Sluts vs Players

Ultramegasaurus · 2015-09-05T05:56:14+00:00

The "sluts are treated so much worse than studs" premise is bullshit anyway. Yes, a slut is considered a dirty person by many people. But a stud is considered an evil person by many people ("OMG THAT PIG IS USING WOMEN") . And with the influx of hysteric rape/sexual assault laws, stud behavior can actually easily be criminalized now.

belletaco · 2015-09-04T23:09:52+00:00

Oh, this again? No problem with people not wanting to date girls who sleep around, problem with shaming girls for sleeping around. It's not that difficult.

buttlollipop · 2015-09-04T23:18:56+00:00

I haven't seen anyone, blue pill or otherwise, on this sub say that men should never consider sexual partner count. But if it's hypocritical for someone to say sexual partner count of a woman shouldn't matter, but to judge you for sleeping around, isn't it also just as hypocritical the other way around?

The thing is, I don't really care. The thing I care about (and barely) is when a guy has a set of standards for a woman that are so rigid they barely even exist in the real world: I'm 35 but she must be 18 or younger and she must be a virgin but also must be open to me wanting anal immediately, and she can't be saving it for marriage because I won't wait that long, but she can't be attracted to anyone other than me, she has to want to give up all dreams of a career for the sake of raising my kid but also sign a pre-nup that will make her completely destitute if I decide to leave her for someone younger when I'm 50 (because we all know 50 year olds can find 20 year olds on the whim! High SMV!)

And then the same guy is like "Dating is so hard for men, there are NO women out there who would date me." And it's like...if there are no women out there who match your absolutely insane idea of what a woman should be then yes, you're right.

Be as picky as you want, just don't complain about it and expect anyone to care. This same motto applies to the race trolls that are constantly posting about why 9/10 hot blondes won't date them. Either expand your standards or quit complaining, nobody is going to feel bad for you if you're just as picky as the girls you're trying to get with.

Polaritical · 2015-09-04T23:09:14+00:00

My father was mentally ill growing up. It's absolutely helped shape me into the person I am today. You can accept that person or not. But I don't share about my father to many people. Its personal. And I shouldn't be expected to share something I'm not comfortable with sharing. Why? So you can gawk at every incident thats ever happened in my entire life?

Just because something influences you does not mean your partner has the right to know about it. My past is my past. My partner is only entitled to my present and hopefully my future.

If I was a slut, I was a slut. Thats none of your business. If you suspect or don't like who I am because I was a slut, then leave me. But if you ask me how many sexual partners I've had, I dont owe you that answer. After all, if its really that important, shouldn't you already be able to tell?

If you dont like sluts, I shouldn't have to tell you the number of guys I've fucked for you to not like me. You sjould just innately not like me. If you need to know, then you dont dislike sluts. You're a fucktard who judges leople for arbitrary and not important things.

Youre right. I can't make you like me. But you have to judge me on ME. I am not defined by my sexual tally and if you need it to be able to form an opinion of me then its not really an opinion of me so much as a preconceived notion on the "type" of person who fucks X number of guys.

Polaritical · 2015-09-04T23:18:05+00:00

I don't think people are entitled to know the number of partners you've had. Not everyone feels that way I know. But I was sexually assaulted. Its very personal and not something I often share. Nobody is owed that information. Yet it shapes who I am today.

If you dislike sluts, then dislike sluts. But the thing is, you cant say you dislike sluts if you need to know how many people they've slept with. If its really part of their identity, you should just be able to tell. Otherwise you arent rejecting them because they're sluts. Youre rejecting them because you have a problem with an arbitrary number that didnt influence your opinion of them until you knew you werent "supposed" to like them.

I dislike players because they tend to not be very respectful of women. I don't ask how many partners they've had. It doesnt matter if its two or twenty or two hundred. Its about the vibe I get from you.

So yeah. You can dislike who ever you want for whatever reason you want. But don't pretend it has anything to do with them. Its just some abstract concept you have an issue with. And its something you're not entitled to know about someone.

exit_sandman · 2015-09-04T22:39:36+00:00

Sexual discrimination is allowed. You can't force someone to be attracted to you just because you think they should.

Absolutely

So what if you sloot it up in your 20s? Live with it and stop expecting--and forcing-- people to accept you for who you are.

Well, what do you mean by "accept you for who you are"? First you're just saying "I don't want to date sluts" but this veers more into slut-shaming territory which is where I take issue. Date whoever you want to date, I really couldn't give less of a shit. But the second you start judging other people's character based on their sexual history I'm going to call you out. I'm not interested in dating religious girls but I don't spend all day saying "God christian girls are the fucking worst, they're just riding that Jesus carousel and will force guys into LTRs with no sex until after marriage".

You know how I solve my problem of not wanting to date those kinds of girls? I don't date them!

indlife · 2015-09-06T20:17:25+00:00

I had an issue with girls who had a more experienced past than me. It has nothing to do with insecurity, it had to do with wanting to have had a similar background and having similar sexual experiences. Many had a lot of the experiences I desired growing up, and it would weigh heavily on my mind. It wasn't that I wouldn't date sluts, it was just that I would never consider them, at the time, LTR material. I was at the stage of wanting my first real LTR, yet I was halfway through college. It can be hard for a young man with no sexual past to relate to young women who have even just an average past relationship wise.

I just read an article the other day and the author wrote that you only get once chance to really be "free," and that usually is in your late teens and early 20s. Many people still want to settle down and get married. Being free and having fun might mean sleeping with another five or fifty additional people in this time of your life. The author, a young college woman, is right. So young men, go out and live the life you want. Don't let others, society, etc. dictate what you obtain relationship wise. Set goals to meet before marriage. What kind of sex do you want? Where do you want to experience sex before settling down (beach, woods during a camping trip, car, work, etc.)? Are there certain sex acts you want to experience before you enter into a life-long monogamous relationship (ie: threesome, group, sleep with two girls in the same day, have a ONS with someone you just met, have a vacation fling, have a FWB relationship, etc.)? If you want this, go for it. If you can't obtain some of these, there are always legal brothels in some parts of the world where you can obtain certain experiences.

I think the more "slutty" a guy is, the less likely his hangups about a woman's past.

Maoist-Pussy · 2015-09-08T07:24:35+00:00

I don't care how many penises a girl has had. The key point is to make sure she wasn't born with one.

HappilySingleWoman · 2015-09-04T23:11:50+00:00

Why are people in the blue pill making such a big fuss about men needing to ignore sexual partner count?

They do ? I haven't noticed that so much . Anyway , some people simply believe that partner count doesn't matter .

Men are attracted to what they are attracted to. Sexual discrimination is allowed.

Indeed . I have no problem with men having their preferences, but there are some men who don't care about partner count anyway . Hell , I have even met some men who see a high partner count as a good thing (because it means that the girl is more experienced).

Why do it to men? It's incredibly hypocritical

Jesus dude , just do whatever you want. Nobody is going to arrest you for not being with sluts.

WD40nDuctTape · 2015-09-04T23:48:56+00:00

I've had this conversation here before. No one cares if you don't want a slut. That's your prerogative.

I don't date short or fat dudes. But I don't go around saying short fat dudes are the scum of the fucking earth or subhuman pieces of shit. That's the difference.

Your free to have your preferences. And sluts are free to not give a damn about those preferences.

goatismycopilot · 2015-09-05T15:41:29+00:00

People should date who they want to date, I am a woman who does not like players. I do not have a problem with the idea that an individual does not want a partner with a high count. As I have said before the problem is that everybody has their own definition of what a high count is. For some guys more than one is too high, no problem if that is your preference it just narrow the pool quite a bit.

f3yleaf · 2015-09-04T23:06:56+00:00

"Being a slut is easy, Being a stud is hard"

There is no hypocrisy, just harsh bio-truth.

Yonderlander · 2015-09-05T20:38:25+00:00

The fuss is about being hypocritical. Red pillers, in general, want to sleep with lots of women. They also, generally, expect that when they feel like it, they will marry their 'unicorn.' This is all fine, their choice.

The offensive, hypocritical problem is that they judge the women who do the exact same thing. Women who have slept around, even a little, are judged as 'sluts' somehow ruined and unfit for LTR's. This is what is laughable to anyone with a sense of equality.

There also seems to be a lot of confusion about what a slut is. I've seen RPers declare a girl a slut for having had 3 partners. They also lack the empathy to understand that slut shaming affects any sexually active girl, not just actual 'sluts.'

No-one is telling you who to be attracted to in this scenario. You are right, its about hypocrisy- "Act as I say, not as I do."

ee4m · 2015-09-05T12:53:40+00:00

There is a distinction between a pragmatic decision and the insecurity driven shaming that a lot of red pillers go in for .

Its the difference between, "yeah you're cool but I think you're less suited to ltrs" , and calling people derogatory names and thinking they are shameful characters who should be ashamed .

RareBlur · 2015-09-08T14:23:47+00:00

The problem is the hyprocrosy of demanding your LTR be a virgin but at the same time sleeping around yourself.

It's a double standard. Why should the girl who didn't sleep around be stuck with your sleazy habit?

downunderit · 2015-09-04T23:44:30+00:00

Stop slut shaming and perhaps you will be left alone. No one cares about your personal opinions towards sluts they care when you try to make people feel bad for their choices.

PetticoatRuled · 2015-09-05T01:07:31+00:00

Why are people in the blue pill making such a big fuss about men needing to ignore sexual partner count?

??? Who's making a fuss, exactly?

If men are 'needing to ignore sexual partner count' then that means they don't care how many men a woman has slept with. Although I don't think this is what you meant?

So what if you sloot it up in your 20s? Live with it and stop expecting--and forcing-- people to accept you for who you are. No one owes you anything, especially commitment.

Okay? Is this red pill advice for men in trp? To stop expecting women to accept them after they sloot it up in their 20s?

Yet, you don't see us giving you women grief about not accepting us as horn-dogs who smashed and dashed on an insane amount of women.

I'm having a really hard time understanding your words.

Title	Sluts vs Players
Author	codeBonobo
Upvotes	4
Comments	102
Date	September 4, 2015 9:42 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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