At what point does one become unchivalrous?

AquaChip · 2021-11-12T12:38:34+00:00

I don’t think it really matters. Most men aren’t chivalrous nowadays anyway so being unchivalrous isn’t really frowned upon in society anymore.

CimZim · 2021-11-12T12:37:26+00:00

Who cares whether an action is chivalrous or not?

Just live your life and try your best to not be a douche.

Hopefully help other people and animals too.

LeaveThisPlanet · 2021-11-12T13:23:28+00:00

Αs a woman, I don't want or need or like "chivalry". I want to pay my half of everything, I have my own 2 hands to open doors and do everything else too. I don't need men to treat me like a kindergarten toddler, who can't do anything. It's abhorrent.

If you want to buy a girl dinner once or twice, do that. If she wants to buy you dinner, she can do that too. If you feel like doing something nice for your date/partner which includes paying for it too, do that, regardless of gender.

I don't see why gender matters in this.

goatismycopilot · 2021-11-12T13:28:33+00:00

WTF? Atlas and I agree on next to nothing but this writing style is shit combined with genuinely and deliberately stupid questions. I don't know who your clients are that like this but they have more money that brains.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-11-12T14:19:12+00:00

I think good men are men who do kind acts of service, men who help other, who protect the weak, who stand against injustice and defend truth and moral virtue and fight, suffer and thrieve in their own stoic paths.

I don't think chivalry has anything to do with women beyond being respectful and considerated, but living under a moral code of conduct and sticking to the rules.

And let me tell you it's hard to be a good man, it's hard to play by the rules, and it's hard to not think always about you and learn to put others first when needed.

"Chivalry" is not for fucking, it's about raising strong, stoic, resilient good men to hold society together., to do what - is supposed- men do, to keep bad men in place and evil in check.

I mean, some pills think "chivalry" is masochism, but like Saint Thomas said:

"We shouldn't be honorable for the sake of a reward or for fear to punishment, but because it's our duty."

DarkSp3ctre · 2021-11-12T15:02:33+00:00

Chivalry is an obsolete battle code for a medieval warrior class toadies for up to the rich lords, and had to have that code enforced so they wouldn’t be complete brutes.

xQueen-Bx · 2021-11-12T12:57:04+00:00

how is it "common to admire this trait" in the West 60 years after feminism called it sexism and demanded men STOP doing all of it. like what countries or centuries are you all talking about

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-11-12T17:56:42+00:00

I'll be happy when chivalry is no longer a thing. Just the other day, I had an old guy nearly break his hip running to beat me to a door so he could open it for me. Then made a face when I ignored him.

old_wise_man_ · 2021-11-12T12:53:54+00:00

What is the point of being chivalrous? To bang a woman? Oh please the girl wont bang you because you holded the door for her. Im only chivalrous for elder people because of the way i was raised. Always respects the elders. The rest? They have hands, they can open up their own Doors .

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quabbicoo · 2021-11-12T14:28:13+00:00

I’ve never measured a man’s value by how chivalrous he is, or how to measure such a thing. Be a good person, do things out of the goodness of your heart, make choices that prioritize your safety and when you’re in a relationship, make sure both you and your partner are comfortable.

From your example - my husband doesn’t care who drives, but I get car sick in the passenger seat. So I usually drive and he browses his phone. I don’t think he’s less of a man for this, it benefits me and allows him to relax. Win/win.

Potato-Swing · 2021-11-12T14:35:48+00:00

"La seule chevalerie qui peut subsister pour un homme de notre siècle, réside dans l'enthousiasme qu'il met à apporter à la femme aimée les croissants du matin, directement au lit, alors qu'elle s'éveille des délices de la nuit passée."

...An approximative translation, due to the fact that I'm (obviously) not a native english speaker...

The only chivalry subsisting for a man of our century, lies in the enthousiasm he puts to bring morning croissants to a beloved woman, while she's waking from the night's delights.

Taipanshimshon · 2021-11-12T15:16:15+00:00

Chivalry was a code of conduct for noblemen in war. And to take the warriors and make them more civil when not at war.

SaBahRub · 2021-11-12T15:21:26+00:00

Chivalry is going beyond basic decency

starple111 · 2021-11-12T15:40:20+00:00

One of the most interesting things about the rules of chivalry I found was that the men were expected to treat all women with decency. It wasn’t don’t seduce and dump the daughters of your social class, but also don’t treat a scullery maid like that either.

When men come up with rationalizations to treat some women as expendable fuck holes, I’d say chivalry is out the window. Of course I’m talking about the knight version.

DerekMorganBAU · 2021-11-12T19:16:38+00:00

Chilvary is dead...

...and women killed it.

wheelsonmeal · 2021-11-12T21:20:25+00:00

The middle of modern western culture ceased being "honor" based after the enlightenment.

This kind of mediaeval way of arranging a society is still quite prevalent out side of the middle of western society. ie the extreme ends of western society like those in poverty, prison and the elite; will do anything to defend and display reputation. As will other "less developed" cultures.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2021-11-12T21:56:50+00:00

Meh.

Who cares. Just don't be a dick.

billsull_02842 · 2021-11-13T07:19:46+00:00

its unchivalrous to deny a woman equality without responsibility.

cuckspace · 2021-11-13T07:46:06+00:00

Women in the West are not attracted to chivalry. I’d say they are actively repulsed by most of it. Except paying for dates, the petty benefit of free meals somehow outweighs how patronizing it is.

HedgeRunner · 2021-11-13T18:31:51+00:00

After reading all this damn pill sub Reddits lol.

BadRevolutionary3034 · 2021-11-13T19:17:46+00:00

What is unchivalrous? How do we measure such a thing?

It is literally just telling her she looks nice, pulling out her chair, and letting petty things like who left the milk out go. It's not complicated.

CriticalEscapeBike · 2021-11-12T14:41:56+00:00

When one gets one's door shoved in one's face as the woman one opens it for says "I can open my own door, thank you very much!!!"

Right then.

Title	At what point does one become unchivalrous?
Author	CharlesElliotFiddler
Upvotes	1
Comments	60
Date	November 12, 2021 12:26 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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