Why does TBP have a problem with RPW?

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2015-06-29T23:29:06+00:00

see nothing but disgust for any woman who is into the lady like, feminine, submissive lifestyle.

I read all the comments. I don't see any of that. Can you point them out?

tomatostew · 2015-06-29T23:39:39+00:00

I'm a feminist so I think anyone should have the freedom to live exactly as they see fit. The only problem I might have with some RPW is that they put down women that don't choose to live like they do.

Life motto: You do you, but don't be an ass about it

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2015-06-29T23:03:54+00:00

They don't "hate" them, they just criticize some of the comments. That's not hate . TRPilers criticize women all the time but they claim to not "hate" them, so why would you assume TBPillers "hate" anyone?

alush · 2015-06-29T23:01:52+00:00

it's the disdain with which they view people who don't subscribe to their lifestyle. that post in particular boils down to "look at me and how not like these sluts I am."

GynaTynglez · 2015-06-29T23:39:22+00:00

I am very feminine and was raised traditionally. I am blue pill because I find RPW to be frankly unfeminine and judgemental. They are certainly not full of love and sweetness, as far as I can see. A lot of them I feel sorry for, but I can't help making fun of the mean natured ones. My mother would remind them to "stay sweet."

wont_tell_i_refuse · 2015-06-30T00:46:39+00:00

So, why all the hate towards RPW?

No hate.

...disgust for any woman who is into the lady like, feminine, submissive lifestyle.

RPW is a choice for women who want to lead the captain/first mate lifestyle. And they're not submissive towards all men, just their own man. I've seen wingnut and other RPW take red pill men to task. And it made me smile. They're feisty and dominant when they want to be.

Seriously, if a woman chooses to embrace her femininity and reject feminism, why should anyone take issue with that?

Femininity is an outdated concept of what women are supposed to be, but never really were. They were forced into certain roles. The flood of women into colleges and the workforce as soon as they were able to proves that they wanted education and to earn an income all along.

Many female feminists wear dresses and live quiet lives with their husbands and children, even as stay-at-home mothers.

Many RPW work.

You can't put labels on what female feminists do and what RPW do and say "this is feminine" and "this is not".

Kirsten Dunst could be considered a RPW.

Or ... not "'I was talking about my mother - obviously I’m a feminist,' she tells the magazine. 'It’s ridiculous that anyone would think other of me.'"

Maybe these women don't want to ~~be sluts~~ sleep with who they choose anymore as they've chosen just one man and actually believe in the idea of family still (like most women)?

lol. You have women who used to sleep around (some with men and women) who are now RPW. RPW is a choice for women who want to lead the captain/first mate lifestyle.

And because these women actually care about men's issues and work to please their men, TBP thinks they're internalized misogynists?

Feminists do the same. In a relationship a female feminist wants to make her man happy. She also cares deeply about men's issues. I'm talking in general, about the majority of female feminists.

A RPW seems like a nice woman to me.

I'd say they're a wide mix, like any community.

I've seen a lot of disgust by RPWs at men who don't measure up. I've seen them call children born out of wedlock 'bastards' (when they know full well that red pill men are advocating not to marry women and that some young red pill women are devastated their boyfriends are refusing to marry them because of red pill ideals.) I've seen them call other women sluts and whores - there is never a good reason to do that.

MissPearl · 2015-06-30T12:46:47+00:00

Honestly having done my RPW experiment, my main critique is that it doesn't have any consistency. For example all the talk of "lady like" is all very well and good, but actually trying it had several prominent members leap in and tell me how it wasn't about what you did, it was about your faithful belief in your Captain.

So it basically boils down to the uninspiringly banal advice to love and trust your partner, with a whole bunch of stuff that is clearly not relavent because it can be jettisoned without further consideration.

Furthermore... If you bother reading RPW for any length of time you will find former sex workers, short haired bisexual poly women- the same shit as in my supposed blue life of sin is supposed to be a hotbed of. All that ladylike/demure is by their own admission, optional.

They are also immensely sexually tame in what they publicly endorse- their business for sure, but in stark opposition that proof a woman reeeeeeally wants you is the kinky shit comes out, something TRP occasionally states as truth. That shades into a second critique-

It's really bland and not very inspiring or special. Most of the "achievements" they tout are basic adult skills- for example simple American cooking. Or basic physical activity. Even trying to learn a second language and otherwise playing make believe finishing school lacks inspiration- I mean I endorse language fluency but Je parle français aussi, parce que je suis canadienne. They are not, despite their beliefs, an island of traditional feminity.

Now that's their business- the snark comes primarily from the mutual judgement. But they aren't really exciting on the gender role front- not only do they not have a monopoly on it (if I wanted to get my girly on, Pinterest is better) but are officially only invested in it if Captain likes it.

C0UNTdrama · 2015-06-29T23:27:53+00:00

My only criticism with RPW is why do they think that their kink is the optimal way to have fulfilling relationships with the opposite sex? Your kink is your kink, no need to be catty.

[deleted] · 2015-06-30T04:42:53+00:00

Some people still do not understand that feminism is about choice. You can be a feminist and be either blue or red pill. It's mostly the second wave type who are radical feminist who are complaining about women being SAHMs etc. Also some RPW put down people perceived to be slutty.

andrewisgood · 2015-06-30T01:04:43+00:00

I guess what I'm not a fan of here is the idea of a woman embraces her femininity by being submissive. I also hate the idea that they don't want to be sluts. So, are they better people if they don't have sex with the amount of people you deem acceptable?

People can do what they want. They can be submissive. They don't have to have sex with whoever they don't want to. I'm fine with that. You're post though here drips of misogyny and that's mostly what I have a problem with. Define what a man should be, or what a woman should be? What do you mean by "should". Why should they follow what you think is acceptable? How do you know this is how people "should" act? Why should men be the captain?

SpaceWhiskey · 2015-06-30T01:59:32+00:00

I don't hate RPW. I also don't read the sub. Honestly, I rarely even read TBP much anymore, but when I do I'll occasionally see a link to RPW and 99% of the time it's something that makes me flat out sad. Not in a judgey disgusted way, just plain old sad. Obviously the non-sad stuff doesn't get posted to TBP and I realize that so I don't believe that the sad posts are representative of the sub as a whole, but some of the stuff I've seen...

I remember a post by a woman who was being guilted by her husband into having sex that was painful for her. I've actually seen multiple posts like that. There's also a lot of internalized misogyny, and I bothers me to see women think poorly of themselves just for being women. I've seen things like "I know I'm not as smart as my husband..." or "I know it's not my place to object [to something that is legitimately bothering her]" and it just... I dunno. Makes me sad.

As a feminist, I have 100% zero problems with a woman who want to be feminine in the traditional sense and assume a submissive role. So long as that's what she wants.

edit: Also, a TBP member created /r/GetFeminine as an alternative to RPW, so I don't think it's fair to say they have anything against feminine women.

rulenumber303 · 2015-06-30T02:32:47+00:00

And she's so used up that the best she could score for even a one night stand is this awkward little rat eyed man.

What a ladylike and feminine thought to share with the world, and worded so pretty too. I mean seriously how could other women fail to do anything but bow down before this superlative example of kindness, decency, charitableness and general all round feminine virtuosity.

jkonrad · 2015-06-30T14:56:22+00:00

Why do you care so much about TBP? By TRP's own holy screeds a combination of "alpha" and "beta" is the optimal mix. At least if your aspirations go beyond simply getting laid.

strongalfalfa · 2015-06-30T16:25:10+00:00

Honestly I think they're good people and I think there are a lot of good things about the community. I wanted to a be a member but like my first comment, in which I said I wanted to work and have a job, got me banned. So I can't support them fully.

My problem with them is their hypocrisy. They say that they don't want to be a safe space for women, and then they ban men. They say that you shouldn't sleep around, but I've heard through the grapevine that some of the regulars there have slutty pasts.

I just want them to realize they can give healthy advice without being hypocritical.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-06-29T23:43:17+00:00

The racism bothers me. It's gross, offensive and obnoxious.

thereddespair · 2015-06-30T05:42:18+00:00

i believe there are a lot of women on tbp and they simply do not live like that. and haters gonna hate everything that is not like em right?

i think the existence of trpw is a threat to modern women. as it is the idealized version of em. thought of to have been extinct, now that its here...

seriously? if i would go with a woman, and it takes a lot to make me consider that option, id opt for a trpw if i want something solid relationship wise.

everyone hates trpws it seems also not just tbp. i used to talk about the same things as them, and every woman i ran into for some reason hated me and thought i was attacking them????? when i was just saying things like its a good idea to be like this.. whatever.

despisedlove2 · 2015-06-30T04:01:01+00:00

Cognitive dissonance.

GridReXX · 2015-06-30T11:27:14+00:00

Straw man

Title	Why does TBP have a problem with RPW?
Author	AmericanHistoryAFBB
Upvotes	9
Comments	233
Date	June 29, 2015 10:53 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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