such an impossible object could actually exist in reality – then all you would need to do is clone and repeat that show, and you would successfully create a "diverse" industry. It's madness. If your presuppositions lead to the conclusion that all shows must be identical to each other in order to achieve "diversity", then you're doing something terribly wrong.

Unfortunately, I doubt this problem will be fixed anytime soon. People in Hollyweird lack the intelligence and long-term thinking required to apply diversity properly at the industry level, like they should be doing. And even if they could see their mistake, the problem is that they aren't strategically applying these quotas – and monitoring/measuring to find out when they are no longer needed – to combat actual attitudes of prejudice and injustice across the vast realm of arts and culture. No, they are doing it out of blind cowardice and a selfish, personal fear of being labeled an "istaphobe" of some kind. Just look at the recent way the GoT and Friends creators are bending over backwards to apologize for the ethnic "homogeneity" in those shows.

The dilemma is that apologizing and showing weakness like that only leads to more attacks and shakedowns of their business. Mature, strong leadership at the industry level would result in a much different response to any such attempts to slander these existing properties (and by proxy to try and stain the entertainment business as a whole). Imagine this statement instead from some overarching body or group: "The entertainment industry remains committed to telling a diverse range of individual stories, whether primarily white or black, male or female, straight or gay, and more, including mixed casts of those groups as well, whenever the particular narrative being represented means it is appropriate to do so. Telling good, genuine stories means confining the setting to a specific time, location, and group of people, and we know this will – in time – give us a wonderful, diverse range of individual shows that will be very different from each other. As an industry, we are dedicated to telling a story for everyone, whether that is based on identity, socioeconomic, politicial, religious, or other group traits. We support the individual stories told by Friends and Game of Thrones, in the same way we celebrate all the distinct and personal creations in our industry."

If these "adult pretenders" fail to stand up to the bullying, and don't fix their "diversity incentives" to stop discriminating against white males like yourself (though I hear that black males do get largely similar treatment...unfortunately, having a black female allows a company to check two "protected class" boxes on the budget refund calculator), then the industry will eventually die and be replaced (see the recent rise of Japanese anime/manga, South Korean TV dramas, independent content creations from YouTube, etc, Bollywood films, and more, as the beginning of this long-term trend).

Money_killer · 2022-07-16T23:58:51+00:00

Maybe start lying tick the trans or gay box and immigrant box aswell who cares U got to do what U got to do

flinxsl · 2022-07-16T20:44:10+00:00

I'm also in a male dominated field (engineering), but at least it's a hard science where you have to prove that you have the technical ability to succeed and it's more difficult to ride coat tails of subjectivity. But still a woman or minority (asian's are no longer minority in engineering) has a much better shot at an opportunity on a level playing field of technical skill, meaning that the playing field is not level.

I've thought about pretending to be gay or hispanic or something just to have a demographic edge, which sucks because in the ideal world who you are as a person wouldn't matter at all.

aerial_coitus · 2022-07-16T22:14:49+00:00

Am I wrong? Am I alone?

No, on both counts. I am a white male also. And I agree, it sucks. I have been fighting the same battle for awhile now, in family court. I am not sure there is a realistic way to deal with it. These are some fucked up times we are living through currently. I do what I can and otherwise just try and keep my head down.

Leading_Direction_84 · 2022-07-16T17:14:40+00:00

INcEl!!!!!

Outrageous_Tackle_49 · 2022-07-16T20:07:53+00:00

We're fighting a losing fight. I am stepping in to 18 this year and honestly I'm getting breakdown and depression from the way the future is looking

Stark556 · 2022-07-16T23:24:03+00:00

What do you do in entertainment exactly? I work in post production and I haven’t really felt this impact me yet.

WhyWouldTrumpDoThis · 2022-07-16T22:11:37+00:00

Listen calm down you conspiracy theorists.

This hot tub is pretty warm isn't it.

TruerDetective7 · 2022-07-16T16:45:28+00:00

According to This article women get 33 percent of speaking roles in the top grossing films since 2002.

If this is too much, what would be the acceptable number here? 25? 10?

regularcomments · 2022-07-16T23:34:59+00:00

This is why i prefer watch anime or movies from other countries.

If they say being so aware of diversity.Why don't stop being lazy and reading some subtitules?

SadPatient28 · 2022-07-16T17:23:15+00:00

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Sidewinder702 · 2022-07-16T21:14:51+00:00

Why don’t you look into working with non-western media companies. They might appreciate someone with your background, and they won’t be forcing an agenda on you.

Langland88 · 2022-07-16T21:41:50+00:00

I've noticed this. I'm actually kind of surprised that we haven't seen a "Gate" campaign against Hollywood yet. We already had Gamer Gate that addressed the BS narrative that Video Game journalism was pushing, which was the idea that video games and the people who play them are sexists and misogynists. We have Comics Gates that pretty much is everything you mentioned but in the American Comic Book industry pretty much. And now recently we have Anime Gate where fans are calling out the BS of English localizers and translators are wrongfully mistranslating Anime in their English adaptations to make the audio dialogue more Feminist, Woke, and SJW friendly when in fact the original script in Japanese was never any of that. I'm wondering if we'll see a "Movie Gate" scandal or if we just decided not to give Hollywood a Gate name for this scandal/campaign.

And if there is one thing I learned from the previous "Gates" is that audience, fans, and customers ultimately win when the companies that catered to said narratives, lose a crap ton of money.

Intelligent-Ideal153 · 2022-07-17T04:58:32+00:00

this isn't new nor is it confined to the entertainment industry. Its also been part of the military landscape for decades now.

I too have worked in the media industry and am well aware of the barely masked contempt held for WMCH (White Male Christian Heterosexuals).

BTW I am going to trademark that and put it on a t-shirt and hoodies, ball caps, etc...

Or maybe CCHM, That flows well too.

xtenbombx · 2022-07-17T13:00:25+00:00

Don't get too down OP. The pendulum has already started to swing back in the opposite direction. The good news is those hired on diversity points alone will be forced out of the market by their own lack of competence. It has already started to happen.

Pozos1996 · 2022-07-16T18:25:55+00:00

Feels like a Pendulum, we go from one extreme to the other.

RaiseTheHelm · 2022-07-17T12:13:15+00:00

when you've been privileged your whole life, equality feels like oppression! continue seething, white man!

-some fat feminist

Training-Celery3946 · 2022-07-16T23:11:12+00:00

Dude jc Im a black man and I've never been hired because Im a black man. I really dont know any who have honestly. Quite the opposite has happened I assume lmao. Im not trying to say that men aren't under attack cause we are but reading this post and the replies is kind of showing the "ugly side" of this subreddit. People of color are still at the bottom of almost all the charts in america, wealth, health, education and employment so I'm not to sure what your worried about?

boyatrest · 2022-07-16T17:21:34+00:00

I was going to give some quirky answer but did you say Top Gun? A digitally remastered action movie from the 90s which was up-ressed through a codec that probably took one afternoon on a decent gaming pc and repackaged because the only other movie in theaters was The Batman? People didn't go see top gun again because they wanted to they literally just wanted the nostalgia of sitting in a theater again and it was the only thing playing.

krowface · 2022-07-17T06:15:16+00:00

Hi! I am also an adult white male who works in the entertainment industry in a progressive liberal city.

There is no "woke agenda" there is a "money agenda."

If you can't make them money, you don't matter. If you want to matter, get better at what you do.

You can't blame women and minorities for taking your job if you're irreplaceable.

Do better.

Yamochao · 2022-07-17T06:00:13+00:00

As someone who has worked in the entertainment industry, I literally don't believe that you actually do. Feels fabricated to me for a number of reasons. Do you have any evidence that you actually have first hand experience in this industry?

AyWhatITIS · 2022-07-16T22:04:40+00:00

I'm pretty sure there's a peptide that permently darkens skin. It's called melanonan or something go check it out of r/peptides lol but seriously guess just a lot of white males will be small business owners or thus shit will have to stop. People aren't watching Netflix anymore, people didn't see lightyear because of the gay kiss or whatever. The consumer controls the market at the end of the day and (BIPOC preferred) is literally a violation of the civil rights act. It'll be okay. Like I say at the end of these posts, we need a pac or a special interest group just like the NRA or the ACLU

tembell · 2022-07-16T21:03:53+00:00

Sounds like you're shit at your job and just looking for excuses.

doncannon1 · 2022-07-16T23:38:46+00:00

Curious if a black man told this tale would any of you ever console him.

Christ this sub is shit.

Deckardisdead · 2022-07-16T20:01:23+00:00

You are correct. Nuff said.

skllyskullstyle · 2022-07-16T21:11:40+00:00

Quick question. Are you conservative or right leaning?

colonelcardiffi · 2022-07-17T11:55:35+00:00

Notice something similar about the antagonists of one of the most popular Netflix shows ever?

https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangerThings/comments/w0r56o/alright_yall_which_antagonists_do_we_hate_the_most/

HELLBENT42 · 2022-07-17T13:52:55+00:00

Just fake being gay. Dress in a queer way and tell everyone how free and liberated you feel being finally able to be yourself. That should fix it, it's Hollywood, they love over the top queery gay guys. When you're home, just be yourself, treat paillettes as your work attire.

Mind that I say this as a bi dude.

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