Morality and Sexual Affairs

Lyraless · 2015-06-19T15:37:39+00:00

I will answer a few comments from the previous thread here.

If cheating on a partner is wrong, then knowingly aiding and abetting that behavior is also wrong.

It would be wrong if there were any trust or implicit contract between you and the cheated party. If this isn't the case any of your involvement in the affair isn't immoral.

/u/RareBlur

if you are taking advantage of someone. If you pressure them or lie.

I'm not talking about abuse here but about consensual sex between responsible adult. Obviously in the case you're describing the morality is in a grey/black area

JP_Whoregan · 2015-06-19T15:51:00+00:00

The only reasons not to sleep with married women should be pragmatic ones, i.e., you don't do it because the beta boy husband who thinks he's found his special snowflake unicorn might seek you out to kill you.

Other than that, I see no problem in sleeping with married women, for three primary reasons:

If a woman has made the decision to step out on her husband and cheat on him, she is going to do it. If not with you, then with the guy to the left or right of you. Women seeking sex outside of marriage are doing so because their husbands aren't getting the job done at home.
I, as the outside man, am not responsible for enforcing a marriage contract that I am not a signatory party to. It is not my responsibility to enforce the chastity and loyalty of another man's wife. He is not my brother, there is no such thing as a "bro code". It is not up to me to make sure some other guys wife behaves in a matter consistent with her marriage vows. They are her vows, not mine. Besides, women keep telling us that they have agency and are capable of taking responsibility for their actions...ya know, like adults. Well, married ladies, prove it by resisting the urge to hide the wedding ring to fuck Chad T-Cock in the bathroom at TGI Fridays.
Personally, I have absolutely zero respect for the western institution of marriage, colloquially referred to today as "Marriage 2.0". None. Why am I expected to uphold the veracity of another man's marriage when his wife isn't willing to do it herself? Besides, 55% of the time, a man's wife is gonna show him just how much respect she has for the institution of marriage, when she hauls him into family court to divorce him and take him to the cleaners on vaginamony and child extort.

If you want to remove married women from your pool of eligibles to make yourself feel noble, knock yourself out. Just know that shaming me into doing likewise is going to have exactly zero effect.

alexdelargeorange · 2015-06-19T15:34:27+00:00

It become morally wrong if you know them personally as you're breaking an implicite trust.

What if you know them personally but don't like them?

mr_one_liner · 2015-06-19T16:53:56+00:00

"If I don't do it, someone else will." How much ethical responsibility can you put on someone who knows that what he is doing is a certainty, whether he is the doer or not? It is the toughest and most non-intuitive of ethical decisions.

Another added twist is that people assign blame specific to gender. The cheater, whatever gender he or she is, has way more agency in this situation than is usually thought, and takes the majority of blame. So, the TRPer in this situation could be more of an opportunist than an enabler. In our situation, blaming the TRPer in a cheating situation is to remove agency from the woman. This would occur differently if the cheater was a man.

I don't normally chastise people who have sex with cheaters (of either sex), but I don't do it myself. It is a personal morality that I uphold. However, personal moralities do not always translate to general moral behavior.

max_peenor · 2015-06-19T15:30:53+00:00

My opinion is that /u/theultmatecad is asking to take a bullet to the face one day.

wuboo · 2015-06-19T15:36:43+00:00

You know, there is such thing as ethical non-monogamy. This does not fall under that umbrella.

Take some god damn responsibility for your actions.

buttlollipop · 2015-06-19T17:00:22+00:00

Both people are at at fault. It takes two to tango. And you do owe strangers basic decency (ie: you wouldn't just kick someone on the street, even though I'm sure you never made a vow not to. Heck, you probably wouldn't even cut someone in the Starbuck's line) and not sleeping with other people's spouses is part of this.

For a group of people always complaining about the "decline of Western society" and the "decline of the family" I have no idea why TRP is so hellbent on further destroying both of those things with adultery.

VerticalSmileyCyrus · 2015-06-19T20:24:05+00:00

Better to ask forgiveness than permission.

THeShinyHObbiest · 2015-06-19T20:43:20+00:00

Let me use an analogy.

Bob and Jim own a company. You know Bob, but you do not know Jim.

Bob and Jim's company owns a very expensive truck, which is key to the survival of the company. One day, Bob comes up to you and offers to give you it for free.

You know that Bob has every right to do this, as acting CEO of the company. But you also know that, without that truck, the company will go out of business and Jim will become homeless.

Personally, I would not take the truck. Even though I don't know Jim, I don't want to screw him over, so I don't take the truck.

If I had taken the truck, I would have gained something and not lost anything. But I would have caused another person to lose something, which is something I dislike doing.

Helping somebody cheat is not anywhere near as morally wrong as cheating, but it's still morally wrong.

donit · 2015-06-19T22:37:29+00:00

Can't have it both ways. If you're redpill, you believe the man is in charge of the relationship. So, you can't backpedal from that just because the woman is married and pretend that she did it. You're still the executive producer of the relationship and the one making it happen.

theultmatecad · 2015-06-20T03:16:03+00:00

I am OP.

Glad to generate a good debate.

I learned game from the men who fucked all my girlfriends and wives. I then found TRP and realized it was all my fault.

I could not be happier then I am today

BoomFapXCX · 2015-06-20T05:13:52+00:00

I posted on TRP on this topic today (for which I was banned). Here is my argument for the fallacy of an attempt to classify a system of living as amoral which operates within modern civilization:

https://m.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3af9cz/a_failure_in_understanding_or_please_ignore_my/

Note: I was an Aurelius scholar in university which is the reason for my interest and familiarity with his texts. I have a high degree of confidence as to my interpretation. For those who doubt, I highly recommend the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (link: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marcus-aurelius/) as an excellent digest of Aurelius.

BeautyinNothing · 2015-06-20T13:13:53+00:00

The moral argument: morality exists because morality

Reminds me of arguments for God

svaroz1c · 2015-06-19T16:11:24+00:00

If you have intimate relations with a woman you know is married, then you are committing an immoral act. You're not the one breaking the contract, but you're still the facilitator.

parduscat · 2015-06-19T19:15:03+00:00

You can't claim "women are incapable of loyalty and have no empathy" and then endorse a terper who's knowingly fucking a married woman who dismisses his part in helping the woman cheat. It helps contradict your message.

CursedLemon · 2015-06-19T15:30:28+00:00

Erm'kay. Well since people these days just can't handle analogies for some reason, I'll re-post my sentiment from the other thread in a different way.

Helping someone destroy the emotional security of another just so you can get laid is a repulsive thing to do.

cvcv1991 · 2015-06-19T16:12:34+00:00

/u/theultmatecad is a married man too. These RP men are so loyal and honorable WOW

modulok · 2015-06-19T15:38:20+00:00

For /u/Nazrath2112:

Cheating wife is a terrible person and 100% blame. Divorce her (pre-nup), maybe a hit a bottle of whiskey for night and get over it.

Guy who knowingly sleeps with married woman is a terrible person and 0% to blame. If anything, I'm more to blame than he is. But maybe break his nose because he made me feel shitty for a little bit. Realize I'm a better man than him and move on.

edit:grammar

Title	Morality and Sexual Affairs
Author	Lyraless
Upvotes	6
Comments	279
Date	June 19, 2015 3:23 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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