What beliefs do you hold that differ from your "tribe"?

TW_CountryMusic · 2016-09-23T02:05:16+00:00

In general, I think men have higher sex drives than women and it's kind of ridiculous to claim otherwise.

I think there may be something biological that drives women to take on more nurturing roles/careers, and that's okay. (That's not to say, however, that ALL women would be happiest in such a role.)

I think gender separated from biological sex is a meaningless concept.

I think modern men are held to more strict and damaging gender roles than modern women.

ETA: I also disagree with "Being married doesn't entitle you to sex!" which I see on TBP sometimes. No, you shouldn't be allowed to rape your spouse or anything like that, but IMO part of monogamy is ensuring the sexual satisfaction of your partner.

lollygagyo · 2016-09-23T03:47:37+00:00

Sex work is okay (BP seems split on this sometimes, but RP definitely thinks it's not for the most part ime. They think it's okay in theory but when they encounter a sex worker they want to dump all over her & insist that she should have a bad life. Which suggests that they're not allowing sex work to flourish in practice. Gotta walk the walk rather than just talking the talk).
Men actually do have a hard time in terms of custody in a lot of places
Feminists did actually spruik a lot of bullshit
Feminism as it is practiced is v problematic at times and probably is, in some ways, creating resentment

Re: real life details. I think my whole life is just one big mess of atypical. I don't have a tribe -- dat outlier life :'( (not really too upset about this, but I get questioned re: whether I'm even real plenty often even tho I think it's p obvious that I am from depth of posting. It's pretty funny).

Bipolar + former sex worker + raised by mother who was hella crazy and violent at times are probably the key ''atypical'' details, tho.

RPSigmaStigma · 2016-09-23T11:39:16+00:00

Not a traditionalist. I mean, I believe traditional gender roles are rooted in biology, but I have no interest in living a traditional lifestyle or having a traditional relationship.
I think most women are generally decent people, but a lot of them have been mislead by the very same "blue pill" ideas about men, women, relationships, etc.
I think the whole "don't do it to get laid, do it for yourself!" mentality that's been so prevalent in TRP recently is bullshit. Men want to experience physical intimacy with women and there's nothing wrong with that. And besides, it's a great motivator.
I am "sex positive" in every way. I think prostitution should be legal, not because I feel bad for incels, but because women should have the right to be prostitutes, and trying to keep it illegal only makes it less safe for women who choose to be sex workers. I really do <3 sluts, my flair isn't meant to be ironic or sarcastic.
I think Trump is an empty-headed blowhard. (But I also don't support Hillary. I'm pretty solidly libertarian, I've been a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party since I was 16 (yes, before I could vote))

angels_fan · 2016-09-23T03:15:11+00:00

Most men should be classified as "the oldest teenager in the house", not the wives.

From my anecdotal experience, the wives are the ones picking up all the slack that the drunk captain lets slip as he plays xbox and drinks beer all night.

Go to mrp sometime and see just how pathetic the new guys are. If they aren't considered the oldest teenager, then I don't know what is.

raindient · 2016-09-23T02:33:17+00:00

Becoming what women want is important but should not be mistaken for self-improvement. Women's judgment is a better fit for Game of Thrones than our society.

disposableboyfriend · 2016-09-23T03:20:47+00:00

I do not believe in most of TRP conspiracy theories. No, there isn't a liberal socialist agenda to destroy the nuclear family. It's just people being stupid, acting out of greed, being too idealistic, and judging policies by their intentions, rather than practical outcomes.

shoup88 · 2016-09-23T05:54:15+00:00

I wouldn't use the term "entitled", but I do think men have every right to expect regular sex from their romantic partners, and that denying this without explanation is cruel.

I think verbal affirmative consent as a legal concept is silly and unenforceable (although I don't think I'm alone on this one)

I think TBP is neither funny nor satirical. I honestly don't get it.

I think most women are attracted to at least some level of defined muscle, and that men are more attracted to youth than women are.

TRP and red pill in general doesn't really bother me from a moral POV. That's not why I disagree with it.

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lettucescream · 2016-09-23T02:25:34+00:00

I understand the usage of "dread" in a dead bedroom (or really any failing) relationship. I can't remember who, but someone explained it really well as a series of slowly elevating steps rather than just banging other women because their wife didn't want to give a BJ that one time.

I also don't read BP as often because I think they are too quick to straight out attack some dudes who aren't even fully RP. I feel like if a guy is confused or frustrated people should be sympathetic to him and offer actual useful advice, not push him farther away with hate.

tallwheel · 2016-09-23T05:40:42+00:00

-Nofap is bullshit. People should just fap all they want and not worry about it. The negative feelings some people get from fapping is caused by feelings of either guilt or inadequacy from not having a sexual partner. Both are mental and can be conquered by changing one's mindset, not refraining from masturbation.

-Hillary isn't Satan-incarnate. (But yes, she would probably make a very mediocre if not poor president.) Trump mostly sucks too, though I admire the "non-PC" aspect of his approach.

-The Book of Pook is not very good. Read The Rational Male instead.

-MRA's aren't whiners, most RPers aren't misogynists, MGTOW aren't pathetic, and incels have legitimate problems. (Every branch of the manosphere seems to have issues with the others.)

GroovyEFS · 2016-09-23T08:44:18+00:00

Purple so here's some things that always seem to cause controversy on PPD:

The 80/20 rule is 100% bullshit, no basis in reality whatsoever and only exists to make the omegas at TRP feel better about themselves
TRP is more full of guys who just want a pity party than guys who want to actually improve themselves these days
Getting laid with new girls all the time (being a "player") is not as big of a deal for the majority of men as TRP makes out and an obsession with it suggests insecurity to me
Incels are pathetic and their situations are almost always their own doing, the only exceptions being those with legit physical deformities
MGTOW is actually something I support in theory, I just wish their forums focused on actually going your own way instead of whining about women
Marriage is largely pointless in 2016, legal benefits from it like medical decisions should be given to cohabiting couples

philomexa · 2016-09-23T16:11:26+00:00

Despite having a traditionalist attitude and mindset within my marriage (respect and deferment to my husband, 24/7 sexual availability, fully taking on a submissive and supportive stance), we have rather non-traditional roles. I earn the money and he takes care of the household + runs a side business; these roles suit our capabilities and talents.

With that said, I find it hard to identify or align myself with RPWives as I find they are more concerned with the performance of femininity rather than concrete advice and examples on how to be a better lover/wife/mother. Additionally a lot of the advice/content is from the assumed perspective of working man/part time or stay at home woman. I won't argue that those roles are more common, but given the current economic reality I feel like my situation (working woman, part time or stay at home man) is creeping into the mainstream. Women may be hypergamous, but maybe we're not all hypergamous for the same reason ($$$).

I fee like there is a growing amount of women who are ok with the role switch, and that it doesn't automatically spell doom and gloom for the couple. Traditional attitudes can still be maintained, and don't have to be bound to economics.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2016-09-23T01:52:11+00:00

Well, I don't want a completely equal relationship. I love being able to bring someone else's ambitions to life, and I'm content to follow their lead...

So long as they're actually taking me somewhere worth going.

But, I think the biggest problem with any pill, or any tribe, really, is their habit of turning every other tribe into a single identity, and then assuming the worst.

Or even demonizing them.

We live in the information age. There's no longer an excuse for turning the real world into such a dangerous game.

haikufun · 2016-09-23T02:04:37+00:00

I have an old friend who is rp. dun dun dun

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2016-09-23T02:08:15+00:00

I'm not a feminist so that can get me into trouble.

justtypingcuz · 2016-09-23T03:43:58+00:00

My thoughts on male sexuality seem to sometimes be not so widespread in the manosphere. I believe more men coming out as gay or bi is a good thing for men in general and men should never be discouraged from experimenting.

The less men there are restricting themselves to only women the less attention women get and the more they drop in value. It seems women realized this a long time ago and it is why they refuse to date bi men but will quickly bring up how women are all bi and don't need men when trying to bring up their own value.

This is something I think men in general are seriously behind on. Homophobia only hurts men and it benefits women.

KoennonTiger · 2016-09-23T12:44:12+00:00

I don't care about a girl's n count. I'm experienced enough that I can evaluate the why behind it and not base my decisions on it. I also don't care if a girl cheats on me. Hell most of the girls I've "dated" for the past three years can't cheat on me because I wouldn't commit to them. They can do whatever they want when they aren't with me. Now that one girl literally forced her way into commitment if she cheats it's all good it just means I get to go find some other girl.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T04:24:40+00:00

I don't feel women are evil or anything like that. I feel men and women have at their core, some sort of 'bad' nature. I just feel we live in a society that punishes men for their bad behavior (even their good behavior), and praises women for anything they do. This in turn let's younger women literally run amuck doing whatever the fuck they please.

This mainly applied to the USA and westernized nations. TBH I feel really bad for women in developing countries and women who are actually oppressed. Also, some of the people I respect the most are women, including my mum. But then again they're usually all over 50. But modern women...like the under 30 crowd? Yeah those cunts can fuck themselves.

teeay · 2016-09-23T05:52:11+00:00

More red than blue, or pink purple black...

Non-monogamous. Don't care even a tiny bit if my partners are fucking others. Zero desire to control anyone's sexuality. No jealousy. Politically and economically kinda leftie, but with some hard right ideas mixed in, I'm told by the hippie set. Socially totally liberal. You're an adult? Do what you dig, don't be a dick, don't hurt others, consequences are yours. Pro normality and legal rights for LGBTQ... folks, gay marriage etc. Duh. Support legal prostitution, legalizing soft drugs. Rational atheist. Anti-marriage - more a difference to the MRP guys, I guess, but I think it's just a historical concept that isn't useful anymore. I like genuinely strong and capable women who have their shit together, don't need partners to be girly girls. In bed is one thing, I'm the D in a D/s relationship but with a woman who's in control of her life outside of the bedroom. Weak and helpless is a literal turn off.

But the RP model of relationships and sex is pretty solid otherwise.

[deleted] · 2016-09-23T14:36:37+00:00

Women are not the "oldest teenagers in the house". That comes from women being governed more by emotions and responding more to their emotions. Women who are actually grownups are fully functioning adults in every way. They are able to think and act rationally, and are and should be fully responsible for every choice they make. Women should be required to accept all consequences, good and bad, for their choices.

The whole "women are the oldest teenager in the house" and "women are overgrown children" bullshit too easily allows women excuses and justifications for their poor decisions. Fuck that. Women, you made a bad decision? You OWN IT, every last bit of it.

"Anger phase". Don't agree with this either. Men have every right to be angry about what's been done to them. Men have every right to be angry about having been lied to, poorly socialized, abused, rejected and mistreated. Men can feel any way they want to about anything they want to. It is not "wrong" or "bad" for a man to feel something, and to write about it on the internet. (If people years ago had actually done their jobs and taken care of these men when they were boys, this might not be a problem. But that's another story.)

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KV-n · 2016-09-23T19:00:00+00:00

Rp here. I think confidence stems from external experiences nd validation

sunkindonut149 · 2016-09-23T19:01:14+00:00

I'm not sex positive. I think fapping has negative health effects that we don't know about yet.

prodigy2throw · 2016-09-23T19:25:32+00:00

Marriage. you're damned if you do. Damned if you don't. There's no winning scenario in a long enough timeline.

sunkindonut149 · 2016-09-23T20:42:19+00:00

I do not believe that "toxic masculinity" or "sexism" caused the rise of the alt right, but that it's a classic low IQ populist backlash to the results of policies like NAFTA, adjustable rate mortgages, and the military industrial complex which has led to the prison industrial complex.

I believe that masculine of center people tend to be psychologically satisfied with different things than feminine of center people. This may or may not have a biological basis, but nitpicking at the final rather than proximate causes of mass masc dissatisfaction is pointless imo.

I think that we need to get US military bases out of developed, non warring countries and use the money to put guys to work digging ditches, filling them up, and digging more ditches. This will cause less resentment and ISIS. Less ISIS means fewer refugees. Fewer refugees, combined with fewer unemployed people who scapegoat immigrants, will lead to fewer racial problems.

wombatinaburrow · 2016-09-24T09:44:05+00:00

I find TERFs revolting, and rich, white girl feminism gives me the shits.

Transmigratory · 2016-09-23T04:22:18+00:00

My Brexit views.

despisedlove2 · 2016-09-24T03:15:23+00:00

My tribe is myself. I don't often disagree with myself.

Title	What beliefs do you hold that differ from your "tribe"?
Author	nomnomponytail
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Date	September 23, 2016 1:39 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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